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Title: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on April 23, 2017, 10:54:09 PM
https://www.facebook.com/john.martin.610/posts/1920546714858486

The documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3SgyZSYz4Y

Quotes from JS:

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Pretty sad how much was left out of that video around 30:00, how quickly they forget who actually designed and built his Pensa-Suhr. Funny thing is I was half way done building that guitar before Rudy decided it was perfect for Mark.

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Thanks, I think what is depressing is somehow I lost someone I thought was a friend (Mark) so I can only imagine what was said to him.

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Especially when nobody else touched that guitar except for me, I guess there were sour grapes, people can be disappointing. I remember the "Napkin" When they showed me his wish list the guitar was so far along that I could really only accommodate a few of Mark's wishes. No rings around the hum bucker because the color of the ring didn't match the pickup.

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Yes correct, I think I had less than a week to paint and build it. I was scared it would stick to the case it was so new.

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That was a story at 30:00, the truth? That guitar was more than half built before I was shown "The napkin". It was in fact so far along that the only request I could accommodate was no pickup Ring for the hum bucker and adjusting the neck angle for a non floating Floyd cause I had already cut it for a Floyd. Rudy saw the guitar and said this would be perfect for Mark. I painted it the color I had wanted to do all along. I remember Mark asking for a tapered thickness on the headstock and I had to say no can do because the neck was already cut, I had already carved the top and it can be seen on my bench in an old D'Addario ad. This guitar was only built by me. I was told it needed to be ready for the Mandela concert so I had to rush the paint. I remember it all very clearly. Sour grapes I'm afraid when I left. Mark hasn't said hello to me since 1991 and I have tried, its sad and disappointing for me.?

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A role? I designed and built the guitar. The neck and body were only perimeter cut by Tom Anderson because he was a friend and I had no pin router there. The shape was the same perimeter shape I did for the standard guitars. There wasn't any carve or pickup routes on the body or the neck, all of that was done by me. Totally square. The "MK-1" name was created after I left. For me the first one was simply a Carved top standard I was building for myself. Maybe sour grapes with Rudy, I don't know, we had disagreements after I left due to reasons I don't want to get in to. I was just trying to make a living and support my new family found a more lucrative opportunity with Bradshaw and wanted out of NYC Who knows what was said to Mark. But by the lack of credit where it is due I'm assuming plenty. I'm still good friends with Frampton who I knew during that period as well. Actually Peter was one of our first investors.?

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Well Rudy and I are now friendly and were after we settled any disputes between us. Or at least I thought so until I saw this video. I think the basis for any bad feelings is that I chose to leave NYC.?
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Crusty on April 24, 2017, 10:40:41 AM
Sad story. JS was huge asset in Rudy Pensa business and his guitars for MK and other profsienal players must bring lot of money. No John, no (less money). Maybe because this Rudy was bitter.

I also think MK have "selecting memory" and is little bit more cynical than we think for him.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: holaknopfler on April 24, 2017, 04:25:51 PM
MK really looks like an ass in this story.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 24, 2017, 04:48:49 PM
I don't know, perhaps we should listen to what Mark has to say about it before jumping to conclusions. Maybe John is telling the truth but we don't know if he's telling everything.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: jbaent on April 24, 2017, 05:11:51 PM
There are always two sides in every story and we usually believe Mark's side as we are fans... And sometimes we might be wrong doing it.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Crusty on April 24, 2017, 06:09:38 PM
Remember how MK "forgot" all about his "great friend" Jack Soni ...
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: border_reiver on April 24, 2017, 06:51:37 PM
Funny how they zoom in on the headstock at the end, yet Illsley leaves out "-Suhr".  ;)
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on April 24, 2017, 07:28:32 PM
Funny how they zoom in on the headstock at the end, yet Illsley leaves out "-Suhr".  ;)

Yeah... to my this situation is simple.

Mark played on a Pensa-Suhr guitar, not on a Pensa guitar. Whatever happened between the two (what COULD possibly happen between a musician and a guitar builder, anyway?), leaving the whole role of an original builder is like Stalin removing Trotsky from official photographs — plain stupid.

