Post by: shangri la 1 on September 22, 2018, 04:07:15 AM
(https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6309.0;attach=2986)
Back on the Dance Floor Mark Knopfler (5:30)
Ian Thomas, Drums
Imelda May, Background Vocalist
Glenn Worf, Bass Guitar
Mark Knopfler, Guitar, Vocals
Jim Cox, Organ
Danny Cummings, Percussion, Background Vocalist
Guy Fletcher, Synthesizer
LYRICS
Hand me down my high roller Stetson
Hand me down my smokeless .41
We’re gonna look so sharp when we walk in
They’re gonna be jazzed we'd come
We’re going for the major comeback
For the motherlode, the mighty score
We’ll be the toast of every knocked out boogie shack
Now we’re back on the dancefloor
Going all the way is the only way to go
The only game in town
Shake your moneymaker closer to the floor
Shake ‘em on down, shake ‘em on down
Hand me down my two-tone wingtips
Hand me down my skull head walking cane
You all gotta wear them shantung gambler suits
They’re gonna be jazzed we came
Because we’re going for the major comeback
For the motherlode, the mighty score
We’ll be the toast of every knocked out boogie shack
Now we’re back on the dancefloor
Going all the way is the only way to go
The only game in town
Shake your moneymaker closer to the floor
Shake ‘em on down, shake ‘em on down
We’re going for the major comeback
For the motherlode, the mighty score
We’ll be the toast of every knocked out boogie shack
Now we’re back on the dancefloor
back on the dancefloor
Now we're back on the dancefloor
back on the dancefloor (repeat)
© © 2018 Will D. Side Limited
℗ 2018 Will D. Side Limited
Ian Thomas, Drums
Imelda May, Background Vocalist
Glenn Worf, Bass Guitar
Mark Knopfler, Guitar, Vocals
Jim Cox, Organ
Danny Cummings, Percussion, Background Vocalist
Guy Fletcher, Synthesizer
LYRICS
Hand me down my high roller Stetson
Hand me down my smokeless .41
We’re gonna look so sharp when we walk in
They’re gonna be jazzed we'd come
We’re going for the major comeback
For the motherlode, the mighty score
We’ll be the toast of every knocked out boogie shack
Now we’re back on the dancefloor
Going all the way is the only way to go
The only game in town
Shake your moneymaker closer to the floor
Shake ‘em on down, shake ‘em on down
Hand me down my two-tone wingtips
Hand me down my skull head walking cane
You all gotta wear them shantung gambler suits
They’re gonna be jazzed we came
Because we’re going for the major comeback
For the motherlode, the mighty score
We’ll be the toast of every knocked out boogie shack
Now we’re back on the dancefloor
Going all the way is the only way to go
The only game in town
Shake your moneymaker closer to the floor
Shake ‘em on down, shake ‘em on down
We’re going for the major comeback
For the motherlode, the mighty score
We’ll be the toast of every knocked out boogie shack
Now we’re back on the dancefloor
back on the dancefloor
Now we're back on the dancefloor
back on the dancefloor (repeat)
© © 2018 Will D. Side Limited
℗ 2018 Will D. Side Limited
CHORDS: Back on the Dance Floor - by quizzaciously
https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/mark_knopfler/back_on_the_dance_floor_chords_2507496
https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/mark_knopfler/back_on_the_dance_floor_chords_2507496
Post by: jbaent on September 28, 2018, 01:09:45 PM
Post by: JF on October 04, 2018, 11:07:03 PM
at least, the most strait-ish on the album
I bet that many people here will love this song
Post by: GIUMK on October 06, 2018, 01:57:22 PM
the more I listen to this song, the more I find it strait-ish.Hello everyone and bye JF. Reading that this song is the most straits, which song could you put it to? Is it rock, pop-rock or anything?
at least, the most strait-ish on the album
I bet that many people here will love this song
Post by: JF on October 06, 2018, 11:03:54 PM
the more I listen to this song, the more I find it strait-ish.Hello everyone and bye JF. Reading that this song is the most straits, which song could you put it to? Is it rock, pop-rock or anything?
at least, the most strait-ish on the album
I bet that many people here will love this song
I find it sounds like as it was recorded during the OES era
guitra tone, rythm. A little bit between Millionaire blues and when it comes to you I may say
the style and sound would fit very well on radio I think
it's hard to describe with words, it's more a feeling
Post by: GIUMK on October 06, 2018, 11:33:56 PM
Thank you JF.the more I listen to this song, the more I find it strait-ish.Hello everyone and bye JF. Reading that this song is the most straits, which song could you put it to? Is it rock, pop-rock or anything?
at least, the most strait-ish on the album
I bet that many people here will love this song
I find it sounds like as it was recorded during the OES era
guitra tone, rythm. A little bit between Millionaire blues and when it comes to you I may say
the style and sound would fit very well on radio I think
it's hard to describe with words, it's more a feeling
From your description it intrigues me a lot. I can not wait to hear it!
Post by: Knopflerfan on October 29, 2018, 06:40:35 PM
'Another single on its way I understand...and this one is a KILLER' :clap
Post by: holaknopfler on October 29, 2018, 06:44:15 PM
Post by: dmg on October 29, 2018, 06:44:55 PM
Post by: Knopflerfan on October 29, 2018, 06:46:24 PM
Already posted this in GF Forum thread ;-)
Good show, at least it will be seen here!!
Post by: holaknopfler on October 29, 2018, 06:47:39 PM
Already posted this in GF Forum thread ;-)
Good show, at least it will be seen here!!
:thumbsup
Post by: Jasper90 on October 29, 2018, 06:51:39 PM
Post by: GIUMK on October 29, 2018, 07:44:28 PM
Post by: knopflertom on October 29, 2018, 09:00:59 PM
According to Guy another Single is imminent......
'Another single on its way I understand...and this one is a KILLER' :clap
So what's the guess from the people who have heard already the album? Trapper Man?
Post by: JF on October 29, 2018, 09:57:55 PM
both can make a very good single
I'd rather vote for Back on the dance floor, because Trapper man has the same kind of rhythm than GOYS, so it could be heard as "similar" (while it's not of course)
if it's not one of these two songs, then....it will confirm Mark's weird choices ;D :lol
Post by: GIUMK on October 29, 2018, 10:05:23 PM
My bet is back on the dance floor or Trapper Man
both can make a very good single
I'd rather vote for Back on the dance floor, because Trapper man has the same kind of rhythm than GOYS, so it could be heard as "similar" (while it's not of course)
if it's not one of these two songs, then....it will confirm Mark's weird choices ;D :lol
I share your JF thought, however, from what Guy said and that is "this one is a KILLER", I think it will be one of the two. :)
Post by: Banjo99uk on October 29, 2018, 10:19:46 PM
Post by: Love Expresso on October 29, 2018, 10:41:02 PM
LE
Post by: Robson on October 29, 2018, 10:50:58 PM
Post by: Love Expresso on October 29, 2018, 10:52:57 PM
LE
Post by: Rail King on October 31, 2018, 01:39:59 PM
I think the word KILLER is a deliberate hint it’s Back On The Dance Floor.
Why would "killer" hint to "Back on the Dancefloor"? It may be just me, but I'm not getting what you mean.
Post by: PensaGhost on October 31, 2018, 02:02:20 PM
I think the word KILLER is a deliberate hint it’s Back On The Dance Floor.
Why would "killer" hint to "Back on the Dancefloor"? It may be just me, but I'm not getting what you mean.
Killer only means very good/excellent song
Post by: GIUMK on October 31, 2018, 02:27:58 PM
Post by: dmg on October 31, 2018, 03:38:59 PM
I think the word KILLER is a deliberate hint it’s Back On The Dance Floor.
Why would "killer" hint to "Back on the Dancefloor"? It may be just me, but I'm not getting what you mean.
Killer only means very good/excellent song
Either that or "Killer" is the title of the song. :lol
Post by: Knopflerfan on October 31, 2018, 04:08:00 PM
Remember MK often referred to Ruth's albums as 'killers'....
Post by: Jasper90 on October 31, 2018, 04:53:55 PM
I'm thinking it's a 'rather good' song thus the use of the phrase 'Killer' by Guy to describe it.
Remember MK often referred to Ruth's albums as 'killers'....
Or just that bad that it will kill you :lol. Just joking! I wonder, since the realise of the album is close now, when this single will be out. Could it be this Friday? :think
Post by: Love Expresso on October 31, 2018, 05:19:00 PM
So I really try to keep my expectations low. Just a good song will do for me anytime!
LE
Post by: DS on October 31, 2018, 05:53:59 PM
It seems Guy has a totally other meaning what a "Killer" is than us. I tried to find the last real "killer" song MK wrote... Speedway at Nazareth? He made Hill Farmer a Live Killer indeed, and he wrote many good ones since then (Basil, 5.15am, Monteleone). But a Killer?
Speedway, Hill Farmer (Live), Boom Like That, What It Is... yes, our definition of Killer is probably outdated.
Post by: quizzaciously on October 31, 2018, 06:36:21 PM
Post by: Love Expresso on October 31, 2018, 06:47:24 PM
LE
Post by: Dutchessy on November 01, 2018, 10:30:13 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on November 01, 2018, 10:40:18 PM
Post by: holaknopfler on November 01, 2018, 10:40:30 PM
Back on the dance floor
Any way to get a hold of it??
Post by: herlock on November 01, 2018, 10:43:27 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on November 01, 2018, 10:48:23 PM
Don't have Apple music, I have a subscription to Google play music but BOTDF is not in there :( would really appreciate a solution
I think you should wait for it to show up somewhere else, because it's really hard to take out a song from Apple Music. It's heavily protected.
Post by: Marnix on November 01, 2018, 10:49:45 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on November 01, 2018, 10:49:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79hCG2dUqS0
Post by: herlock on November 01, 2018, 10:50:19 PM
Post by: herlock on November 01, 2018, 10:51:13 PM
Nevermind...Video not available :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79hCG2dUqS0
Post by: GIUMK on November 01, 2018, 10:54:08 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on November 01, 2018, 10:57:50 PM
In fact, video not available. :(
Apparently I'm the only one who's able to watch it? Pretty strange if you ask me...
Post by: Dutchessy on November 01, 2018, 10:58:00 PM
Don't have Apple music, I have a subscription to Google play music but BOTDF is not in there :( would really appreciate a solution
I think you should wait for it to show up somewhere else, because it's really hard to take out a song from Apple Music. It's heavily protected.
Is it available for purchase or download?
Post by: Robson on November 01, 2018, 10:58:32 PM
Post by: Dutchessy on November 01, 2018, 10:58:45 PM
In fact, video not available. :(
Apparently I'm the only one who's able to watch it? Pretty strange if you ask me...
In that case.... youtube to mp3 ;)
Post by: Guitarman1972 on November 01, 2018, 10:59:35 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on November 01, 2018, 10:59:45 PM
Don't have Apple music, I have a subscription to Google play music but BOTDF is not in there :( would really appreciate a solution
I think you should wait for it to show up somewhere else, because it's really hard to take out a song from Apple Music. It's heavily protected.
Is it available for purchase or download?
It's not on iTunes (yet), but on Apple Music yes. And on YouTube. And I was able to download the file, but...
I can't share it via private messages to everybody, because I'm lazy. If you know a better way to do it, I can.
