A Mark In Time
General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: herlock on May 10, 2018, 09:50:51 AM
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9 months after my crazy trip to Washington, I went to see Roger again in Lyon. The opportunity to meet JF face to face at last ! Very nice to put a face to words ! Passionate conversations about Mark tours, attitude towards RRHOF, Alchemy vs. Wembley, Pensa vs. Les Paul, Schur... :)
And of course, a mind-blowing show as last year... But even more political, to the extent to make me feel inconfortable. Kids dressed as Guantanamo prisoners with there heads covered, Trump Bashing full scale of course, but also a fairly long speech about Palestinians, about Macron forgetting the 1789 Révolution, and the possibility of him being arrested in Paris in June... Almost felt like a Melenchon meeting, for those of you who know about french politics. Public reaction was rather cautious and silent, the applause being more for the excellent music.
Roger is overdoing it, by a long shot... Yet I love this guy. So extreme, so straightforward, so authentic... And the cause of some of the best musical pieces in the word. Cheers Roger ! :)
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9 months after my crazy trip to Washington, I went to see Roger again in Lyon. The opportunity to meet JF face to face at last ! Very nice to put a face to words ! Passionate conversations about Mark tours, attitude towards RRHOF, Alchemy vs. Wembley, Pensa vs. Les Paul, Schur... :)
And of course, a mind-blowing show as last year... But even more political, to the extent to make me feel inconfortable. Kids dressed as Guantanamo prisoners with there heads covered, Trump Bashing full scale of course, but also a fairly long speech about Palestinians, about Macron forgetting the 1789 Révolution, and the possibility of him being arrested in Paris in June... Almost felt like a Melenchon meeting, for those of you who know about french politics. Public reaction was rather cautious and silent, the applause being more for the excellent music.
Roger is overdoing it, by a long shot... Yet I love this guy. So extreme, so straightforward, so authentic... And the cause of some of the best musical pieces in the word. Cheers Roger ! :)
Going to leave this here:
https://www.facebook.com/DavidGilmourtheLegendBo/posts/2158195904205518
That is how rivalries should end!
@markknopfler watch and learn!
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9 months after my crazy trip to Washington, I went to see Roger again in Lyon. The opportunity to meet JF face to face at last ! Very nice to put a face to words ! Passionate conversations about Mark tours, attitude towards RRHOF, Alchemy vs. Wembley, Pensa vs. Les Paul, Schur... :)
And of course, a mind-blowing show as last year... But even more political, to the extent to make me feel inconfortable. Kids dressed as Guantanamo prisoners with there heads covered, Trump Bashing full scale of course, but also a fairly long speech about Palestinians, about Macron forgetting the 1789 Révolution, and the possibility of him being arrested in Paris in June... Almost felt like a Melenchon meeting, for those of you who know about french politics. Public reaction was rather cautious and silent, the applause being more for the excellent music.
Roger is overdoing it, by a long shot... Yet I love this guy. So extreme, so straightforward, so authentic... And the cause of some of the best musical pieces in the word. Cheers Roger ! :)
Going to leave this here:
https://www.facebook.com/DavidGilmourtheLegendBo/posts/2158195904205518
That is how rivalries should end!
@markknopfler watch and learn!
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That's why the Hall Of Fame was a missing chance for it, but Mark is Mark, is even more stubborn than Roger Waters, and that's a high level of stubborn already!
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Can one of the moderators please ask jbaent kindly to stop his daily insulting of Mark?
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Can one of the moderators please ask jbaent kindly to stop his daily insulting of Mark?
I'm not insulting MK at all.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/stubborn
Stubborn: adjective
B2 disapproving A stubborn person is determined to do what he or she wants and refuses to do anything else:
They have huge arguments because they're both so stubborn.
Things that are stubborn are difficult to move, change, or deal with:
He was famed for his stubborn resistance and his refusal to accept defeat.
Stubborn stains can be removed using a small amount of detergent.
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Can one of the moderators please ask jbaent kindly to stop his daily insulting of Mark?
I'm not insulting MK at all.
This is more a repeated Mark's bashing that can turn to become annoying for some members.
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Can one of the moderators please ask jbaent kindly to stop his daily insulting of Mark?
I'm not insulting MK at all.
This is more a repeated Mark's bashing that can turn to become annoying for some members.
That's a very different thing, and with this I agree with you. But I found that there was a link between Pottel comment and mine. If this annoyed you, I apologize.
Anyway, there are comments that also annoy me, and I'm not complaining about it. I just ignore them, as a grown up would do.
