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Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Justme on October 09, 2016, 09:00:54 PM

Title: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Justme on October 09, 2016, 09:00:54 PM
So I had been watching that recent piece on David Gilmour where  in the end the family sits around a fire and DG plays guitar by that campfire.

Can you imagine MK doing this? Somehow, I can't, I'm afraid. That is sad to me. One just has to respect one's talent, so one has to play.
I sincerely hope that he will be returning to his initial passion, that red fender - you know, some say he even knows what the catalogue smells like.

And if the output will be a screaming Les Paul, that's fine to me, too.
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Love Expresso on October 09, 2016, 09:16:15 PM
Haven't seen the docu as I can't stand DG and don't find anything in him I'm afraid.

I don't know what it exactly is you are talking about?
MK has done a European/ US tour with 86 (?) dates.
He puts out albums on a regular basis still with new original material written all by himself. There is plenty of electric guitar on them. Plus there are documentaries like Life of Songs or Guitar Stories where he opens himself more than usual.

I have a slightly thin idea what you COULD mean, and the term " Guitar God"  has to do with it...
Kitty and the girls at the campfire?  ;)

LE
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Justme on October 09, 2016, 09:29:01 PM
Yeah, within the last two sentences, I think you got it. Sometimes I wish he would show off / re-develop his guitar skills....
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Justme on October 09, 2016, 09:32:42 PM
Please, don't get me wrong. I honestly do like his recent recordings, but I'm longing for a bit more of that tone and feeling, that struck me, when I first heard him play.
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Love Expresso on October 09, 2016, 10:59:49 PM
I made the discovery that it is the best thing to look  at what he has done and be happy with it. Let's face it he is at the end of his career. One or two more albums with maybe smaller tours... that'll it. No sparkling guitar bonfires anymore. He doesn't practise anymore obviously and the fast stuff gives him more and more trouble. I guess his hands suffer from "too many Sultans and too much Telegraph Roads" as he once said. Maybe more than one would imagine. More slide guitar and acoustic parts pay tribute to that.

Sad sounding maybe  but he has done his duty. More than enough.

LE
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on October 09, 2016, 11:15:35 PM
So I had been watching that recent piece on David Gilmour where  in the end the family sits around a fire and DG plays guitar by that campfire.

Can you imagine MK doing this? Somehow, I can't, I'm afraid. That is sad to me. One just has to respect one's talent, so one has to play.
I sincerely hope that he will be returning to his initial passion, that red fender - you know, some say he even knows what the catalogue smells like.

And if the output will be a screaming Les Paul, that's fine to me, too.

Amazingly this documentary was aired just yesterday on our Russian Channel 1, and it was fantastic! I love it.
And this is exactly my thoughts! If you haven't seen this documentary yet, go and see it, it's very good.

I started to love David GIlmour much more than I did before... His attitude on kids, parents, music, Roger... just incredible.
Can I imagine Mark doing it? No way! And if you remember, my topic about his (successful) sister was deleted from AMIT.

The thing with Mark is, you have to love him for who he is. But it would be much better if he... and here everybody have a list of 100 things.

P.S. And also you should respect which song David played by that campfire :clap
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Jarle on October 10, 2016, 01:34:26 PM
Luckily enough, Mark doesn't have to play fast guitar to make great music. In fact, he doesn't have to play the guitar at all. I think it is pointless for any of us to set an expire date on his creativity. Time will show. The guitar God stuff is all there in his past for those who are interested. Many fans haven't moved on yet, but Mark certainly has...
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: jbaent on October 10, 2016, 02:06:08 PM
It´s a great documentary, I watched it the next day it was broadcasted, thanks to our trusty friends of Yeeskhul!
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Crusty on October 10, 2016, 02:25:33 PM
https://vimeo.com/175165053

Very nice. Daffyd can to play exelens gitar! Exelent tone. I love his studio ship.
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: jbaent on October 10, 2016, 08:26:31 PM
Check your keyboard, it looks like broken or badly configured.
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: schmonka on October 11, 2016, 12:41:20 AM
I'm actually happy with MK's recent albums, Slide? Yeah there has been a lot of that recently but I like it and we all know how MK goes through phases....in the early 90's it was all Paul Franklin slide, he toured with DS and the NHB's, so expect this phase to be replaced with something else....in recent years acoustic guitar based songs have been making a big appearance too....

