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Title: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 12, 2008, 11:23:23 pm
again thanks to the TTD folks for this info:

So how do I store all this stuff?
If you're experiencing lossless trading for the first time, you're probably perplexed as to how to store your archives. Since converting to mp3 and lossy formats is against the rules and burning to audio CD devalues your recording with most traders, what's the best way to back everything up? There are many opinions on this, but the only rule is to make sure you keep original lossless files that are not compressed to lossy formats or burnt to audio CD for future trading. Many people use data CDRs and increasingly data DVDR discs for backing up shows. Others are using portable hard drives for this purpose, while still others employ combinations of these methods to ensure backups are always kept. Poke around on the boards and ask other how the categorize, backup, and organize their collections. Just remember that it is important to keep them in lossless audio formats only.
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 13, 2008, 11:42:10 am
Why does burning to audio CD devalue the recording?

I just record all the shows I want to keep to disc, you know, so I can actually listen to them somewhere that my computer isn't hooked up to?

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it , audio geeks!  ;)
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 13, 2008, 11:45:45 am
lol
i just copied and pasted from the TTD faq section, to get started. this is not in its final form, but as said, gotta start somewhere,...
i burn to dvd-dl for archiving purposes and convert to mp3 for ipod listening pleasure.
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 14, 2008, 12:06:37 pm
Yeah, it's just hassle converting to MP3 though, especially as you have to manually type in all the filenames and stuff.

I just burn all my shows to CD so I can listen to them in the car, with some of my all time favourites converted to MP3 for the ipod. But usually only soundboard ones.
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 14, 2008, 01:13:09 pm
i can't be bothered to type filenames.
as long as they are numbered correctly (i.e. 01 and not 1, otherwise you get the following:
1
10
11
12
...
19
2
20
...)
all i do is make a copy on double layer dvd, convert a copy to variable bitrate mp3 for my ipod and keep the original file on my HD.
archive it, with number and burn status.
also, i doublecheck for a checksum file (for which i use either Traders little helper or HSKV)
and create one if necesarry.
et voila, storage is ready :-P
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 14, 2008, 02:13:15 pm
OK, maybe filenames aren't necessary (although I am quite anal about stuff like that), but you would still need to tag all the files with the name of the show.
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 14, 2008, 02:36:55 pm
in itunes i simply multi tag the whole show, so i only need to enter once: mark knopfler/2008/2008.05.05 something/Rock/gapless.
and again, i am anal about the filenames in the original files too, not in my personal ipod files.
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 14, 2008, 02:48:12 pm
OK! I didn't know you could "muti tag" in iTunes, so this has been a useful thread!

Now how do you actually do it?  :)
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 14, 2008, 03:06:08 pm
select all songs of a show, right click and choose "Get Info"
there you fill in whatever you like to fill in, and then it is valid for all songs selected. always remember to set "gapless: Yes" otherwise you got these stupid 2sec silence inbetween songs.
i believe you can also set that as a default.
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Ian Lewis on August 14, 2008, 03:11:53 pm
External hard drives are really cheap these days, great way to back up your stuff
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 14, 2008, 03:54:25 pm
still i backup on dvd-dl additionally, and i already got about 7,5TB in harddrives (of which 2TB are to be rpelaced and at the supplier right now)
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Ian Lewis on August 14, 2008, 05:15:56 pm
WOW that's a lot of storage!!!  I don't think all mine combined even reaches 1Tb!!
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 14, 2008, 10:55:26 pm
gotta start somewhere ian  ;D
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: IrisRose on August 15, 2008, 04:30:45 am
I keep all my files on hard drive, backed up to yet another hard drive.  I also keep the cds and dvds in an extensive system organized by tour, cd, dvd, promo, guest sessions--you get the idea.   I can grab any disc I want to listen to outside or in the car.  And the flac files and video_ts files are there for trading.   
I don't trust any single system, so I keep three.     I don't convert to mp3, since I can take my player outside and blast it.  I live in the country, so all I bother are the cows.   
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: superval99 on August 15, 2008, 08:49:08 am
I do much the same as you, Marie, mine are all stored on an external HD and backed up on another external HD, which is stored in a VERY safe place, in case of fire, theft, etc! They are also on CD/DVD and kept in order of tour/year, close at hand!   :)
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on August 15, 2008, 09:27:06 pm
My god. You lot have just made me feel VERY un -organised ??? :-[ :-\ :-\
Mine are all together, some on disc, some on my hard drive, but none are backed up. :-[
I did have them in date order at one time, but they seem to find themselves out of order.
I've seriously got to sort myself out.
I presume that the best thing to do would be to transfer ALL of my discs back on to say an external hard drive.?
I seem to use the same old excuse that i don't have the time, but i know it's a cop out.
My collection, though nowhere near as big as most, is still pretty big, and extrmely important to me. If anything happened to anything, i'd be devestated.
Hey, Marie, Val or Pottel. Fancy coming to stay with me for a week, and getting my collection in order.?
I'll pay. ;) :-*