Post by: holaknopfler on November 01, 2018, 11:00:46 PM
Don't have Apple music, I have a subscription to Google play music but BOTDF is not in there :( would really appreciate a solution
I think you should wait for it to show up somewhere else, because it's really hard to take out a song from Apple Music. It's heavily protected.
Is it available for purchase or download?
It's not on iTunes (yet), but on Apple Music yes. And on YouTube. And I was able to download the file, but...
I can't share it via private messages to everybody, because I'm lazy. If you know a better way to do it, I can.
We transfer?
Post by: holaknopfler on November 01, 2018, 11:05:21 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on November 01, 2018, 11:05:28 PM
Post by: herlock on November 01, 2018, 11:14:15 PM
https://we.tl/t-BgSWwbzkqM (https://we.tl/t-BgSWwbzkqM)Many thanks ! :)
Surprising song... Many people involved... Back in the eighties...:)
Post by: 2manyguitars on November 01, 2018, 11:23:35 PM
Little bits of terminal in there but initially for some reason the intro reminded me of follow me home....
Album is going to be good
Post by: holaknopfler on November 01, 2018, 11:25:56 PM
Post by: Robson on November 01, 2018, 11:44:05 PM
Post by: ruipedro on November 01, 2018, 11:50:55 PM
Post by: Lis on November 01, 2018, 11:53:10 PM
Thanks foma!!!
Post by: straitsway75 on November 01, 2018, 11:53:33 PM
Post by: koobaa on November 01, 2018, 11:57:39 PM
Post by: El Macho on November 02, 2018, 12:05:50 AM
The guitar reminds me the OES period à la JJ Cale.
More DS than MK although even in the DS period I would have found it very funny.
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 12:09:39 AM
Good on you son = Early Bird 2.0
Back on the dance floor = Terminal of tribute to 2.0
what else?
Post by: Dutchessy on November 02, 2018, 12:13:34 AM
Which is good ;D
Post by: holaknopfler on November 02, 2018, 12:14:05 AM
So
Good on you son = Early Bird 2.0
Back on the dance floor = Terminal of tribute to 2.0
what else?
This doesn’t sound like terminal at all
Post by: herlock on November 02, 2018, 12:16:52 AM
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 12:17:32 AM
So
Good on you son = Early Bird 2.0
Back on the dance floor = Terminal of tribute to 2.0
what else?
This doesn’t sound like terminal at all
please, exactly same melody in different sauce
Post by: Dutchessy on November 02, 2018, 12:19:27 AM
So
Good on you son = Early Bird 2.0
Back on the dance floor = Terminal of tribute to 2.0
what else?
This doesn’t sound like terminal at all
please, exactly same melody in different sauce
Just a small part when he is singing. The complete song is totally different.
Post by: GIUMK on November 02, 2018, 12:20:40 AM
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 12:21:58 AM
So
Good on you son = Early Bird 2.0
Back on the dance floor = Terminal of tribute to 2.0
what else?
This doesn’t sound like terminal at all
please, exactly same melody in different sauce
Just a small part when he is singing. The complete song is totally different.
a small part ? most of the song and also the guitar solo, then if you add a different base (drum bass) it might sound different to untrained ears (and those parts do sound different), but the main melody is exactly the same
Post by: Dutchessy on November 02, 2018, 12:23:53 AM
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 12:26:21 AM
I dont care, this one is nicer than Terminal :)
Terminal is better imo, this one is just a different and a little bit worse version of it, pretty similar still, to exploit the good melody that for stupid reasons was not on the main album last time
Post by: JF on November 02, 2018, 12:28:55 AM
Awesome. I think I like this one more than GOYS. Easily could be a leftover DS song from OES
I told you ;)
Post by: JF on November 02, 2018, 12:31:09 AM
the video is avalaible now
Post by: GIUMK on November 02, 2018, 12:34:48 AM
so; was my description faithfull ? ;) ;)
the video is avalaible now
Yes a lot! Thanks JF! :thumbsup :D
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 12:35:12 AM
so; was my description faithfull ? ;) ;)
the video is avalaible now
it's exactly the main melody of Terminal of Tribute put in a different dress, soul/rock dress (as you wrote), pretty good overall.
can't hear anything of OES out of it tough (as you wrote).
Post by: JF on November 02, 2018, 12:35:58 AM
Really amazing song, very DS! ;)I told you ;)
Post by: JF on November 02, 2018, 12:37:35 AM
so; was my description faithfull ? ;) ;)
the video is avalaible now
it's exactly the main melody of Terminal of Tribute put in a different dress, soul/rock dress (as you wrote), pretty good overall.
can't hear anything of OES out of it tough.
guitar sound, global sounding/production...I find it sounding more OES era than solo years
Post by: GIUMK on November 02, 2018, 12:42:49 AM
so; was my description faithfull ? ;) ;)
the video is avalaible now
it's exactly the main melody of Terminal of Tribute put in a different dress, soul/rock dress (as you wrote), pretty good overall.
can't hear anything of OES out of it tough.
guitar sound, global sounding/production...I find it sounding more OES era than solo years
You're really right JF, I find it beautiful. ;)
I must say that Guy did not fool us this time, it's really a KILLER song! :D
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 12:56:42 AM
A bit lazy to recycle the Terminal of Tribute To melody, though. ToTT was of course just a bonus track, so it's not too bad, but still.
Also, I know it's a terrible thing to say, but sometimes miss Mark's gruff voice from when he smoked.
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 12:59:28 AM
so; was my description faithfull ? ;) ;)
the video is avalaible now
it's exactly the main melody of Terminal of Tribute put in a different dress, soul/rock dress (as you wrote), pretty good overall.
can't hear anything of OES out of it tough.
guitar sound, global sounding/production...I find it sounding more OES era than solo years
well if you just need a rock guitar sound + rock base/groove to sound DS, then yes... but can't find anything of OES atmosphere/melodies out of it
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 01:00:40 AM
Sounds really great. Groove is intoxicating. I love the synths and background vocals on this, also how Mark's vocals move from center to the sides during the chorus. Can't wait to play this on my hifi tomorrow. This tune will work great live, I should think!
A bit lazy to recycle the Terminal of Tribute To melody, though. ToTT was of course just a bonus track, so it's not too bad, but still.
Also, I know it's a terrible thing to say, but sometimes miss Mark's gruff voice from when he smoked.
yes, I would say a smart 2.0 version :)
Post by: Dutchessy on November 02, 2018, 01:03:21 AM
https://youtu.be/y0Ti4f-Wo_k?t=34m4s
Post by: JF on November 02, 2018, 01:19:14 AM
so; was my description faithfull ? ;) ;)
the video is avalaible now
it's exactly the main melody of Terminal of Tribute put in a different dress, soul/rock dress (as you wrote), pretty good overall.
can't hear anything of OES out of it tough.
guitar sound, global sounding/production...I find it sounding more OES era than solo years
well if you just need a Pensa Sound + rock base to sound DS, then yes... but can't find anything of OES atmosphere/melodies out of it
I hear the same atmosphere than on When it comes to you, millionaire blues or even start of PONO
of course it's not excatly the same sound/production, but I hear the same feeling
and BTW , OES is my less favorite DS album, so pensa sound is not what I would call sounding Dire straits. I'm more into early years or LOG/Alchemy, so of course I don't want to say that it sounds like the pic of dire straits,
BUT regarding last albums like Tracker, privateering, Get Lucky, KTGC, I think that this song is closer to what we have in mind when thinking to "dire straits", especially the last era, than recent songs like long cool girl, basil or silver eagle, etc...
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 01:25:47 AM
Post by: jerryb on November 02, 2018, 01:27:49 AM
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 01:31:06 AM
Post by: JF on November 02, 2018, 01:34:20 AM
Where can I hear this?
it's on YT, but depends on your localistion I guess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=79hCG2dUqS0&fbclid=IwAR26XIn0yOs2I1QVQk__uhlvU118sdAnv5oQfN7Fj5E26V7Q9W6ZNyI2h3k
Post by: jerryb on November 02, 2018, 01:34:39 AM
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 01:48:18 AM
I don't see it on Spotify. I'm in the US.
I'm in Europe, and it works here.
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 02:08:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvChjHcABPA
:D
Post by: Banjo99uk on November 02, 2018, 05:20:41 AM
The melody of the chorus is similar to ABBA's S.O.S.. Go to 0:45:I heard that too, cracking song though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvChjHcABPA
:D
Post by: superval99 on November 02, 2018, 07:54:31 AM
I do hear something of Terminal - "You never made it and you never will....." ;)
Post by: jbaent on November 02, 2018, 08:38:15 AM
Post by: jbaent on November 02, 2018, 08:43:31 AM
The firsts listenings didn't say anything to me but it's starting growing, specially for this "assassin of love" ambient...
Post by: jbaent on November 02, 2018, 08:47:54 AM
Hand me down my high roller Stetson
Hand me down my smokeless .41
We’re gonna look so sharp when we walk in
They’re gonna be jazzed we come
Post by: border_reiver on November 02, 2018, 09:02:26 AM
It's like Vic&Ray just got groove. But it's still Vic&Ray...
Post by: goon525 on November 02, 2018, 09:10:16 AM
Post by: superval99 on November 02, 2018, 09:13:24 AM
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 09:20:14 AM
I hear a part of "The Letter" here too! I just loooove the groove of this song! :)
I just saw that song mentioned on Guy's forum. Had never heard it before! And yes, the chorus of that song sounds much more like Mark's than does ABBA's S.O.S. Luckily!
Post by: ijnijn on November 02, 2018, 09:41:51 AM
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 09:49:14 AM
Great song! I really like it :) In fact I need to write this, 'cause I'm a bit dissapointed of one essential thing for me. I'm the drummer and I like the style of Ian Thomas. His rhythms are sometimes tricky to play, but hmmm, he doesn't do many fills at all. Listening to "Back on the dance floor" I only heard two or three maybe. I am a bit confused, 'cause drumfills really trigger the music, especially when you change the rthythm and I wonder why he doesn't use them when it's appropriate. The same problem I had with the whole Tracker album in fact. This is my opinion as a musician of course, but Knopfler used to have much better drummer in the past :)
I know that Ian Thomas is a highly recognized drummer, but I also find his drumming a little uninspiring at times. Maybe he was told to play that way by Mark? I honestly miss Pick Withers at times. I listened to the first DS album yesterday. God, he did so much for that album.
Post by: ijnijn on November 02, 2018, 09:57:29 AM
Post by: Nick14 on November 02, 2018, 10:00:47 AM
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2018, 10:40:06 AM
I'm not gonna lie. This is a skipper.
It's like Vic&Ray just got groove. But it's still Vic&Ray...
Skipper was the first word that got in my mind, too. Then: "boring". And then: Is this really from the same man who wrote Telegraph Road or Romeo & Juliet or Sailing To Philadelphia?
The drums however are pretty cool, together with Danny's percussion. Couldn't bother about Terminal or not as I never liked that one either.
LE
Post by: wespresso on November 02, 2018, 10:43:19 AM
Post by: Pottel on November 02, 2018, 10:54:47 AM
do not agree. but hey, that is what makes us human i guess.I'm not gonna lie. This is a skipper.
It's like Vic&Ray just got groove. But it's still Vic&Ray...
