A Mark In Time

Mark Knopfler Discussion => New Investigations => Topic started by: wespresso on October 29, 2016, 01:22:17 pm

Title: Playtime deluxe
Post by: wespresso on October 29, 2016, 01:22:17 pm
For those who haven't heard it. Here it is.
So what do you guys think of it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtq2xvA3RzE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on October 29, 2016, 01:30:08 pm
Definitely better than "regular" blues from Mark. Guitar playing is literally "holy smokes" though!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on October 29, 2016, 01:32:01 pm
Swing part is AMAZING. I'm a fan of this kind of music.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on October 29, 2016, 01:35:18 pm
Let's just hope the album version doesn't have flutes and whistles on it!   :lol
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: knopflerized on October 29, 2016, 01:41:56 pm
Discovering it while writing here! The swing part is very good yes !
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: ds1984 on October 29, 2016, 01:47:44 pm
Stunning performance.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: binone on October 29, 2016, 02:10:21 pm
YEAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

It rocks!!!!!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: border_reiver on October 29, 2016, 02:13:46 pm
The outro has more guitar in it than everything that has been played during the last 15 years or so  ;D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on October 29, 2016, 02:25:24 pm
The outro has more guitar in it than everything that has been played during the last 15 years or so  ;D

Yeah! This swing deluxe is mind = blown.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on October 29, 2016, 02:36:41 pm
So he DID play a new song...  ;)

Would be a great album title. Just imagine asking at Media Markt for Playtime Deluxe Deluxe Box Set..

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on October 29, 2016, 03:17:58 pm
I think it's nothing special. Boring. Nice guitar sound, surprise at the end with the change but very predictable. The same Meh!  as Hot Or What. I hate it when he sings/mumbles like this.

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: herlock on October 29, 2016, 03:49:38 pm
Not really my type, but the guitar is amazing, who said that MK didn't like to play guitar anymore ? ;)
A bit reminiscent of "Think I love you too much". With the same fate ? "It might be on the new album: it might not..." :)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: border_reiver on October 29, 2016, 04:24:29 pm
So he DID play a new song...  ;)

Would be a great album title. Just imagine asking at Media Markt for Playtime Deluxe Deluxe Box Set..

LE

Playtime Deluxe is the one with the outro featured on the expensive box set. Playtime Original (Radio edit) cut outro is on the normal CD. Playtime Supreme is one more verse but only available through Amazon Germany.

Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on October 29, 2016, 04:31:54 pm
 :lol

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: holaknopfler on October 29, 2016, 04:44:12 pm
I love it. Has a nice groove. Absolutely not comparable to Hot or What IMHO. The guitar work is great, fast smooth playing and not a false note. His playing is MUCH better than solo's I've heard on the Tracker Tour. Nice song.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on October 29, 2016, 04:52:33 pm
"... it will be a rumba, going into a shuffle, so it's a ruffle really"..

This is really nothing special. Could be a long forgotten obscure classic from any long NHB play list. Typical box set bonus song formerly    kown as a b-side. Hope it's no indicator for the new album.

I remember the magic when Redbud Tree turned up as radio edit. I could literally do nothing else than repeat it possibly 30, 40 times. I missed the train to work. I was touched by it's magic and beauty of the solo, the mysterious lyrics and it's sheer impact.
This one I have trouble to listen to it for a third time. So predictable. Nothing special, no MK touch.

But hey that's just me. It's cool from him to turn up with a new song that without any doubt fits in perfectly well to the occasion of the night.

LE

Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on October 29, 2016, 05:02:12 pm
The quality of Marijn's recording is far better than the YouTube clip, which didn't impress me too much, so, LE, if you haven't listened yet, please do so.   ;)    btw Thanks for the recording, Marijn.   ;)

This one is good too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85ATk9rbV-E

Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: crimmer on October 29, 2016, 05:03:46 pm
totally love it , and didn't expect that either wow!!,
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on October 29, 2016, 05:14:17 pm
The quality of Marijn's recording is far better than the YouTube clip, which didn't impress me too much, so, LE, if you haven't listened yet, please do so.   ;)    btw Thanks for the recording, Marijn.   ;)

This one is good too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85ATk9rbV-E

Thank you Val, your link indeed sounds much better.

I might mention that I am not disappointed or bad tempered or anything at all. Just don't like it but with a happy heart. I am totally in peace with MK and his work and no new song that turns up can damage that (I guess). He has done so much great things over the last decades that for me, he is untouchable and in some sort of "Encore Mode" of his career if you like. Holy smoke!

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Elin N on October 29, 2016, 05:31:03 pm
"... it will be a rumba, going into a shuffle, so it's a ruffle really"..

This is really nothing special. Could be a long forgotten obscure classic from any long NHB play list.
LE

I don't care if the song is Stongehenge old, the man still loves to play!  :D :D  I am not so fond of blues, but the first part is nice. For me this is a very nice surprise, specially after Donegan's gone and Sonny...
And how glad I am that Mark doesn't *yell* the lyrics like Van Morrison do.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: wespresso on October 29, 2016, 05:46:34 pm
The quality of Marijn's recording is far better than the YouTube clip, which didn't impress me too much, so, LE, if you haven't listened yet, please do so.   ;)    btw Thanks for the recording, Marijn.   ;)

This one is good too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85ATk9rbV-E
I took it from Marijn's recording. Maybe something went wrong. But well
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on October 29, 2016, 05:58:58 pm
LE released a good point, I also think that it's a perfect choice of a song for a blues festival.

So I can't be satisfied more under those conditions, and regarding Mark's guitar playing — holidays certainly wasn't bad for him! Very refreshing MK.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on October 29, 2016, 06:06:46 pm
The quality of Marijn's recording is far better than the YouTube clip, which didn't impress me too much, so, LE, if you haven't listened yet, please do so.   ;)    btw Thanks for the recording, Marijn.   ;)

This one is good too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85ATk9rbV-E
I took it from Marijn's recording. Maybe something went wrong. But well



Thank you, Wespresso!   It's probably just my old ears!    ;D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Jarle on October 29, 2016, 06:56:14 pm
Video:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNr2WnQuhMo
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Crusty on October 29, 2016, 07:04:10 pm
Strong energi from Mark Knobfler, but musik like a jam sessien blues in lokal town.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: wespresso on October 29, 2016, 07:53:16 pm
Video:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNr2WnQuhMo
Awesome thanks..is that his signature les paul Mark is playing? There is a sort of sticker on that pickguard..
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Tobben on October 29, 2016, 07:54:55 pm
Video:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNr2WnQuhMo
Awesome thanks..is that his signature les paul Mark is playing? There is a sort of sticker on that pickguard..

Yes it is :)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: ds1984 on October 29, 2016, 09:24:17 pm

But hey that's just me. It's cool from him to turn up with a new song that without any doubt fits in perfectly well to the occasion of the night.

LE

This is exactly that. Bill Wyman's King of Rythm are exactly the same, just playing classic Blues and R&B stuffs. Mark would have been out of its shoes if he went to perform something à la Haul Away.
And never heard Mark play blues that great  even when playing the golden sideman in EC's band. This is exactly what would give me wish to move my ass to attend Mark next time because that seriously swing!
 

Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: knopflerized on October 30, 2016, 08:58:31 am
Any one could past the lyrics please ? I am death!! ( oh No just frenchy...)


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Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on October 30, 2016, 09:15:54 am
It occurred to me that this song would fit in very nicely at a NHB concert, or on a new album....mmmm   :think
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Tobben on October 30, 2016, 09:21:28 am
Yeah - a new NHB album would be awesome!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on October 30, 2016, 09:31:10 am
This is why gotta love MK. Just when you think he tries to find any excuse to not play guitar, he comes up with something like this. Awesome guitar work, very powerful sound, hopes he fills a whole album with this kind of guitar stuff (not particular this genre).
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: ds1984 on October 30, 2016, 09:47:09 am
I would think about another projetct than NHB

Mark Knopfler and the Playtime Deluxe Blues Band Presents "A Blue Swing At Macbeth"

From rural country to electrifying Chicago, Mark Knopfler and his new line up features a full horn section and a great harmonicist.

A small North America club tour will take place before heading to larger sized venue later in UK & Europe.

Don't dare to miss it!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on October 30, 2016, 10:04:08 am
Lyrics should be in the Top3 of his most stupid ones of all times. At the moment, I can't imagine the places 2 and 3 though.

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: ds1984 on October 30, 2016, 10:12:35 am
Who cares about lyrics when it is about time to shake your booty and dance?   ;D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on October 30, 2016, 10:19:12 am
You will better not see THAT..  ;D

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on October 30, 2016, 11:42:23 am
Here's the best version yet of the song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ePM_6WEQ0
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on October 30, 2016, 12:34:14 pm
Who cares about lyrics when it is about time to shake your booty and dance?   ;D

+1M

Yeah baby!  Not that I can make any of them out anyway apart from "holy smokes."
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: ds1984 on October 30, 2016, 01:51:59 pm
Old socks?
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dustyvalentino on October 30, 2016, 02:56:10 pm
Lyrics should be in the Top3 of his most stupid ones of all times. At the moment, I can't imagine the places 2 and 3 though.

LE
"If you've got a truffling dog, you can go truffling."

Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Maxx on October 30, 2016, 05:30:37 pm
zero creativity, always the same guitar licks in a 'new' dress/song

But that's our Mark, isn't it?  ;)

But I wouldn't call it uncreative. Sometimes the song is called Les Boys, another day it's Money for Nothing, and on a dark autumn day it's Playtime Deluxe. I think this song captures all he's ever been doing. For sure he's had his run with grand guitar solos and lyrics that on a good day reminds of a Springsteen epic, and possibly (but rarely) some old forgotten Dylan thing. But to me, this is it. He has showed over the years that he can be good at telling (and retelling) stories, but he's no future Nobel prize winner.  This is all I love about Mark Knopfler.

Also, he should dress like this on tour.  ;D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on October 30, 2016, 10:03:49 pm




Also, he should dress like this on tour.  ;D
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He'd have to increase our ticket prices to cover his dry cleaning bill!

