A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2019 Down The Road Wherever EU & NA tour => Topic started by: ingridswing on October 25, 2018, 07:23:35 PM
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Dear all,
I am going to Analyse the FA-system. I have no on a lot of concerts already. Only one yes to Switzerland. Lots of friends have no all the time too. ALL die-hard fans I already know for 10 to 30! years.
Can you please send me a mail with the following information:
Place of concert - number of tickets you subscribed - and YES or NO (YES you got them, NO you didn't get them)
I am going to analyse and send PCM a mail. Your names and e-mails will NOT be used to PCM. That's only for me so I can inform you.
I will use all names and email confidential, that will not go to PCM!
Please help me and send me a mail to: ingridvandemaat@planet.nl SUBJECT: FA SYSTEM
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Done!
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Not happy I have been declined tickets for the show in my home town!!
Been a fan for 25 years and been to every MK concert in Newcastle but obviously not this time 🤬🤬🤬🤬
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Message sent! Two tickets Antwerp. Sad to see so many die hard fans left empty-handed !
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2 for Leeds, but don't know if I'll take them, once I factor the travelling
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Not happy I have been declined tickets for the show in my home town!!
Been a fan for 25 years and been to every MK concert in Newcastle but obviously not this time 🤬🤬🤬🤬
You can still by tickets on general sale, why not ???
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Sending now
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I've clicked the link to MK.com to pay for my tickets under fair admission & the page doesn't want to load properly using firefox OR internet explorer . No doubt they are collapsing under the wave of people trying to access their site. I thought this was supposed to be a less stessful experience :think :(
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I've clicked the link to MK.com to pay for my tickets under fair admission & the page doesn't want to load properly using firefox OR internet explorer . No doubt they are collapsing under the wave of people trying to access their site. I thought this was supposed to be a less stessful experience :think :(
Im getting the same, the tour page is completely blank when i click on my link!! Anyone else??
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AARGH ! Now I'm getting a message to say my order has timed out and to reapply :smack :smack :smack. I have left a message on their support page.
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Not happy one bit having been declined for both the Leeds & Newcastle shows... (2x tickets requested for each)
Another, as you know die hard fan who has seen MK Live numerous times including the infamous meeting of the master at Bridport. So sad to think I may not go to any of the shows this coming tour..
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it's the first time I am using MK.com for tickets
I got an email saying it's ok, but when I click on the link I have the "order has timed out" message
when I try to login, its says "wrong login", and when I try to reset my pasword, it says that my email is not found :smack
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I'm pleased I'm not the only one whose order has timed out - use the support tab on Mark Knopfler com to let them know- the more that contact them the better. I hope they will be able to reinstate the order because otherwise I've had it ! I've only missed one solo tour because I was abroad on holiday & I won't be happy if they've "lost"my order or its gone to someone else when my order timed out because their page didn't load properly.
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it's the first time I am using MK.com for tickets
I got an email saying it's ok, but when I click on the link I have the "order has timed out" message
when I try to login, its says "wrong login", and when I try to reset my pasword, it says that my email is not found :smack
Your first time. My last time...
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it's the first time I am using MK.com for tickets
I got an email saying it's ok, but when I click on the link I have the "order has timed out" message
when I try to login, its says "wrong login", and when I try to reset my pasword, it says that my email is not found :smack
Your first time. My last time...
Will you say the same when you will finally get your first row tix?
Keep cool and relax, et arrétez gémir c'est tellement français laissons pour une fois cette tâche aux autres.
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it's the first time I am using MK.com for tickets
I got an email saying it's ok, but when I click on the link I have the "order has timed out" message
when I try to login, its says "wrong login", and when I try to reset my pasword, it says that my email is not found :smack
Your first time. My last time...
Will you say the same when you will finally get your first row tix?
Keep cool and relax, et arrétez gémir c'est tellement français laissons pour une fois cette tâche aux autres.
non je vais juste passer par les ventes normales type Carrefour ou Fnac et me retrouver au fond. ça fait juste 8 ans que j'attends de revoir Mark. c'est tout. non je ne gémis pas..si ? ah bon ;D :lol
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Vincent ça remarche, je viens de recevoir un mail de confirmation poyr Lyon !
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So finally I was able to buy two tickets to Lisbon, 30 April in a couple of attempts. Great system, lol. I don't even know which seats I bought.