Skipper was the first word that got in my mind, too. Then: "boring". And then: Is this really from the same man who wrote Telegraph Road or Romeo & Juliet or Sailing To Philadelphia?
The drums however are pretty cool, together with Danny's percussion. Couldn't bother about Terminal or not as I never liked that one either.
LE
not my favourite of the 2, but not bad, got some great bits in it, and some lesser bits. a grower.
Post by: superval99 on November 02, 2018, 11:05:12 AM
Post by: Robson on November 02, 2018, 11:06:15 AM
Post by: Darling Pretty on November 02, 2018, 11:07:21 AM
absolutely
It is a cool song. Can work out live very well
and hey---no pipes
would not say boring. Long cool girl and River Towns are more boring to me
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2018, 12:15:37 PM
I did not say that it might not grow on me. But first impression was a very cool wrapped up thing with not too much substance.
Dire Straits feel I agree very much, to me the most at the "shake em down shake em down" lyrics and guitar bits.
LE
Post by: Nick14 on November 02, 2018, 12:15:49 PM
Post by: dmg on November 02, 2018, 12:19:45 PM
So
Good on you son = Early Bird 2.0
Back on the dance floor = Terminal of tribute to 2.0
what else?
This doesn’t sound like terminal at all
please, exactly same melody in different sauce
I have to agree here with PensaGhost. A bit of You Don't Know You're Born in there too. However, that doesn't make it a bad song. In fact I love it and think the guitar sound is fab and the synths are also great. Certainly my cup of tea. I only hope they aren't releasing the best song from the album and it's all downhill now...
Post by: kaleo74 on November 02, 2018, 12:20:18 PM
There is something of River of grog at first beginning of the verses but with an upbeat tempo and the end reminds us me of Ride across the river style with all the ambiance and heavy guitar, terminal of course and it doesn’t bother me, Mark is doing Mark that’s it.
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2018, 12:23:55 PM
LE
Post by: dmg on November 02, 2018, 12:34:34 PM
jepp.
absolutely
It is a cool song. Can work out live very well
and hey---no pipes
would not say boring. Long cool girl and River Towns are more boring to me
Couldn't agree more. :clap
Whatever you think about this song it is not boring. You may like the aforementioned songs but they are not exactly pushing boundaries.
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 12:38:57 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 02, 2018, 01:09:17 PM
Post by: K-alberto on November 02, 2018, 01:11:11 PM
I'd just have the curiosity to hear this same song with a more "liquid" sound, a Strat sound or similar, but I know it won't be possible.
(PS: just to add one more song to the list...: anybody else hearing some "Shot the monkey" of Peter Gabriel in it?) ::)
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 02, 2018, 01:18:48 PM
It's been the very first thing I listened to this morning... And I was really, really surprised by the care they put on the arrangement, the sonds and effects... I really like it, it's really a good song, I too find reminiscences from TOTT, but this one is SO MUCH BETTER that tott will be a pale memory.
I'd just have the curiosity to hear this same song with a more "liquid" sound, a Strat sound or similar, but I know it won't be possible.
(PS: just to add one more song to the list...: anybody else hearing some "Shot the monkey" of Peter Gabriel in it?) ::)
I second that, looks like they put a lot of effort into the arrangements this time around. Now I understand why it took so long to get finished!
Post by: Dutchessy on November 02, 2018, 01:22:00 PM
Post by: Nick14 on November 02, 2018, 01:27:02 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 01:29:33 PM
So
Good on you son = Early Bird 2.0
Back on the dance floor = Terminal of tribute to 2.0
what else?
This doesn’t sound like terminal at all
please, exactly same melody in different sauce
I have to agree here with PensaGhost. A bit of You Don't Know You're Born in there too. However, that doesn't make it a bad song. In fact I love it and think the guitar sound is fab and the synths are also great. Certainly my cup of tea. I only hope they aren't releasing the best song from the album and it's all downhill now...
The Terminal of Tribute melody was simply too good to be left out of a main album, problem solved now.
This is basically a lighter, less dramatic version of the same song/melody put in a different dress with a little bit of
many other MK songs here and there as others mentioned.
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 01:31:55 PM
my favourite Mark songs of recent years? Haul Away, Radio City Serenade, Laugh and Jokes, Lights of Taomina, Heart of Oak, Silver Eagle, My Heart Has Never Changed, Yon Two Crows, Border Reiver, Get Lucky, Montelone, Piper to the End.
Remove Laughs n Jokes and Border Reiver, and you have a playlist which will cure insomnia.
Post by: quizzaciously on November 02, 2018, 01:34:34 PM
The Terminal of Tribute melody was simply too good to be left out of a main album, problem solved now.
This is basically a lighter, less dramatic version of the same song/melody put in a different dress with a little bit of
many other MK songs here and there as others mentioned.
If only you could erase this awful Terminal Of Tribute To from your memory and replace it with the Dance Floor, problem would be really solved. Still think Terminal is one of the worst Mark’s songs lyrics-wise. To harsh.
Post by: Nick14 on November 02, 2018, 01:35:10 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 01:40:19 PM
The Terminal of Tribute melody was simply too good to be left out of a main album, problem solved now.
This is basically a lighter, less dramatic version of the same song/melody put in a different dress with a little bit of
many other MK songs here and there as others mentioned.
If only you could erase this awful Terminal Of Tribute To from your memory and replace it with the Dance Floor, problem would be really solved. Still think Terminal is one of the worst Mark’s songs lyrics-wise. To harsh.
lyrics-wise is harsh yes, it might be one of the reasons he chose to propose a different version of the same melody and put it in a main album and maybe even play it live. Still overall I think the original song is a bit better.
Post by: crimmer on November 02, 2018, 01:42:04 PM
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 01:44:04 PM
Not for me! (referring to the insomnia comment).
:)
Post by: herlock on November 02, 2018, 01:45:25 PM
I love TOTT, both musically and lyrically. Yes it is amazingly harsh, especially for Mark who was never so explicit before (nor ever since). It is interesting because it shows how pissed he must have been with Alan Clark... showing the complexity of this character :)The Terminal of Tribute melody was simply too good to be left out of a main album, problem solved now.
This is basically a lighter, less dramatic version of the same song/melody put in a different dress with a little bit of
many other MK songs here and there as others mentioned.
If only you could erase this awful Terminal Of Tribute To from your memory and replace it with the Dance Floor, problem would be really solved. Still think Terminal is one of the worst Mark’s songs lyrics-wise. To harsh.
My only regret about TOTT is that it was not included on the main album.
Re BOTDF, yes it has similarities with TOTT but a completely different atmosphere - joyful instead of dark. These songs are about as similar as Roger Waters'Three Wishes (Amused to Death, 1992) and Pink Floyd (1987)'High Hopes (The Division Bell,1994): similar structure but totally different tones and mood...
Post by: wakeywakey on November 02, 2018, 01:47:10 PM
All the utube links are dead and Qobuz isn't available in my country!
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 02, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
How are you guys hearing this?
All the utube links are dead and Qobuz isn't available in my country!
The very first youtube link Pavel posted works just fine over here.
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 01:52:52 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 01:56:48 PM
How are you guys hearing this?
All the utube links are dead and Qobuz isn't available in my country!
The very first youtube link Pavel posted works just fine over here.
same here, it only depends on what country you are, some work, some don't
Post by: jerryb on November 02, 2018, 02:09:04 PM
Post by: Dutchessy on November 02, 2018, 02:25:04 PM
I love Mark dearly but he's an artist that doesn't grow. He just keeps remaking the same songs over and over again. There's always this feeling that I've heard it before.
Not so strange when you have written so many songs in 40 years.
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 02:29:04 PM
I love Mark dearly but he's an artist that doesn't grow. He just keeps remaking the same songs over and over again. There's always this feeling that I've heard it before.
He may not be a revolutionizing artist, but he certainly has evolved. Consider all his solo output, or even just the three last albums. They are all fairly different. Somethings reoccur and he has a certain range that he operates within, but he does try to take things in new directions. Not that it always works, and I have been missing a bit of energy. To give Guy freer reins on this album seems (so far) to have been a good idea. It's familiar territory, but there are some cool ideas (again, so far) that feel very fresh, for Mark that is.
Post by: DS on November 02, 2018, 02:29:12 PM
Yes it is similar to TOTT in a way, but at the same time they're completely different songs. I loved TOTT (except for the lyrics but musically it was great).
This one seems lifeless
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 02:39:48 PM
It is a cool song. Can work out live very well
From Guy's forum: "ABSOLUTELY. If we don’t play BOTDF, I’ll leave the band."
Post by: superval99 on November 02, 2018, 02:43:08 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 02, 2018, 02:45:44 PM
Post by: naif on November 02, 2018, 02:51:31 PM
Mark Knopfler is unique - meaning no matter the style, the instrument or the band he always manages to impose his identity on the song - and that may be the very reason why it feels like every song is a rehash for some people.
Exactly the point. Again for me, not a great song but very good one! The album looks and smells sooo fresh :P
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 03:08:34 PM
Post by: crimmer on November 02, 2018, 03:33:58 PM
but edging on not fussed overall about this song ,
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 03:49:33 PM
Post by: superval99 on November 02, 2018, 03:50:29 PM
on about 12 listens now of this song, im still not sure with this song etc, think I would preferer some flutes and violin in there , or a blues song etc , but still waiting to see what I think about it,
but edging on not fussed overall about this song ,
It's not a flutes and violin type of song though, is it? :think
Post by: koobaa on November 02, 2018, 03:58:33 PM
Post by: Robson on November 02, 2018, 04:22:48 PM
This one went "strait" to my all time favorites. I couldn't care less if it resembles or contains fragments of other songs. Pretty much everything produced these days could be analyzed like that but why. I enjoy every second of it. Brilliant work from MK and team!
:thumbsup Exactly
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 04:28:28 PM
Post by: crimmer on November 02, 2018, 04:33:41 PM
your right it isn't! ,just don't like synth's etc ,don't like start either ,I guess its not my kind of songon about 12 listens now of this song, im still not sure with this song etc, think I would preferer some flutes and violin in there , or a blues song etc , but still waiting to see what I think about it,
but edging on not fussed overall about this song ,
It's not a flutes and violin type of song though, is it? :think
Post by: crimmer on November 02, 2018, 04:35:28 PM
Post by: crimmer on November 02, 2018, 05:34:12 PM
I love marks guitar playing on it!!, but its just all the back ground noise so 80's and i really think its horrible,
I feel bad (sorry guys think this is first time I've moaned about a track on here apart from so far away and romeo and a lot of the straits stuff etc) lol ,i preferer terminal of tribute too over this! , was excited about 2nd track on album,
but have gone back listening too my traditional folk and my wonderfull blues today, son house , screaming Hawkins, john lee hooker and bb king , blind mc wile mctell and other knopfler solo stuff over this ,
really sorry guys!!!!,
know alot of you guys love this stuff
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 05:44:52 PM
Post by: Jasper90 on November 02, 2018, 06:03:15 PM
I was listening to yesterday on my phone because I had nothing else to play it on. And I loved it already, but like that. Just arived home and played on my good audio system,
And wow, I love this song even so much more... Quallity and soundwise it is really superb as well :clap.