Where I do think things needs a pretty substantial shake up is during the live shows....the sets have sadly become all to predicable and formulaic recently.  We all know we got a few gems recently and there is some support here in the forum for MK set lists in recent years, but for me and this is purely a personal opinion I'm not sure I could stand another primarily "same same" tour next time....
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Crusty on October 11, 2016, 09:58:34 AM
Check your keyboard, it looks like broken or badly configured.

Have you make consider maybe I am dyslectric and my english languge like piece of sheet? But you make understand, so no problemo.
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on October 11, 2016, 10:11:23 AM
Where I do think things needs a pretty substantial shake up is during the live shows....the sets have sadly become all to predicable and formulaic recently.  We all know we got a few gems recently and there is some support here in the forum for MK set lists in recent years, but for me and this is purely a personal opinion I'm not sure I could stand another primarily "same same" tour next time....

I'm not sure if his musicians would stand it, I'm pretty sure I've seen couple of times how Glenn was playing Sultans while sleeping.
But MK needs to do it not only for a sake of music. I like how 71 years old Van Morrison honestly said in his recent interview:

Quote
Rolling Stone: You have a drive to do this – writing, recording, touring – your own way.

Van Morrison: It's not a drive. It's what I do. It's like Robbie Robertson said to me: "It's like breathing." I've been doing a lot of touring in the past several years because I need the money. I was running out of money, paying for a lot of stuff. I had to go out there again.

Last time I remember honesty of this magnitude is when I read an interview with Chuck Berry. And the most important thing, is that Van Morrison and Mark Knopfler have almost identical estimated net worth, except for Morrison not having fancy studios etc., so continue to pay your money down for same-same tours and everybody will be happy I guess.
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: jbaent on October 11, 2016, 11:49:26 AM
Check your keyboard, it looks like broken or badly configured.

Have you make consider maybe I am dyslectric and my english languge like piece of sheet? But you make understand, so no problemo.

Any PC, laptop, smartphone has options to check spelling automatically.
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Crusty on October 11, 2016, 11:53:26 AM
Check your keyboard, it looks like broken or badly configured.

Have you make consider maybe I am dyslectric and my english languge like piece of sheet? But you make understand, so no problemo.

Any PC, laptop, smartphone has options to check spelling automatically.

For me automatic spell make worse. Believe in me.
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Pottel on October 11, 2016, 11:50:52 PM
Check your keyboard, it looks like broken or badly configured.

Have you make consider maybe I am dyslectric and my english languge like piece of sheet? But you make understand, so no problemo.

Any PC, laptop, smartphone has options to check spelling automatically.

For me automatic spell make worse. Believe in me.
all cool. don't worry. we all got it.
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Pottel on October 11, 2016, 11:53:45 PM
that documentary had everything i had always hoped one day to see from mark.
also, DG's tours were far more exciting, especially this last one, great show, amazing lights, AND a guitar sound that is simply mindblowing. add to that the fucktastic songs of his back catalogue, as well as a (far better then on an island) great new solo album. the man is kind, gentle to fans.
not a bad word about DG pls. thank you.
@LE: even if you do not like the man, check the docu, and then wonder if you have not always wanted to see this from mark? am really interested in your unbiased opinion
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Love Expresso on October 12, 2016, 08:31:50 AM
Hey Pottel, thanks, I will! Will watch the docu when I find time (which is a little of a problem these days.) Will report back.

