A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Brunno Nunes- (Universo Dire Straits) on September 01, 2016, 06:44:32 PM
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I bring a note of repudiation with level of discourtesy David Knopfler me yesterday on his Facebook page, I was impressed!
he had posted a record, a presentation that DS did at Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, USA, July 20, 1980 in a Jackson Browne concert, made a comment that I had seen in a biography of 1984 DK had already left the band at the time, and if this is true only DK could confirm. I quoted that his departure was made official 25 Julio 80, five days after this concert, as the link> http://www.neck-and-neck.homepage.t-online.de/library/diary/diary03/diary03.html
Then he gave he gave a lesson of unkindness, I gave impression:
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I know this will divide opinions, I know that suddenly I may have been inconvenient for him, or even to others, but I was never my intention, I never imagined something like that, did not want to provoke him, as I said in a my comments, but it proved to be unbalanced, rude, sarcastic and arrogant complete. It made me think something about the relationship between him and his older brother, and to this date, there is no musical partnership between them ... it's easy now to understand that the younger should not be an easy one, will be it contributes to a certain musical ostracism in his career? ...
However much it may have seemed impertinent or inconvenience my initial mention, justify the way he treated me?
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Countering the Lord stereotype of the United Kingdom, Of gentleman has nothing! :(
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You'll be surprised, but I'm on David's side. I'd say he even said it all in a calm way. And I love the "moon-cheese" thing he wrote :clap
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I'd say this answers from David is like a honest version of Guy Fletcher if you know what I mean :lol
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How embarrassing for him. He has surely shown himself up. :disbelief
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How embarrassing for him. He has surely shown himself up. :disbelief
Did you read questions the guy wrote? I believe that to get an "F-bomb" from somebody is a required skill, not everyone could do that.
You want to be "F-bombed"? Go to Buzz Aldrin and say to him he never was on the Moon. Or go to DK's page and ask strange questions.
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You'll be surprised, but I'm on David's side. I'd say he even said it all in a calm way. And I love the "moon-cheese" thing he wrote :clap
I wanted to make a caveat about what I shared with you guys about DK
I understand DK in a sense, but if I had going imperial way, wanting to impose something, I would give my hand to palmatória, it would be ridiculous of me to want to confront a living piece of history, I confess that I had to caution me express more appropriately, when I mentioned the book information, but even so, he let his demons upon me unnecessarily.
taking into account that:
1- It has very low artistic representation
2- All he has is due to lack of people at DS
3- All the work of his life was always compared to mk
4- 80% of people who talk to him only talk about the band
5 And this whole thing already has 30-plus years
6- He never liked that position people
Of course this does not corroborate for him to be rude, I know this should fill the patience, people who want details of the story. As he said, "I heard that the moon was cheese..."
He meant that scholars actually do not know anything, but that he could keep to himself
We also learn that the artist hates it when a fan wants to know more than him. What was NOT my case!
It's a pity he and some other people have interpreted this way! :(
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Nothing wrong with you sharing it, after all it was online in the social media, not in a personal talk.
These seven deadly sins you mentioned is exactly the reason of his attitude, but this can be attributed not only to him.
MK is also often can be pissed off with commentators and approaching guys, etc., I bet if Mark would be online in social media, "F-bombs" would be all over the place on his behalf, so that's why he doesn't care about the whole thing in the first place.
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I have also seen some uglyness from him, just read his comments to the people who disagree with him politically :o
I have to disagree with quizzaciously, I don't think Mark would behave this way in public. I think Mark has a lot more dignity than dropping those f-words everywhere, especially in writing where anyone can see it.
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He is an arsehole and his solo music is shit. He's been living off his brother's name and talent for nearly 40 years. HE can fuck off, not you.
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I think that is a sad behaviour from grown up man :-[ :-[ I have just looked at his profile on fb and he seemed to delete the ´rude´part of conversation....
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I have also seen some uglyness from him, just read his comments to the people who disagree with him politically :o
I have to disagree with quizzaciously, I don't think Mark would behave this way in public. I think Mark has a lot more dignity than dropping those f-words everywhere, especially in writing where anyone can see it.
Of course MK has dignity, in his situation he can chill and drink some wine comparing to his "less-successful siblings", excuse the term please.
This is a really strange game, where anybody could be offended. DK when asked about MK, MK when asked about DK, both when asked about old DS days. Yes, David receive 80% questions about Dire Straits, but so does MK. Do you really think he love being asked about Dire Straits, when he wrote 3 times more songs in his solo career, which lasts like 2 Dire Straits already? Just look at him in any TV interview.
My point, as a fan, is never approach my favourite musicians with an awkward questions. I'm not a journalist, it's not my expertise.
If you want to know something, ask it on AMIT, ask your friends, but never approach people with an awkward questions or you get an F-bomb.
As always, I'm not David's advocate or something, but you have to respect him. He may say "fuck off" (what a SIN! WOW!), but he do his thing, what he loves and wants and also without any millions of money and fans. In a some way, he's even "better than MK", don't kill me for that I just said.