Cheers   BBB
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: IrisRose on August 16, 2008, 02:46:38 am
Sounds fantastic!  Another party? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Fieneke2 on August 16, 2008, 02:27:42 pm
I didn't downloaded so much yet, I think I have about 24 GB in my share section in the MKhub, but I also don't have much time to watch! Lucky many people shared CD's/DVD's with me in the past and of course I copied those for others too and helped seeding! Now with the new KTCG show, I download the show of Waldo, a few audio ones and  I am waiting for DVD's / CD's with the best performances, songs etc..........I mean the list Rygman and Pottel are working on and would love to download that one and share/copy for others who can't download! ;)

I have some CD's with "flac" things I can't play on my DVD or the CD in the car, so I keep them for the computer. I also read about lossless and lossy etc but don't know what it all means!!  Sometimes I feel like a dummy when I hear you all talking about these technical things!  ;D Whenever there is time in future, I hope Maarten or somebody else can explain these things to me in Dutch and give instructions on MSN!  ;)

Well there is one good thing I do and that is making copies every month of ALL the information I have at my computer. Besides those copies, I also make now and then extra copies and keep them at the office in case there will be fire or something else at my house!

Now my son is ready with his study, I hope in future to be able to buy a new computer with enough space and extra drives and especial a quick one! I have an very old computer ........uuuhhh want to laugh? It is an AMD Athlon 800!  :o Although we have a very fast internet connection, it is always very slow with down- uploading! In the computer are 2 very old HD with space of 10 GB each and I bought after I talked with Pottel almost 2 years ago an extra drive of 250 GB!............ Well I am patient and we will see what happens in future!

Ooohhh btw Nigel, I would love to meet you and your family again and you know what? You don't have to pay for my help!  ;D

Fieneke
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: am012513 on August 17, 2008, 08:10:49 am
Are here some people that uses bleu ray already?
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 17, 2008, 08:35:48 am
No, I guess I'll get round to it when prices come down, but to be honest I think optical media will become largely obsolete over the next ten years or so.

Also, we will be driving rocket cars. You just wait and see!
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Ian Lewis on August 17, 2008, 11:38:02 am
No, I guess I'll get round to it when prices come down, but to be honest I think optical media will become largely obsolete over the next ten years or so.

Also, we will be driving rocket cars. You just wait and see!

Yeah I think the future for SSD (solid state discs) looks brighter in terms of storage compared to Blu-Ray.  But SSD is just way too expensive at the moment, especially when 1Tb hard drives are now so affordable.
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 17, 2008, 11:50:53 am
1TB now goes for 99
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: peterromer on August 22, 2008, 02:09:02 pm
As an IT guy I prefer external harddrives for storage versus the CDR/DVD.

Positive side:
* more space
* faster to copy to/from
* can easily be re-used for other purposes
* some products can do much more than just storage.

Negative side:
*more expensive

My latest storage purchase, 6 months ago was a Synology DS 107+   external kabinet with a seperate disk (as always a Seagate Barracuda) which simply blew me away....
And as a very experienced IT person for 14 years, I must be honest that I am not that easy to say "Woohooo"  to whatever product that comes along. But this one is a 9/10 product. It is very, very good.
Besides storage it also privides you with Download server, ftp server, printserver, photo station, Ipod, LAN/Internet etc etc.

I had only one regret after these months of using and enabling many of the features, and that is that I should have bought
its bigger brother DS207+ which can handle 2 disks and RAID....  ;D
 
Reviews:
http://techgage.com/article/synology_ds107e_single-drive_nas/

http://reviews.cnet.com/external-hard-drives/synology-disk-station-ds/4505-3190_7-32987447.html

http://www.testseek.co.uk/computers/harddrives/nas/Synology_Disk_Station_DS107-p-FE904E60-E773-76C5-A953-D2AD12676FA8.html

Cheers peter



   
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 22, 2008, 08:12:44 pm
i store on dvd just as an extra backup. all is on HD.
got 1 2TB Western Dig.
2 500GB WEstern D
1 1TB same co.
1 300GB Seagate
1 250GB lacie
1 1TB Bufallo
and 2 1TB Western Digital which are now back at their homeplace to be replaced.
but today i got my new HP Pavillion HDX9480, 20 inch, blue ray drive, 640GB HD (5400rpm) 2,4GHz etc....aaaahhh a new baby to play with. my first contact with Vista........should i be scared??
 
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: peterromer on August 22, 2008, 09:54:14 pm
he he
Well there are as many opinions about WinXP / Vista as there are people using them. I can only say that personally I stick with my WinXP - patched with SP3. From a technical point of view this is one hell of a stable OS that Microsoft made here.

Vista - hhmm.... if you like it, keep it. But from what I have heard, seen, touced, - Vista is not very sensitive, but quite sensitive still. If you have the correct drivers and software for Vista you should be fine. People who dont, should clearly stick with WinXP.
The IT team that I am in, we support and help IT managers on a global scale on our hotels, and none of them are allowed to use Vista (company standards)....  but besides that there is some relevans in Vistas weaknesses regarding patches and stuff..
compability with other systems... is still a issue.