Unbiased: Regardless of what I said, every single time I hear the outro guitar solo of "Another Brick in The Wall" on the radio, which is played played regularly here in Germany, I really think that this (to me!) is definitely the most genious guitar solo of all time, and MK has not delivered such a solo. Well, not one that touches me this way. Pure Strat sound (EDITED: Les Paul Gold Top  ;D ), even the twiddly bits on the Sultans album versions cannot stand against this. The outro of Sultans until 1996 of course was from another planet, and Brothers in Arms sounds fabulous, but a "solo" in terms of a "part" - this one beats them all.

Have a nice day all!

LE
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: qjamesfloyd on October 12, 2016, 11:25:02 AM
Wasn't Another Brick In The Wall played with a Les Paul Gold Top?
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Love Expresso on October 12, 2016, 12:22:33 PM
I asked Wikipedia ad you are right of course. How could I possibly know? I never was too much into these things. To me, it sounds like a Strat actually. Thanks for the corrections.  :wave  :smack

LE
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 18, 2016, 04:19:51 PM
I absolutely love Get Lucky, Privateering and Tracker but I don't let it cloud my judgement on his playing. It's not about playing fast or slow, it's about passion. As a guitarrist I promise you all Mark no longer cares about the guitar ace thing. When he plays SoS or BiA it's like he's being forced into the solos and licks. He simply doesn't enjoy it anymore. The vibratos are there, the bends are there, the touch is there, the tones are there, but he lacks fluidity, passion... You don't see him go for those percussion like licks anymore for example. The solos are unconnected, abrupt, there are no dynamics, surprises, little treats. Don't get me wrong, I still love Mark's work as a whole, but his guitar playing as we once loved is far gone.
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: jeffreyvr on October 18, 2016, 05:05:45 PM
I absolutely love Get Lucky, Privateering and Tracker but I don't let it cloud my judgement on his playing. It's not about playing fast or slow, it's about passion. As a guitarrist I promise you all Mark no longer cares about the guitar ace thing. When he plays SoS or BiA it's like he's being forced into the solos and licks. He simply doesn't enjoy it anymore. The vibratos are there, the bends are there, the touch is there, the tones are there, but he lacks fluidity, passion... You don't see him go for those percussion like licks anymore for example. The solos are unconnected, abrupt, there are no dynamics, surprises, little treats. Don't get me wrong, I still love Mark's work as a whole, but his guitar playing as we once loved is far gone.

I think you're on the money here.

And I understand it to be honest, if you're touring and you play the same songs just about every day, it gets old. Especially after so many years. So I get why he sometimes does not feel like playing Sultans, Brothers - Romeo & Juliet - but when touring most people seem to expect and look forward to those songs to come along.
Title: Re: recent David Gilmour documentary
Post by: Eddie Fox on October 18, 2016, 05:34:26 PM
I absolutely love Get Lucky, Privateering and Tracker but I don't let it cloud my judgement on his playing. It's not about playing fast or slow, it's about passion. As a guitarrist I promise you all Mark no longer cares about the guitar ace thing. When he plays SoS or BiA it's like he's being forced into the solos and licks. He simply doesn't enjoy it anymore. The vibratos are there, the bends are there, the touch is there, the tones are there, but he lacks fluidity, passion... You don't see him go for those percussion like licks anymore for example. The solos are unconnected, abrupt, there are no dynamics, surprises, little treats. Don't get me wrong, I still love Mark's work as a whole, but his guitar playing as we once loved is far gone.

I think you're on the money here.

And I understand it to be honest, if you're touring and you play the same songs just about every day, it gets old. Especially after so many years. So I get why he sometimes does not feel like playing Sultans, Brothers - Romeo & Juliet - but when touring most people seem to expect and look forward to those songs to come along.

Most likely, but his playing is blend when he does his new stuff as well. I don't know if it's because he can't bother practicing or maybe his brain doesn't talk much with his hands these days, but the fact is his playing has been affected and it doesn't look like it's getting better any time soon.