Post by: ybot on September 24, 2017, 03:13:08 PM
1977(the beginning) 1980(tv broadcasts) 1983(alchemy and other live gigs) 1985/1986(bia tour) 1988(mandela) 1991/1993(OES) and his solo carreer but I believe the choice is by 1983 to 1993-
What do you think?
regards
ybot
Post by: rmarques821 on September 24, 2017, 06:13:11 PM
Post by: ybot on September 24, 2017, 06:50:02 PM
1985 had many live gigs to highlight.
Post by: jbaent on September 24, 2017, 08:16:18 PM
Now, it's a different story.
Post by: ybot on September 24, 2017, 08:44:11 PM
Post by: the visitor on September 24, 2017, 11:31:13 PM
Mandela sounded full of confidence. OES always felt bittersweet.
Post by: Darling Pretty on September 24, 2017, 11:44:47 PM
From 1977 to 2017
MK is always at his best
Only his Guitar playing suffered after his Motorcycle accident 2003
Post by: quizzaciously on September 24, 2017, 11:54:10 PM
Very simple...
From 1977 to 2017
MK is always at his best
Only his Guitar playing suffered after his Motorcycle accident 2003
You can re-login as Guy Fletcher ;D
Post by: MK-47 on September 25, 2017, 12:01:35 AM
Post by: Eddie Fox on September 25, 2017, 03:17:09 AM
For me it's the On Every Street tour, back in 1991/1992. His playing back then was so fluid, so intense...Sometimes it looked like the strings were about to melt.
Couldn't agree more. He was on fire, concert after concert. That Dublin bootleg is scary!
Post by: ybot on September 25, 2017, 03:31:02 AM
We all have got our preferencies. I play the guitar and I guess some of you too.
I think we can see Mark´s performance through the years by his main solos, SOS TOL MFN Telegraph road Pr Investigations and others
Post by: Ingo on September 25, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
Personally I like all the very early stuff best, you know the '77 pub rock thing (just listen to that 8 track recording of Eastbound Train from the Hopes&Anchor pub, imagine we would have the whole recording of that gig :clap.
Basically he is always more than great :)
Post by: jbaent on September 25, 2017, 03:33:36 PM
Post by: Ingo on September 25, 2017, 06:07:13 PM
Which 8 tracks from which Hope and anchor recording?
Not 8 tracks, only one song (Eastbound Train). It was recorded on an 8-track tape machine. I can imagine that other songs from that gig were also recorded but were never published, just like the Communique demos-
Post by: jbaent on September 25, 2017, 06:09:36 PM
Post by: ybot on September 25, 2017, 06:15:24 PM
He changed arrangements and sounds between 1986 to 1993.
SOS had a huge twist from 1985 to mandela 88
Post by: jbaent on September 25, 2017, 06:19:27 PM
Post by: Pottel on September 25, 2017, 08:30:39 PM
communiqué demos? what did i miss here (or forgot)?Which 8 tracks from which Hope and anchor recording?
Not 8 tracks, only one song (Eastbound Train). It was recorded on an 8-track tape machine. I can imagine that other songs from that gig were also recorded but were never published, just like the Communique demos-
Post by: Pottel on September 25, 2017, 08:33:53 PM
DS played two charity gigs in 1989, in Newcastle and Egham. Last Terry Williams concerts with the band.really like the one we have, still to this date i do not know whether we have egham or newcastle
not sure but i think my favourite periods are:
most of 78
79 march shows
83
85 oct. nov-
1988 with EC
91 august
92 feb
96 early and end
90 nhb, ....awesome playing there
2002 nhb
2005 beginning, before they came to europe and the beginning of europe
the bob thing, think he was really good on that tour
2015 mostly.
so all basically..
Post by: dmg on September 25, 2017, 08:40:20 PM
Mandela's time was terrific too. But, he only played in july 1988 mandela and prince trust. I believe DS did not play live gigs in 1987 1989. Just Mandela , Prince trust 1988 and Knebworth 1990.
He changed arrangements and sounds between 1986 to 1993.
SOS had a huge twist from 1985 to mandela 88
Too busy touring with EC. N America/Japan tour in '88, and a number of RAH shows in Jan '87 and Jan/Feb '88 and '89. Four other EC shows in '87 too (Paris, Brussels and 2 in Manchester).
Then he did a couple of TV promos with Randy Newman.
Post by: ybot on September 25, 2017, 09:02:37 PM
And notting hllbillies: why mark did so?