Also, isn't that the jacket he wore at the Monserrat thing back in 1997?
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Crusty on October 30, 2016, 10:06:09 pm
zero creativity, always the same guitar licks in a 'new' dress/song

O, cut some slacks. Soon Mak will to be 75 years age. He play width strong pession now. Not many technics or innavator, but many passion. I very like.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Stiglar on October 31, 2016, 02:37:21 am
very cool!

His guitar playing in general sounds so much stronger than the tour last year... great stuff!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Pottel on October 31, 2016, 07:10:39 am
So he DID play a new song...  ;)

Would be a great album title. Just imagine asking at Media Markt for Playtime Deluxe Deluxe Box Set..

LE
lol......or the special limited edition deluxe playtime deluxe box set...
great song!!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: border_reiver on October 31, 2016, 11:25:45 am
Don't hate on the blues standards. It's a treat whenever they pop up nowadays :)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on October 31, 2016, 11:52:13 am
Don't hate on the blues standards. It's a treat whenever they pop up nowadays :)

It's not blues anyway - it's a "ruffle!"
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Throttle on October 31, 2016, 11:58:34 am
Either I like the song or I just miss him badly, - haven't yet figured it out.  :think
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on October 31, 2016, 12:00:45 pm
Don't hate on the blues standards. It's a treat whenever they pop up nowadays :)

It's not blues anyway - it's a "ruffle!"

I like ruffles!    ;D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: ds1984 on October 31, 2016, 01:15:01 pm
Don't hate on the blues standards. It's a treat whenever they pop up nowadays :)

It's not blues anyway - it's a "ruffle!"

I like ruffles!    ;D

Whatever it is exactly, it's only rock n roll (but I like it)...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Crusty on October 31, 2016, 02:11:58 pm
It need more caubell. Or floot.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: border_reiver on October 31, 2016, 04:18:24 pm
Yeah whatever. Still happy that the Crimson phase is dead... *cough*  ;D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Brunno Nunes- (Universo Dire Straits) on October 31, 2016, 05:54:56 pm
The best version!  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI-3Vfzlvqo
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on October 31, 2016, 06:05:08 pm
The best version!  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI-3Vfzlvqo

Thanks!   Definitely the best....so far!   :)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: the visitor on October 31, 2016, 10:10:51 pm
Just goes to show he's a still guitarist over a vocalist first and foremost, no matter how hard he pushes the 'songwriter' tag
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: ds1984 on October 31, 2016, 10:25:22 pm
This is just a fun song.

The voice his not at its best but I don't care as the guitar playing is so en-joy-a-ble. How long since I had not listen to a new Mk song everyday? I can't remember.

I just need to have genuine fun again and that was what Mark delivered.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on October 31, 2016, 11:04:15 pm
Fair enough.

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on November 01, 2016, 07:40:47 am
Just goes to show he's a still guitarist over a vocalist first and foremost, no matter how hard he pushes the 'songwriter' tag

A vocalist and a songwriter are two different things - he's still a fabulous songwriter and guitarist.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Crusty on November 01, 2016, 10:06:29 am
zero creativity, always the same guitar licks in a 'new' dress/song

O, cut some slacks. Soon Mak will to be 75 years age. He play width strong pession now. Not many technics or innavator, but many passion. I very like.

75 ? not really, he is 67, younger than Gilmour

Not now. Soon. Now he hes passion. Not many tekniq, but passion. Strong play. So enjoy before 75.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Jarle on November 01, 2016, 11:20:33 am
zero creativity, always the same guitar licks in a 'new' dress/song

O, cut some slacks. Soon Mak will to be 75 years age. He play width strong pession now. Not many technics or innavator, but many passion. I very like.

75 ? not really, he is 67, younger than Gilmour

Not now. Soon. Now he hes passion. Not many tekniq, but passion. Strong play. So enjoy before 75.

What will happen at 75?
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on November 01, 2016, 11:48:03 am
Not now. Soon. Now he hes passion. Not many tekniq, but passion. Strong play. So enjoy before 75.

What will happen at 75?

Nobel Prize? :lol
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Crusty on November 01, 2016, 12:59:05 pm
(http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00204/t2-elderly-91978216_204179c.jpg)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Banjo99uk on November 01, 2016, 01:05:32 pm
f**k me, you might wanna add a couple of decades with that picture.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on November 01, 2016, 01:25:45 pm
I know a 98 year old gentleman who looks younger than that!   ;)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on November 02, 2016, 10:00:08 am
Here's my try with the lyrics:


Holy Smokes
You're looking like a million bucks
Holy Smokes
You're looking like a million bucks
Chasing after you baby
Looking for Playtime Deluxe


Holy Smokes,
Got me stuck on you
Holy Smokes
You got me stuck on you
Thousand miles away from me
How could I not be blue


Holy Smokes
With the trucks and the buses and the tracks
Yes I've been out on the road babe
Till then the buses and the trucks
When I get home
Got to be the Playtime Deluxe


Yeah 'cos you're a full time angel
I'm just a part-time saint
You're a full time angel baby
I'm a part-time saint
You might think I'm fooling,
baby I swear I ain't


Holy Smokes
You're like a million bucks
Ooh Holy Smokes
Like a million bucks
Thinking about you baby
Thinking about the Playtime Deluxe
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on November 02, 2016, 11:29:30 am
Brilliantly done Val!  I got about two lines!

I wonder what the song would sound like if he really put some effort into the vocal like he did in the early days...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Banjo99uk on November 02, 2016, 11:50:47 am
nice work Val, my only question is, is it part time singer or sinner? I was thinking sinner as it ties better with angel.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on November 02, 2016, 11:56:20 am
nice work Val, my only question is, is it part time singer or sinner? I was thinking sinner as it ties better with angel.

Yes, it could be sinner - never thought about that!   Should I change it?    :think    Yes!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 02, 2016, 12:53:15 pm
I love that Gibson playing so loud and powerfully. The song kinda recall to "Rope Stretching Blues" that he used to play with the NHB live, not my kind of thing anyway, but the guitar is so great...

I wonder if it reveals anything about the project whatever it is...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: the visitor on November 02, 2016, 02:44:29 pm
Yep you are right Val. I think though in the order of talent his guitar playing stands above his songwriting ability, both of which are supreme.

In later years I've taken issue though with books he has read forming the basis to a lot of his songs, feels detached from the observations made in songs like The Gallery, MFN or Iron Hand for instance.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2016, 03:10:18 pm
Thanks a lot, Superval, for doing the work for us! I guess it must have taken you more time to understand his mumble and grumble than it took him to write the song!  :P

In fact I was trying to translate it on Sunday evening, but I am not able to listen to this song more than once a week, so I decided to not do my duty to the community and hope for other people to translate this masterpiece which without no doubt will be awarded with Pulitzer or Nobel Prize the next couple of years!

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Crusty on November 02, 2016, 04:28:09 pm

Yeah 'cos you're a full time angel
I'm just a part-time siant
You're a full time angel baby
I'm a part-time saint
You might think I'm fooling
and I say I ain't



Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on November 02, 2016, 04:34:30 pm

Yeah 'cos you're a full time angel
I'm just a part-time siant
You're a full time angel baby
I'm a part-time saint
You might think I'm fooling
and I say I ain't

 :thumbsup



Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 02, 2016, 07:45:50 pm
You only can write Telegraph Road once in your life...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on November 02, 2016, 09:06:43 pm
You only can write Telegraph Road once in your life...

A couple of years after you've just written stuff like TOL and R&J!   ;D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2016, 09:45:10 pm
I think 5.15am or Basil are worth to be called Masterpieces. So he is still able to deliver. Although it gets thinner year after year.

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Rail King on November 03, 2016, 11:56:22 am
I love this.

Yes, it's traditional, but Mark always had songs like that (Eastbound Train wasn't anything new, either), ALONG with truly outstanding songwriting. Traditional music has informed his more inventive stuff, and vice versa he was alway able to add his magic touch to traditional songs, like he does here.

I disagree that there have been less "great" songs lately. Songs like Silver Eagle, Lights of Taormina, Red Bud Tree or Seattle are among his all-time best, including the Dire Straits period. I also disagree that he's less of a songwriter than a guitar player. Just try to think of a BETTER songwriter than he is. Can you? I can't.

This track is pure fun, and I don't even care whether it'll end up on an album (along with some masterpieces, I'm sure) or not. This version is so good, it'll do it for me anytime. Holy smoke, indeed!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 03, 2016, 11:58:31 am
I can think in many many many better songwriters than him, well, I might correct, some better, some equal, and lot of them different.

Let´s say, just for a start, Bob Dylan, Leonhard Cohen, Paul Simon... the list is endless.

Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on November 03, 2016, 12:08:46 pm
I can think in many many many better songwriters than him, well, I might correct, some better, some equal, and lot of them different.

Let´s say, just for a start, Bob Dylan, Leonhard Cohen, Paul Simon... the list is endless.

There are, indeed, many great songwriters and MK is up there with them, but it is MK's songwriting that gives me the greatest pleasure - his songs are playing every day in my house more than anyone else's.   Mark's songs changed my life - no other songwriter could do that.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 03, 2016, 12:16:32 pm
I can think in many many many better songwriters than him, well, I might correct, some better, some equal, and lot of them different.

Let´s say, just for a start, Bob Dylan, Leonhard Cohen, Paul Simon... the list is endless.

There are, indeed, many great songwriters and MK is up there with them, but it is MK's songwriting that gives me the greatest pleasure - his songs are playing every day in my house more than anyone else's.   Mark's songs changed my life - no other songwriter could do that.

That´s another completely different thing. MK has shown his songwritting abilities in many songs that will stay as some of the best songs of rock history, like TR, for instance, but saying he´s the best and there is no one better... that´s too far from reality.

You can say that, "for me, there is not better songwritter than MK", that is a truth that applies to you, but it´s not a general truth.

Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on November 03, 2016, 12:22:40 pm
I can think in many many many better songwriters than him, well, I might correct, some better, some equal, and lot of them different.

Let´s say, just for a start, Bob Dylan, Leonhard Cohen, Paul Simon... the list is endless.

There are, indeed, many great songwriters and MK is up there with them, but it is MK's songwriting that gives me the greatest pleasure - his songs are playing every day in my house more than anyone else's.   Mark's songs changed my life - no other songwriter could do that.