Can't wait to hear this one live! Still 2 weeks to go for the whole album ;D
Post by: Knopflerfan on November 02, 2018, 06:08:54 PM
Post by: vr46mk on November 02, 2018, 07:21:33 PM
I was really excited about it when I first heard the guitar during the first part of the song...
The rest? Hmm, it's not awful (MK never is), but it's not "Wow!" either, it's good but not the best one of the album I think...
After the first 1-2 listenings, I thought I'd rate this one higher than GOYS, but it's starting to become the opposite now... just the way it is.
Anyway, happy another single came out before album release.
Now I just want to know my FA seats!!!! :clap
Post by: PensaGhost on November 02, 2018, 07:36:05 PM
Agree with some comments here...
I was really excited about it when I first heard the guitar during the first part of the song...
The rest? Hmm, it's not awful (MK never is), but it's not "Wow!" either, it's good but not the best one of the album I think...
After the first 1-2 listenings, I thought I'd rate this one higher than GOYS, but it's starting to become the opposite now... just the way it is.
Anyway, happy another single came out before album release.
Now I just want to know my FA seats!!!! :clap
hehe I am rating
Good on you 4/10 (6+ the live version without overproduction)
Dancefloor 7+
Post by: GIUMK on November 02, 2018, 07:38:03 PM
Agree with some comments here...
I was really excited about it when I first heard the guitar during the first part of the song...
The rest? Hmm, it's not awful (MK never is), but it's not "Wow!" either, it's good but not the best one of the album I think...
After the first 1-2 listenings, I thought I'd rate this one higher than GOYS, but it's starting to become the opposite now... just the way it is.
Anyway, happy another single came out before album release.
Now I just want to know my FA seats!!!! :clap
Well yes, as a first impact GOYS has a more radio-friendly cut compared to BOTDF but, in my opinion, because it has a beginning and an end not of first impact for the general public. However, by making the right cuts, it will work very well even on the radios. ;)
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2018, 07:58:18 PM
Agree with some comments here...
I was really excited about it when I first heard the guitar during the first part of the song...
The rest? Hmm, it's not awful (MK never is), but it's not "Wow!" either, it's good but not the best one of the album I think...
After the first 1-2 listenings, I thought I'd rate this one higher than GOYS, but it's starting to become the opposite now... just the way it is.
Anyway, happy another single came out before album release.
Now I just want to know my FA seats!!!! :clap
hehe I am rating
Good on you 4/10 (6+ the live version without overproduction)
Dancefloor 7+
7+ is a very good rating. If TR is a 10 and Speedway and 5.15 am are a 8 for me, then there is nothing better than 5 since 2012... it's fresh and new of course and we are like junkies so we love that there is ANYthing new, but I really doubt that these two songs will played very often in my future.. but it's good enough to not annoy me. I can listen to it as I listen to radio music during household work or stuff like that... it has a good cool mood. I picture cruising through a big city on a warm summer midnight, being cool, party people, heading to the next club...
LE
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 02, 2018, 08:11:35 PM
Of course you can say it is boring if you find it so - that is personal taste. With this and GOYS I am hoping that there are much better songs on the album - by which I mean I hope there are songs I like much more than these two. If there are not then I will hate the album - but I am 99.9% sure there will be plenty on there I like. The style of the first two songs released is not for me......my favourite Mark songs of recent years? Haul Away, Radio City Serenade, Laugh and Jokes, Lights of Taomina, Heart of Oak, Silver Eagle, My Heart Has Never Changed, Yon Two Crows, Border Reiver, Get Lucky, Montelone, Piper to the End. if you asked everyone on here thier favouite songs from the last few albums everyone would give a different answer and someone's least favourite would be someone elses number one big favourite.I could have written this myself.
Decidedly underwhelmed by the first two songs and love the ones you mention.
My main issue is with Guy's attempt at "modern" production. Some may think it's "new" and different but frankly I find it forced, contrived and out of place.
Hoping for some better "rootsy" type songs on the album and less of Guy's nonsense.
Post by: Robson on November 02, 2018, 08:55:51 PM
Post by: dannr1 on November 02, 2018, 09:15:58 PM
jepp.River Towns, boring :o
absolutely
It is a cool song. Can work out live very well
and hey---no pipes
would not say boring. Long cool girl and River Towns are more boring to me
Post by: regmka on November 02, 2018, 09:17:51 PM
Sometimes I do not understand. If Mark records similar albums, I read complaints, now we have something new, fresh, I also read complaints. Of course, everyone has their own taste, but I do not understand :)
Well, I've never asked for something fresh.
+1 to dustyvalentino and Nick14. I really miss those touching songs from Mark. And The Boxer cover shows that Mark is still able to perform such songs. Btw, both GOYS and BOTDS are ok, but I really hope that the rest of the album is more traditional.
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2018, 09:38:48 PM
Sometimes I do not understand. If Mark records similar albums, I read complaints, now we have something new, fresh, I also read complaints. Of course, everyone has their own taste, but I do not understand :)
It's simply the fact that it doesn’t matter how well and overloaded something is produced.. when the material is weak it will shine through and all the layers seem like a disguise. Contrary would be a song like Heart of Oak which needs nothing but Mark and a guitar and is so powerful because the song itself is high quality. BOTD is hardly something to expect from a songwriter but.. pop music?
Or: The less confident Mark and Guy are about the material, the more layers they wrap on to it to disguise the weakness.
This is nothing you have to agree with, it's just my opinion.
LE
Post by: Robson on November 02, 2018, 09:46:36 PM
Sometimes I do not understand. If Mark records similar albums, I read complaints, now we have something new, fresh, I also read complaints. Of course, everyone has their own taste, but I do not understand :)
It's simply the fact that it doesn’t matter how well and overloaded something is produced.. when the material is weak it will shine through and all the layers seem like a disguise. Contrary would be a song like Heart of Oak which needs nothing but Mark and a guitar and is so powerful because the song itself is high quality. BOTD is hardly something to expect from a songwriter but.. pop music?
Or: The less confident Mark and Guy are about the material, the more layers they wrap on to it to disguise the weakness.
This is nothing you have to agree with, it's just my opinion.
LE
I understand everything but Back On The Dance Floor is not pop music for me. It is a very good composition, well done. With taste, and sounds great.
I am tired of comparisons to Telegraf Road or Speedway At Nazarerth. Mark is looking into the future, he is also changing. He want something new. It's creative
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2018, 09:52:43 PM
It struck me that it really could be a title track on a Guy Fletcher solo album, soundwise, with MK guesting on the guitar. And it would be the best track on the album for sure. It's just not Mark.
I like the chorus singing with Guy's background vocals very much by the way. Shake em all down..
LE
Post by: Robson on November 02, 2018, 09:53:02 PM
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2018, 09:57:51 PM
Eagerly awaiting Trapper Man and Drover's Road more than ever. High hopes for good MK material here.
LE
Post by: primi on November 02, 2018, 10:04:21 PM
Definitely a skipper for me. Not surprised though. These days I'm down to 1 or 2 good songs per MK album at best so still plenty to chose from when it comes out. Unless this time I get to zero lol.I'm not gonna lie. This is a skipper.
It's like Vic&Ray just got groove. But it's still Vic&Ray...
Skipper was the first word that got in my mind, too. Then: "boring". And then: Is this really from the same man who wrote Telegraph Road or Romeo & Juliet or Sailing To Philadelphia?
LE
Shame because I really had high hopes for this song. They had Imelda May and they came up with this?
Post by: koobaa on November 02, 2018, 10:11:06 PM
It's simply the fact that it doesn’t matter how well and overloaded something is produced.. when the material is weak it will shine through and all the layers seem like a disguise.
I kind of feel the same about GOYS which proved to be really cool when performed live at BBC in a stripped down manner. However, in Back on the Dance Floor everything works for me including the synths. I love its late DS feel and groove.
Interesting to read other folks opinions and how different our reception of MK music can be.
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2018, 10:17:51 PM
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Post by: border_reiver on November 02, 2018, 10:22:14 PM
Listening to it right now and having Guy's sentence from today in my mind "If we don’t play it live I'll leave the band.."
It struck me that it really could be a title track on a Guy Fletcher solo album, soundwise, with MK guesting on the guitar. And it would be the best track on the album for sure. It's just not Mark.
Yup!
We agree on so much right now that it's scary. ;D
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2018, 10:43:33 PM
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Post by: quizzaciously on November 02, 2018, 11:15:05 PM
So what's it about? What's the setting? Poker? Striptease? Lots of clothes and shoes are mentioned. What people dress up like this, with a skull cane and these kinds of hats? Las Vegas?
LE
On the dance floor? :lol
Post by: dmg on November 02, 2018, 11:40:20 PM
So what's it about? What's the setting? Poker? Striptease? Lots of clothes and shoes are mentioned. What people dress up like this, with a skull cane and these kinds of hats? Las Vegas?
LE
On the dance floor? :lol
What? With his bad back! :o
Post by: jerryb on November 02, 2018, 11:48:57 PM
Post by: hunter on November 02, 2018, 11:59:14 PM
Post by: Fletch on November 03, 2018, 01:27:12 AM
I know that Ian Thomas is a highly recognized drummer, but I also find his drumming a little uninspiring at times. Maybe he was told to play that way by Mark? I honestly miss Pick Withers at times...
This comment made me smile! It's been a long 36 years has it? :)
Post by: stratocasteph on November 03, 2018, 01:29:12 AM
I totally agree. I really liked the last Imelda May album, produced by T Bone Burnett, so I was curious to hear her on a Mark's song. But put the amazing voice of Imelda in Guy Fletcher's hands, and he will make her sound like a poor 80's backing vocal. Such a shame !
Shame because I really had high hopes for this song. They had Imelda May and they came up with this?
So sad...
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 03, 2018, 01:50:24 AM
Late Dire Straits to me is On Every Street.
Not one song on that record sounds like these two new songs.
Maybe people are hearing what they want to hear.
Or maybe I'm wrong.
Either are equally possible.
Post by: quizzaciously on November 03, 2018, 01:53:59 AM
Listening to it right now and having Guy's sentence from today in my mind "If we don’t play it live I'll leave the band.."
It struck me that it really could be a title track on a Guy Fletcher solo album, soundwise, with MK guesting on the guitar. And it would be the best track on the album for sure. It's just not Mark.
Yup!
We agree on so much right now that it's scary. ;D
A lot of genuine wisdom in this thread. I agree on many points and have one of my own — why there’s a TAB for that song in the box? Tablature and sheet music to play what? Or they thought since it has a lot of chords, you got to include it? Anyway...
Post by: TJ on November 03, 2018, 02:42:33 AM
So what's it about? What's the setting? Poker? Striptease? Lots of clothes and shoes are mentioned. What people dress up like this, with a skull cane and these kinds of hats? Las Vegas?
LE
On the dance floor? :lol
I believe the "dance floor" in question is metaphorical, like "back in the game". Hence the reference to a "comeback".
I really dig this song. Kind of lukewarm on GOYS, which I think is weak lyrically and not well sung. If the rest of the album is in the same vein as these two I will be pleased. Not that I don't like the folk-roots stuff, but I'm ready for something different.
Post by: zigner on November 03, 2018, 03:21:34 AM
I like the chorus singing with Guy's background vocals very much by the way. Shake em all down..
LE
If the credits posted here are correct, the backing vocals are not Guy's, but instead Danny's.