He seems to be an isolated man
Post by: jbaent on September 25, 2017, 09:38:44 PM
Post by: ybot on September 25, 2017, 09:49:56 PM
And the guitar of Nhillbillies.
After Mandela and 1989 he had to get new backing guitarrist and drumer.
We saw Mark at Knebworth with Phil Palmer . 1990.
I remember seen the Knebworth broadcast live in 1990 and thought Mark and DS were about to break up.
Extraordinary MFN and love you too much at Knebworth. With a help of EC
I did not like his solid rock solos
Post by: schmonka on September 26, 2017, 02:52:03 AM
For example, the OTN album, it may not tick a lot of people's boxes, but for me YATF off that album is pretty much it for me.
The way the song builds with PF, trading solo's to an epic climax....that's pretty much my go to "loose myself" track...I'm thankful I've got that copy, as Munich YAYF just doesn't have the sound quality and I cant find another soundboard recording....
Post by: Mossguitar on September 26, 2017, 06:58:46 AM
Post by: dmg on September 26, 2017, 01:25:32 PM
MK vas at his absolute best from 79 to 81 and in 96 and from 2010 and on. 91/92 he was and played boring. That was his worse periode.
I tend to agree to a point. Although some of his playing was great on some tracks it felt lazy on others and he made a surprising number of mistakes right up until the 2nd European leg when finally he got his act together.
Personally I think he peaked on the BIA tour. Just listen to the solos on Sultans and ToL - nailed them effortlessly and with great energy every show of the tour. Can't say that for the earlier shows on the OES tour, especially ToL. Even his singing was more energetic on the BIA tour.
Post by: Mossguitar on September 26, 2017, 01:58:21 PM
Yes, I agreeMK vas at his absolute best from 79 to 81 and in 96 and from 2010 and on. 91/92 he was and played boring. That was his worse periode.
I tend to agree to a point. Although some of his playing was great on some tracks it felt lazy on others and he made a surprising number of mistakes right up until the 2nd European leg when finally he got his act together.
Personally I think he peaked on the BIA tour. Just listen to the solos on Sultans and ToL - nailed them effortlessly and with great energy every show of the tour. Can't say that for the earlier shows on the OES tour, especially ToL. Even his singing was more energetic on the BIA tour.
Post by: ybot on September 27, 2017, 06:33:20 AM
79/81 lacked of his solo refurnishes
He had mistakes at some of his gigs by 91 92 and yes he looked bored sometimes.
We could take his voice as a sign of general condition. At 91 92 he had almost half of his gigs with boring way
Bia 1985 1986 could get the thropy.
I believe Mandela day(reheasals too) had his last time .
Post by: JF on September 27, 2017, 10:17:20 PM
communiqué demos? what did i miss here (or forgot)?
it's explained in the Oldifeld book, something like : when they went to Nassau in december 78 to record the album, all songs had already been recorded by the band in London around october-november 78, as "demos". Note that The WDYTYG version from MFN comp comes from these sessions.
Barry Beckett said : "the album is already done, we just have to do it again !"
I must admit that these demos are my holygrail. We already have demos for the 1st album, and some session stuff from Making movies, so these demos would make the whole early days era, regarding studio stuff. imagine all songs from communique sounding like this version on MFN comp...
why don't they release a "deluxe" communique version ? (like it has been done for many other artists) the real album, and the same on with demos versions
yes I know...they 're only looking forward....
Post by: Pottel on September 27, 2017, 10:51:03 PM
True. So sad dat....communiqué demos? what did i miss here (or forgot)?
it's explained in the Oldifeld book, something like : when they went to Nassau in december 78 to record the album, all songs had already been recorded by the band in London around october-november 78, as "demos". Note that The WDYTYG version from MFN comp comes from these sessions.
Barry Beckett said : "the album is already done, we just have to do it again !"
I must admit that these demos are my holygrail. We already have demos for the 1st album, and some session stuff from Making movies, so these demos would make the whole early days era, regarding studio stuff. imagine all songs from communique sounding like this version on MFN comp...
why don't they release a "deluxe" communique version ? (like it has been done for many other artists) the real album, and the same on with demos versions
yes I know...they 're only looking forward....
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Post by: Eddie Fox on September 28, 2017, 07:01:09 PM
From the KTGC tour on his playing has been drastically shifting toward a more economic approach to soloing. He's clearly less fluid and precise as well. Still Mark but not as exciting and impressive as he used to be. I know some fans prefer to live in denial and say he's still the same but he isn't.