That´s another completely different thing. MK has shown his songwritting abilities in many songs that will stay as some of the best songs of rock history, like TR, for instance, but saying he´s the best and there is no one better... that´s too far from reality.

You can say that, "for me, there is not better songwritter than MK", that is a truth that applies to you, but it´s not a general truth.

I didn't say that there isn't a better songwriter than MK, just that his songwriting gives me more pleasure than many others.    :)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on November 03, 2016, 12:27:24 pm
Relevance seems to be the key word. And relevance to the world and to history, not only to fans.
What a Wonderful World will stay forever, Yesterday will, Smells Like Teen Spirit is relevant for a whole decade, too. In that department, I am afraid MK has not written one relevant song in his life. Sultans got references by very first critics that it had a "Dylanesque voice and a J.J. Cale sounding guitar".., Money For Nothing is famous for being played as first song on MTV Europe and because Sting sings on it. Ask a person from the street (no fan) to quote a couple of lines from a Mark Knopfler song. The answer will be "Mark who?".

Not that I care about that. Gives me the feeling more that he writes especially for me. I know that his writing is excellent and that he is a wordsmith and a man of words. But relevant in any form? No.

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on November 03, 2016, 12:29:40 pm
Apart from many other songwriters Mark usually have great lyrics AND great music under it. And this is truly amazing.
This is especially great for non-native speakers, because for the most part, for them it's just "words" over the music.

How Mark once said on Bob Dylan, "the music just tends to be a vehicle for that poetry". But not for MK.

UPD. With that being said, it's truly remarkable how over-the-world Mark's music is, just look at this forum.

And what about Paul Simon, Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen or Bruce Springsteen? Bob Dylan came to Russia in 2008 and it was a disaster. Nobody came to his concert, because nobody would understand a word. In other hand, Mark was there 3 times and played here very well.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 03, 2016, 01:23:50 pm
I can think in many many many better songwriters than him, well, I might correct, some better, some equal, and lot of them different.

Let´s say, just for a start, Bob Dylan, Leonhard Cohen, Paul Simon... the list is endless.

There are, indeed, many great songwriters and MK is up there with them, but it is MK's songwriting that gives me the greatest pleasure - his songs are playing every day in my house more than anyone else's.   Mark's songs changed my life - no other songwriter could do that.

That´s another completely different thing. MK has shown his songwritting abilities in many songs that will stay as some of the best songs of rock history, like TR, for instance, but saying he´s the best and there is no one better... that´s too far from reality.

You can say that, "for me, there is not better songwritter than MK", that is a truth that applies to you, but it´s not a general truth.

I didn't say that there isn't a better songwriter than MK, just that his songwriting gives me more pleasure than many others.    :)

I know, with "you" I wasn´t pointing at you, but a "general and impersonal you"

It's hard to express yourself in another language sometimes  ;)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Masiakasaurus on November 03, 2016, 01:28:24 pm
I think you all bring up good points so far. About the relevance thing, I think that some of his "bad love" songs could be considered timeless and relevant, at least for me. LoG is probably his best both musically and lyrically IMHO, and more recently I think that "A place where..." is an example of how he manages to write about stuff that's relatable to alot of people (think of how many divorced middle aged people there are).

The comparison of Mark with classic wordsmiths like Dylan, Cohen and Springsteen is also interesting. Mark is not considered a poet like those guys are, maybe rightly so. But none of those guys were a guitar hero who influenced generations of guitar players either. That's probably Marks big selling point, that he was one of the top players ever, and who could actually sing and write good lyrics. I can't think of any other player of that caliber who did the same at the top of my head. (Well, Rory Gallagher would qualify for me personally, but I'm thinking in terms of general opinion).
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 03, 2016, 01:33:11 pm
I think you all bring up good points so far. About the relevance thing, I think that some of his "bad love" songs could be considered timeless and relevant, at least for me. LoG is probably his best both musically and lyrically IMHO, and more recently I think that "A place where..." is an example of how he manages to write about stuff that's relatable to alot of people (think of how many divorced middle aged people there are).

The comparison of Mark with classic wordsmiths like Dylan, Cohen and Springsteen is also interesting. Mark is not considered a poet like those guys are, maybe rightly so. But none of those guys were a guitar hero who influenced generations of guitar players either. That's probably Marks big selling point, that he was one of the top players ever, and who could actually sing and write good lyrics. I can't think of any other player of that caliber who did the same at the top of my head. (Well, Rory Gallagher would qualify for me personally, but I'm thinking in terms of general opinion).

To me, the "MK Guitar Hero" comes more from him composing great guitar solos and melodies more than playing so good as he plays.

Anyone can play as good or even better than MK, but only MK can write a so beautiful guitar solo as the one at the end of Tunnel Of Love, or in "telegraph road"...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on November 03, 2016, 01:39:23 pm
MK is the complete musician.  He writes the music and the lyrics, plays the guitar and sings the songs and he is one of the very few guitarists who are instantly recognisable.   These things don't usually come from one person, but they do with MK.   Such wonderful songs too!   :)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on November 03, 2016, 01:40:48 pm
I can think in many many many better songwriters than him, well, I might correct, some better, some equal, and lot of them different.

Let´s say, just for a start, Bob Dylan, Leonhard Cohen, Paul Simon... the list is endless.

There are, indeed, many great songwriters and MK is up there with them, but it is MK's songwriting that gives me the greatest pleasure - his songs are playing every day in my house more than anyone else's.   Mark's songs changed my life - no other songwriter could do that.

That´s another completely different thing. MK has shown his songwritting abilities in many songs that will stay as some of the best songs of rock history, like TR, for instance, but saying he´s the best and there is no one better... that´s too far from reality.

You can say that, "for me, there is not better songwritter than MK", that is a truth that applies to you, but it´s not a general truth.

I didn't say that there isn't a better songwriter than MK, just that his songwriting gives me more pleasure than many others.    :)

I know, with "you" I wasn´t pointing at you, but a "general and impersonal you"

It's hard to express yourself in another language sometimes  ;)

Don't worry jbaent, I understood!    :)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: steinei on November 03, 2016, 03:06:49 pm
MK is the complete musician.  He writes the music and the lyrics, plays the guitar and sings the songs and he is one of the very few guitarists who are instantly recognisable.   These things don't usually come from one person, but they do with MK.   Such wonderful songs too!   :)

That's exactly it.
MK does it all.
He writes all the songs, and that pretty well. OK of course there is Bob Dylan or Van Morrison etc. There are a lot great, brilliant Songwriters
He writes the melodies, the most beautiful melodies on Earth. At least for me
He plays the Guitar. Sure there are more technical or faster guitarists. I like Joe Bonamassa or Ryan McGarvey as well
But no one has this feel or SOUND.
And he produces all this in his own Studio and reproduces it later on stage.

He is a hell of a Musician. He knows it all. He is the MAN.
Captain out...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 03, 2016, 04:33:56 pm
Yeah
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Rail King on November 03, 2016, 07:13:52 pm
I can think in many many many better songwriters than him, well, I might correct, some better, some equal, and lot of them different.

Let´s say, just for a start, Bob Dylan, Leonhard Cohen, Paul Simon... the list is endless.

I disagree mightily. These are great songwriters, no doubt, but better than Mark? No. Not musically, and not lyrically, either.

That said, of course calling someone "better" or "best" will always be a totally subjective statement. How do you measure that? Number of notes per minute? Number of rarely used words? Number of unusual chord changes? Even bringing "relevance" into play won't help. What's relevance? Number of records sold? Number of cover versions? Number of other artists quoting you as an influence? Number of tears shed while listening to your songs? Measuring that is impossible, and it won't get you anywhere. You can't "prove" greatness.

I think Mark's ability to combine compositional, technical and lyrical skills is unmatched - that's what makes him stand out, just as you described it, Superval99 - but if you value something else higher (energy, for instance, à la Springsteen, or originality, à la Dylan), then you'll prefer these artists, naturally.

Let's agree that they're all geniuses, shall we?   :D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on November 03, 2016, 07:45:51 pm
Relevance seems to be the key word. And relevance to the world and to history, not only to fans.
What a Wonderful World will stay forever, Yesterday will, Smells Like Teen Spirit is relevant for a whole decade, too. In that department, I am afraid MK has not written one relevant song in his life. Sultans got references by very first critics that it had a "Dylanesque voice and a J.J. Cale sounding guitar".., Money For Nothing is famous for being played as first song on MTV Europe and because Sting sings on it. Ask a person from the street (no fan) to quote a couple of lines from a Mark Knopfler song. The answer will be "Mark who?".

Not that I care about that. Gives me the feeling more that he writes especially for me. I know that his writing is excellent and that he is a wordsmith and a man of words. But relevant in any form? No.

LE

Very true words but an explanation may be in the low-key manner in which he keeps himself and the very little promotion he does.  Where other artists are out there self-promoting or perhaps misbehaving and getting attention for it, Mark is just at home penning his next song.

We can all quote a Britney Spears song but it doesn't make it brilliantly written.  Quote me baby one more time!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Stanko on November 03, 2016, 10:52:15 pm
Relevance seems to be the key word. And relevance to the world and to history, not only to fans.
What a Wonderful World will stay forever, Yesterday will, Smells Like Teen Spirit is relevant for a whole decade, too. In that department, I am afraid MK has not written one relevant song in his life. Sultans got references by very first critics that it had a "Dylanesque voice and a J.J. Cale sounding guitar".., Money For Nothing is famous for being played as first song on MTV Europe and because Sting sings on it. Ask a person from the street (no fan) to quote a couple of lines from a Mark Knopfler song. The answer will be "Mark who?".

Not that I care about that. Gives me the feeling more that he writes especially for me. I know that his writing is excellent and that he is a wordsmith and a man of words. But relevant in any form? No.

LE

Very true words but an explanation may be in the low-key manner in which he keeps himself and the very little promotion he does.  Where other artists are out there self-promoting or perhaps misbehaving and getting attention for it, Mark is just at home penning his next song.

We can all quote a Britney Spears song but it doesn't make it brilliantly written.  Quote me baby one more time!