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Hey foma -- very glad for you!! :D
I didn't get Lisbon, but still hope to get tix. Perhaps from scalpers :smack
Ingrid, I sent my stats to you, thank you for taking this on. :-*
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it's the first time I am using MK.com for tickets
I got an email saying it's ok, but when I click on the link I have the "order has timed out" message
when I try to login, its says "wrong login", and when I try to reset my pasword, it says that my email is not found :smack
Your first time. My last time...
Will you say the same when you will finally get your first row tix?
Keep cool and relax, et arrétez gémir c'est tellement français laissons pour une fois cette tâche aux autres.
J'ai passé l'âge de me faire emmerder par de l'amateurisme. Surtout quand je paye 100€ le billet et que j'en prends 10... Je me suis fait jeter de Paris, qui aurait pu être le seul auquel je puisse aller ! D'habitude en s'y prenant bien on pouvait avoir le premier rang. Là, que va-t-il rester lundi ? Et pour les autres, pour l'instant on me dit rang A-P ! Donc premier rang je le croirai quand je le verrai...
Grumpf. C'est pas souvent, mais ce soir je fais mon Melenchon !
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it's the first time I am using MK.com for tickets
I got an email saying it's ok, but when I click on the link I have the "order has timed out" message
when I try to login, its says "wrong login", and when I try to reset my pasword, it says that my email is not found :smack
Your first time. My last time...
Will you say the same when you will finally get your first row tix?
Keep cool and relax, et arrétez gémir c'est tellement français laissons pour une fois cette tâche aux autres.
J'ai passé l'âge de me faire emmerder par de l'amateurisme. Surtout quand je paye 100€ le billet et que j'en prends 10... Je me suis fait jeter de Paris, qui aurait pu être le seul auquel je puisse aller ! D'habitude en s'y prenant bien on pouvait avoir le premier rang. Là, que va-t-il rester lundi ? Et pour les autres, pour l'instant on me dit rang A-P ! Donc premier rang je le croirai quand je le verrai...
Grumpf. C'est pas souvent, mais ce soir je fais mon Melenchon !
Rendez-vous lundi matin 8 heures :wave
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It seems that they have the list names of the faithful fans and that they rejected their (our) request...
For myself:
Paris and Anvers were rejected....
Lyon, Saint Julien, and Nimes were accepted...
I am very disappointed of this fu**ing system, so I give up for Nîmes... There fees are crazy...
If I was sure to have at least a 1st to 5th row, I would say okay okay... lets try... but I don't want to risk a 10th or 20th or in the corridor ticket...
So I am not only monaning, but I am complaining...
Is it a punishement??? For the supposed "last" tour... thanks for the good memory.... I wouldn't have imagined such crap...
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Front row tickets? I don't think anyone will get those this time. Mine are half way down the O2, London....
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Thank you Ingrid for trying to fix this...
Few points that might help:
- FA system caused many fans (and "not fans") to put multiple venues, even if they're not sure they'll attend. This results in over the top demand, which some of it is actually "fake"/not real
- The FACT that the hard core of MK fans are out, says it all. This proves that the method is wrong. I also believe that many "winners" which are not real fans will resell their tickets. Viagogo will prove that few weeks from now
- The lack of us fans in the front rows will have a very negative impact on the atmosphere of the concerts. PC should be well aware of that.
- One of the main goals should be that the (probable) 4-5 RAH concerts during the beginning of June – will *NOT* be a part of the “FA” system.
I know the RAH dates aren’t confirmed but I’m quite confident that they WILL happen and we need to make sure FA system will not apply to them.
I hope we'll hear something encouraging from PC side (though chances are slim)
Cheers!
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Done. Both requests were no, both shows in the US
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Thank you Ingrid for trying to fix this...
Few points that might help:
- FA system caused many fans (and "not fans") to put multiple venues, even if they're not sure they'll attend. This results in over the top demand, which some of it is actually "fake"/not real
- The FACT that the hard core of MK fans are out, says it all. This proves that the method is wrong. I also believe that many "winners" which are not real fans will resell their tickets. Viagogo will prove that few weeks from now
- The lack of us fans in the front rows will have a very negative impact on the atmosphere of the concerts. PC should be well aware of that.
- One of the main goals should be that the (probable) 4-5 RAH concerts during the beginning of June – will *NOT* be a part of the “FA” system.