Post by: herlock on September 29, 2017, 12:33:41 AM
Still, I don't know why, but Sion 2015 is the most played concert on my playlist. I don't know if it is emotional because it is the last I saw, the sound quality or the performance... TR is definitely slower than in 2005, yet it is very warm, clear, well balanced even with the karaoke mode, and I'm not sure it is "worse" than in 2005. Just different, maybe for the best. SOS, SAN, HFB, GH, YLT are very good on this gig. And I find BIA in 2015, albeit not played very often, the best since 1985: flute intro, synth, faster than in 1996/2001, retaking the good old Les Paul...and KOG in Paris was amazing.
I quite don't understand why so many people think 2015 was a bad year. Different, slower than early years, but clearer, more emotional. A good year to me !
Post by: jbaent on September 29, 2017, 11:00:07 AM
Guys, we seem to be ignoring the fact that Mark's playing is heavily influenced by the band. As a four-piece DS allowed Mark to be more subtle and dynamic but as the band grew bigger he had to adapt. The OES tour band was huge, he had to focus more on speed, aggressive vibratos and bends, thicker tones and a heavier overdrive sound. I think it's fair to say Mark was in top form from 1977 to the SL tour.
From the KTGC tour on his playing has been drastically shifting toward a more economic approach to soloing. He's clearly less fluid and precise as well. Still Mark but not as exciting and impressive as he used to be. I know some fans prefer to live in denial and say he's still the same but he isn't.
That's the reason why nowadays the two most important musicians in his band are McCusker and McGoldrick, and the set is kind of adapted to songs where they can play, and, let's say it this way, he has to play less... Also, Nigel Hitchcock addition has a lot to do with this, every musician that is added means he has to play less or his guitar is less important in the songs.
I´m sure that if he has to choose between one of his keyboard players, or even Richard Bennett, or the Mc's, the Mc's will stay for sure.
Post by: Mossguitar on September 30, 2017, 01:23:55 AM
I would tend to agree on paper.2015 was great!
Still, I don't know why, but Sion 2015 is the most played concert on my playlist. I don't know if it is emotional because it is the last I saw, the sound quality or the performance... TR is definitely slower than in 2005, yet it is very warm, clear, well balanced even with the karaoke mode, and I'm not sure it is "worse" than in 2005. Just different, maybe for the best. SOS, SAN, HFB, GH, YLT are very good on this gig. And I find BIA in 2015, albeit not played very often, the best since 1985: flute intro, synth, faster than in 1996/2001, retaking the good old Les Paul...and KOG in Paris was amazing.
I quite don't understand why so many people think 2015 was a bad year. Different, slower than early years, but clearer, more emotional. A good year to me !
Post by: dmg on September 30, 2017, 12:38:56 PM
I would tend to agree on paper.
Still, I don't know why, but Sion 2015 is the most played concert on my playlist. I don't know if it is emotional because it is the last I saw, the sound quality or the performance... TR is definitely slower than in 2005, yet it is very warm, clear, well balanced even with the karaoke mode, and I'm not sure it is "worse" than in 2005. Just different, maybe for the best. SOS, SAN, HFB, GH, YLT are very good on this gig. And I find BIA in 2015, albeit not played very often, the best since 1985: flute intro, synth, faster than in 1996/2001, retaking the good old Les Paul...and KOG in Paris was amazing.
I quite don't understand why so many people think 2015 was a bad year. Different, slower than early years, but clearer, more emotional. A good year to me !
Let's not base a whole tour on one single show now! Compared to the next tour 2015 probably will be a good year anyway.
HFB - time to drop it. Only a handful of good versions from the entire tour.
YLT - never been a good live song - album version far exceeds this. Poor on the OES tour and even weaker now. Merely an excuse for NH to get in the limelight.
TR was dropped later in the tour anyway. The reintroduction of OES is a nice idea but poorly executed and not welcomed at the expense of TR.
Post by: Mossguitar on September 30, 2017, 01:27:45 PM
We obviously live in very different worlds musically. And that’s perfectly all rightI would tend to agree on paper.
Still, I don't know why, but Sion 2015 is the most played concert on my playlist. I don't know if it is emotional because it is the last I saw, the sound quality or the performance... TR is definitely slower than in 2005, yet it is very warm, clear, well balanced even with the karaoke mode, and I'm not sure it is "worse" than in 2005. Just different, maybe for the best. SOS, SAN, HFB, GH, YLT are very good on this gig. And I find BIA in 2015, albeit not played very often, the best since 1985: flute intro, synth, faster than in 1996/2001, retaking the good old Les Paul...and KOG in Paris was amazing.