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those kinds of discussions seem to "hit him" on FB all the time. seems to have a hard time to control himself, BUT, if you listen to the recording, Jackson CLEARLY says something like " welcome on stage David, pick, mark" or something similar. You can clearly hear him say "David"
so there can be no doubt about that.
that language though...
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I have also seen some uglyness from him, just read his comments to the people who disagree with him politically :o
I have to disagree with quizzaciously, I don't think Mark would behave this way in public. I think Mark has a lot more dignity than dropping those f-words everywhere, especially in writing where anyone can see it.
Of course MK has dignity, in his situation he can chill and drink some wine comparing to his "less-successful siblings", excuse the term please.
This is a really strange game, where anybody could be offended. DK when asked about MK, MK when asked about DK, both when asked about old DS days. Yes, David receive 80% questions about Dire Straits, but so does MK. Do you really think he love being asked about Dire Straits, when he wrote 3 times more songs in his solo career, which lasts like 2 Dire Straits already? Just look at him in any TV interview.
My point, as a fan, is never approach my favourite musicians with an awkward questions. I'm not a journalist, it's not my expertise.
If you want to know something, ask it on AMIT, ask your friends, but never approach people with an awkward questions or you get an F-bomb.
As always, I'm not David's advocate or something, but you have to respect him. He may say "fuck off" (what a SIN! WOW!), but he do his thing, what he loves and wants and also without any millions of money and fans. In a some way, he's even "better than MK", don't kill me for that I just said.
I don't think MK get so angry about DS as DK because MK was the motor and the reason why they succeeded but for DK is DS just a bad memory, he was never irreplacable while Mark was the whole DS so to say.
I also think MK knows that his solo carreer is good but will never come even close to DS, DS was pure perfection. I'm not sure why he never managed to make that success as a solo artist, but probably because he went down a different path than rock.
I understand that DK gets angry, but he should be mature enough now to just let it go. He can answer without that immature name calling. It seems to me that he carries around a lot of anger and that it doesn't take much to make him explode.
David would never be able to sell anything without his brother making him a name. So just mooching of his brother is not "better than MK" in my opinion. Maybe he should have found something else to do, that was his own, instead of always being "MK's brother". I can't imagine he likes that label
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He is an arsehole and his solo music is shit. He's been living off his brother's name and talent for nearly 40 years. HE can fuck off, not you.
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Never a truer word said. He really is an unpleasant man and without DS would be a nobody. His own music is unbearable dull.
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Jesus what a jerk..
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So much hate for a couple of deleted f-words? C'mon people, I wonder how many of you don't like DK only because MK doesn't like him. Phew.
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No, nothing to do with the F-bombs, I've always thought he was an arsehole. I emailed him circa 1997 and he was a twat then. And if his music wasn't shit he surely would have had more success.
I don't slavishly follow MK. For example, he doesn't like The Times newspaper but if somebody left it on a train I would read it.
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Having seen him in concert from the front row last year, I can only agree that his music is unbelievably dull and dreary, but worst of all his remarks, during that evening, about MK were disgraceful, bearing in mind he didn't know who was in the audience.
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C'mon people, I wonder how many of you don't like DK only because MK doesn't like him. Phew.
There is one flaw in your line of reasoning, Foma.
DK is just an unpleasant person on his own, regardless of our attitude to his sibling.
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I know Brunno a bit, we are both from Brazil and used to be in touch. He's a good man and a huge fan. I'm sure he meant well, he's obsessed with DS' early years and really looks up to David. However, his English can be misleading. That being said, if someone posts a video and claims that was there it's a little rude to belie them. We tend to go easy on Mark when talking about sausages, helmets and dentists but we don't give Dave the same treatment. Maybe he overreacted, maybe he didn't, but I can easily put myself in his shoes and figure him out in this specific episode.
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There are many people ready to shot their guns against anyone who is not MK and left DS, Mk band or was left out of any of his bands for whatever the reason, when they have a tiny chance to shot...
Is like anything Mk does or says is gold, and anything the others (like David, Alan, Phil or evento John...) is shit and deserves to be ridiculed...
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Having seen him in concert from the front row last year, I can only agree that his music is unbelievably dull and dreary, but worst of all his remarks, during that evening, about MK were disgraceful, bearing in mind he didn't know who was in the audience.
What did he say about MK?
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Lol this screen from The Everly Brothers documentary pretty much sums up the relationships of most brothers out there.
(https://pp.vk.me/c626428/v626428999/30fd7/OzOFOrpF_T4.jpg)
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I locked horns with DK during the Brexit campaign. He gets very vocal and brave behind his keyboard. I was sworn at and called all sorts just for arguing a different political view. Davids version of a heated debate quickly turns into something very distasteful with profanities thrown in for no real reason. He wouldn't have been that rude to my face as he would have got a good slap. I think there is a lot of anger that he still has a mortgage and lives in a very modest house worth about £600,000 whilst his brother lives in luxury. It's a bit like buying a lottery ticket and losing it. He threw in the towel with dire straits too early and probably regrets this if the truth be known. Lots of anger which is very sad, especially for a man of his age.
