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Title: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: olazabalrok on November 02, 2017, 10:50:28 AM
I don't generally trust anything going on at the MK fans worldwide group in Facebook but I'll just drop this here (in attachment):
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Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: jbaent on November 02, 2017, 11:18:28 AM
It sounds kind of familiar to me but I'm not sure what it was...
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: quizzaciously on November 02, 2017, 11:34:52 AM
Pretty sure there's so much happening in the "back office" that I won't be surprised if there was a number of DS reunions for people with money or friends. Remember this mysterious bank gig in the US tour? With no recordings and all. Also, all these car-releated shows. So they could have played anywhere, anytime.
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: Pottel on November 02, 2017, 12:37:06 PM
Pretty sure there's so much happening in the "back office" that I won't be surprised if there was a number of DS reunions for people with money or friends. Remember this mysterious bank gig in the US tour? With no recordings and all. Also, all these car-releated shows. So they could have played anywhere, anytime.
some of us were at that BOA gig even....imagine...
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: jbaent on November 02, 2017, 12:38:06 PM
Pretty sure there's so much happening in the "back office" that I won't be surprised if there was a number of DS reunions for people with money or friends. Remember this mysterious bank gig in the US tour? With no recordings and all. Also, all these car-releated shows. So they could have played anywhere, anytime.
some of us were at that BOA gig even....imagine...

Some of you?

BOA?

Elaborate...
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: Pottel on November 02, 2017, 12:39:10 PM
bank of america gig.
i know of at least one person who was there.
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: jbaent on November 02, 2017, 01:54:34 PM
bank of america gig.
i know of at least one person who was there.

That was in 2005 https://web.archive.org/web/20060110202330/http://guyfletcher.co.uk:80/guyedit/2005td/2005tourdiary.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20060110202330/http://guyfletcher.co.uk:80/guyedit/2005td/2005tourdiary.html)
Guy diary entry: https://web.archive.org/web/20051119083839/http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk:80/guyedit/2005td/2005td71.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20051119083839/http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk:80/guyedit/2005td/2005td71.html)
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2017, 02:03:20 PM
Bank of America? Or Bank of England?

LE
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: jbaent on November 02, 2017, 02:07:04 PM
Bank of America? Or Bank of England?

LE

None of them... Private Deutsche Bank gig - London - June 16th 2005
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: MK_live on November 02, 2017, 08:09:09 PM
Interesting, I overlooked it by that time it seems. Is it also clear where that concert actually took place?
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: the visitor on November 02, 2017, 11:25:18 PM
Canary Wharf from memory
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: the visitor on November 02, 2017, 11:28:51 PM
And those private sets of "hits" only i.e. DS only material stink if you ask me. Kind of undermine the whole "looking ahead" argument, which appears can be varied if a banker or car manufacturer offer a load of cash
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: dmg on November 03, 2017, 12:02:26 AM
And those private sets of "hits" only i.e. DS only material stink if you ask me. Kind of undermine the whole "looking ahead" argument, which appears can be varied if a banker or car manufacturer offer a load of cash
:clap
Totally.  We pay our money so why can't we get the songs we want?  We are the true fans who go to gigs every tour, yet he plays what he wants and gives us virtually the same songs every tour!  >:(
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: quizzaciously on November 03, 2017, 12:04:52 AM
bank of america gig.
i know of at least one person who was there.

That was in 2005 https://web.archive.org/web/20060110202330/http://guyfletcher.co.uk:80/guyedit/2005td/2005tourdiary.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20060110202330/http://guyfletcher.co.uk:80/guyedit/2005td/2005tourdiary.html)
Guy diary entry: https://web.archive.org/web/20051119083839/http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk:80/guyedit/2005td/2005td71.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20051119083839/http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk:80/guyedit/2005td/2005td71.html)

Exactly, what I meant was that gig.

And those private sets of "hits" only i.e. DS only material stink if you ask me. Kind of undermine the whole "looking ahead" argument, which appears can be varied if a banker or car manufacturer offer a load of cash

Exactly again. I love the realistic look at things and always laugh when people idolize someone just because he's a cool guy. No, there's big money involved, making music is a full-time job for Mark and of course we can and should judge the outcome of that. And the setlist too!  :disbelief

:clap
Totally.  We pay our money so why can't we get the songs we want?  We are the true fans who go to gigs every tour, yet he plays what he wants and gives us virtually the same songs every tour!  >:(

+1
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: jbaent on November 03, 2017, 08:25:55 AM
I don't generally trust anything going on at the MK fans worldwide group in Facebook but I'll just drop this here (in attachment):
(http://)

Going back to topic, does anyone heard about this?
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: olazabalrok on November 03, 2017, 10:49:01 AM

Going back to topic, does anyone heard about this?

Now there’s a guy claming that a video exists  ;D I don’t know if it’s from the wedding gig or the SA gig or most likely something totally different but let’s see.
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: Hoops McCann on November 04, 2017, 06:23:17 AM

Going back to topic, does anyone heard about this?