Everybody can see the name on the headstock yet he talks about the first part only. Ridiculous. I hope J. Suhr will get his answers some day.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: holaknopfler on April 24, 2017, 09:16:25 PM
Funny how they zoom in on the headstock at the end, yet Illsley leaves out "-Suhr".  ;)

Yeah... to my this situation is simple.

Mark played on a Pensa-Suhr guitar, not on a Pensa guitar. Whatever happened between the two (what COULD possibly happen between a musician and a guitar builder, anyway?), leaving the whole role of an original builder is like Stalin removing Trotsky from official photographs — plain stupid.

Everybody can see the name on the headstock yet he talks about the first part only. Ridiculous. I hope J. Suhr will get his answers some day.

Completely agree with you
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: border_reiver on April 24, 2017, 09:25:12 PM
what COULD possibly happen between a musician and a guitar builder, anyway?

Then you haven't heard about amp builder Mr. Alexander Dumble  ;D
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on April 24, 2017, 11:17:46 PM
Very sad story indeed... as a kid the Pensa-Suhr always fascinated me, much more than the Strat or Les Paul, sad to read the disputes.

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This guitar was only built by me. I was told it needed to be ready for the Mandela concert so I had to rush the paint. I remember it all very clearly. Sour grapes I'm afraid when I left.

Yes correct, I think I had less than a week to paint and build it. I was scared it would stick to the case it was so new.

This is the part I find hard to believe. At such a massive gig, why would Mark take the risk to play a guitar that has just been finished and hasn't been batlle-tested at all. An enormous risk if you ask me considering he had enough guitars to choose from even then.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Crusty on April 25, 2017, 12:08:47 AM
Very sad story indeed... as a kid the Pensa-Suhr always fascinated me, much more than the Strat or Les Paul, sad to read the disputes.

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This guitar was only built by me. I was told it needed to be ready for the Mandela concert so I had to rush the paint. I remember it all very clearly. Sour grapes I'm afraid when I left.

Yes correct, I think I had less than a week to paint and build it. I was scared it would stick to the case it was so new.

This is the part I find hard to believe. At such a massive gig, why would Mark take the risk to play a guitar that has just been finished and hasn't been batlle-tested at all. An enormous risk if you ask me considering he had enough guitars to choose from even then.

MK knowed John Suhr from many years and John have built many guitar for MK before that. MK trusted John, simply.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 25, 2017, 04:25:47 PM
Very sad story indeed... as a kid the Pensa-Suhr always fascinated me, much more than the Strat or Les Paul, sad to read the disputes.

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This guitar was only built by me. I was told it needed to be ready for the Mandela concert so I had to rush the paint. I remember it all very clearly. Sour grapes I'm afraid when I left.

Yes correct, I think I had less than a week to paint and build it. I was scared it would stick to the case it was so new.

This is the part I find hard to believe. At such a massive gig, why would Mark take the risk to play a guitar that has just been finished and hasn't been batlle-tested at all. An enormous risk if you ask me considering he had enough guitars to choose from even then.

Agreed. I don't think it's about trusting John or not. Mark doesn't change guitars every two songs to show off his collection, guitars can be set up in different ways to get different tones and textures and some guitars are better suited to styles of music than others. Mark wanted a versatile guitar that allowed him not to switch instruments mid-set and Rudy/John built one for him, but taking it out of the case straight to such a huge gig doesn't sound like something our man would do.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: jbaent on April 25, 2017, 04:41:22 PM
That guitar was used in the Warm Up Gigs at Hammersmith Odeon as well and, I can't recall if it was before or after the Mandela show but, it was used at the Prince's Trust concert at the RAH with Clapton and Elton John so maybe John Suhr was a bit exaggerated about the rush...
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Ingo on April 25, 2017, 10:01:02 PM
Something similar appeared  in a Pensa ad, showing a picture of the Pensa-Suhr  with a photoshopped head saying Pensa only:

http://www.mk-guitar.com/2014/01/04/photoshopped-mk1-in-official-pensa-ad/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2014/01/04/photoshopped-mk1-in-official-pensa-ad/)
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on April 25, 2017, 11:05:26 PM
Something similar appeared  in a Pensa ad, showing a picture of the Pensa-Suhr  with a photoshopped head saying Pensa only:

http://www.mk-guitar.com/2014/01/04/photoshopped-mk1-in-official-pensa-ad/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2014/01/04/photoshopped-mk1-in-official-pensa-ad/)

Wow, this is fishy as hell...