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Back to the topic : indeed a great show yesterday tonight !
it was my first Waters gig, and it gave me beyond my expectations
Roger was very incisive in his comments, a lot of punchlines, and even some in french
All musicians were very good. Dave Kilminster plays note per note Gilmour studio versions. It's perfect although his guitar tone is a bit too harsh, but the overall band sound is awesome
I liked very much Great gig in the sky with 2 voices at the same time. Different from versions at Gilmour gigs
But the best moment in the gig (at least for me) was Pigs. Guitar duels during the rhythmic intermission, and visuals effects straight in your face !
Another good moment was the kids (locals persons, from Lyon) dancing on another brick in the wall (part 2 AND part 3 !)
I must admit I missed "sheep" to close the trilogy, but with other surprises (machine and mother) I was very glad with that show
and of course, meeting Herlock "in real" was a pleasure :)
my english is not as good as his, so easier for me to talk in french :)
Jbaent you said it would be fine to be on sides, I think it was in order to see the central visuals better ? Well we were in the left/center (in face of Kilminister), at the rear limit of the pyramid, and we saw it good.
PensaGhost, we didn't manage to hand shake, because, even if I came early in the afternoon, there was a sort of "VIP zone" between the stage and us. So we were almost in the first row, but behind this zone.
It's strange because when I bought tickets in pre-order in october, I don't remind this kind of choice, and a friend of mine who bought ticket last week had no choice, but he had to choose this zone (called "Fossé or" in french)
anyway, a great show, and a friendly and nice meeting :wave
All I can say is that if you like Pink Floyd, and even if you "prefer" Gilmour, go see Waters, you won't be disapointed !
I took some photos and videos, not very good, but you can see them here :
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=208222803133477&id=100018372766475&comment_id=208229826466108¬if_id=1525960199411906¬if_t=feed_comment&ref=notif (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=208222803133477&id=100018372766475&comment_id=208229826466108¬if_id=1525960199411906¬if_t=feed_comment&ref=notif)
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Can one of the moderators please ask jbaent kindly to stop his daily insulting of Mark?
Sorry but I do not see the problem here. Insulting is something entirely different.
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Can one of the moderators please ask jbaent kindly to stop his daily insulting of Mark?
I'm not insulting MK at all.
This is more a repeated Mark's bashing that can turn to become annoying for some members.
Not bashing either in my humble opinion. But, yes, we should drop the RHOF topic now pls. Still, my point was about his stubbornness, jbaemts also. Back to topic now indeed
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Can one of the moderators please ask jbaent kindly to stop his daily insulting of Mark?
I'm not insulting MK at all.
This is more a repeated Mark's bashing that can turn to become annoying for some members.
Not bashing either in my humble opinion. But, yes, we should drop the RHOF topic now pls. Still, my point was about his stubbornness, jbaemts also. Back to topic now indeed
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Pottel nailed, as always.
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Back to the topic : indeed a great show yesterday tonight !
it was my first Waters gig, and it gave me beyond my expectations
Roger was very incisive in his comments, a lot of punchlines, and even some in french
All musicians were very good. Dave Kilminster plays note per note Gilmour studio versions. It's perfect although his guitar tone is a bit too harsh, but the overall band sound is awesome
I liked very much Great gig in the sky with 2 voices at the same time. Different from versions at Gilmour gigs
But the best moment in the gig (at least for me) was Pigs. Guitar duels during the rhythmic intermission, and visuals effects straight in your face !
Another good moment was the kids (locals persons, from Lyon) dancing on another brick in the wall (part 2 AND part 3 !)
I must admit I missed "sheep" to close the trilogy, but with other surprises (machine and mother) I was very glad with that show
and of course, meeting Herlock "in real" was a pleasure :)
my english is not as good as his, so easier for me to talk in french :)
Jbaent you said it would be fine to be on sides, I think it was in order to see the central visuals better ? Well we were in the left/center (in face of Kilminister), at the rear limit of the pyramid, and we saw it good.
PensaGhost, we didn't manage to hand shake, because, even if I came early in the afternoon, there was a sort of "VIP zone" between the stage and us. So we were almost in the first row, but behind this zone.
It's strange because when I bought tickets in pre-order in october, I don't remind this kind of choice, and a friend of mine who bought ticket last week had no choice, but he had to choose this zone (called "Fossé or" in french)
anyway, a great show, and a friendly and nice meeting :wave
All I can say is that if you like Pink Floyd, and even if you "prefer" Gilmour, go see Waters, you won't be disapointed !
I took some photos and videos, not very good, but you can see them here :
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=208222803133477&id=100018372766475&comment_id=208229826466108¬if_id=1525960199411906¬if_t=feed_comment&ref=notif (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=208222803133477&id=100018372766475&comment_id=208229826466108¬if_id=1525960199411906¬if_t=feed_comment&ref=notif)
Oh but I do like the man live, even though I prefer Gilmour, the waters shows are always something extraordinary, and amazing sound quality (as with David and our very own marky)
I do not get it, if these guys can do great sound in legendary bad sounding locations (Sportpaleis Antwerpen being one of them) why do the other artist not do so?