Again, if you like it, its fine. But not ten wild horses will let me slip WinXP for Vista ;-)
Maybe the new OS that Microsoft comes with next year, is a done deal, when that new version is patched with SP1.
As a general rule, never change a OS if not a SP1 s ready for that system.
No matter if your a corporate user or private....   no reason that a private person should attend all the "bug-finding" / "trouble shooting"..
thats my 10 cents  ;)
Cheers Peter



 
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Ian Lewis on August 23, 2008, 09:39:32 am
Would it be dangerous if I mention Mac OS X?  :P

Actually I'm at the moment posting on Windows XP, but give me a Mac any day!!
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Hoops McCann on August 23, 2008, 07:55:17 pm
As an IT guy I prefer external harddrives for storage versus the CDR/DVD.   

Personally, the way I see it, hard drives are ticking time bombs. I just don't feel safe leaving important information on a mechanical device that can be subject to drive failure, malware infections, software errors, electrical shock, or physical damage. Instead, I prefer to burn all essential data to high quality TYG01 or MXLRG01 DVD-R media using my external LiteOn DVD burner. That burner creates discs with exceptionally low error rates, and I've never had a coaster. If the data is that important to me, I could just create an md5 checksum before and after and make sure they match up. The only drawback is that you can't fit nearly as much on a hard drive, but media is cheap!
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 23, 2008, 08:09:36 pm
i got a blueray burner now, they can theoretically fit 50GB, and they are also working on 16 layer versions that can handle 500GB on one disc.
but, also discs go crazy after some years.
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: am012513 on August 23, 2008, 08:31:32 pm
I bought today an external harddrive from 1 TB , my first.
All my collection is on dvd's but from some dvd's are the data gone , I lost Rockpalast and a few others...
I'm going to put my dvd's on the new harddisk now , but the disk is not big enough for everything . . . ;D
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Hoops McCann on August 23, 2008, 08:50:53 pm
All my collection is on dvd's but from some dvd's are the data gone , I lost Rockpalast and a few others...

Cheap discs will do that.  ;)

This is a must read:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: am012513 on August 23, 2008, 10:29:46 pm
Mine are TDK , tought it was pretty good?
Thanks for the info anyway , good info there ! !
 ;)
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 24, 2008, 12:37:32 am
that'S because we are the coolest forum around (english speaking, lol)
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Hoops McCann on August 24, 2008, 05:07:16 am
Mine are TDK , tought it was pretty good?
Thanks for the info anyway , good info there ! !
 ;)

Actually, I had problems burning to TDK media on my old burner. This is going back about 3 years though
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: am012513 on August 24, 2008, 08:22:44 am
So whats the best way to save my DVD's om my harddisk?
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 24, 2008, 01:03:23 pm
i use taio Yuden double layers. happy with them.
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: peterromer on August 25, 2008, 01:21:10 pm
So whats the best way to save my DVD's om my harddisk?

Hi,
If I was going to save DVD on harddrives I would make some .iso files.
You make those with NERO.
An ISO is a "mirror" of the DVD. Packaged in one single file.

(ISO files can also be mounted as "virtual drives" with for example Deamon Tool.
- that way you can have 4 .iso files / DVD
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: am012513 on August 25, 2008, 01:30:41 pm
Thanks for the info Peter !
Henk
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: rudiger on August 25, 2008, 02:25:17 pm
someone said: the right question is not: "what can I do if my HD will break?" but "what can I do when my HD will break?" The thought that all my "treasures" are stored in a unique 3,5" HD....And so, let's go with hundreds of DVD+R (Verbatim or TDK), each one in double copy (3 copies for the pro-shot DVDs  ;D) I know too that cd and dvd maybe are not eternal, but.....unfortunately I'm not too  :P
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 25, 2008, 02:37:28 pm
no need for normal dvd's
use Blue ray (soon) or Double layer, as i do now. saves you 50% of the space
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: rudiger on August 25, 2008, 02:48:07 pm
too much expensive. and then I prefer to split than to concentrate. I need more space but the risk of a "catastrophe" is minor
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 25, 2008, 02:56:50 pm
what is too expensive? pls explain your last post, am intrigued
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: rudiger on August 25, 2008, 03:10:30 pm
what is too expensive? pls explain your last post, am intrigued

1 DVD Dual Layer 8,5 GB Verbatim: 1,5 euro
1 DVD+R Verbatim 4,7 GB = 25 cents. with 1,5 euro I'll have about 25 GB

about the "catastrophe"  ;D, I have a son 4 years old. he likes very much the shiny of the DVDs. I prefer he plays (destroy) with a DVD with 6-7 concerts (in flac format) than with a Blue-Ray with 50 gb of dates  ;D
Title: Re: Storage of my collection
Post by: Pottel on August 25, 2008, 05:05:02 pm
true, but double the work, and space.