Yes, just the another thing amongst the others that distinct him from the others!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: vgonis on November 09, 2016, 05:39:05 pm
A pleasant surprise, although it reminds me of a swinging Further on up the road. I would really love if MK could be a bit more playful and experimental like this here gentleman, that someone mentioned a few posts before:https://youtu.be/okaqXB6Ns5s   I heard this one on the radio and he had me with just two words, with just the sound behind him.
And this one as well
 https://youtu.be/v0nmHymgM7Y
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: twm on November 18, 2016, 12:08:49 am
Regarding "Mr Bob" and his first show in Russia that was mentioned earlier (the one in St Petersburg on 3 June 2008), this is from an on-line review (I have emphasised the final words):

I wont mention every song played but the first thrill for me was the 'new' Tangled. A sort of Bluegrass swing to it. better than the Helsinki version I thought. Bob sang the the new line "He drifted down to New Orleans ... lucky to be employed..THREE TIMES ON A SAILING BOAT..THREE TIMES IT WAS DESTROYED. Wonderful! Levee was excellent. The band really went for it and Bob was throwing some serious shapes! John Brown was as haunting as ever. Every word sang crystal clear. Honest With Me is rockier than ever. George was pounding the drums so hard I thought he would disappear through the stage floor in a puff of smoke. Just Like a Woman was another high light. Lovely harp from Bob.Crowd kept singing chorus line throughout Its Alright Ma sounded fresh and new Working Mans Blues and Aint Talkin deserve a special mention. I think these two songs are up there with the best of Bobs forty odd year output of great songs. Both were fabulous tonight. Thunder on the Mountain and Like a Rolling Stone ended what was a magical and historic night in St Petersburg. I dont know how many people were at the show but it was like a club show in a biggish venue. The Russian crowd were great, cheering and dancing at the intro to each song. Especially the very pretty Russian girl with black hair and sunglasses on her head beside me who was extremely enthusiastic!

Whatever the size of the audience, those attending obviously felt it was a good show. Dylan played 17 songs, 8 of them different from the preceding show and 4 of them for the first time on that European tour which had started in Iceland on 26 May.

I should add, by way of balance, that I attended the following night's show (Tallin in Estonia  on 4 June 2008) and it is not one of my better memories of Mr Bob's concerts but, again, the on-line reviews that I have read were very positive.  Again, he played 17 songs, 9 being different from the St Petersburg show and 1 new to that 2008 European tour (a song he hadn't played live since 2005).

The Tallin venue (a basketball arena) holds 7200 for the sports games and about 10,000 for concerts  and, as far as I could see, was pretty full - I saw no empty seats and the ground floor (standing only) seemed packed.  In contrast, the Ice Palace in St Petersburg (an ice hockey arena) has capacity of 12,300 for the sports and, while there appears to be no official capacity figure for concerts, I would guess something like 17,500 (maybe more).  In respect of that St Petersburg show, I would therefore suggest that it was the  local Russian promoter who got it wrong by choosing that venue for the show. 

Incidentally, though St Petersburg was Dylan's first concert in Russia, he was invited there in July 1985 by the Russian poet, Yevgeny Yevtushenko and, unannounced, played three songs (solo acoustic) at Luzhniki Sports Complex in Moscow. This suggests to me that there are some people in Russia who appreciate his words.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on November 18, 2016, 08:45:16 am
Regarding "Mr Bob" and his first show in Russia that was mentioned earlier (the one in St Petersburg on 3 June 2008), this is from an on-line review (I have emphasised the final words):

I wont mention every song played but the first thrill for me was the 'new' Tangled. A sort of Bluegrass swing to it. better than the Helsinki version I thought. Bob sang the the new line "He drifted down to New Orleans ... lucky to be employed..THREE TIMES ON A SAILING BOAT..THREE TIMES IT WAS DESTROYED. Wonderful! Levee was excellent. The band really went for it and Bob was throwing some serious shapes! John Brown was as haunting as ever. Every word sang crystal clear. Honest With Me is rockier than ever. George was pounding the drums so hard I thought he would disappear through the stage floor in a puff of smoke. Just Like a Woman was another high light. Lovely harp from Bob.Crowd kept singing chorus line throughout Its Alright Ma sounded fresh and new Working Mans Blues and Aint Talkin deserve a special mention. I think these two songs are up there with the best of Bobs forty odd year output of great songs. Both were fabulous tonight. Thunder on the Mountain and Like a Rolling Stone ended what was a magical and historic night in St Petersburg. I dont know how many people were at the show but it was like a club show in a biggish venue. The Russian crowd were great, cheering and dancing at the intro to each song. Especially the very pretty Russian girl with black hair and sunglasses on her head beside me who was extremely enthusiastic!

Whatever the size of the audience, those attending obviously felt it was a good show. Dylan played 17 songs, 8 of them different from the preceding show and 4 of them for the first time on that European tour which had started in Iceland on 26 May.

I should add, by way of balance, that I attended the following night's show (Tallin in Estonia  on 4 June 2008) and it is not one of my better memories of Mr Bob's concerts but, again, the on-line reviews that I have read were very positive.  Again, he played 17 songs, 9 being different from the St Petersburg show and 1 new to that 2008 European tour (a song he hadn't played live since 2005).

The Tallin venue (a basketball arena) holds 7200 for the sports games and about 10,000 for concerts  and, as far as I could see, was pretty full - I saw no empty seats and the ground floor (standing only) seemed packed.  In contrast, the Ice Palace in St Petersburg (an ice hockey arena) has capacity of 12,300 for the sports and, while there appears to be no official capacity figure for concerts, I would guess something like 17,500 (maybe more).  In respect of that St Petersburg show, I would therefore suggest that it was the  local Russian promoter who got it wrong by choosing that venue for the show. 

Incidentally, though St Petersburg was Dylan's first concert in Russia, he was invited there in July 1985 by the Russian poet, Yevgeny Yevtushenko and, unannounced, played three songs (solo acoustic) at Luzhniki Sports Complex in Moscow. This suggests to me that there are some people in Russia who appreciate his words.

Thank you for following the thread so closely.

Yes, the Ice Hockey Arena in Saint Petersburg is huge, I even worked there as a FOH engineer, the cool thing is that it has a direct way from the scene to the garage so when Mark was playing there, I think he was on his way to airport when the band was still playing last chords on stage LOL. You can vanish from there in a matter of seconds.

Yes, Mark played the same venue twice, in 2005 and in 2008, like Bob did and there was like 3 of 4 times more people on Mark's show than on Bob Dylan's show. Yes, organising and promotion was awful and the venue was bad. In fact, this hockey field is one of the worst venues in town regarding acoustics, after all it was built for sports. I can't get it.

We have a dedicated concert hall where Mark played in 2001, but for some reason all the big shots are going to play this hockey ring nowadays. There are some people who love Bob Dylan indeed, but Yevgeny Yevtushenko actually an American resident of Bob's hometown for years, so you can imagine why he's so enthusiastic about him. And also Yevgeny Yevtushenko have some great songs with the music written by other people and our girls are pretty, too, it often can lead you off from many things :lol
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: twm on November 18, 2016, 09:12:32 pm
Yevtushenko is an academic as well as being a poet and has worked in a number of U.S. colleges and universities. I'm not sure which you regard as Dylan's "hometown". 

Yevtushenko's  links with the world beyond Russia go back a long way. He was certainly travelling abroad in the early 1960s. I seem to recall that he was in Cuba at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis in late 1962.

I think the earliest published translation of Yevtushenko into English was in 1962 in the Penguin Modern European Poets series, "Yevtushenko - Selected Poems". My own copy is dated 1967, the fourth reprinting of the book by Penguin in five years, which must be some measure of his popularity amongst English readers.

Yevtushenko was being linked with Dylan as far back as 1963. "Mr Dylan's compositions don't fit into any pigeon-hole; the minute you have one characterized, it flies away. His lyrics mix a solo sermon out of Guthrie's conversational folksay with a dash of Rimbaud's demonic imagery or even a bit of Yevtushenko's social criticism" (Robert Shelton, NEW YORK TIMES, 13 April 1963).  This was before Dylan's second album, THE FREEWHEELIN' BOB DYLAN, had been released. The Shelton article prompted a short essay entitled, "Yevtushenko, Lorca and Bob Dylan" in one of the folk magazines (Josh Dunson, BROADSIDE # 27, June 1963).

During Dylan's 1985 visit to Russia, he went down to Odessa, from which members of his own family had emigrated many years before. There was also talk once of a couple of shows to be set up in Leningrad but nothing came of it.

Dire Straits' record sales were immense for certain, fairly extended periods of time (and this brought about sold out concerts all over the world). Dylan has been a different sort of performer and creator: his albums tend to sell well on release and then sales fall away - but he has recorded dozens and dozens of albums and written hundreds and hundreds of songs. So much material has been recorded, not released at the time but subsequently officially released that he probably has more albums of this older material now officially released than Dire Straits, the Hillbillies and solo Mark Knopfler between them have albums released in total. 

After all, just one of the BOOTLEG SERIES albums (last year's CUTTING EDGE) contained 18 CDs and this year's LIVE 1966 box set contains 36 CDs, so that's 54 CDs-worth of (admittedly older) recordings released in just the last year or so.  Next year, we are told that there will a release of material from his "Gospel Years" - 1979 to 1981.

As well as his own songs, he has performed and/or recorded hundreds of songs written by others. There is a book on the subject and it runs to over 400 pages! It was written 2008 and the subject probably deserves a follow-up book.

As well as recording, Dylan has been an active performer. Dylan's St Petersburg show in 2008 was his 2037th since the start of the so-called Never-Ending Tour in the middle of 1988.  Since then, Dylan has performed another (roughly) 700 concerts. None of these figures include all those shows he performed between 1961 and 1987.

In addition to all this, he has written books, made films, exhibited at art galleries (paintings and metal sculptures), been the subject of several documentaries, received many public awards, including most recently, the Nobel Literature Prize, and so it goes on.

Believe me, I'm not trying to put MK or his works down; I'm only trying to say that you are not comparing like with like.


Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on November 18, 2016, 11:01:29 pm
I'm sorry, for "hometown" I meant the place where his Archive was placed, could it count for hometown? Important place so to speak.
Thank you for this deep analysis, I'm actually going to re-read this many times because you provided a lot of useful information here.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: twm on November 19, 2016, 10:12:53 am
Ah, you meant Tulsa. Dylan has no real links with Tulsa to the best of my  knowledge.

If Yevtushenko is based there, he will have a good opportunity to see the material in the Dylan archive. Sadly, for me, that is a long (and expensive) journey.

When I was young, there was a song entitled "Only 24 hours from Tulsa" (a UK hit for Gene Pitney) - it has an ironic resonance for me these days.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on November 19, 2016, 11:07:17 am
Don't see a connection with the song Playtime Deluxe though which is the topic of this thread.
 
LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: twm on November 19, 2016, 01:01:07 pm
Sometimes threads go off at a tangent. That's the nature of the beast - as we say in the UK.

Another saying, less common, goes something like this - "He who rides the wild tiger cannot easily dismount". 

Sorry if going off-topic offends but I was just following up comments made earlier.

And I did make comments re "Playtime Deluxe" itself earlier.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on November 19, 2016, 02:48:14 pm
Of course. Just wanted to have mentioned it.  ;D

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: ds1984 on November 19, 2016, 04:34:04 pm
Of course. Just wanted to have mentioned it.  ;D

LE

Same for me.  :wave
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: twm on November 19, 2016, 06:46:30 pm
Not seeking to "offend" further but, in respect of Gene Pitney, have you ever noticed that, apart from a few songs ("24 Hours From Tulsa" being one of them"), his U.S. hits were not hits in the U.K. and his U.K. hits were not hits in the U.S.A. ??? !!!! ???  [In this instance, I'm defining "hit" as Top 20]

Town Without Pity, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Only Love Can Break A Heart, Half Heaven Half Heartache, and Mecca - all US top twenty hits but not top twenty in the UK. Then came "24 Hours From Tulsa", top twenty both sides of the Atlantic. Next: That Girl Belongs to Yesterday, UK hit (not USA). Next again: It Hurts To Be In Love, US hit (not UK).  Late 1964 - I'm Going To Be Strong - a hit in both USA and UK.  Then the pattern starts again. Two different songs were in the UK and USA top twenties in June and July 1965. Then from late 1965 through to May 1968, he had only UK hits ( 5 in the Top Twenty) before a different song became a US top twenty hit in mid-1968.

This little story will have undoubtedly bored you but it really was quite remarkable. And, just to add an ironic twist, all these Gene Pitney hits were on the Stateside label in the UK!  [While in the States - stateside, as we sometimes say - Gene Pitney was on the Musicor label]

The musicbiz can be quirky and cruel at times.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 19, 2016, 08:14:35 pm
Looks like in this song only one of the drummers is playing, but cannot see if it's Henry Spinetti or Graham Broad...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on November 19, 2016, 09:02:23 pm
If a thread develops in a complete other direction than it's topic was intending then it is a normal thing to point out to that or make a remark or give a hint. It is hardly an "offence" and should not be judged as that. So no worries.

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: twm on November 21, 2016, 04:48:53 pm
Yes but not only did I go off on a tangent (based on something posted by someone else) but then I went off on a tangent from the original tangent (and that was entirely down to me).

Anyway, you folks can get back on track now.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 21, 2016, 06:36:05 pm
Actually I'm still curious about who is the drummer in Playtime Deluxe, Spinetti or Broad...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on November 21, 2016, 07:49:12 pm
Please twm.. I thought about it - from my point of view, Playtime Deluxe as a song is not worth more than, let's say, five or six posts  ;) whereas most of the time your (Dylan- or history) related posts are much more interesting .. so please don't hesitate if a new story comes to your mind!  :wave

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 27, 2016, 09:11:38 am
Agreed, I liked the Gene Pitney chat. MK's  guitar on Hand on Hand is surely an homage to 24 Hours From Tulsa.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on November 27, 2016, 10:13:54 am
Just listened "Playtime Deluxe" again since the first listening... oh man it's great. Guitar playing is insane, arrangement is so good :clap
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Crusty on November 27, 2016, 03:04:59 pm
Just listened "Playtime Deluxe" again since the first listening... oh man it's great. Guitar playing is insane, arrangement is so good :clap

Only because play by MK.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 27, 2016, 03:57:55 pm
It's nothing special... There is no secret in playing a Les Paul loud, no matter if you play three notes and repeat them endlessly, if it's played loud it would sound great even it's simple and nothing extraordinary...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Silvertown on November 28, 2016, 08:22:29 am
It's nothing special... There is no secret in playing a Les Paul loud, no matter if you play three notes and repeat them endlessly, if it's played loud it would sound great even it's simple and nothing extraordinary...

Do you mean that it sounds good anyway when Mark is playing? Because when I am playing with LP it doesn´t sound great :D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 28, 2016, 08:25:08 am
If you play well, and you have a good amp, it would sound terrific!

But if MK is who plays, for us it would be the greatest thing on earth, that's for sure, even he just play one note for 30 seconds  ;D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on November 28, 2016, 01:04:10 pm
If you play well, and you have a good amp, it would sound terrific!

But if MK is who plays, for us it would be the greatest thing on earth, that's for sure, even he just play one note for 30 seconds  ;D

Some of us have been known to be critical... :wave
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 28, 2016, 01:07:36 pm
If you play well, and you have a good amp, it would sound terrific!

But if MK is who plays, for us it would be the greatest thing on earth, that's for sure, even he just play one note for 30 seconds  ;D

Some of us have been known to be critical... :wave

Impossible... MK is the best guitarist, the best songwriter, the best singer, the best anything-you-coul-think-about...  ;D

Actually "Playtime Deluxe" is not the best thing he ever made, because he is recording something, that would be the best they ever did...

 ;D ;D ;D :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Pottel on November 28, 2016, 09:39:05 pm
Yevtushenko is an academic as well as being a poet and has worked in a number of U.S. colleges and universities. I'm not sure which you regard as Dylan's "hometown". 

Yevtushenko's  links with the world beyond Russia go back a long way. He was certainly travelling abroad in the early 1960s. I seem to recall that he was in Cuba at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis in late 1962.

I think the earliest published translation of Yevtushenko into English was in 1962 in the Penguin Modern European Poets series, "Yevtushenko - Selected Poems". My own copy is dated 1967, the fourth reprinting of the book by Penguin in five years, which must be some measure of his popularity amongst English readers.

Yevtushenko was being linked with Dylan as far back as 1963. "Mr Dylan's compositions don't fit into any pigeon-hole; the minute you have one characterized, it flies away. His lyrics mix a solo sermon out of Guthrie's conversational folksay with a dash of Rimbaud's demonic imagery or even a bit of Yevtushenko's social criticism" (Robert Shelton, NEW YORK TIMES, 13 April 1963).  This was before Dylan's second album, THE FREEWHEELIN' BOB DYLAN, had been released. The Shelton article prompted a short essay entitled, "Yevtushenko, Lorca and Bob Dylan" in one of the folk magazines (Josh Dunson, BROADSIDE # 27, June 1963).

During Dylan's 1985 visit to Russia, he went down to Odessa, from which members of his own family had emigrated many years before. There was also talk once of a couple of shows to be set up in Leningrad but nothing came of it.

Dire Straits' record sales were immense for certain, fairly extended periods of time (and this brought about sold out concerts all over the world). Dylan has been a different sort of performer and creator: his albums tend to sell well on release and then sales fall away - but he has recorded dozens and dozens of albums and written hundreds and hundreds of songs. So much material has been recorded, not released at the time but subsequently officially released that he probably has more albums of this older material now officially released than Dire Straits, the Hillbillies and solo Mark Knopfler between them have albums released in total. 

After all, just one of the BOOTLEG SERIES albums (last year's CUTTING EDGE) contained 18 CDs and this year's LIVE 1966 box set contains 36 CDs, so that's 54 CDs-worth of (admittedly older) recordings released in just the last year or so.  Next year, we are told that there will a release of material from his "Gospel Years" - 1979 to 1981.

As well as his own songs, he has performed and/or recorded hundreds of songs written by others. There is a book on the subject and it runs to over 400 pages! It was written 2008 and the subject probably deserves a follow-up book.

As well as recording, Dylan has been an active performer. Dylan's St Petersburg show in 2008 was his 2037th since the start of the so-called Never-Ending Tour in the middle of 1988.  Since then, Dylan has performed another (roughly) 700 concerts. None of these figures include all those shows he performed between 1961 and 1987.

In addition to all this, he has written books, made films, exhibited at art galleries (paintings and metal sculptures), been the subject of several documentaries, received many public awards, including most recently, the Nobel Literature Prize, and so it goes on.

Believe me, I'm not trying to put MK or his works down; I'm only trying to say that you are not comparing like with like.



always love your essays twm, but one thing i must say here, the 36cd box of 1966 recordings is nothing more then that, live recordings, so if we count the bleecker street, and other incarnations, live recordings, mark easily "out-releases" bob. :-)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Pottel on November 28, 2016, 09:41:20 pm
Sometimes threads go off at a tangent. That's the nature of the beast - as we say in the UK.

Another saying, less common, goes something like this - "He who rides the wild tiger cannot easily dismount". 

Sorry if going off-topic offends but I was just following up comments made earlier.

And I did make comments re "Playtime Deluxe" itself earlier.
absoletuly. and when it is not comments made up of bull, but rather interesting music info/history, i do not mind whatsoever. i get LE'S point, IN GENERAL, but here, it was interesting.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Pottel on November 28, 2016, 09:42:34 pm
If a thread develops in a complete other direction than it's topic was intending then it is a normal thing to point out to that or make a remark or give a hint. It is hardly an "offence" and should not be judged as that. So no worries.

LE

had not read this yet when i wrote my earlier comments....just sayin' :-)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: twm on November 30, 2016, 10:19:34 am
I was commenting on official releases, so, as long as they are available to the general public, not just those attending the concerts, then the Bleecker Street recordings would certainly count towards the comparison.

Last year, Dylan's 1965 concert recordings were made available but only as downloads and only to those who had purchased THE CUTTING EDGE. They were certainly made available to the public but whether that counts as "to the general public", I do not know. I think it probably does from a legal point of view because, by making them available in this way, Sony Music believes that, under European law,  it has extended their copyright on these recordings.