Now there’s a guy claming that a video exists  ;D


Paul H? Still funny.  :lol  I wouldn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 04, 2017, 01:27:12 PM
Yeah that was me, a bit of a joke about our old friend Paul Hanlon who claims to have video of the wedding gig, Deutsche Banke, MK's private wedding night video etc... :)
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: binone on November 04, 2017, 08:58:42 PM
Yeah that was me, a bit of a joke about our old friend Paul Hanlon who claims to have video of the wedding gig, Deutsche Banke, MK's private wedding night video etc... :)

Knopfler playing 5 hour in 2008?

Come on....   ;D
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: dmg on November 05, 2017, 12:39:59 PM
Yeah that was me, a bit of a joke about our old friend Paul Hanlon who claims to have video of the wedding gig, Deutsche Banke, MK's private wedding night video etc... :)

Knopfler playing 5 hour in 2008?

Come on....   ;D

Depends how wealthy you are and how much you pay him. He'd probably play TOL too!   :lol
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: Billy’s Tune on November 06, 2017, 09:54:46 PM
Wasn’t that John Illsley’s wedding?
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: Lis on November 08, 2017, 08:12:29 AM
Going back off-topic...

I don't know...  by buying a ticket to a show, I am paying to attend a performance -- that's all.  I am not hiring MK, and I don't think he owes me anything for the price of my ticket -- except, perhaps, an honest effort for a great performance, which he always delivers.     

And by attending a show, I am not commissioning the artist -- that takes considerably more money.  If MK agrees to perform DS songs for a wealthy patron -- then that is his choice.  ...And I should be so lucky to attend!!  :D
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 08, 2017, 01:51:38 PM
In my humble opinion Mark ought to play whatever he wants to play, it's up to the fans to buy tickets or not, especially us who know exactly what we'll be getting. However, there is a substantial number of people who attend Mark's gigs expecting to see "Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits", people that are not really familiar with Mark's solo career and recent setlists. I'll take any chance to see Mark playing live - or signing autographs and driving an old car somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Of course I have my own preferences but you cannot fight the man, just take whatever he wants to give you. Not the best deal but still much better than nothing  :clap
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 08, 2017, 01:53:20 PM

Going back to topic, does anyone heard about this?

Now there’s a guy claming that a video exists  ;D I don’t know if it’s from the wedding gig or the SA gig or most likely something totally different but let’s see.

Probably sold the videos to PC  ;D
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: dmg on November 08, 2017, 02:13:53 PM
In my humble opinion Mark ought to play whatever he wants to play, it's up to the fans to buy tickets or not, especially us who know exactly what we'll be getting. However, there is a substantial number of people who attend Mark's gigs expecting to see "Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits", people that are not really familiar with Mark's solo career and recent setlists. I'll take any chance to see Mark playing live - or signing autographs and driving an old car somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Of course I have my own preferences but you cannot fight the man, just take whatever he wants to give you. Not the best deal but still much better than nothing  :clap

Maybe so and I'll continue to see him despite the fact I'd like to see more DS songs and less Marbletowns.  However, when he can play DS hits for these corporate/private gigs it seems there is one setlist for the wealthy elite and another for the average fan. That is where my issue is. 

There is also the fact that 90% of attendees will be expecting the hits as virtually every other 70s/80s/90s artist provides.  Failure to provide them just kills the atmosphere stone dead, has everyone going out for pee breaks or to the bar, people falling asleep or even leaving before the encores.  Throw in some tunes people want to hear and have the audience leaving happy and enthused about the gig - it surely can't hurt.   :)
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: superval99 on November 08, 2017, 02:27:34 PM
In my humble opinion Mark ought to play whatever he wants to play, it's up to the fans to buy tickets or not, especially us who know exactly what we'll be getting. However, there is a substantial number of people who attend Mark's gigs expecting to see "Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits", people that are not really familiar with Mark's solo career and recent setlists. I'll take any chance to see Mark playing live - or signing autographs and driving an old car somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Of course I have my own preferences but you cannot fight the man, just take whatever he wants to give you. Not the best deal but still much better than nothing  :clap

Maybe so and I'll continue to see him despite the fact I'd like to see more DS songs and less Marbletowns.  However, when he can play DS hits for these corporate/private gigs it seems there is one setlist for the wealthy elite and another for the average fan. That is where my issue is. 

There is also the fact that 90% of attendees will be expecting the hits as virtually every other 70s/80s/90s artist provides.  Failure to provide them just kills the atmosphere stone dead, has everyone going out for pee breaks or to the bar, people falling asleep or even leaving before the encores.  Throw in some tunes people want to hear and have the audience leaving happy and enthused about the gig - it surely can't hurt.

90% of attendees expecting the hits?   After being a solo artist since 1996 I'm pretty sure most of the audience know what to expect by now and as for "everyone" going out for pee breaks, falling asleep or leaving before the encores - not at any of the concerts I have attended and you, dmg, were at quite a few of those too!   

I think most of the audience would be quite disappointed if MK played some of the old DS hits these days, because they would not sound as good as they used to in the day.  I prefer MK to do what he feels most comfortable doing. 