Post by: koobaa on November 03, 2018, 05:39:01 AM
I don't understand people saying it sounds like "late Dire Straits".I'm not sure, maybe it's the overdriven guitar sound that is a bit more crunchy than most of what we heard recently (Pensa?). Plus this laidback singing manner, plus lack of pipes and fiddles, plus the groove... It's an overall feeling that makes this tune fitting more in the OES era than MK solo era. I think JF was spot on when he tried to describe the vibe of this song.
Late Dire Straits to me is On Every Street.
Not one song on that record sounds like these two new songs.
Maybe people are hearing what they want to hear.
Or maybe I'm wrong.
Either are equally possible.
GOYS is another story that I don't quite dig ;)
Post by: Love Expresso on November 03, 2018, 07:32:31 AM
I like the chorus singing with Guy's background vocals very much by the way. Shake em all down..
LE
If the credits posted here are correct, the backing vocals are not Guy's, but instead Danny's.
Yes but I can clearly hear him and trust my ears more than some liner notes who have already had two mistakes in it .. :lol
LE
Post by: Love Expresso on November 03, 2018, 07:37:49 AM
So what's it about? What's the setting? Poker? Striptease? Lots of clothes and shoes are mentioned. What people dress up like this, with a skull cane and these kinds of hats? Las Vegas?
LE
On the dance floor? :lol
I believe the "dance floor" in question is metaphorical, like "back in the game". Hence the reference to a "comeback".
I really dig this song. Kind of lukewarm on GOYS, which I think is weak lyrically and not well sung. If the rest of the album is in the same vein as these two I will be pleased. Not that I don't like the folk-roots stuff, but I'm ready for something different.
Yes but please don't leave my question too early only because of Quizzaciously's funny comment. Comeback idea is obvious, and I get that the dance floor has the same meaning as the first lines of Everybody pays (I got shot off my horse so what? I'm up again and playing in one of these big saloons on main). But he describes a certain type of character, especially about clothIng style. Who has a comeback here?
LE
Post by: hunter on November 03, 2018, 08:57:39 AM
For some reason, I have the Dylan video Duquesne Whistle in my mind when I hear this song:
(http://cdn.studiodaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/590_dylan.jpg)
I'm not saying BOTDF has anything to do with Dylan, but that's just the image I see, sort of.
Post by: superval99 on November 03, 2018, 09:03:22 AM
Post by: Mossguitar on November 03, 2018, 09:15:01 AM
Post by: hunter on November 03, 2018, 09:22:52 AM
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 03, 2018, 10:58:20 AM
I like this song! Voice, guitars, synths etc. Nice. Sound reminds me of the Brothers in arms album. Guy was clearly responsible for the pling-plong sounds and patterns on that album, and they have made a comeback here. The long directionless outtro too. I don’t hear any On Every Street album in the song, but Danys bongos are playing Your Latest Trick from the OES tour throughout the song (a bit annoying, because you’d expect Chris White to appear any second). I hear a bit of Follow Me Home in the song too. I normally like MK’s more country and rootsy songs best, but this was nice! And for the first time in AMIT history I don’t agree with Dusty
I was thinking about Your Latest Trick the other day, too and with its' comeback on the set list 2015 and with Danny back in the band I think it's pretty likeky that we will have it in OES style, don't you think?
LE
Post by: Love Expresso on November 03, 2018, 11:04:07 AM
I think it's about gambling clubs. :)
Me, too. I read that "smokeless" is an US expression. So maybe Las Vegas indeed?
LE
Post by: Mossguitar on November 03, 2018, 11:08:08 AM
I was thinking about Your Latest Trick the other day, too and with its' comeback on the set list 2015 and with Danny back in the band I think it's pretty likeky that we will have it in OES style, don't you think?Yes, I would think so. But perhaps with more jazzy drumming because of Ianto?
LE
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 03, 2018, 11:10:33 AM
Post by: Jasper90 on November 03, 2018, 11:21:50 AM
They’re gonna be jazzed we'd come". I love how he sings the "so sharp when we walk in..." a little bit around the rythm, bit behind the rythm ;D
Post by: Trawlerman on November 03, 2018, 11:54:21 AM
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 03, 2018, 11:59:28 AM
Post by: dmg on November 03, 2018, 12:48:11 PM
I think it's about gambling clubs. :)
There's certainly a Las Vegas thing there to my mind. Stetsons are not worn down Carnaby Street!
Post by: PensaGhost on November 03, 2018, 01:07:10 PM
I don't understand people saying it sounds like "late Dire Straits".
Late Dire Straits to me is On Every Street.
Not one song on that record sounds like these two new songs.
Maybe people are hearing what they want to hear.
Or maybe I'm wrong.
Either are equally possible.
I agree, can't find anything of OES out of these 2
Post by: hunter on November 03, 2018, 01:14:14 PM
Post by: superval99 on November 03, 2018, 01:23:38 PM
Post by: Love Expresso on November 03, 2018, 01:40:58 PM
Just thinking...... Lots of classical composers wrote variations on a piece of music they had written, for example Elgar's Enigma Variations, which were sketches on the same theme, but each one written for different members of his friends and family. So why shouldn't MK write a variation on Terminal, or whatever? If it was OK for Elgar, etc why not MK? :think ;)
Yes he has done that several times. Walk of Life/Cannibals.. Sultans/Lady Writer, and so on. He develops ideas, is maybe not convinced and is trying again. He looks forward and seldomly plays his old records, so the songs are just versions to him maybe.
LE
Post by: superval99 on November 03, 2018, 01:50:33 PM
Just thinking...... Lots of classical composers wrote variations on a piece of music they had written, for example Elgar's Enigma Variations, which were sketches on the same theme, but each one written for different members of his friends and family. So why shouldn't MK write a variation on Terminal, or whatever? If it was OK for Elgar, etc why not MK? :think ;)
Yes he has done that several times. Walk of Life/Cannibals.. Sultans/Lady Writer, and so on. He develops ideas, is maybe not convinced and is trying again. He looks forward and seldomly plays his old records, so the songs are just versions to him maybe.
LE
I'm sure he sees it as a development of the previous version - hoping for something superior. :)
Post by: Love Expresso on November 03, 2018, 01:52:41 PM
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Post by: Silvertown on November 03, 2018, 02:01:26 PM
Post by: GIUMK on November 03, 2018, 02:01:57 PM
Just thinking...... Lots of classical composers wrote variations on a piece of music they had written, for example Elgar's Enigma Variations, which were sketches on the same theme, but each one written for different members of his friends and family. So why shouldn't MK write a variation on Terminal, or whatever? If it was OK for Elgar, etc why not MK? :think ;)
Yes he has done that several times. Walk of Life/Cannibals.. Sultans/Lady Writer, and so on. He develops ideas, is maybe not convinced and is trying again. He looks forward and seldomly plays his old records, so the songs are just versions to him maybe.
LE
I'm sure he sees it as a development of the previous version - hoping for something superior. :)
Yes, it's true, you're right. It is as if revisiting his old songs re-elaborate them in a new guise. But come on, I feel good and I think it's okay for all of us Mark's fans, regardless of taste. :)
Post by: PensaGhost on November 03, 2018, 02:07:38 PM
Just thinking...... Lots of classical composers wrote variations on a piece of music they had written, for example Elgar's Enigma Variations, which were sketches on the same theme, but each one written for different members of his friends and family. So why shouldn't MK write a variation on Terminal, or whatever? If it was OK for Elgar, etc why not MK? :think ;)
I agree there's nothing wrong. But at the same time it's correct to say this is the first time the main melody is exactly the same, that's what is surprising. I think the reasons are 2. First, the melody was too good to be put only in a deluxe version of an album (Tracker) and be left out of any main album. Second, maybe rethinking at it he might have thought the lyrics of the original song was too harsh to be played live, it really seems this new one will be played live according to what GF says.
Post by: superval99 on November 03, 2018, 02:08:35 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on November 03, 2018, 02:10:07 PM
I'm still enjoying it very much and even Terminal is disappearing from my mind now - I think my brain is ignoring it! ;D I just love the rhythm and the general atmosphere of the song! :)
just listen to Terminal immediately after Dancefloor, imo the first is superior overall, still Dancefloor is a good 7+.
Post by: kaleo74 on November 03, 2018, 02:38:51 PM
I'm still enjoying it very much and even Terminal is disappearing from my mind now - I think my brain is ignoring it! ;D I just love the rhythm and the general atmosphere of the song! :)
Same for me, I like BOTDF more and more, it tells my brain to play it again and again...
Even if Terminal is a good song, I think this one has more interesting arrangements, harmonies and of course less acoustic instruments.
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 03, 2018, 02:49:08 PM
I'm still enjoying it very much and even Terminal is disappearing from my mind now - I think my brain is ignoring it! ;D I just love the rhythm and the general atmosphere of the song! :)
Same here, I love this song and am very excited about DTRW. As someone wisely said, if he sticks to flutes and pipes he sounds repetitive, if he changes the approach it's a rehash. Guys, that's Mark there, he's always gonna sound like... Mark. And in the end it's always a matter of taste.
In my humble opinion Mark and Guy wanted to shake things up and gave it a go. It's pointless to expect him to write another TR or a new R&J, he's a different man now, with different experiences and perspectives, obviously inspired by different things but without fail with his unmistakable touch.
Post by: Robson on November 03, 2018, 02:56:48 PM
:thumbsup Exactly
Post by: dmg on November 03, 2018, 04:02:48 PM
Just thinking...... Lots of classical composers wrote variations on a piece of music they had written, for example Elgar's Enigma Variations, which were sketches on the same theme, but each one written for different members of his friends and family. So why shouldn't MK write a variation on Terminal, or whatever? If it was OK for Elgar, etc why not MK? :think ;)
Yes he has done that several times. Walk of Life/Cannibals.. Sultans/Lady Writer, and so on. He develops ideas, is maybe not convinced and is trying again. He looks forward and seldomly plays his old records, so the songs are just versions to him maybe.
LE
You can add Money For Nothing/Heavy Fuel to that list too. The difference with Dance Floor is that it is a development of Terminal whereas the others are non-developments.
Post by: kaleo74 on November 03, 2018, 04:49:54 PM
Mark is doing Mark that’s it.
Post by: Love Expresso on November 03, 2018, 04:53:10 PM
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Post by: JF on November 03, 2018, 10:43:46 PM
and ALL people I know that are not die hard fans like us, tell ALL the same thing : "hey it's clearly soundind Dire Straits !"
so we try to find similarities,we make comparaisons with other songs, we analyse the guitar tone, we decortic Mark's voice, we study the melody, the chords, etc.....
BUT from a lamba point of view : that song "sounds" like Dire Straits. And it's not me who is saying this, it's just many people that listen to many many kind of other musics, and have a "global" vision of DS and MK. And these same people didn't say this when the heard, let's say, Get lucky at taratata tv show for example.
So yes, we dire hard fans can say, no it doesn't soudn like DS, etc... but honestly, dont you think that it's a little bit closer to what people think of "DS sound" than other slow folk songs he made in the past ? And I confirm that Iove these songs too, that's not the debate.