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JF, to be on the sides was to really enjoy the Battersea power station. I was in the center and I didn't see it well.
Actually I was just in the middle of the pyramid!
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I honestly hate it when musicians talk politics. Of course they have every right to express their opinions in interviews and lyrics but I don't attend concerts to hear them bitch about politicians, different political views and so on, especially when they use it to look relevant like Bono does. But, that aside, I'm happy to hear you guys met and had a good time.
And last but not least, I thought the forum rules were pretty clear.
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I was said long ago by a long time Pink Floyd fan that a Waters concert was more PF than any Gilmour concert, and after see the two of them, I personally agree.
Gilmour is a fantastic guitarist and singer, but it looks like someone singing PF songs than PF himself. In the other hand, Waters looks like if the spirit of PF has possessed him.
I have to admit that I like more the Waters period of PF, the one of Dark side, Wish you and Animals, specially Animals.
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I was said long ago by a long time Pink Floyd fan that a Waters concert was more PF than any Gilmour concert, and after see the two of them, I personally agree.
Gilmour is a fantastic guitarist and singer, but it looks like someone singing PF songs than PF himself. In the other hand, Waters looks like if the spirit of PF has possessed him.
I have to admit that I like more the Waters period of PF, the one of Dark side, Wish you and Animals, specially Animals.
I agree and Gilmour's approach reminds me very much of Mark's regarding performing their old bands' songs. And I mean it in a good way.
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JF, to be on the sides was to really enjoy the Battersea power station. I was in the center and I didn't see it well.
Actually I was just in the middle of the pyramid!
yes you are right, that's what I tought yesterday : those who were "under" the Battersea power station were not really at the best place, but it was fine for me : not really on the side, but on really in the center too
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I was said long ago by a long time Pink Floyd fan that a Waters concert was more PF than any Gilmour concert, and after see the two of them, I personally agree.
Gilmour is a fantastic guitarist and singer, but it looks like someone singing PF songs than PF himself. In the other hand, Waters looks like if the spirit of PF has possessed him.
I have to admit that I like more the Waters period of PF, the one of Dark side, Wish you and Animals, specially Animals.
I never had the chance to see Gilmour live, but after seeing his gigs on DVD I agree
Animals is my fav Floyd album, and as we said with Herlock, I think the fact is : floyd was at his best with Gilmour and Waters "together", even when they disagreed on some points
And yes the seventies is the "Waters era" but it would'nt had been what it is without Gilmour, and to a lesser extent without Wright
When I listen to Gilmour I have the sound, the voice, the orchestration, the ambiance, etc.. but it lacks the soul, the spirit, the genius
Yesterday I had this, but I missed Gilmour's sound and touch (both on guitar an vocal) to magnify Waters compositions
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I honestly hate it when musicians talk politics. Of course they have every right to express their opinions in interviews and lyrics but I don't attend concerts to hear them bitch about politicians, different political views and so on,
well, you would have dislike Monterey, Woodstock, Wight, etc then... ;) :D
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I honestly hate it when musicians talk politics. Of course they have every right to express their opinions in interviews and lyrics but I don't attend concerts to hear them bitch about politicians, different political views and so on,
well, you would have dislike Monterey, Woodstock, Wight, etc then... ;) :D
I'd have hated the politics and loved the music ;)
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I honestly hate it when musicians talk politics. Of course they have every right to express their opinions in interviews and lyrics but I don't attend concerts to hear them bitch about politicians, different political views and so on,
well, you would have dislike Monterey, Woodstock, Wight, etc then... ;) :D
I'd have hated the politics and loved the music ;)
My friends and I always called Waters "the reverend", and as far as we can, we don't miss any of his mass.
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By the way, Kilminster's guitar is a Shur custom model
Tele body shape, but strat PU configuration (with double coil on the bridge) and tremolo arm
the body is gorgeous
http://www.davekilminster.com/Gear2008.php (http://www.davekilminster.com/Gear2008.php)
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By the way, Kilminster's guitar is a Shur custom model
Tele body shape, but strat PU configuration (with double coil on the bridge) and tremolo arm
the body is gorgeous
http://www.davekilminster.com/Gear2008.php (http://www.davekilminster.com/Gear2008.php)
But is it the one(s) used on tour with RW? Don't remember they looked like that.