As a bit of an aside, when we attended the Bridport event, I had pre-prepared a few questions just in case there was a dearth of questions from the floor (there wasn't, of course, and I had already decided to leave it to the true fans to ask their questions first). The one question I would like to have asked is whether MK had ever, or would ever, consider his equivalent of Bob Dylan's BOOTLEG SERIES of releases. 
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Fletch on November 30, 2016, 10:41:06 am
The ultimate true fan question Mr twm!
I can imagine MK responding with "I'm not worthy of it..." or some other overly modest waffle :(
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on November 30, 2016, 01:42:03 pm
The ultimate true fan question Mr twm!
I can imagine MK responding with "I'm not worthy of it..." or some other overly modest waffle :(

MK already answered that when was asked about writting his biography, and then Myles Palmer released an "unauthorised one"

Together with "I always look forward" one of the likely answers  ;D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Lis on December 08, 2016, 10:41:57 pm
I can think in many many many better songwriters than him, well, I might correct, some better, some equal, and lot of them different.

Let´s say, just for a start, Bob Dylan, Leonhard Cohen, Paul Simon... the list is endless.

There are, indeed, many great songwriters and MK is up there with them, but it is MK's songwriting that gives me the greatest pleasure - his songs are playing every day in my house more than anyone else's.   Mark's songs changed my life - no other songwriter could do that.

+1
 :D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Pottel on December 09, 2016, 11:48:10 pm
I was commenting on official releases, so, as long as they are available to the general public, not just those attending the concerts, then the Bleecker Street recordings would certainly count towards the comparison.

Last year, Dylan's 1965 concert recordings were made available but only as downloads and only to those who had purchased THE CUTTING EDGE. They were certainly made available to the public but whether that counts as "to the general public", I do not know. I think it probably does from a legal point of view because, by making them available in this way, Sony Music believes that, under European law,  it has extended their copyright on these recordings.

As a bit of an aside, when we attended the Bridport event, I had pre-prepared a few questions just in case there was a dearth of questions from the floor (there wasn't, of course, and I had already decided to leave it to the true fans to ask their questions first). The one question I would like to have asked is whether MK had ever, or would ever, consider his equivalent of Bob Dylan's BOOTLEG SERIES of releases. 
the floyd have topped Bob's bootleg offering in one go with the Early Years box set. it is just mindblowing. omg, if mark would do this, i would faint. then sell whatever valuables i have to get a copy...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: vgonis on December 10, 2016, 01:48:41 am
Hardly. Bob has issued so many volumes in the  bootleg series with the last 3 being in multiple editions with the DELUXE, SPECIAL, SUPER, LIMITED, LUXURIOUS, NUMBERED and very very expensive from 1965 counting more than the 14 CDs of Pink Floyd's first whole period. Of course the DVDs are as many and Bob hasn't equalled that, but well, we can't have everything. And Pink Floyd used film in their shows and as part of their promotion. In any case, I hope MK does not release in the same manner because I will have to sell my Bob Dylan records in order to buy his box. After all, who needs 16 discs of live recordings from just one tour, in a bulky box, when he can fit everything and more in a nice hard drive, maybe with not very arty covers (or even no cover art at all) and not that good sound, but with memories of listening to those bootlegs and knowing them by heart, irreplaceable?
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 01, 2017, 09:10:44 am
Let's just hope the album version doesn't have flutes and whistles on it!   :lol

My thoughts exactly!!

I have to say I really like the 'PD' and personally it's nice to see MK 'letting loose' on the 'Les Paul' - to me it is a very moody track full of guitar playing delight.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Crusty on January 01, 2017, 10:01:49 am
I was commenting on official releases, so, as long as they are available to the general public, not just those attending the concerts, then the Bleecker Street recordings would certainly count towards the comparison.

Last year, Dylan's 1965 concert recordings were made available but only as downloads and only to those who had purchased THE CUTTING EDGE. They were certainly made available to the public but whether that counts as "to the general public", I do not know. I think it probably does from a legal point of view because, by making them available in this way, Sony Music believes that, under European law,  it has extended their copyright on these recordings.

As a bit of an aside, when we attended the Bridport event, I had pre-prepared a few questions just in case there was a dearth of questions from the floor (there wasn't, of course, and I had already decided to leave it to the true fans to ask their questions first). The one question I would like to have asked is whether MK had ever, or would ever, consider his equivalent of Bob Dylan's BOOTLEG SERIES of releases. 
the floyd have topped Bob's bootleg offering in one go with the Early Years box set. it is just mindblowing. omg, if mark would do this, i would faint. then sell whatever valuables i have to get a copy...

Pink Floyd and Bob Dilan is much more big legend from MK and DS. Small market for MK. And MK is MK, he always llook to future.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 02, 2017, 03:34:30 pm
Well, that was Mark's choice as he hates the spotlights. Regarding his always forward approach it's very sellfish of him imho. When an artist releases work from previous encarnations it doesn't mean nostalgia or anything related. You can do both, the fans deserve it.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on January 04, 2017, 11:53:34 pm
Two cool new videos from the event:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8DASNifR8c

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3p32oqZW6E
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Banjo99uk on January 05, 2017, 04:49:46 am
brilliant, really wanted to see the Van Morrison one. Thanks
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2017, 08:23:29 pm
Thanks for the videos.

Is it just me or is MK suffering from a shaky right hand? Nervs (he is human after all) or a physical issue? Most clearly visible when he uses the pickup selector.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on January 05, 2017, 11:14:57 pm
Thanks for the videos.

Is it just me or is MK suffering from a shaky right hand? Nervs (he is human after all) or a physical issue? Most clearly visible when he uses the pickup selector.

Looks kind of natural to me. Sometimes I too suffer from shaky hands, especially when I'm hungry, but I think in his case it's a combination of age, audience and appetite (he's human after all) :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on January 10, 2017, 02:58:23 pm
Thanks for the videos.

Is it just me or is MK suffering from a shaky right hand? Nervs (he is human after all) or a physical issue? Most clearly visible when he uses the pickup selector.
Definitely nervous, he's also fiddling with his jacket all the time. New song, new guitar, not his own band, not played on stage for a while, etc... great solo's though!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Lis on January 10, 2017, 07:50:40 pm
I had thought he was grabbing at his jacket becasue of sweaty hands.   :think
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: border_reiver on January 10, 2017, 11:57:30 pm
He's clearly nervous since it's not the 37th "So Far Away" in a row. ;)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on January 26, 2017, 08:14:14 am
Playtime Deluxe... wouldn't that be a perfect name, literally meant, for a very opulent release? Why end up with only a double? A big box full of songs. ..
I better stop as it is a dream too good to be true..

LE 
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on January 26, 2017, 08:36:31 am
Playtime Deluxe... wouldn't that be a perfect name, literally meant, for a very opulent release? Why end up with only a double? A big box full of songs. ..
I better stop as it is a dream too good to be true..

LE

As long as it won't be quantity over quality. I guess Mark can release 11 CDs album like Chris Rea, but the question is — why?
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on January 26, 2017, 09:09:52 am
To get rid of it . Did not Ianto once mention a huge amount of songs they have recorded for Privateering?

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on January 26, 2017, 09:38:40 am
To get rid of it . Did not Ianto once mention a huge amount of songs they have recorded for Privateering?

LE

According to the article they recorded 45 songs for Privateering:
http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=2466.0
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Crusty on January 26, 2017, 10:25:40 am
To get rid of it . Did not Ianto once mention a huge amount of songs they have recorded for Privateering?

LE

According to the article they recorded 45 songs for Privateering:
http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=2466.0

A world don't need rest of songs. Only for crazy MK fans  ;D  Chris Rea box with 11 CDs have some good songs and MANY junk. MK is better writer and musiscan but he too have junk songs.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on January 26, 2017, 12:13:40 pm
He has a clear tendency to be more productive on the more quanatitive meaning. Privateering was a double but Tracker with all bonus songs together had almost the same length. Coming up with the once usual 50 to 55 minutes album as before would be something I would have to get used to again.

What?

Yes, I know Making Movies was around 38 minutes...  ;D

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on January 26, 2017, 04:11:03 pm
To get rid of it . Did not Ianto once mention a huge amount of songs they have recorded for Privateering?

LE

According to the article they recorded 45 songs for Privateering:
http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=2466.0

A world don't need rest of songs. Only for crazy MK fans  ;D  Chris Rea box with 11 CDs have some good songs and MANY junk. MK is better writer and musiscan but he too have junk songs.

I agree and think he had better songs under the management of Ed Bicknell.  Under Crocks I reckon Mark chooses his own songs and personally I don't think some of them would have made the grade under Ed's stewardship.  Privateering would surely have been a single album for sure, or perhaps some of the rejected songs would have replaced the more disappointing ones.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on January 26, 2017, 05:53:12 pm
I agree and think he had better songs under the management of Ed Bicknell.  Under Crocks I reckon Mark chooses his own songs and personally I don't think some of them would have made the grade under Ed's stewardship.  Privateering would surely have been a single album for sure, or perhaps some of the rejected songs would have replaced the more disappointing ones.

Absolutely, he had enough songs to make STP a double album. A few songs we saw on the record with Emmylou. It's hard to read that even Chuck Ainlay says some of his best songs never see the light of day. Maybe it's a strange thought, but sometimes I think he does it on purpose.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mark-knopfler-back-with-new-album-after-four-years-20000928
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on January 26, 2017, 08:03:25 pm
I agree and think he had better songs under the management of Ed Bicknell.  Under Crocks I reckon Mark chooses his own songs and personally I don't think some of them would have made the grade under Ed's stewardship.  Privateering would surely have been a single album for sure, or perhaps some of the rejected songs would have replaced the more disappointing ones.

Absolutely, he had enough songs to make STP a double album. A few songs we saw on the record with Emmylou. It's hard to read that even Chuck Ainlay says some of his best songs never see the light of day. Maybe it's a strange thought, but sometimes I think he does it on purpose.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mark-knopfler-back-with-new-album-after-four-years-20000928

You don't miss what you've never had though.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: crimmer on January 27, 2017, 12:13:14 pm
on youtube,  donegans gone and SONNY :) from 02 bluesfest 2016 , bad sound but at least we have a recording .