I only can remember our Russian Orthodox Church leader photoshopping his €30k Breguet watches from the picture, but I can't imagine Mark doing this. Okay, we got you, you basically hate John Suhr. But why to do all this stuff? You can't change the history or it will look like this. I demand answers!
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Crusty on April 25, 2017, 11:17:37 PM
Rudy closer friend from MK, and MK helping Rudy to make more business and not give attention to Suhr guitar.

But a bad form. Not consequence with picture of MK gentleman.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: JF on April 26, 2017, 11:10:46 AM
That guitar was used in the Warm Up Gigs at Hammersmith Odeon as well and, I can't recall if it was before or after the Mandela show but, it was used at the Prince's Trust concert at the RAH with Clapton and Elton John so maybe John Suhr was a bit exaggerated about the rush...

yes we talked about that last year :

http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=4881.msg107390#msg107390 (http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=4881.msg107390#msg107390)
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on April 27, 2017, 12:48:36 AM
On Jeroen's website it says there was actually two Pensa-Suhr guitars... maybe Mark played different guitar before the Mandela show?
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: dmg on April 27, 2017, 12:12:04 PM
On Jeroen's website it says there was actually two Pensa-Suhr guitars... maybe Mark played different guitar before the Mandela show?

Now that opens a can of worms!  I loved both the sound and his playing at the Princes Trust concert 1988, especially on I Don't Wanna Go On With You Like That.  Superb.  Of course he did look to be in a good mood that night but far more serious at the other show.

Get well soon Elton BTW.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: MK_live on April 27, 2017, 03:10:28 PM
No, that's not what I mention on my site at all. PT88 and Mandela is the same guitar.

Part from site:
Hand built by John Suhr in de late eighties, a guitar with an interesting story. The guitar first debuted in public during the Prince's Trust gala on 5th & 6th June 1988. Just a week later, it was used on the Nelson Mandela's 70th birthday concert in 1988 and it was Mark's main guitar from 1988 until 1993
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Crusty on April 27, 2017, 03:56:24 PM
Before yellow Pensa Suhr gitar, MK play black Pensa Shur guitar.
http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/MK_guitars_pensasuhr_black_magazines.jpg (http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/MK_guitars_pensasuhr_black_magazines.jpg)
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: MK_live on April 27, 2017, 04:06:38 PM
True, but that one has nothing to do with Mandela or PT88 and i don't think John Suhr was referring to the black one as that guitar was already used in 1987.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Crusty on April 27, 2017, 05:18:12 PM
True, but that one has nothing to do with Mandela or PT88 and i don't think John Suhr was referring to the black one as that guitar was already used in 1987.

Sorry I wasnt reading to much carefully.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on April 27, 2017, 11:00:40 PM
Well then my next theory would be that John simply mixed the Mandela and PT88 gigs up.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: MK_live on April 28, 2017, 02:55:17 PM
This is what I found on a forum years ago:

http://oneverybootleg.nl/MK001_story.htm

Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Eddie Fox on April 28, 2017, 03:37:57 PM
Ok, I don't wanna sound naive, I know Mark's not perfect, nobody is, but... is there any chance Rudy lied to him about who built the guitar? This whole thing is so weird. I see three possible scenarios here:

1. John is telling the truth and for some reason Mark is favoring Rudy;
2. John is lying, Rudy built it just like it was shown in Guitar Stories;
3. Rudy lied to Mark and Mark believes he built it.

I'm inclined to believe the first option is the truth...
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: jbaent on April 28, 2017, 07:45:11 PM
As long as I know Rudy don't built guitars, they have people who does it in his shop... At least it was like that in the 80's and 90's...
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: tobi777 on April 28, 2017, 08:45:07 PM
Neither do I know John Suhr personally nor Rudy Pensa. But I'm inclined to believe John.

He has proven over the years that he makes world class instruments. His career really took off after he left Pensa. So he wouldn't be in a sore need of telling everybody about his point of view.
I doubt if Rudy Pensa ever built one guitar on his own. I always thought he was more of a business man and some other builders create these guitars on behalf of Pensa.
In case of doubt I tend to believe the renowned guitar builder instead of the shrewd business man...