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By the way, Kilminster's guitar is a Shur custom model
Tele body shape, but strat PU configuration (with double coil on the bridge) and tremolo arm
the body is gorgeous
http://www.davekilminster.com/Gear2008.php (http://www.davekilminster.com/Gear2008.php)
But is it the one(s) used on tour with RW? Don't remember they looked like that.
yes wednesday night he played on this one. And it's only when I saw the headstock on the big scren that I saw a "Shur" logo
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here you have pics from the show, and the 8th one shows him with this guitar :
http://www.leprogres.fr/multimedia/2018/05/10/roger-waters-embrase-la-halle-tony-garnier (http://www.leprogres.fr/multimedia/2018/05/10/roger-waters-embrase-la-halle-tony-garnier)
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Will be in da house in Paris on Saturday June 09.
Probably my farewell to Reg the Rog and finally able to hear "Pigs" live.
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Saw him last night in Amsterdam. Cool show ;D I liked it.
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Saw him last night in Amsterdam. Cool show ;D I liked it.
Pity I couldn't go. I saw the pictures. Great work, he can still do it.
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Saw him last night in Amsterdam. Cool show ;D I liked it.
Pity I couldn't go. I saw the pictures. Great work, he can still do it.
Yes, but to be honest i liked the Gilmour concert more. Gilmour is the guitar and voice, and i missed that last night. The Waters show (lasers, screens and a flying pig) was amazing btw.
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Saw him last night in Amsterdam. Cool show ;D I liked it.
I think I heard anywhere that RW was recording and filming the Amsterdam shows to release a dvd and cd of this tour...
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Saw Waters in Lisbon, 20th May... Fantastic show!
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Saw him last night in Amsterdam. Cool show ;D I liked it.
I think I heard anywhere that RW was recording and filming the Amsterdam shows to release a dvd and cd of this tour...
4 shows in Amsterdam right?
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Saw him last night in Amsterdam. Cool show ;D I liked it.
I think I heard anywhere that RW was recording and filming the Amsterdam shows to release a dvd and cd of this tour...
4 shows in Amsterdam right?
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Yes. There was a rig with big cameras between the people, but i think its that way every show.
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Yes. There was a rig with big cameras between the people, but i think its that way every show.
Right. Same in Paris.
And interesting to stand next to that rig, could see their control screen and get the video before post production and some unbroadcast shot.
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Pour les copains français :
https://soundcloud.com/guitareobs/81-roger-waters-et-ses-contradictions (https://soundcloud.com/guitareobs/81-roger-waters-et-ses-contradictions)
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Roger Waters a perdu tout crédit à mes oreilles le jour où il a annoncé sa tournée solo DSOTM.
(Roger Eaux lost credibility to me the day he announced his FSDLL solo tour)
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Julien Bitoun nous enfume également : non les 40 000 places n'étaient pas mises en vente à 135 euro.
(Julien Bitoun is also trying to fool us : not all of the 40 000 seats were sold at the price of 135 euro)
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Bueno, cada uno tiene su opinión.
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Bueno, cada uno tiene su opinión.
And now in English again for favor.
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Bueno, cada uno tiene su opinión.
And now in English again for favor.
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That would be nice, since this is not the French or Spanish corner... ;)
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Bueno, cada uno tiene su opinión.
And now in English again for favor.
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That would be nice, since this is not the French or Spanish corner... ;)
Yes I know. I f I find time, I will try to translate the main ideas, but it's long...
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Julien Bitoun nous enfume également : non les 40 000 places n'étaient pas mises en vente à 135 euro.
peut-être sur ce point-là, mais sur le reste, je suis plutôt d'accord avec son analyse globale sur Waters, le concert, la musique etc...
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sorry for non-french speakers, I should have opened a new thread in the french corner, but I thought it was the right place to put this podcast, as the thread was opened just after the Lyon gig
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sorry for non-french speakers, I should have opened a new thread in the french corner, but I thought it was the right place to put this podcast, as the thread was opened just after the Lyon gig
That's not a problem a it's related to the topic and you tell that it is in French. Which is less correct is start to comment about it in French... but hey, is not that bad anyway, just have a think before ;)
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Posts amended ;D
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Posts amended ;D
ah ah nice translation ;D :lol
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I came across a lot of comments on youtube, about Roger Waters seems to lip sync almost everything each concert.
Is is common knowledge? Did you know? And is it true? When you google it, there are a lot of topics about it.
I enjoyed the show anyway, he wasn't 'singing' a lot after all, so i don't really care, but i'm curious. There even was a bass player behind him the whole concert ;D So i wonder, did he played bass, or was that 'off' as well?
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When he sings he does some screaming to emphasise parts that if they are synched, he's quite good.
Also his bass parts are quite strong and with a nerve that is clear what he's doing and what does the other player.
Me and my friends also commented that many parts of the concert could be easily playback but some singing parts and also some instrumental parts are clearly played live.
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Definitively, Roger is using prerecorded vocal tape.
That does not means that he is singing full playback but at least some part are.
To get the absolute answer is to watch the "Live in Rio Liboa" broadcast.
Pre recorded Roger is on the right channel while live Roger is center.