A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Robson on May 10, 2018, 01:25:55 PM
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25 years old has the album On The Night.
Missing Sultans Of Swing, Telegraph Road, Planet Of New Orleans ... but it's a fantastic album.
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and Tunnel... will we ever hear them ?
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I doubt it. Recently, I was listening to Tunnel Of Love from Uniondale in a 24-minute version. But from the Brothers In Arms tour.
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I can understand your frustration, but on the other hand, it's perfectly fine that Mark decided not to do an "Alchemy 2" out of this tour.
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I can understand your frustration, but on the other hand, it's perfectly fine that Mark decided not to do an "Alchemy 2" out of this tour.
not fine at all since the sound is 100% different and some alchemy songs are actually there and some never released songs are not there and will be never heard
it's just complete nonsense overall
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Dire Straits has always been a concert band. The last official album should be richer.
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If I'm not mistaken those songs were left out because the label didn't want it to be yet another double album. I don't know why those were not included on the VHS/DVD though. Length issues perhaps? Anyway, despite deeply disliking the inclusion of those sax solos in Sultans that would still be a nice to have.
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I read somewhere that MK said about OTN he wanted to do a very different live record, with new material (think I love you too much and or long highway?) but the record company wanted something more like a souvenir from the tour and in a single cd...
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I read somewhere that MK said about OTN he wanted to do a very different live record, with new material (think I love you too much and or long highway?) but the record company wanted something more like a souvenir from the tour and in a single cd...
I've heard about it too.
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Yep, MK interview with BBC’s Johnnie Walker a couple of days before ...
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If I'm not mistaken those songs were left out because the label didn't want it to be yet another double album. I don't know why those were not included on the VHS/DVD though. Length issues perhaps? Anyway, despite deeply disliking the inclusion of those sax solos in Sultans that would still be a nice to have.
They could easily have been included as extras on the DVD. As PensaGhost says, the versions were then very different to those played on the LOG tour.
The CD came in a double case (here in the UK) to include space for the Encores disc anyway so I don't know why a double CD was an issue.
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If I'm not mistaken those songs were left out because the label didn't want it to be yet another double album. I don't know why those were not included on the VHS/DVD though. Length issues perhaps? Anyway, despite deeply disliking the inclusion of those sax solos in Sultans that would still be a nice to have.
They could easily have been included as extras on the DVD. As PensaGhost says, the versions were then very different to those played on the LOG tour.
The CD came in a double case (here in the UK) to include space for the Encores disc anyway so I don't know why a double CD was an issue.
I never understand why a double cd is an issue at all... usually they are more expensive than single cds but not that much...
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If I'm not mistaken those songs were left out because the label didn't want it to be yet another double album. I don't know why those were not included on the VHS/DVD though. Length issues perhaps? Anyway, despite deeply disliking the inclusion of those sax solos in Sultans that would still be a nice to have.
They could easily have been included as extras on the DVD. As PensaGhost says, the versions were then very different to those played on the LOG tour.
The CD came in a double case (here in the UK) to include space for the Encores disc anyway so I don't know why a double CD was an issue.
I never understand why a double cd is an issue at all... usually they are more expensive than single cds but not that much...
Back then Double CD were pricey
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To be the last live album of the DS, it was very modest. A release that marks the ultimate DS tour without SOS, TR or TOL? Even today, it's weird. Nevertheless, the DVD release is poor, does not contain extra, so many wonderful things could include of this tour, could put the documentary 24 Heures subtitled, besides some songs that were left out like SOS, TR, TOL, Planet of New Orlens, I think I love you too much ... it would make a record more dignified and complete for the moment of the band. Technology exists for this, lack good will! :(
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It's true.
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I really like the cover. In the album book there is no information that it is Radio Telescope Dishes at Night
Moonlight illuminates the radio telescope dishes of the Very Large Array in New Mexico.
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On The Night is a very poor souvenir of that tour.
Ticket to Heaven or just about any other soundboard bootleg is a hundred times better.
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Well, I would say that for all songs prior to OES, I prefer the BIA tour versions (LOG tour for TR). OES tour versions (and OTN even more so since it is over produced) are too polished, too much pensa and pedal steel everywhere to my taste.
With the possible exception of Sultans, for which the sax break is better in the OES tour IMHO (even though I don't like Chris' drumming), and for which the sax-less Alchemy version is a must have as well.
For the OES songs, well, CE is too developped, OES (the song) is nice but too rushed, I don't care much about HF and the Bug...
On the Night has a very nice YAYF though. Also a pretty nice BIA for the OES tour (but I like the Wembley 85 version more, I love the Les Paul, the cheesy synth and the rocking ending !).