Post by: hunter on November 03, 2018, 10:49:51 PM
Post by: JF on November 03, 2018, 10:54:47 PM
I think the synths are a major reason why this feels more DS than Mark's solo work. Especially why non-die hards would think that way. Synths plus "soft rock" plus radio-friendly song. That really was the DS sound in the 80s, which of course the sound that most people associate with DS.
excatly :thumbsup
Post by: Love Expresso on November 03, 2018, 11:09:27 PM
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Post by: Robson on November 03, 2018, 11:12:54 PM
Post by: localhero1986 on November 03, 2018, 11:48:59 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on November 03, 2018, 11:52:06 PM
Maybe. But it's definitely better than Les Boys or One World :)
not really
Post by: superval99 on November 04, 2018, 07:40:12 AM
Post by: Love Expresso on November 04, 2018, 10:42:47 AM
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Post by: superval99 on November 04, 2018, 11:00:20 AM
I have listened to both tracks now several times in a row and I haven't for the life of me any idea where BOTDF should sound like TOTT... maybe I am too facile...
LE
It's very strange, but it jumped out at me immediately I heard it for the first few times. Now, however, it's harder for me to hear the resemblance - it was on the verses "Hand me down...." etc. I still hear "The Letter" from 1.44 to 1.54, "Goin' all the way"...... both times! :)
As I said earlier, my brain is tuned to ignore! ;D
Post by: tobi777 on November 04, 2018, 11:11:13 AM
I have listened to both tracks now several times in a row and I haven't for the life of me any idea where BOTDF should sound like TOTT... maybe I am too facile...
LE
Please compare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79hCG2dUqS0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79hCG2dUqS0)
00:52-01:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKx3-w3VisA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKx3-w3VisA)
00:52-01:12
Post by: superval99 on November 04, 2018, 11:14:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATvu5f9vE
Post by: Love Expresso on November 04, 2018, 11:19:59 AM
I remember similar moments on Heart Full Of Holes and on Monteleone, a few notes echoeing from older songs.
I am not trying to defend him, I am the first to call it recycling for a couple of years now. But this time I suspect a little picky hysterical search for stuff like this.
LE
Post by: Love Expresso on November 04, 2018, 11:24:51 AM
I know it doesn't sound remotely like BOTDF, but Robert Palmer's "Addicted to Love" would fit in the same "type" of song!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATvu5f9vE
Absolutely. And as quizzaciously said very early, that Brian Ferry feel. But feel or type is completely different from copying own stuff.
LE
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 04, 2018, 11:28:18 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if whoever owns the publishing for The Letter is sending their own letter to MK right now. It's note for note.
Post by: border_reiver on November 04, 2018, 11:28:42 AM
I know it doesn't sound remotely like BOTDF, but Robert Palmer's "Addicted to Love" would fit in the same "type" of song!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATvu5f9vE
What now? :)
That's a straightforward rock songs with power chords. MK remembered that stuff temporarily with Corned Beef City and then forgot it again.
I can't seem to fit it into this jazz-primental. ;)
Post by: Love Expresso on November 04, 2018, 11:33:58 AM
These first two songs sound like, I am out of spirits, uninspired, here Guy, these are the lyrics, make me something. Implausible is the word.
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Post by: dustyvalentino on November 04, 2018, 11:35:33 AM
Anyway. For my money The Letter is one of the all time great pop songs and I find this video hilarious. Check out the audience!
https://youtu.be/4_BuX7EXqvQ
Post by: superval99 on November 04, 2018, 11:41:40 AM
Post by: Love Expresso on November 04, 2018, 11:50:23 AM
But if he would have come up with an album just he and an acoustic, with a dozen songs near the quality of River Of Grog or Heart Of Oak, even if they all would have just been around 2 or 3 min., and abandoned the electric guitar, I guess I would have been much more pleased.
But of course, these are just two songs. One or two real MK gems from the new record could make me become reconciled pretty fast. I have very high hopes for Drover's Road and Nobody's Child after JF's and Rail King's descriptions.
LE
Post by: superval99 on November 04, 2018, 12:01:24 PM
No doubt about that, Val.
But if he would have come up with an album just he and an acoustic, with a dozen songs near the quality of River Of Grog or Heart Of Oak, even if they all would have just been around 2 or 3 min., and abandoned the electric guitar, I guess I would have been much more pleased.
But of course, these are just two songs. One or two real MK gems from the new record could make me become reconciled pretty fast. I have very high hopes for Drover's Road and Nobody's Child after JF's and Rail King's descriptions.
LE
Yes, I'm sure there will be songs on the album to satisfy everyone's tastes. As for me I really love BOTDF - even more with each listen and, although I like GOYS a lot, I prefer Dancefloor. Acoustic songs, like River of Grog, will be great to have on the album too, but there has to be some upbeat music too otherwise it may be rather dull and samey.
Post by: superval99 on November 04, 2018, 12:06:11 PM
Anyway. For my money The Letter is one of the all time great pop songs and I find this video hilarious. Check out the audience!
https://youtu.be/4_BuX7EXqvQ
Love the video, dusty! Was the audience filled with zombies? :lol BTW The Letter is one of my all time favourites.
Post by: Love Expresso on November 04, 2018, 12:07:32 PM
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Post by: jbaent on November 04, 2018, 12:31:22 PM
Post by: superval99 on November 04, 2018, 12:33:16 PM
I re-read Rail King's first impressions and I must say I am totally impressed by them. I adore how positive and motivated the lines are written and they really make me even more curious. Much better written as anything from journalists in reviews and similiar. (Liked that Captain Future reference, big fan of Christian Bruhn's score. Who would have thought that my both passions would come together on an album from MK).
LE
I just read Rail King's notes again myself and, I agree with you, LE, he is a very good writer and all of the songs are so wonderfully described that I want that album right now! ;D
Post by: hunter on November 04, 2018, 12:55:37 PM
Yes, I'm sure there will be songs on the album to satisfy everyone's tastes. As for me I really love BOTDF - even more with each listen and, although I like GOYS a lot, I prefer Dancefloor. Acoustic songs, like River of Grog, will be great to have on the album too, but there has to be some upbeat music too otherwise it may be rather dull and samey.
I think an album with only Mark and an acoustic guitar really wouldn't work. He just doesn't have the carrying power of say someone like James Taylor or Paul Simon. He needs backing musicians.
Post by: Love Expresso on November 04, 2018, 12:59:21 PM
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Post by: hunter on November 04, 2018, 01:41:23 PM
Post by: Love Expresso on November 04, 2018, 01:48:33 PM
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Post by: Robson on November 04, 2018, 01:54:29 PM
I am just glad that MK is still exploring other music, even in his "old age". It shows that he is still looking forward and hasn't followed the usual elderly singers who have resorted to covers and Christmas albums - thank God! :)
:thumbsup Essence
Post by: hunter on November 04, 2018, 09:13:15 PM
JF, is Imelda featured on other tracks as prominently as on this track?
Post by: Robson on November 04, 2018, 11:41:19 PM
Post by: Fletch on November 04, 2018, 11:48:53 PM
OK if we are saying it's OK to recycle your own stuff that's fine but not sure about other artists.
Wouldn't surprise me if whoever owns the publishing for The Letter is sending their own letter to MK right now. It's note for note.
Where does it end? When it Comes To You (OES) is carbon copy of JJ Cales Same Old Blues, and Why Worry is a cc of that instrumental on the Chet album, the list goes on. This sort of thing is really only a legal problem when lawyers get involved eg My Sweet Lord etc.
Otherwise, as has been mentioned many times, almost all western music is built upon Blues/Jazz standard progressions and the melodies float on top at their own peril of plagiarism. I find it hard to listen to almost anything 'new' these days without hearing past songs and I've just come to accept it.
Post by: Nick14 on November 05, 2018, 10:20:48 AM
Post by: border_reiver on November 05, 2018, 10:37:46 AM
Someone said, I think, that it sounded like something on a Guy solo record - and I am not a fan of his music at all. I don't find it innovative - and the fact that it is Mark trying something new matters not a jot to me - for me it is about whether I like the song or not - and I don't like this song.
That is probably why Guy is raving about this song. It's right up his alley. Just like yourself I'm hoping that the other tracks differ in style.
Pipes and fiddles, please come back. All is forgiven! ;D
Post by: Rail King on November 05, 2018, 10:43:22 AM
I re-read Rail King's first impressions and I must say I am totally impressed by them. I adore how positive and motivated the lines are written and they really make me even more curious. Much better written as anything from journalists in reviews and similiar. (Liked that Captain Future reference, big fan of Christian Bruhn's score. Who would have thought that my both passions would come together on an album from MK).
LE
Oh, thank you, LE. Christian Bruhn is indeed a genius, as is Mark. And yes, I'd never ever thought that I'd mention them both in one sentence one day. Anyway, you'll definitely like Nobody Does That, then. Hardly the "best" song on the album, but certainly one of the most enjoyable.
Post by: superval99 on November 05, 2018, 10:45:07 AM
Post by: Knopflerfan on November 05, 2018, 10:47:36 AM
Someone said, I think, that it sounded like something on a Guy solo record - and I am not a fan of his music at all. I don't find it innovative - and the fact that it is Mark trying something new matters not a jot to me - for me it is about whether I like the song or not - and I don't like this song.
That is probably why Guy is raving about this song. It's right up his alley. Just like yourself I'm hoping that the other tracks differ in style.
Pipes and fiddles, please come back. All is forgiven! ;D
I agree with regard the folkies and am sure we will inevitably get some Pipes and Whistles but hopefully not too much... I personally really like BOTDF along with GOYS....
Post by: superval99 on November 05, 2018, 12:04:16 PM
I gave this a few more listens but it got worse rather than better - easily one of my least favourite MK songs. I find it bland, boring, soulless, and lacking in any depth. I find Guy's influence takes the song into areas that I am just not interested in musically - and the lyrics are not capitaving enough to then get me interested. It was similar, though not as much so, with GOYS. Someone said, I think, that it sounded like something on a Guy solo record - and I am not a fan of his music at all. I don't find it innovative - and the fact that it is Mark trying something new matters not a jot to me - for me it is about whether I like the song or not - and I don't like this song. But - that is no big deal as I have said - every Mark album contains songs I love, songs that I like, songs I find ok, and, usually, one or two I don't like at all. For me one of Mark's great strengths is his variety, despite what some say, I find his styles pretty varied amongst genres of music - and it sounds like this album will be no different. I listed earlier the sort of songs I love - my favourite Mark solo songs....to those I would include, over the years.....Golden Heart, Darling Pretty, Night in Summer, Sailing to Philadelphia, What it Is, The Last Laugh, Silvertown Blues, One More Matinee, Speedway, Old Pigweed, Devil Baby, Hillfarmer, Ragpicker, Koxville, Quality Shoe, Stand-Up Guy, Paraguay, Scaffolder, Secondary Waltz, Heart full of Holes.....that's the stuff I love - and I hope to add to that list with some stuff of the new album.
Nothing from Privateering or Tracker? ???
Post by: dmg on November 05, 2018, 12:10:49 PM
Someone said, I think, that it sounded like something on a Guy solo record - and I am not a fan of his music at all. I don't find it innovative - and the fact that it is Mark trying something new matters not a jot to me - for me it is about whether I like the song or not - and I don't like this song.
That is probably why Guy is raving about this song. It's right up his alley. Just like yourself I'm hoping that the other tracks differ in style.