I quite don't understand why so many people think 2015 was a bad year. Different, slower than early years, but clearer, more emotional. A good year to me !
Let's not base a whole tour on one single show now! Compared to the next tour 2015 probably will be a good year anyway.
HFB - time to drop it. Only a handful of good versions from the entire tour.
YLT - never been a good live song - album version far exceeds this. Poor on the OES tour and even weaker now. Merely an excuse for NH to get in the limelight.
TR was dropped later in the tour anyway. The reintroduction of OES is a nice idea but poorly executed and not welcomed at the expense of TR.
YLT was a good idea and was greatly played during the last tour. Chris White ruined it a bit for me with Dire Strats, but apart from that, I have always liked the live versions of that song. OES was a great idea and I liked very much how they played it on the last tour.
I couldn’t care less about the setlists. All I care about is that he still plays. But I always like it if he plays a song I haven’t heard for a wile. When it comes to MK, it’s the sound, the feel, the tone and the voice I am after.
Post by: Eddie Fox on September 30, 2017, 04:26:23 PM
Guys, we seem to be ignoring the fact that Mark's playing is heavily influenced by the band. As a four-piece DS allowed Mark to be more subtle and dynamic but as the band grew bigger he had to adapt. The OES tour band was huge, he had to focus more on speed, aggressive vibratos and bends, thicker tones and a heavier overdrive sound. I think it's fair to say Mark was in top form from 1977 to the SL tour.
From the KTGC tour on his playing has been drastically shifting toward a more economic approach to soloing. He's clearly less fluid and precise as well. Still Mark but not as exciting and impressive as he used to be. I know some fans prefer to live in denial and say he's still the same but he isn't.
That's the reason why nowadays the two most important musicians in his band are McCusker and McGoldrick, and the set is kind of adapted to songs where they can play, and, let's say it this way, he has to play less... Also, Nigel Hitchcock addition has a lot to do with this, every musician that is added means he has to play less or his guitar is less important in the songs.
I´m sure that if he has to choose between one of his keyboard players, or even Richard Bennett, or the Mc's, the Mc's will stay for sure.
You said it all. I'm still not sure if Mark is still able to deliver outstanding guitar playing on a regular basis but chooses not to or simply can't do it at all though. Perhaps he can't be bothered putting himself through all the practice that's required to reach that level again?
All I know is that despite his playing being unique and delightful his solos are much poorer now and he does need to rely on the band to keep up with the songs, especially older stuff.
Post by: rmarques821 on September 30, 2017, 05:47:10 PM
I would tend to agree on paper.
Still, I don't know why, but Sion 2015 is the most played concert on my playlist. I don't know if it is emotional because it is the last I saw, the sound quality or the performance... TR is definitely slower than in 2005, yet it is very warm, clear, well balanced even with the karaoke mode, and I'm not sure it is "worse" than in 2005. Just different, maybe for the best. SOS, SAN, HFB, GH, YLT are very good on this gig. And I find BIA in 2015, albeit not played very often, the best since 1985: flute intro, synth, faster than in 1996/2001, retaking the good old Les Paul...and KOG in Paris was amazing.
I quite don't understand why so many people think 2015 was a bad year. Different, slower than early years, but clearer, more emotional. A good year to me !
Let's not base a whole tour on one single show now! Compared to the next tour 2015 probably will be a good year anyway.
HFB - time to drop it. Only a handful of good versions from the entire tour.
YLT - never been a good live song - album version far exceeds this. Poor on the OES tour and even weaker now. Merely an excuse for NH to get in the limelight.
TR was dropped later in the tour anyway. The reintroduction of OES is a nice idea but poorly executed and not welcomed at the expense of TR.
I disagree with Hill Farmer's Blues. It is, in my opinion, his best solo song. The Padova 2015 version is the best I've ever heard.
Your Latest Trick is a great song played live, the On The Night version is fantastic. However, I agree with you when you say it is weak now. Perhaps it lacks Paul Franklin on pedal steel guitar.
Telegraph Road got dropped because he just can't play the whole thing anymore and the On Every Street introduction is another "excuse" for him to play less, I think. (And it lacks pedal steel guitar)
Post by: ybot on February 17, 2018, 11:45:28 PM
I believe 1985 1986 were his best live gigs due to a help of Jack Sonni too. And 1988 at Mandela with EC
Phil Palmer was not at Jack's level
Hal Hindes was supposed to be great too.
You may listen to Jack rithm guitar at BIA live gigs
I might depend on sound mix too . The same gig with a louder rithm guitar or louder leading guitar can make a change and the recording quality