Would have loved to have soundboard versions of TOL (unlike most people I love the Pensa sound on this one, by exception), Iron Hand and PONO...
Oh well.
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I have a bootleg called straight to the point that puts OTN to shame. Yes, too much pedal steel and sax but the band sounds pretty relaxed like they’re having a great time.
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I have a bootleg called straight to the point that puts OTN to shame. Yes, too much pedal steel and sax but the band sounds pretty relaxed like they’re having a great time.
yes indeed, it's mainly because it's on the very beginning of the tour (end of august 91) so Mark and the band were still "fresh" and not yet bored like in spring 92
on all tours it's the same dilemme : the start of the tour sounds fresh and relaxed, and the middle and end sounds autopilot but with more developped arrangements, and often better than on the beginning
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I have a bootleg called straight to the point that puts OTN to shame. Yes, too much pedal steel and sax but the band sounds pretty relaxed like they’re having a great time.
yes indeed, it's mainly because it's on the very beginning of the tour (end of august 91) so Mark and the band were still "fresh" and not yet bored like in spring 92
on all tours it's the same dilemme : the start of the tour sounds fresh and relaxed, and the middle and end sounds autopilot but with more developped arrangements, and often better than on the beginning
Yes, quite a few mistakes on those earlier shows, probably due to the large number of new songs they played on that tour. No soundboards until June '92 tells you something about that.
I think they recorded OTN at the right time because they still sounded energetic in May '92, and yet had managed to find the best arrangements and iron out those greenies too. I think the versions are good but it just sounds 'over engineered'. Maybe a remix could work wonders?
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Well, I would say that for all songs prior to OES, I prefer the BIA tour versions (LOG tour for TR). OES tour versions (and OTN even more so since it is over produced) are too polished, too much pensa and pedal steel everywhere to my taste.
With the possible exception of Sultans, for which the sax break is better in the OES tour IMHO (even though I don't like Chris' drumming), and for which the sax-less Alchemy version is a must have as well.
For the OES songs, well, CE is too developped, OES (the song) is nice but too rushed, I don't care much about HF and the Bug...
On the Night has a very nice YAYF though. Also a pretty nice BIA for the OES tour (but I like the Wembley 85 version more, I love the Les Paul, the cheesy synth and the rocking ending !).
Would have loved to have soundboard versions of TOL (unlike most people I love the Pensa sound on this one, by exception), Iron Hand and PONO...
Oh well.
I also think You and Your Friend from OTN is pretty awesome....love the Pedabro sound and love the interaction between Paul and MK building as the song progresses...much better IMHO than the album version. This song (if brought out of retirement) could work well in todays setlist. But they CANT replace Paul Franklins part with a Sax as they did OES most recently. The sax part at the end of On Every Street doesn't do anything for the song and in some of the USB's from the last concert, the sax actually made me dislike (and even skip) On Every Street - its just too......"sax-y"....
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Well, I would say that for all songs prior to OES, I prefer the BIA tour versions (LOG tour for TR). OES tour versions (and OTN even more so since it is over produced) are too polished, too much pensa and pedal steel everywhere to my taste.
With the possible exception of Sultans, for which the sax break is better in the OES tour IMHO (even though I don't like Chris' drumming), and for which the sax-less Alchemy version is a must have as well.
For the OES songs, well, CE is too developped, OES (the song) is nice but too rushed, I don't care much about HF and the Bug...
On the Night has a very nice YAYF though. Also a pretty nice BIA for the OES tour (but I like the Wembley 85 version more, I love the Les Paul, the cheesy synth and the rocking ending !).
Would have loved to have soundboard versions of TOL (unlike most people I love the Pensa sound on this one, by exception), Iron Hand and PONO...
Oh well.
I also think You and Your Friend from OTN is pretty awesome....love the Pedabro sound and love the interaction between Paul and MK building as the song progresses...much better IMHO than the album version. This song (if brought out of retirement) could work well in todays setlist. But they CANT replace Paul Franklins part with a Sax as they did OES most recently. The sax part at the end of On Every Street doesn't do anything for the song and in some of the USB's from the last concert, the sax actually made me dislike (and even skip) On Every Street - its just too......"sax-y"....
fully agree.
still, my favourite moment, was between BIA and Solid rock when that girl is singled out in the crowd, in Rotterdam, lovely looking lady.....
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I know what you mean, always wondered, if she ever watched that!
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The girl with tears in her eyes at the end of Brothers In Arms is beautiful too:)
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From that tour I love SOS, end part, from Rotterdam 1991 that can find on youtube.
MK monstre :P