Pipes and fiddles, please come back. All is forgiven! ;D
Let's not be silly now. :smack
Post by: hunter on November 05, 2018, 12:28:32 PM
Post by: Nick14 on November 05, 2018, 12:33:03 PM
Post by: superval99 on November 05, 2018, 12:36:59 PM
Sorry - I listed my favourite songs from Tracker, Privaterring and Get Lucky earlier in the thread so didn't repeat them......have a scroll back!
Sorry, missed it! :smack
Found it! :thumbsup
Post by: Robson on November 05, 2018, 01:03:59 PM
I love Dancefloor more and more each day - can't stop listening! I also love all of the songs that Nick 14 mentions and I'm sure the new album will be a mix of songs that satisfies every taste. :)
:thumbsup Back On The Dance Floor is great. Imelda May in backing vocals a very good idea
Post by: Rail King on November 05, 2018, 01:39:03 PM
So what's it about? What's the setting? Poker? Striptease? Lots of clothes and shoes are mentioned. What people dress up like this, with a skull cane and these kinds of hats? Las Vegas?
LE
On the dance floor? :lol
I believe the "dance floor" in question is metaphorical, like "back in the game". Hence the reference to a "comeback".
I really dig this song. Kind of lukewarm on GOYS, which I think is weak lyrically and not well sung. If the rest of the album is in the same vein as these two I will be pleased. Not that I don't like the folk-roots stuff, but I'm ready for something different.
Yes but please don't leave my question too early only because of Quizzaciously's funny comment. Comeback idea is obvious, and I get that the dance floor has the same meaning as the first lines of Everybody pays (I got shot off my horse so what? I'm up again and playing in one of these big saloons on main). But he describes a certain type of character, especially about clothIng style. Who has a comeback here?
LE
What puzzles me is the Stetson and the 41 (a revolver). Somebody's obviously dressing up as cowboys here (or as Dylan-style pimps, given the wingtip shoes and skull-head cane). But who would do that, and why? It this some sort of cabaret? This would indeed hint back at Les Boys, and replacing the SS caps with Stetsons could even count as a clever political commentary, haha. :o
Post by: Rail King on November 05, 2018, 01:42:40 PM
Someone said, I think, that it sounded like something on a Guy solo record - and I am not a fan of his music at all. I don't find it innovative - and the fact that it is Mark trying something new matters not a jot to me - for me it is about whether I like the song or not - and I don't like this song.
That is probably why Guy is raving about this song. It's right up his alley. Just like yourself I'm hoping that the other tracks differ in style.
Pipes and fiddles, please come back. All is forgiven! ;D
I agree with regard the folkies and am sure we will inevitably get some Pipes and Whistles but hopefully not too much... I personally really like BOTDF along with GOYS....
Don't worry, with One Song at a Time you'll get one of his very best pipes & whistles songs! And there's a number of other songs on the album that are dramatically different (simpler) in style.
Post by: Nick14 on November 05, 2018, 01:55:49 PM
Post by: JF on November 05, 2018, 03:02:20 PM
JF, is Imelda featured on other tracks as prominently as on this track?
I don't think so. Rail King, do you remember ?
Post by: JF on November 05, 2018, 03:21:15 PM
Of course it was very often made by bluesmen, and early rocknroll musicians like Chuck Berry.
But it seems it was a common practice before that time, during the 19th century
the french author-composer-singer Georges Brassens dit it with "la prière" and "il n'y a pas d'amour heureux"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvlz1_TOYHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7e0UkT4XA
and aslo with "Le nombril des femmes d'agents", "Carcassonne " and "La chaude pisse"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCKu8-u4-HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpkSNuKfy3g
he explained in an interview that in the nineteenth century,there were circulated basic melodies (a bit like the blues in jazz) on which the singers could stick the words they had composed. These all-purpose melodies were called "tones".
The tones were used until the 50s in France, especially by the "chansonniers of the Grenier de Montmartre" (on the Paris Inter Radio) who wrote or even improvised topical couplets on standard tunes, and then audience took up the refrains.
But seeing that what he had sought to resurrect was misunderstood, ("Who is this slacker who serves us two songs on the same tune?") Brassens did not repeat the experiment.
http://www.analysebrassens.com/?page=texte&id=34&%23
Post by: Rail King on November 05, 2018, 03:25:33 PM
JF, is Imelda featured on other tracks as prominently as on this track?
I don't think so. Rail King, do you remember ?
Actually, I don't think she was featured very prominently anywhere, not even on this track. ;) "Prominently", in my understanding, would mean a similar role to that of Emmylou Harris or Ruth Moody on "Wherever I Go". On Down the Road Wherever, though, there are no female lead vocals, just quite a lot of backing vocals. And - shame on me - I didn't even care to look up who sang on what so far. Don't get me wrong, I like the backing vocals on the album, but telling one voice from the other in the mix is not something I spent a lot of time on so far. I was too busy analyzing the overall song structures and lyrics etc.
Post by: Robson on November 05, 2018, 10:08:12 PM
Back On The Dance Floor
Nobody's Child
Good On You Son
My Bacon Roll
Nobody Does That
Heavy Up
Floating Away
Every Heart In The Room
Don’t Suck Me In
Sky And Water
:think
Post by: jbaent on November 05, 2018, 10:18:46 PM
Don't get what you mean.
Post by: Robson on November 05, 2018, 10:29:59 PM
Post by: 2manyguitars on November 05, 2018, 10:36:05 PM
about artists recycling their own songs/melodies/chords structures etc....
Of course it was very often made by bluesmen, and early rocknroll musicians like Chuck Berry.
But it seems it was a common practice before that time, during the 19th century
the french author-composer-singer Georges Brassens dit it with "la prière" and "il n'y a pas d'amour heureux"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvlz1_TOYHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7e0UkT4XA
and aslo with "Le nombril des femmes d'agents", "Carcassonne " and "La chaude pisse"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCKu8-u4-HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpkSNuKfy3g
he explained in an interview that in the nineteenth century,there were circulated basic melodies (a bit like the blues in jazz) on which the singers could stick the words they had composed. These all-purpose melodies were called "tones".
The tones were used until the 50s in France, especially by the "chansonniers of the Grenier de Montmartre" (on the Paris Inter Radio) who wrote or even improvised topical couplets on standard tunes, and then audience took up the refrains.
But seeing that what he had sought to resurrect was misunderstood, ("Who is this slacker who serves us two songs on the same tune?") Brassens did not repeat the experiment.
http://www.analysebrassens.com/?page=texte&id=34&%23
And lets not forget classical musics 'liberal' 'borrowing' of traditional folk tunes....
Ultimately with western scales and 12 keys (hanging off of my chain...) repetition is inevitable, it doesn't bother me in MKs case because he as a wide breadth of material and over 40+ years he has rarely recycled anything. What bothers me is the laziness of a lot of modern pop music where the same sequences are used over and over, mainly variations on Pachelbel's canon....
Drives me up the wall....lol
Post by: Marijo58 on November 05, 2018, 10:44:58 PM
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 05, 2018, 11:15:56 PM
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Post by: Rail King on November 06, 2018, 03:51:02 PM
Am I the only one who wonders about the strange sound of the SHAKE ....sh-sounds? Sounds not right to me.
LE
You might indeed be the only one here, just as I am the only one having a problem with «shake it up ... to the rhythm» in GOYS. :lol First-world problems, right?
Post by: PensaGhost on November 06, 2018, 07:46:57 PM
sounds like it was released 2-3 albums ago
Post by: goon525 on November 06, 2018, 09:20:53 PM
Post by: superval99 on November 07, 2018, 08:25:38 AM
I really don’t get the negatives from so many of you. I’m away from home and have yet to hear it through the 'proper' Hi-Fi. But on good 'phones, it made an immediate and positive impact on me, one of the best things he’s done in years. And also, one of the most commercial things he’s done in years. UK readers may understand what I mean when I say that I could even see him performing it on Strictly. Don’t sneer - that would mean seven or eight million people getting to hear it. And the song title is kind of appropriate!
Yes, I also mentioned him playing on "Strictly" a few pages ago, but then I wondered if it would be possible for him to do justice to it "live" with the small band he uses for promos. :think
Post by: Nick14 on November 07, 2018, 10:01:21 AM
Post by: GIUMK on November 07, 2018, 10:12:31 AM
Post by: hunter on November 07, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
Am I the only one who wonders about the strange sound of the SHAKE ....sh-sounds? Sounds not right to me.
LE
If Guy is singing background vocals on this one, it could be his voice, as his "s" is a bit "rich". (Not quite as rich as Sean Connery, though ha-ha) Or, it could just be the blend of all the voices. S and sh sounds, so called sibilants, are often very problematic during recording. They often use a technique called de-essing to alleviate this. Playback too for that matter can be an issue. If you have a sound system which is a bit louder in the treble region (and have a room with hard walls, which results in echo), it can sound horrible. Try some Bach choral music sung in German on a system like that.
Post by: goon525 on November 07, 2018, 11:24:51 AM
It is so weird when people say things like "I don't get the negatives from so many of you" - as if one person can't concieve that another person woud not like the thing they like. Really, really odd. I don't like the song - you do. I would never say "I don't get why some of you are so positive about this song" - because....erm...people like different things. I am, generally, not a fan of overly commercial sounding music - in the way I think you mean it - so the fact that this is commercial, or sounds good on the radio, whatever that means etc holds no value for me. For me, songs stand and fall on thier own merits - the depth of the song, the power, the meaning, the joy, the fun etc. For me, this song is a souless bore and a grand case of the emperor's new clothes. But is really is quite easy to understand people liking different things.
I’m certainly not trying to prevent you expressing an opinion, I’m just a bit surprised by it (and the fact that quite a few of us seem to be in your camp). I think it’s good AND commercial, you think it’s no good AND commercial. To me it’s a piece of archetypal Knopfler - which should be something that draws us together. But I accept you don’t agree!
Post by: hunter on November 07, 2018, 11:31:31 AM
Post by: 2manyguitars on November 07, 2018, 12:06:45 PM
Am I the only one who wonders about the strange sound of the SHAKE ....sh-sounds? Sounds not right to me.
LE
If Guy is singing background vocals on this one, it could be his voice, as his "s" is a bit "rich". (Not quite as rich as Sean Connery, though ha-ha) Or, it could just be the blend of all the voices. S and sh sounds, so called sibilants, are often very problematic during recording. They often use a technique called de-essing to alleviate this. Playback too for that matter can be an issue. If you have a sound system which is a bit louder in the treble region (and have a room with hard walls, which results in echo), it can sound horrible. Try some Bach choral music sung in German on a system like that.
HI guys, speaking as someone who has owned and run a recording studio for a long time, if you're having to use de-essing to remove plosives and sibilants then you've done something wrong at the recording stage. I think its what mark and guy mean about getting a decent recording from the start. Proper sound treatment and a decent pop filter will reduce issues by 95%, the rest is down to mic placement etc. Even the best hardware and software solutions to such issues result in bad degradation of the original source and I wouldn't use them in a recording unless absolutely necessary.
It would be really interesting to know the small detail surrounding the recording of the new songs, something to learn for everyone.
Post by: Nick14 on November 07, 2018, 01:28:09 PM
Meantime - being really selfish - I have heard two songs from the new album and not liked either very much - I would love to hear a song from it that I can get excited about so I can join all you Good on You and Dancefloor fans!