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw7etSnDH4c

also love chris rea's blue guitars , think its one of his best albums his done going through all different types of blues and stories , would love a roots folk and blues album from Chris Rea and Knopfler
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: crimmer on January 29, 2017, 12:50:02 am
following on from my last post about mk and rea ,(because I follow around both but love mk more, but rea is not a well man at all, but much more bluesy) heres chris not his best performance in 2014 (I guess like mk in baseil 2007 )a very very slowed down version compared with most his 2014 tour of "where the blues come from" but still alright  , slide guitar kicks in 3.07min but awesome heart felt lyrics beforehand, then after guitar goes in to jospheine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay2IXG7vcyU

would love these two too do some dirty old slow blues together
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on January 29, 2017, 01:15:17 am
following on from my last post about mk and rea ,(because I follow around both but love mk more, but rea is not a well man at all, but much more bluesy) heres chris not his best performance in 2014 (I guess like mk in baseil 2007 )a very very slowed down version compared with most his 2014 tour of "where the blues come from" but still alright  , slide guitar kicks in 3.07min but awesome heart felt lyrics beforehand, then after guitar goes in to jospheine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay2IXG7vcyU

would love these two too do some dirty old slow blues together

"Where The Blues Come From" is one of my favourites from Chris. Live versions is great to say the least... I mean the ones from USB sticks.

Chris Rea praised Mark many, many, MANY times and clearly has shown a great amount of respect towards Mark. But MK never mentioned CR... :disbelief
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Rail King on April 04, 2017, 02:29:21 pm
Just listened to this again after quite a while. It's so good! I don't care whether it will make it onto some future album or not, because this live version will do it for me forever. I can't imagine a better one.

PS: That said, "Playtime Deluxe" would make for a nice album title ...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 04, 2017, 08:26:03 pm
Just listened to this again after quite a while. It's so good! I don't care whether it will make it onto some future album or not, because this live version will do it for me forever. I can't imagine a better one.

PS: That said, "Playtime Deluxe" would make for a nice album title ...

I was told by a little bird the album title will be "the endless wait of the patient ones".
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: darkshiver on July 25, 2017, 02:48:00 pm
New playtime deluxe video with Mark Knopfler at the Bill Wyman 80th Birthday 2016.10.28 . Very close ups!! .Also witn Van Morrison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8DASNifR8c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3p32oqZW6E

Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Rail King on July 25, 2017, 04:49:56 pm
Such a brilliant performance. Can't say it often enough. Really reassuring.  :clap
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on July 25, 2017, 05:39:08 pm
For some reason it actually sounded a smoother performance on that video.  It is reassuring, however by the time this album is released and the tour starts it will be Mark celebrating his 80th birthday!  :lol

Thanks for posting these links BTW.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on July 25, 2017, 06:58:35 pm
I don't get why the video is black and white...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: border_reiver on July 25, 2017, 08:08:25 pm
One thing is still certain. Playtime Deluxe would be fantastic on a tour setlist.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Pottel on July 25, 2017, 09:46:15 pm
such bad audio, but boy those close ups of mark and van singing....awesome...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: pitx on July 26, 2017, 07:06:19 am
joder new.Tiene mas de 5 meses
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: jbaent on July 26, 2017, 08:20:49 am
joder new.Tiene mas de 5 meses

In English please, there is a Spanish corner to talk Spanish...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on July 26, 2017, 01:25:57 pm
I must admit it hits me hard to see him in this clip... since 2015, he really has changed and not in the best way.. so old.. so "chubby" and so strange behaving...
I hate those glasses that totally not fit... totally another man than the guy I used to adore when live on stage.. Sorry to say...
His whole  behaviour is very hard to watch for me... even his speaking voice I love so much has turned into a mumbling that is hard to understand.. In the best case I hope he was drunk that night.. In the worst case I honestly fear something severe is wrong with him..

I know we all grow older. Day by day. Don't kill me.

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: AMARKINTIME on July 26, 2017, 01:38:14 pm
I don't get why the video is black and white...

.... simply because s/he wishes ;)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Robson on July 26, 2017, 02:29:52 pm
Love Expresso

I do not see anything special in Mark's behavior. Typical Mark
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on July 26, 2017, 02:30:39 pm
I must admit it hits me hard to see him in this clip... since 2015, he really has changed and not in the best way.. so old.. so "chubby" and so strange behaving...
I hate those glasses that totally not fit... totally another man than the guy I used to adore when live on stage.. Sorry to say...
His whole  behaviour is very hard to watch for me... even his speaking voice I love so much has turned into a mumbling that is hard to understand.. In the best case I hope he was drunk that night.. In the worst case I honestly fear something severe is wrong with him..

I know we all grow older. Day by day. Don't kill me.

LE


I won't kill you, LE, but I tend to agree with you.   MK looks a lot older than the last time I saw him in front of me in 2015.   The suit and the spectacles don't help and he seems to have put on a lot of weight.   I think he looks much younger in denims and more casual clothes.  He looked better in the pictures with John Illsley at the Big Bike Charity Hike on 20th April, although it looked like something from "Last of the Summer Wine"!    ;D
   
www.bigbikecharityhike.com


I do like Playtime Deluxe a lot, though, and hope to hear it played live next tour!    :)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on July 26, 2017, 03:12:41 pm
I must admit it hits me hard to see him in this clip... since 2015, he really has changed and not in the best way.. so old.. so "chubby" and so strange behaving...
I hate those glasses that totally not fit... totally another man than the guy I used to adore when live on stage.. Sorry to say...
His whole  behaviour is very hard to watch for me... even his speaking voice I love so much has turned into a mumbling that is hard to understand.. In the best case I hope he was drunk that night.. In the worst case I honestly fear something severe is wrong with him..

I know we all grow older. Day by day. Don't kill me.

LE

Mark does look beyond his years and wearing these glasses certainly doesn't help.  He has always mumbled though as we all know and he doesn't feel comfortable talking to the audience.  On an occasion such as this maybe he had been celebrating and had a drink, who knows.  He usually puts on a little weight when he isn't touring but that would only be natural for a man of his age.  We know he likes fine wine and he has the tell-tale sign of rosy cheeks these days.

I recall the Glasgow gig back in 2013 and it had been John's birthday the night before and he commented they had been drinking the night before, rather making fun of it.  However I noticed for the first time his hand shaking like hell on the R&J solo.  Didn't think much of it at the time.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on July 26, 2017, 03:18:31 pm
I must admit it hits me hard to see him in this clip... since 2015, he really has changed and not in the best way.. so old.. so "chubby" and so strange behaving...
I hate those glasses that totally not fit... totally another man than the guy I used to adore when live on stage.. Sorry to say...
His whole  behaviour is very hard to watch for me... even his speaking voice I love so much has turned into a mumbling that is hard to understand.. In the best case I hope he was drunk that night.. In the worst case I honestly fear something severe is wrong with him..

I know we all grow older. Day by day. Don't kill me.

LE

That's exactly the reason why I think the more time he rest nowadays, the better, because he looks fresh anyway after holidays and stuff.
Seriously, if he will hit another "big tour" he will need not 2-3 days off between shows, but a whole week. Let's see him after this big pause!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on July 26, 2017, 03:24:22 pm
I must admit it hits me hard to see him in this clip... since 2015, he really has changed and not in the best way.. so old.. so "chubby" and so strange behaving...
I hate those glasses that totally not fit... totally another man than the guy I used to adore when live on stage.. Sorry to say...
His whole  behaviour is very hard to watch for me... even his speaking voice I love so much has turned into a mumbling that is hard to understand.. In the best case I hope he was drunk that night.. In the worst case I honestly fear something severe is wrong with him..

I know we all grow older. Day by day. Don't kill me.

LE

That's exactly the reason why I think the more time he rest nowadays, the better, because he looks fresh anyway after holidays and stuff.
Seriously, if he will hit another "big tour" he will need not 2-3 days off between shows, but a whole week. Let's see him after this big pause!

Maybe so, but factor-in the fact that all the time he has years holidays he is getting older...
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: skydiver on July 26, 2017, 03:26:58 pm
Too much negativity here for me.
I was there that evening and Mark was very relaxed and good looking and it was a pure joy to see him and take in his unique charm and charisma.
He was the only artist who came out after the show to speak to the fans and sign memorabilia. Very relaxed and warmhearted.
And he was the only artist who made the effort to rehearse and present a new song that evening instead of just easily going for an old big hit.
Maybe some have to realize that it's not 1977 anymore and he is approaching 70.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on July 26, 2017, 03:32:23 pm
I notice that Bill Wyman's 80th birthday gig was held 28th October 2016.  In April, 2017 on the DS and MK Pictures thread - Page 9 there is a very nice picture of MK looking wonderful - I thought so anyway!      :)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Robson on July 26, 2017, 03:37:30 pm
"Too much negativity here for me"

Exactly

Skydiver I like it :)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on July 26, 2017, 03:41:08 pm
Too much negativity here for me.
I was there that evening and Mark was very relaxed and good looking and it was a pure joy to see him and take in his unique charm and charisma.
He was the only artist who came out after the show to speak to the fans and sign memorabilia. Very relaxed and warmhearted.
And he was the only artist who made the effort to rehearse and present a new song that evening instead of just easily going for an old big hit.
Maybe some have to realize that it's not 1977 anymore and he is approaching 70.

I must say that I did enjoy MK's sense of humour at that concert - he certainly had me in stitches watching the video and the audience too from what I heard!   

Nice to hear your recollections of the concert, Skydiver, particularly from someone who was there!   
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on July 26, 2017, 03:54:40 pm
This is the one with the best sound imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI-3Vfzlvqo
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: dmg on July 26, 2017, 04:44:53 pm
Too much negativity here for me.
I was there that evening and Mark was very relaxed and good looking and it was a pure joy to see him and take in his unique charm and charisma.
He was the only artist who came out after the show to speak to the fans and sign memorabilia. Very relaxed and warmhearted.
And he was the only artist who made the effort to rehearse and present a new song that evening instead of just easily going for an old big hit.
Maybe some have to realize that it's not 1977 anymore and he is approaching 70.