I've also heard a lot good things about Suhr as a person, how he runs his business and how he gets along with his customers - and many negative remarks about Pensa's shop in New York where you have to be a star to be treated nicely - at least these are the rumours.

Additionally the story with the napkin sounds great but highly improbable.

But even if Suhr just built it and Pensa was the "brain" behind it - I think it's highly unfair to not at least mention John Suhr - for god's sake his name was on the headstock!
Mark should know it better and this is not a very nice move - considering how long he played this guitar and how important it must have been to him in former years!
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: jbaent on April 28, 2017, 10:07:36 PM
Mk is Rudy's friend for long time ago. John probably was for MK one of Rudy's worker, so he will stand with Rudy always.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: border_reiver on April 28, 2017, 10:42:17 PM

I've also heard a lot good things about Suhr as a person, how he runs his business and how he gets along with his customers - and many negative remarks about Pensa's shop in New York where you have to be a star to be treated nicely - at least these are the rumours.


Definately untrue.

I was there in 2006 myself and spoke with Rudy. Fantastic man. I only bought a leather guitar strap (which he signed) and a lap steel tone bar. But from my point of view he treated everyone in the shop as equals.

I even got to play a -37 Style O in the shop.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: ds1984 on April 28, 2017, 10:52:27 PM
Mk is Rudy's friend for long time ago. John probably was for MK one of Rudy's worker, so he will stand with Rudy always.

Right. I don't know the exact date when things started but Mark was already a Rudy's Music Stop "customer" in the early 80's.
And this is were Jack Sonni was working at the time before being involved in BIA recording.

" Jack Sonni was one of the fans who squeezed into the Bottom Lineto see Dire Straits' first New York show in '79. Jack worked at Rudy's Music Shop, a guitar store on 48th Street, and was delighted when David and then Mark Knopfler began patronizing the store and chewing the fat. David even invited Jack to come visit him in London. When Jack got there he commented on how wild it was that David had no bars on his windows. Jack Sonni is a true New Yorker.

Jack had bars on HIS windows. He lived in a tiny, seedy ground floor in Hell's Kitchen. The toilet didn't even flush. When Mark Knopfler would come by to play on Jack's spare guitar it was a perfect study in how differently fortune can treat two talented musicians. Jack and Knopfler would sit with the window open, playing guitars in the little room. Then Mark would go off to Europe or the Carribean and Jack would go back to the little guitar shop.

Just before Christmas in 1984 Knopfler approached Jack with a problem. Hal Lindes, the guitarist who replaced David, had been fired and the group had a world tour coming up. Could Jack possibly see leaving the guitar store to join Dire Straits? Legend has it that Jack Sonni's head made a sizable indentation in Rudy's ceiling. And Rudy's has a high ceiling.

Knopfler said to his manager, "It's nice to play father Christmas."

"Jack was in a real bad way for a real long time," Knopfler explains. "Frustration, just working at his guitar. I said to him, 'Just one condition. Whatever I do, man, try your damnedest not to let it affect our friendship."

Source : MUSICIAN Sept. 1985. It is written by Bill Flanagan. - DIRE STRAITS' MARK KNOPFLER - "An Inside Look at the Outside Man"



Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on April 29, 2017, 12:05:08 AM
Just before Christmas in 1984 Knopfler approached Jack with a problem. Hal Lindes, the guitarist who replaced David, had been fired and the group had a world tour coming up. Could Jack possibly see leaving the guitar store to join Dire Straits? Legend has it that Jack Sonni's head made a sizable indentation in Rudy's ceiling. And Rudy's has a high ceiling.

It's always fun to read things like that as if Mark had absolutely nothing to do with Hal Lindes being fired. I'm a huge fan of an old saying "there's no smoke without fire", so as much as I love Mark, I'm not on his side in this situation. Besides, if I were Rudy, and if he really doesn't build guitars himself, why on Earth he put his name on the guitar? It doesn't make any sense, like, if somebody gave Michelangelo the money to do The Pietà, that automatically means he can put his signature on it? I can understand Paul Reed Smith, because he's a master luthier. But Rudy?