Post by: goon525 on November 07, 2018, 02:23:53 PM
Post by: hunter on November 07, 2018, 02:30:44 PM
Post by: Nick14 on November 07, 2018, 02:43:26 PM
Post by: goon525 on November 07, 2018, 03:27:33 PM
I am not arguing with anyone - I'm responding to comments......Why would you think I wouldn't like What It Is? I love it - already said that on here before. What It Is is nothing like Dancefloor as a song though.
Fair enough!
Post by: Robson on November 07, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
Post by: GIUMK on November 07, 2018, 06:56:55 PM
Radio version 3.38
Where did you read it?
Post by: Robson on November 07, 2018, 07:19:24 PM
Radio version 3.38
Where did you read it?
Today Universal sent to radio stations
Post by: GIUMK on November 07, 2018, 07:23:33 PM
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on November 07, 2018, 10:44:53 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on November 07, 2018, 10:51:37 PM
@quizzaciously the beginning and end is not a shuffle, the beat is half-time :)
Exactly! I call it shuffle because of the Purdie Shuffle as in many of the songs he played in...
Here's a great video of him 'splaining his version of half-time beat. I love it so much so I just call is a shuffle. Hope it makes sense :lol
By the way, the tone of the drums and the feel is strikingly similar to Back On The Dance Floor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ldtieSEyQM
Post by: JF on November 07, 2018, 11:00:51 PM
shuffle is meant for non-straight time. In french we call it "ternary"
by the way did you notice that in the whole DS discography, there are only 3 songs in shuffle time : Fade to black, My parties, and Bernadette
Post by: quizzaciously on November 07, 2018, 11:08:10 PM
yes half-time
shuffle is meant for non-straight time. In french we call it "ternary"
by the way did you notice that in the whole DS discography, there are only 3 songs in shuffle time : Fade to black, My parties, and Bernadette
I'm not a music expert by any means, I know a lot of chords and a little theory which is enough to play all what I ever wanted to play. And I don't know a lot about rhythms and stuff... But if you ask me, I love the term "shuffle" a million times more than the term "half-time", so I'd call it like that even if it's completely wrong. I hear Back On The Dance Floor intro and the first word that comes to my mind — shuffle.
Post by: jbaent on November 07, 2018, 11:19:27 PM
LOL
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 08, 2018, 12:54:45 AM
But no way is BOTD as good as What It Is. Never in a million years. What It Is is classic Knopfler.
Post by: superval99 on November 08, 2018, 10:21:59 AM
I know it's all subjective, and we all like different things and yada yada yada...
But no way is BOTD as good as What It Is. Never in a million years. What It Is is classic Knopfler.
Apples and oranges. ;)
Post by: hunter on November 08, 2018, 10:30:36 AM
Then again, there's just something cool about Back On The Dance Floor that appeals to me. It may not be a better song, if judged by some objective standard, but if it moves you, who cares?
Post by: dmg on November 08, 2018, 12:52:05 PM
I know it's all subjective, and we all like different things and yada yada yada...
But no way is BOTD as good as What It Is. Never in a million years. What It Is is classic Knopfler.
I like both but that's the truth right there. Different class.
Listening to both the new songs for a wee while now I tend to lean toward GOYS as my favourite.
Post by: crimmer on November 08, 2018, 05:20:42 PM
I agree My first listens too BOTD I didnt really like at all, but very slowly growing on me now, but do preferer GOYS , and yes What It is , is one of my most listened too dire straits / Knopfler songs, love the breakdown live with mike and john especially in 2013 and awesome opener too!!I know it's all subjective, and we all like different things and yada yada yada...
But no way is BOTD as good as What It Is. Never in a million years. What It Is is classic Knopfler.
I like both but that's the truth right there. Different class.
Listening to both the new songs for a wee while now I tend to lean toward GOYS as my favourite.
Post by: wespresso on November 09, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Post by: goon525 on November 09, 2018, 05:28:12 PM
Post by: enrkaton82 on November 15, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Glad i was wrong.
Post by: jbaent on November 15, 2018, 02:42:13 PM
Post by: Nick14 on November 15, 2018, 02:45:40 PM
Post by: superval99 on November 15, 2018, 02:46:36 PM
Post by: Nick14 on November 15, 2018, 02:48:01 PM
Post by: jbaent on November 15, 2018, 02:53:56 PM
But in comparation with the rest of record, doesn't say anything to me at least musically. Actually I would had put it between the bonus, after listening to all songs.
Post by: Robson on November 15, 2018, 03:38:07 PM
Post by: jbaent on November 15, 2018, 04:05:38 PM
Really Back On The Floor bonus? I suspect that the new album is perfect :)
Words cannot explain...
Post by: Robson on November 15, 2018, 04:10:47 PM
Really Back On The Floor bonus? I suspect that the new album is perfect :)
Words cannot explain...
I understand. Tomorrow I will know more:)
Post by: naif on November 15, 2018, 04:21:10 PM
Really Back On The Floor bonus? I suspect that the new album is perfect :)
Words cannot explain...
Really i wonder, fooling or real opinion?
Post by: jbaent on November 15, 2018, 04:23:38 PM
Really Back On The Floor bonus? I suspect that the new album is perfect :)
Words cannot explain...
Really i wonder, fooling or real opinion?
Real opinon. It's a great record with a mixture of things that you won't expect from someone which his last record was " tracker".
Post by: naif on November 15, 2018, 04:34:43 PM
Really Back On The Floor bonus? I suspect that the new album is perfect :)
Words cannot explain...
Really i wonder, fooling or real opinion?
Real opinon. It's a great record with a mixture of things that you won't expect from someone which his last record was " tracker".
Agreed, Great record with lots of styles and good songs. :clap
Post by: superval99 on November 15, 2018, 04:37:57 PM
Post by: jbaent on November 15, 2018, 04:40:05 PM
I had no skippers on Privateering or Tracker and still listen right through, but already on this album I know there are three or four that I will skip. Which means that this could be my worst album, I'm sorry to say, but I will give it time to grow - hopefully!
Every person is a world, lol, for me tracker is full of skippers :-P
Post by: naif on November 15, 2018, 05:00:11 PM
Post by: superval99 on November 15, 2018, 05:01:46 PM
Tracker's sound so lifeless and thin. Drums sounds like a childs drum kıt. Has a good songs yes, but sounds badly. Not a sonic way of course. Tastes are different of course.
It doesn't sound thin and lifeless to me, or I wouldn't have been listening for three years! ;)
Post by: naif on November 15, 2018, 05:07:05 PM
Tracker's sound so lifeless and thin. Drums sounds like a childs drum kıt. Has a good songs yes, but sounds badly. Not a sonic way of course. Tastes are different of course.
It doesn't sound thin and lifeless to me, or I wouldn't have been listening for three years! ;)
İt's Mark Knopfler record after all. Still better nowadays %90.
Post by: Love Expresso on November 15, 2018, 05:07:56 PM
I don't hate it. It's a nice song.
But in comparation with the rest of record, doesn't say anything to me at least musically. Actually I would had put it between the bonus, after listening to all songs.
I agree abdolutely. Both BOTDF and GOYS are at the moment among the weakest tracks for me.
Funny thing.. In the liner notes there are the numbers of every song at each Player and Richard played exactly the line of songs I listen to all the time in exactly that line ...5-7-8-9-10-11-13... that's the heart of the album for me.
The deluxe edition is papercard slipbox. The standard Edition is jewelcase case. The liner notes are pretty short and je usual thank you's. First time that they are not signed with "MK" but with "Mark"
(Yes I am a sucker for these little details.. ;D)
LE
Post by: Love Expresso on November 15, 2018, 05:18:38 PM
Tracker's sound so lifeless and thin. Drums sounds like a childs drum kıt. Has a good songs yes, but sounds badly. Not a sonic way of course. Tastes are different of course.
This sounds daring as Tracker seemed to be praised and decorated especially for it's extremely good sound. I would assume you have a minority opinion here! ;D
LE
Post by: naif on November 15, 2018, 05:40:36 PM
I respect ever other opinion for sure.
Post by: Love Expresso on November 15, 2018, 05:44:27 PM
LE
Post by: JF on November 15, 2018, 09:14:24 PM
Post by: Robson on November 17, 2018, 04:02:37 PM
Post by: jbaent on November 18, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
Number one
There can be only one number one ... You know.
Post by: Robson on November 18, 2018, 04:18:24 PM
Post by: jbaent on November 18, 2018, 04:20:39 PM
There are several for me.
Did you studied Maths?
There's a number one, then next, the number two and go on.
Post by: Robson on November 18, 2018, 04:23:10 PM
Post by: Love Expresso on November 18, 2018, 04:25:06 PM
There have been more senseless posts over the years me thinks. :)
LE
Post by: jbaent on November 18, 2018, 04:27:46 PM
Jbaent you cannot argue with humour I guesd.. :wave
There have been more senseless posts over the years me thinks. :)
LE
Well, I didn't read the forum for a day or two and dealing with many posts that only said "number one" again and again and again. It was funny until the third time... After 19 number ones I thought someone forgot it's maths...
Post by: zigner on November 19, 2018, 04:07:17 PM
I think it's about gambling clubs. :)
Me, too. I read that "smokeless" is an US expression. So maybe Las Vegas indeed?
LE
I don't see any relation to Las Vegas or gambling at all. A smokeless .41 is referring to a 41 caliber pistol. There is smokeless ammunition available. For example, https://www.buffaloarms.com/41-long-colt-ultramax-200-grain-cowboy-smokeless-ammo-box-of-50-amou41lc2
Post by: Love Expresso on November 19, 2018, 04:17:45 PM
LE
Post by: vr46mk on November 19, 2018, 04:40:21 PM
Jeesus......
Post by: Justme on November 19, 2018, 05:28:12 PM
Post by: goon525 on November 19, 2018, 06:22:48 PM
This songs keeps being the biggest skipper in my opinion... don't like the style of it.. wasn't it Guy who said this was a killer before it was released as 2nd single?
Jeesus......
Whereas I do think it’s a killer track, and that for once Guy didn’t go over the top. Can’t stop listening to it!
Post by: superval99 on November 19, 2018, 06:34:59 PM
This songs keeps being the biggest skipper in my opinion... don't like the style of it.. wasn't it Guy who said this was a killer before it was released as 2nd single?
Jeesus......
Whereas I do think it’s a killer track, and that for once Guy didn’t go over the top. Can’t stop listening to it!
I do too! It's still in my top five! :)
Post by: holaknopfler on November 30, 2018, 09:08:24 AM
i´m going to write in my linguage!!!PORTUGUESE!!!Bem esta música para mim é a segunda melhor música do album,sem dúvidas!a melhor è a One song at a time (de longe)!!!apartir de hoje escrevo em portugês...abaço a todos!!
Please write in English since this is the English part of the forum.
Post by: ruipedro on November 30, 2018, 11:42:52 AM
Post by: holaknopfler on November 30, 2018, 11:52:31 AM
ok sorry!! ;D..this song for me is the second best song from the album(the first is one song at a time)...cheers... :) :)
Nice! Now I understand too haha :clap
Post by: Eddie Fox on December 01, 2018, 12:18:02 PM