MK is not like every other 70s/80s/90s artist.   He is still writing fantastic songs, which most other artists could only dream of doing - not churning out old hits!
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: dmg on November 08, 2017, 02:43:48 PM


90% of attendees expecting the hits?   After being a solo artist since 1996 I'm pretty sure most of the audience know what to expect by now and as for "everyone" going out for pee breaks, falling asleep or leaving before the encores - not at any of the concerts I have attended and you, dmg, were at quite a few of those too!   

I think most of the audience would be quite disappointed if MK played some of the old DS hits these days, because they would not sound as good as they used to in the day.  I prefer MK to do what he feels most comfortable doing.

Really?  I think there are still lots of DS songs the band could do today and do real justice to. 

I think I have said something before regarding the bar at the SECC (you know what these Weegies are like)  ;).  This left a rowdy section in 2010.  Of course, being seated at the front we don't get a view of what's happening behind us. 

Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 08, 2017, 02:50:05 PM
In my humble opinion Mark ought to play whatever he wants to play, it's up to the fans to buy tickets or not, especially us who know exactly what we'll be getting. However, there is a substantial number of people who attend Mark's gigs expecting to see "Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits", people that are not really familiar with Mark's solo career and recent setlists. I'll take any chance to see Mark playing live - or signing autographs and driving an old car somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Of course I have my own preferences but you cannot fight the man, just take whatever he wants to give you. Not the best deal but still much better than nothing  :clap

Maybe so and I'll continue to see him despite the fact I'd like to see more DS songs and less Marbletowns.  However, when he can play DS hits for these corporate/private gigs it seems there is one setlist for the wealthy elite and another for the average fan. That is where my issue is. 

There is also the fact that 90% of attendees will be expecting the hits as virtually every other 70s/80s/90s artist provides.  Failure to provide them just kills the atmosphere stone dead, has everyone going out for pee breaks or to the bar, people falling asleep or even leaving before the encores.  Throw in some tunes people want to hear and have the audience leaving happy and enthused about the gig - it surely can't hurt.   :)

I agree with you. As I said, I have my own preferences and more DS songs is certainly one of them - as long as he plays them with passion - but let's face the music, that's not Mark, he won't do it. So... I'll take whatever he's willing to provide me with. Not because that's what I want but because that's what I can have. I'm done fighting it - which doesn't mean I won't complain if I feel like doing so  :lol
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: superval99 on November 08, 2017, 03:00:34 PM


90% of attendees expecting the hits?   After being a solo artist since 1996 I'm pretty sure most of the audience know what to expect by now and as for "everyone" going out for pee breaks, falling asleep or leaving before the encores - not at any of the concerts I have attended and you, dmg, were at quite a few of those too!   

I think most of the audience would be quite disappointed if MK played some of the old DS hits these days, because they would not sound as good as they used to in the day.  I prefer MK to do what he feels most comfortable doing.

Really?  I think there are still lots of DS songs the band could do today and do real justice to. 

I think I have said something before regarding the bar at the SECC (you know what these Weegies are like)  ;).  This left a rowdy section in 2010.  Of course, being seated at the front we don't get a view of what's happening behind us.

Yes, I know there are DS songs that MK could still play, but if people were expecting them to sound like before, they might be disappointed, that's all I'm saying. 
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 09, 2017, 01:57:44 PM
I was watching my football team last night and after a great win I caught myself thinking... what if I had footage of something Mark didn't want to be divulged and he personally asked me (through management of course) to hand it over to him and delete any copy I might have, what would I do? I'm not talking about anything dodgy or personal life related, maybe a DS secret reunion of some sort. Because it might be exactly what happened here.

If it was me I'd give it to him straight away. Don't know if I'd delete the copy though. I'd certainly not divulge it but wouldn't deprive myself from having such a souvenir.
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: dmg on November 09, 2017, 05:15:19 PM
I was watching my football team last night and after a great win I caught myself thinking... what if I had footage of something Mark didn't want to be divulged and he personally asked me (through management of course) to hand it over to him and delete any copy I might have, what would I do? I'm not talking about anything dodgy or personal life related, maybe a DS secret reunion of some sort. Because it might be exactly what happened here.

If it was me I'd give it to him straight away. Don't know if I'd delete the copy though. I'd certainly not divulge it but wouldn't deprive myself from having such a souvenir.

Tell him that the price is your own private gig with select members of AMIT!  ;)
Title: Re: Rumour about a gig in South Africa 2008
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 09, 2017, 05:50:56 PM
I was watching my football team last night and after a great win I caught myself thinking... what if I had footage of something Mark didn't want to be divulged and he personally asked me (through management of course) to hand it over to him and delete any copy I might have, what would I do? I'm not talking about anything dodgy or personal life related, maybe a DS secret reunion of some sort. Because it might be exactly what happened here.

If it was me I'd give it to him straight away. Don't know if I'd delete the copy though. I'd certainly not divulge it but wouldn't deprive myself from having such a souvenir.

Tell him that the price is your own private gig with select members of AMIT!  ;)

With all songs and guitars we want. I'm on your team  :clap