I hope John would register on this forum to clear as much of confusion as possible.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Crusty on April 30, 2017, 11:42:52 AM
Just before Christmas in 1984 Knopfler approached Jack with a problem. Hal Lindes, the guitarist who replaced David, had been fired and the group had a world tour coming up. Could Jack possibly see leaving the guitar store to join Dire Straits? Legend has it that Jack Sonni's head made a sizable indentation in Rudy's ceiling. And Rudy's has a high ceiling.

It's always fun to read things like that as if Mark had absolutely nothing to do with Hal Lindes being fired. I'm a huge fan of an old saying "there's no smoke without fire", so as much as I love Mark, I'm not on his side in this situation. Besides, if I were Rudy, and if he really doesn't build guitars himself, why on Earth he put his name on the guitar? It doesn't make any sense, like, if somebody gave Michelangelo the money to do The Pietà, that automatically means he can put his signature on it? I can understand Paul Reed Smith, because he's a master luthier. But Rudy?

I hope John would register on this forum to clear as much of confusion as possible.

Rudy is businessmen. Leo Fender too was buisnesmen - he devloped guitars, but did not make one. His name is on the guitar anyway. Paul Red SMith do not build guitars today personally (if I know correctly), Tom Anderson too. David Schecter also long time ago.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Pottel on May 01, 2017, 04:20:43 PM
Very sad story indeed... as a kid the Pensa-Suhr always fascinated me, much more than the Strat or Les Paul, sad to read the disputes.

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This guitar was only built by me. I was told it needed to be ready for the Mandela concert so I had to rush the paint. I remember it all very clearly. Sour grapes I'm afraid when I left.

Yes correct, I think I had less than a week to paint and build it. I was scared it would stick to the case it was so new.

This is the part I find hard to believe. At such a massive gig, why would Mark take the risk to play a guitar that has just been finished and hasn't been batlle-tested at all. An enormous risk if you ask me considering he had enough guitars to choose from even then.
it was battle tested in the two warm-up shows.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Pottel on May 01, 2017, 04:25:13 PM
Mk is Rudy's friend for long time ago. John probably was for MK one of Rudy's worker, so he will stand with Rudy always.
most plausible explanation i think.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on May 04, 2017, 10:33:54 PM
I just realised there's only Mark in the "players" section on Pensa's website LOL: http://www.pensaguitars.com/players-1/
And to be die honest I never seen anybody playing his guitars except maybe of MK/DS tribute bands and guitar collectors.

Whereas Suhr guitars are pretty popular, and even Mark's favourite teacher on YouTube plays on one of those (JustinGuitar (https://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe)).
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: jbaent on May 05, 2017, 11:12:45 AM
I just realised there's only Mark in the "players" section on Pensa's website LOL: http://www.pensaguitars.com/players-1/
And to be die honest I never seen anybody playing his guitars except maybe of MK/DS tribute bands and guitar collectors.

Whereas Suhr guitars are pretty popular, and even Mark's favourite teacher on YouTube plays on one of those (JustinGuitar (https://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe)).

Actually most of the tribute bands players I know have a Suhr version of the MK guitar, and not the one that Pensa makes nowadays.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on May 05, 2017, 03:19:56 PM
I just realised there's only Mark in the "players" section on Pensa's website LOL: http://www.pensaguitars.com/players-1/
And to be die honest I never seen anybody playing his guitars except maybe of MK/DS tribute bands and guitar collectors.

Whereas Suhr guitars are pretty popular, and even Mark's favourite teacher on YouTube plays on one of those (JustinGuitar (https://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe)).

Actually most of the tribute bands players I know have a Suhr version of the MK guitar, and not the one that Pensa makes nowadays.

Really? Nevertheless it's even more funny ;D
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Eddie Fox on May 05, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
I just realised there's only Mark in the "players" section on Pensa's website LOL: http://www.pensaguitars.com/players-1/
And to be die honest I never seen anybody playing his guitars except maybe of MK/DS tribute bands and guitar collectors.

Whereas Suhr guitars are pretty popular, and even Mark's favourite teacher on YouTube plays on one of those (JustinGuitar (https://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe)).

Mark's favourite teacher?  :think Does Mark know him?? I do, he's awesome, but I didn't know Mark did too. That's funny.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on May 05, 2017, 06:29:09 PM
I just realised there's only Mark in the "players" section on Pensa's website LOL: http://www.pensaguitars.com/players-1/
And to be die honest I never seen anybody playing his guitars except maybe of MK/DS tribute bands and guitar collectors.