Some good points there and it's good to hear your experiences from the show itself.  It is all too easy to get on a downward spiral.  While it is not wise to just bury our heads in the sand it is also good to take all the positives we can.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Stanko on July 26, 2017, 05:13:06 pm
Hey stand back! you all know I'm the one here who appreciates Mark the most!
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: superval99 on July 26, 2017, 05:37:01 pm
Hey stand back! you all know I'm the one here who appreciates Mark the most!

LOL Stanko!    You must know that is me!     :D    :D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Love Expresso on July 26, 2017, 08:30:46 pm
I was waiting for the "too much negativity" sentence, thanks a lot. I is allowed, though. This is not MKNews (where it wasn't allowed). I guess I made clear that I was stating my opinion.

Nice to hear that he came out after the show and signed stuff, don't expect him to do so these days anymore.

LE
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: the visitor on July 26, 2017, 10:43:26 pm
Great guitar playing , I love hearing the Les Paul

MK looks happy on stage with sunglass Van.

Thanks for sharing the clip
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Stanko on July 26, 2017, 10:47:15 pm
Hey stand back! you all know I'm the one here who appreciates Mark the most!

LOL Stanko!    You must know that is me!     :D    :D
Then have it, I give you a place right next to me!
 :D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Robson on July 27, 2017, 02:08:08 am
In my opinion, it is in great shape. Sale 8 months. Remember?

https://youtu.be/j-GrePuPF00
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Mossguitar on July 27, 2017, 06:38:26 am
I think you all bring up good points so far. About the relevance thing, I think that some of his "bad love" songs could be considered timeless and relevant, at least for me. LoG is probably his best both musically and lyrically IMHO, and more recently I think that "A place where..." is an example of how he manages to write about stuff that's relatable to alot of people (think of how many divorced middle aged people there are).

The comparison of Mark with classic wordsmiths like Dylan, Cohen and Springsteen is also interesting. Mark is not considered a poet like those guys are, maybe rightly so. But none of those guys were a guitar hero who influenced generations of guitar players either. That's probably Marks big selling point, that he was one of the top players ever, and who could actually sing and write good lyrics. I can't think of any other player of that caliber who did the same at the top of my head. (Well, Rory Gallagher would qualify for me personally, but I'm thinking in terms of general opinion).

To me, the "MK Guitar Hero" comes more from him composing great guitar solos and melodies more than playing so good as he plays.

Anyone can play as good or even better than MK, but only MK can write a so beautiful guitar solo as the one at the end of Tunnel Of Love, or in "telegraph road"...
I couldn't disagree more! ;) For me, it's Mk's unique guitar tone, his touch, his timing, his frazing, that make him the greatest guitarist. Noone plays like him. Whether anyone plays better or are better guitarists is irrelevant and highly subjektive. Music is not a competition, it's feelings and personal taste. So in my opinion noone can play as good or even better than MK, but many can write beautiful solos, songs and lyrics and even play great guitar.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on July 27, 2017, 09:44:56 am
MK is just the luckiest guy in the world, as he said about himself. He found his own sound (that feeling when you can be 100% sure it was Mark playing from the very first seconds of the record), he found his own style of writing, own way of playing. I mean, how many guys you've ever seen plays with resting ring and little fingers like MK? It's his most original invention and to me, the "Knopfleriest" thing of all. Also, I absolute hate when people are trying to copy that signature rest, to me it's ridiculous, worse than anything. You can copy songs, vocals, licks, but the rest? No, thanks... Don't do that.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: pitx on July 28, 2017, 06:34:28 am
Cenizos.( Jinxed)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Crusty on July 28, 2017, 11:33:38 am
MK is just the luckiest guy in the world, as he said about himself. He found his own sound (that feeling when you can be 100% sure it was Mark playing from the very first seconds of the record), he found his own style of writing, own way of playing. I mean, how many guys you've ever seen plays with resting ring and little fingers like MK? It's his most original invention and to me, the "Knopfleriest" thing of all. Also, I absolute hate when people are trying to copy that signature rest, to me it's ridiculous, worse than anything. You can copy songs, vocals, licks, but the rest? No, thanks... Don't do that.

You are so full of yourself, it's painful. Please.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on July 28, 2017, 12:06:43 pm
MK is just the luckiest guy in the world, as he said about himself. He found his own sound (that feeling when you can be 100% sure it was Mark playing from the very first seconds of the record), he found his own style of writing, own way of playing. I mean, how many guys you've ever seen plays with resting ring and little fingers like MK? It's his most original invention and to me, the "Knopfleriest" thing of all. Also, I absolute hate when people are trying to copy that signature rest, to me it's ridiculous, worse than anything. You can copy songs, vocals, licks, but the rest? No, thanks... Don't do that.

You are so full of yourself, it's painful. Please.

Please continue? ;D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: holaknopfler on July 28, 2017, 05:22:01 pm
MK is just the luckiest guy in the world, as he said about himself. He found his own sound (that feeling when you can be 100% sure it was Mark playing from the very first seconds of the record), he found his own style of writing, own way of playing. I mean, how many guys you've ever seen plays with resting ring and little fingers like MK? It's his most original invention and to me, the "Knopfleriest" thing of all. Also, I absolute hate when people are trying to copy that signature rest, to me it's ridiculous, worse than anything. You can copy songs, vocals, licks, but the rest? No, thanks... Don't do that.

I disagree with you. I like playing the way MK does and I have a lot of fun seeing him play and trying to get close to the sound he creates, and put my own feeling in it. Don't say it's ridiculous when other people have a lot of fun doing it. I'm not not saying I want to sound like MK but I can't. But I like the way he plays. It's nonsense too, since every guitar player has influences and uses it in his own style.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: quizzaciously on July 28, 2017, 05:42:44 pm
MK is just the luckiest guy in the world, as he said about himself. He found his own sound (that feeling when you can be 100% sure it was Mark playing from the very first seconds of the record), he found his own style of writing, own way of playing. I mean, how many guys you've ever seen plays with resting ring and little fingers like MK? It's his most original invention and to me, the "Knopfleriest" thing of all. Also, I absolute hate when people are trying to copy that signature rest, to me it's ridiculous, worse than anything. You can copy songs, vocals, licks, but the rest? No, thanks... Don't do that.

I disagree with you. I like playing the way MK does and I have a lot of fun seeing him play and trying to get close to the sound he creates, and put my own feeling in it. Don't say it's ridiculous when other people have a lot of fun doing it. I'm not not saying I want to sound like MK but I can't. But I like the way he plays. It's nonsense too, since every guitar player has influences and uses it in his own style.

I get it... My point was that I never seen any guitar player playing like that, it's like Dizzy Gillespie's balloon cheeks and bent trumpet—maybe occasional, but certainly unique. I said it because somebody was talking about "greatness" of MK as a guitar player, so to me his greatness is his signature sound and, among other things, his signature right hand, hence my rant on people copying it just for the sake of it.

Nice to hear you have a lot of fun playing like that.
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Rail King on July 28, 2017, 06:01:29 pm
I must admit it hits me hard to see him in this clip... since 2015, he really has changed and not in the best way.. so old.. so "chubby" and so strange behaving...
I hate those glasses that totally not fit... totally another man than the guy I used to adore when live on stage.. Sorry to say...
His whole  behaviour is very hard to watch for me... even his speaking voice I love so much has turned into a mumbling that is hard to understand.. In the best case I hope he was drunk that night.. In the worst case I honestly fear something severe is wrong with him..

I know we all grow older. Day by day. Don't kill me.

LE

Funny, I had the opposite impression – that his playing was more vivid and fluid again, compared to performances on the last two tours. When I heard the first bunch of guitar notes from this song for the first time, I was very surprised that he would even write something twiddly like this theses days. As far as his looks are concerned, yes, sure, he's getting older. That, in turn, I don't find to be a very surprising fact.  ;)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Rail King on July 28, 2017, 06:10:00 pm
Oh, and what did you mean by "strange behaviour", LE?
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Elin N on July 28, 2017, 09:09:31 pm
His whole  behaviour is very hard to watch for me... even his speaking voice I love so much has turned into a mumbling that is hard to understand.. In the best case I hope
LE

(Quote is shortened)
Some posts here must be meant a pure provoke, just for the "fun" of it. LE, he has "mumbled" for the last 15 years, at least. I talked with him last summer, just some words though. His eyes sharp and kind, his head the same  :) :)
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: Stanko on July 28, 2017, 10:52:38 pm
good point!
what we have got here is a bit of the movements all over the place, let us all put it all together at once.  :wave
p.s. I learnt that skill from him actually - getting mumbling right with easy now! what is mumbling anyway?  ;D
Title: Re: Playtime deluxe
Post by: holaknopfler on July 29, 2017, 06:10:11 pm
MK is just the luckiest guy in the world, as he said about himself. He found his own sound (that feeling when you can be 100% sure it was Mark playing from the very first seconds of the record), he found his own style of writing, own way of playing. I mean, how many guys you've ever seen plays with resting ring and little fingers like MK? It's his most original invention and to me, the "Knopfleriest" thing of all. Also, I absolute hate when people are trying to copy that signature rest, to me it's ridiculous, worse than anything. You can copy songs, vocals, licks, but the rest? No, thanks... Don't do that.

I disagree with you. I like playing the way MK does and I have a lot of fun seeing him play and trying to get close to the sound he creates, and put my own feeling in it. Don't say it's ridiculous when other people have a lot of fun doing it. I'm not not saying I want to sound like MK but I can't. But I like the way he plays. It's nonsense too, since every guitar player has influences and uses it in his own style.

I get it... My point was that I never seen any guitar player playing like that, it's like Dizzy Gillespie's balloon cheeks and bent trumpet—maybe occasional, but certainly unique. I said it because somebody was talking about "greatness" of MK as a guitar player, so to me his greatness is his signature sound and, among other things, his signature right hand, hence my rant on people copying it just for the sake of it.

Nice to hear you have a lot of fun playing like that.

Aaah, in that way:-) Agree with that one. You shouldn't just play for the sake of playing like that. It's always important to build up your own sound!