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Good post and a lot of truth in it. I wonder after thinking about MK never saying a bad word about David if it was not a good decision from him to throw his Brother out of the band. Maybe MK 's behaviour is related to David's bad manners.
LE
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I personally know some people who are GREAT people, they smart and all, but sometimes I saw them arguing about this shitty politics.
Man, even myself, I got in real trouble here on AMIT, calling people very bad words, F-bombing everybody. While talking about politics.
So, it's a very natural thing to make war on our brothers in arms while talking about politics, why David is so special then? Politics is ****.
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I personally know some people who are GREAT people, they smart and all, but sometimes I saw them arguing about this shitty politics.
Man, even myself, I got in real trouble here on AMIT, calling people very bad words, F-bombing everybody. While talking about politics.
So, it's a very natural thing to make war on our brothers in arms while talking about politics, why David is so special then? Politics is ****.
You know what they say about politics and religion - they should never be discussed.
I wonder what he thinks of Wee Nippy...
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I locked horns with DK during the Brexit campaign. He gets very vocal and brave behind his keyboard. I was sworn at and called all sorts just for arguing a different political view. Davids version of a heated debate quickly turns into something very distasteful with profanities thrown in for no real reason. He wouldn't have been that rude to my face as he would have got a good slap. I think there is a lot of anger that he still has a mortgage and lives in a very modest house worth about £400,000 whilst his brother lives in luxury. It's a bit like buying a lottery ticket and losing it. He threw in the towel with dire straits too early and probably regrets this if the truth be known. Lots of anger which is very sad, especially for a man of his age.
where did you get the house price from?
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I don't know guys. I say leave the brothers alone, they have enough mess to solve (or not) between themselves.
Was he being rude? To some extent, yes. But at the same time, I don't like this politically correct speech of nowadays. I like it when people express themselves without hiding behind carefully PR chosen words which mean nothing at the end.
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I locked horns with DK during the Brexit campaign. He gets very vocal and brave behind his keyboard. I was sworn at and called all sorts just for arguing a different political view. Davids version of a heated debate quickly turns into something very distasteful with profanities thrown in for no real reason. He wouldn't have been that rude to my face as he would have got a good slap. I think there is a lot of anger that he still has a mortgage and lives in a very modest house worth about £400,000 whilst his brother lives in luxury. It's a bit like buying a lottery ticket and losing it. He threw in the towel with dire straits too early and probably regrets this if the truth be known. Lots of anger which is very sad, especially for a man of his age.
where did you get the house price from?
Not sure how true it is but someone who lives near him told me he paid about £400-£450 K a few years ago. I've also heard he just sold it for about £600k, not much for a man who started one of the biggest bands in the world!!
Pretty sad really..you couldn't buy an ex council house in my town for that. Maybe this is where the anger/resentment comes from. John illsley isn't like this as he is a multi millionaire and seems content with his life.
I recognise these symptoms as my own brother doesn't talk to me which is sad. People tell me it's because he has had very little success and is jealous of (big brothers) my house and wealth.
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I locked horns with DK during the Brexit campaign. He gets very vocal and brave behind his keyboard. I was sworn at and called all sorts just for arguing a different political view. Davids version of a heated debate quickly turns into something very distasteful with profanities thrown in for no real reason. He wouldn't have been that rude to my face as he would have got a good slap. I think there is a lot of anger that he still has a mortgage and lives in a very modest house worth about £600,000 whilst his brother lives in luxury. It's a bit like buying a lottery ticket and losing it. He threw in the towel with dire straits too early and probably regrets this if the truth be known. Lots of anger which is very sad, especially for a man of his age.
In every group of people, there's always must be one leader. And all the other people have to do nothing but to be jealous at least for 1%.
Would you say the same about John Lennon? He certainly was a bit jealous about Paul McCartney's success, and they was almost brothers.
I mean, with a man like MK, everybody around him just get smaller. John Illsley, Guy, David, Jack Sonni, you know all the guys.
Of course David must be jealous! Any of you would do the same if stepped in his shoes. He doesn't deserve all the hate.
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I reckon if David made the first step to resolve issues with his brother that might dissipate a lot of the perceived hatred inside him.
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Oh yeah, this is of course what you would do, but not them. Well, John Illsley is perfectly fine, as well as Guy, as well as David.
I just don't know... at least they don't want to get anything from MK, playing his songs, etc. They write their own music and stuff.
My main question, what's so special about David? He's jealous a little bit and angry a little bit, and so what? I know this is a rhetorical questions...
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I think that is pretty obvious. Especially on social media he acted unrestrained and abusive to user or fb "friends", often in a most unpleasant way with a lot of swearing and unobjective in political or social matters. He showed more than once that he takes everything personal, even appropriate themes and is not able to lead a proper discussion without swearing and insult. All in all I would call his behaviour immature.
LE
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To me, it's really sad to be perfectly honest.