Whereas Suhr guitars are pretty popular, and even Mark's favourite teacher on YouTube plays on one of those (JustinGuitar (https://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe)).

Mark's favourite teacher?  :think Does Mark know him?? I do, he's awesome, but I didn't know Mark did too. That's funny.

Not only that! What if I told you, that Mark's official website gets the most clicks from where? From Justin's website, because of this:

(https://pp.userapi.com/c836538/v836538999/4710d/wErf6DrFqbQ.jpg)

There's also quotes from Richard Bennett and Tommy Emmanuel to name a few. Also, Mark recommended him a couple of times through the Guy's forum. Justin is a cool guy, from all the free YouTube guitar teachers he certainly is ?1, I use his lessons as one of inspirations for my own lessons.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Eddie Fox on May 05, 2017, 07:15:06 PM
I just realised there's only Mark in the "players" section on Pensa's website LOL: http://www.pensaguitars.com/players-1/
And to be die honest I never seen anybody playing his guitars except maybe of MK/DS tribute bands and guitar collectors.

Whereas Suhr guitars are pretty popular, and even Mark's favourite teacher on YouTube plays on one of those (JustinGuitar (https://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe)).

Mark's favourite teacher?  :think Does Mark know him?? I do, he's awesome, but I didn't know Mark did too. That's funny.

Not only that! What if I told you, that Mark's official website gets the most clicks from where? From Justin's website, because of this:

(https://pp.userapi.com/c836538/v836538999/4710d/wErf6DrFqbQ.jpg)

There's also quotes from Richard Bennett and Tommy Emmanuel to name a few. Also, Mark recommended him a couple of times through the Guy's forum. Justin is a cool guy, from all the free YouTube guitar teachers he certainly is ?1, I use his lessons as one of inspirations for my own lessons.

That's so cool! Justin is one heck of a teacher and a great guitar player as well. Thanks for the info, I didn't know that.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on May 05, 2017, 07:35:58 PM
That's so cool! Justin is one heck of a teacher and a great guitar player as well. Thanks for the info, I didn't know that.

That's cool indeed, although the love seems a bit one-sided, because from over 1000 videos Justin have just a few videos on Mark's music, namely WOL, BIA, SOS, R&J and Lady Writer, and I've seen him complaining about small amount of views regarding Lady Writer's solos breakdown.

I kinda don't like solos breakdowns, too, it just doesn't make sense to me, if only it's an epic legendary solo like Sultans.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Eddie Fox on May 05, 2017, 08:32:09 PM
That's so cool! Justin is one heck of a teacher and a great guitar player as well. Thanks for the info, I didn't know that.

That's cool indeed, although the love seems a bit one-sided, because from over 1000 videos Justin have just a few videos on Mark's music, namely WOL, BIA, SOS, R&J and Lady Writer, and I've seen him complaining about small amount of views regarding Lady Writer's solos breakdown.

I kinda don't like solos breakdowns, too, it just doesn't make sense to me, if only it's an epic legendary solo like Sultans.

I think it's a fair number of songs. I saw his Sultans of Swing lesson and he seemed to be a true fan of Mark's. I remember not being able to count how many times he said beautiful referring to Mark's licks, bends and vibratos during the videos  ;D
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Suhr on September 07, 2017, 01:55:57 AM
Very sad story indeed... as a kid the Pensa-Suhr always fascinated me, much more than the Strat or Les Paul, sad to read the disputes.

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This guitar was only built by me. I was told it needed to be ready for the Mandela concert so I had to rush the paint. I remember it all very clearly. Sour grapes I'm afraid when I left.

Yes correct, I think I had less than a week to paint and build it. I was scared it would stick to the case it was so new.

This is the part I find hard to believe. At such a massive gig, why would Mark take the risk to play a guitar that has just been finished and hasn't been batlle-tested at all. An enormous risk if you ask me considering he had enough guitars to choose from even then.

It was battle tested on the Princess Trust 5 days earlier, if he didn't like it he could have picked up any one of an arsenal of guitars. Not much risk. Plus I'm pretty well known for making battle ready guitars. ;-)
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Suhr on September 07, 2017, 02:11:45 AM
Just before Christmas in 1984 Knopfler approached Jack with a problem. Hal Lindes, the guitarist who replaced David, had been fired and the group had a world tour coming up. Could Jack possibly see leaving the guitar store to join Dire Straits? Legend has it that Jack Sonni's head made a sizable indentation in Rudy's ceiling. And Rudy's has a high ceiling.

It's always fun to read things like that as if Mark had absolutely nothing to do with Hal Lindes being fired. I'm a huge fan of an old saying "there's no smoke without fire", so as much as I love Mark, I'm not on his side in this situation. Besides, if I were Rudy, and if he really doesn't build guitars himself, why on Earth he put his name on the guitar? It doesn't make any sense, like, if somebody gave Michelangelo the money to do The Pietà, that automatically means he can put his signature on it? I can understand Paul Reed Smith, because he's a master luthier. But Rudy?

I hope John would register on this forum to clear as much of confusion as possible.

Maybe late but what do you want to know ?
Only confusion for me could be which concert he played first, all I remember was that the goal was for it to be ready for the Mandella Concert but I got it finished as quickly as I could.  Rudy ran the shop and I worked for Rudy, maybe Rudy had built guitars but he never built any when I was there, he put a set of tuning gears on once but that's another story ;-), blueprints on napkins is not realistic and everything else I said is absolutely true.  Rudy was not happy I left and much ugliness followed I don't want to get in to but I needed a decent salary and I felt like things were going nowhere in NYC plus I grew to hate NYC. I just got married and was offered greener pastures and a partnership working with Bob Bradshaw. I believe I gave him 6 months notice and went to sunny CA. Funny enough Rudy and I still talk occasionally, are cordial and he asked me to build a custom run of 25 MK guitars as Pensa-Suhr probably 2 years ago.  He said he would talk to Mark and I never heard back.  He took me and the family out to lunch last time we were in NYC I believe just before the "Guitar Stories" youtube came out.  I just don't get it but as I said things got ugly regarding my name which he felt he owned and trademarked without my knowledge.  Sour grapes, even tried to complain when I worked at Fender.  I'm just amazed at the attempts to try and rewrite history and amazed Mark couldn't even take 10 minutes to say hi to me when I went to see him play locally.  I must have been painted as the devil and someone bought it hook line and sinker.  I started working at Rudy's in 82' and left March 91'
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: border_reiver on September 07, 2017, 08:24:13 AM
Very interesting read!

Welcome John!
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Love Expresso on September 07, 2017, 09:27:45 AM
Sounds exactly like the Kind of story that MK would write a song about normally... ("Rudy and John")...

LE
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: quizzaciously on September 07, 2017, 10:05:56 AM
It's always great to get some insight from the actual heroes of the play. I don't know how many people associate MK with your MK1 guitar, John. People are constantly, "Ah, Knopfler's guitar is that yellow one, right?". And I be like, "No, he plays Strats, Les Pauls nowadays, etc.". But people loved that MK1 guitar!

Here's an insight from me. As a kid I remember watching "On The Night" concert and I thought that this particular guitar is the best guitar in the world, period. I sort of grew up with a picture of this guitar in my head and it's probably the only superstrat that I really like.

With that being said, dropping of the name and altering the history is some serious s*** whatever might be the cause.

But I'm sure we will get the answers sooner or later.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Tobben on September 07, 2017, 10:29:17 AM
Only thing I care about is that the MK1 sounds and look awesome.. You should be proud John! :)
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Eddie Fox on September 07, 2017, 07:25:41 PM
Perhaps Mark and Rudy did have the conversation and John didn't know about it? In the end it sounds like Rudy desperately wanted to promote himself and Mark went with the flow to help his mate out.

Sounds dodgy though. Never good to hide the truth.
Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Eddie Fox on September 07, 2017, 07:32:54 PM
Does anyone know who builds those new MK Pensa models?

Title: Re: John Surh on dropping his name in "Guitar Stories" documentary
Post by: Pottel on September 07, 2017, 10:10:51 PM
best suhr bit, imho (and yes John, one hell of a legacy!)
Paris:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lU_rPS4PRM
Munich:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXJNRJhk7KE
and then the polished version (but still, boy that sound...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAoZPCWQN74 (too bad there is no vid online of the official on the night release)
Welcome on here Mr. Suhr!