I know the RAH dates aren’t confirmed but I’m quite confident that they WILL happen and we need to make sure FA system will not apply to them.
I hope we'll hear something encouraging from PC side (though chances are slim)
Cheers!
You are good! You wrote down what is already in my concept letter. I am waiting till tomorrow afternoon (CEST) to have my statistics as good as possible
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Solution:
On Monday they'll add a discount code at the checkout for the regular presale. Discount code AMIT or similar will give a 0.00 discount BUT a prioritised seating.
Whatever discount code that will be is given to Ingrid from PCM. Members of AMIT may get the code from Ingrid (and others that have it, tree style) but only members that have registered before the 22nd of October are eligible.
(PS. Just a suggestion)
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I got a reply from support telling me the problem had been resolved 10 minutes after I went to bed ! So I've accessed the link again as soon as I saw the email this morning & paid for my 2 Newcastle tickets. Have to wait & see what the allocation is now. Hopefully the new system will mean I haven't been disadvantaged by the delay in paying.
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The FA system was set up because management didn't like the fact others were making extra money on the tickets.
They solved the problem by getting the extra money themselves.
The fact that the ticket prices are so expensive is one thing but the added fees are a complete insult.PCM could control all of this because they chose the venues and agreed to the terms.They could have insisted on a much fairer system but money talks.
The only way this will stop is if we stop supporting these schemes.
Of course this is not easy so difficult choices have to be made.
It'll be a shame missing this tour but I'm sure I'll survive.
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Thank you Ingrid for trying to fix this...
Few points that might help:
- FA system caused many fans (and "not fans") to put multiple venues, even if they're not sure they'll attend. This results in over the top demand, which some of it is actually "fake"/not real
- The FACT that the hard core of MK fans are out, says it all. This proves that the method is wrong. I also believe that many "winners" which are not real fans will resell their tickets. Viagogo will prove that few weeks from now
- The lack of us fans in the front rows will have a very negative impact on the atmosphere of the concerts. PC should be well aware of that.
- One of the main goals should be that the (probable) 4-5 RAH concerts during the beginning of June – will *NOT* be a part of the “FA” system.
I know the RAH dates aren’t confirmed but I’m quite confident that they WILL happen and we need to make sure FA system will not apply to them.
I hope we'll hear something encouraging from PC side (though chances are slim)
Cheers!
Good points!
I can add that we're paying 20% overprices to get something we don't know what it is.
Selling things without explaining what is being sold is almost illegal, and undoubtedly immoral.
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The FA system was set up because management didn't like the fact others were making extra money on the tickets.
They solved the problem by getting the extra money themselves.
Wow! This is the quote of the year!
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The FA system was set up because management didn't like the fact others were making extra money on the tickets.
They solved the problem by getting the extra money themselves.
Wow! This is the quote of the year!
if you can't beat them, join them :lol :lol :lol
But it's true. The venue I got my tickets from says 75 € per ticket, mine was almost 95 € per ticket for the same exact thing. Excuse me? :disbelief
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Basically Fair Admission is yet another espisode of PCM management desaster.
The next will be the RAH announcement in January/February when O2 buyers will feel cheated yet again.
How often did we already say that an artist of Mark's caliber deserves a proper professional management?
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Great to hear that at least some of you got the "Fair Admission" tickets. I got ZERO from the two Danish shows. Cant help feeling what a waste of time.
Now they say you can still pre-order, ..... lost my mojo somewhere.
Has anyone found out what the exact seat difference is between fair admission and pre-sale, is fair admission row 1-4 and pre-sale 4-10 for example ??
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It makes you wonder if Mark just wants to see some different faces towards the front for a change. Surely he can't be that bored with us..?
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Great to hear that at least some of you got the "Fair Admission" tickets. I got ZERO from the two Danish shows. Cant help feeling what a waste of time.
Now they say you can still pre-order, ..... lost my mojo somewhere.
Has anyone found out what the exact seat difference is between fair admission and pre-sale, is fair admission row 1-4 and pre-sale 4-10 for example ??
Hi Peter!
That's terrible to hear! Not getting at least one in DK.
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Great to hear that at least some of you got the "Fair Admission" tickets. I got ZERO from the two Danish shows. Cant help feeling what a waste of time.
Now they say you can still pre-order, ..... lost my mojo somewhere.
Has anyone found out what the exact seat difference is between fair admission and pre-sale, is fair admission row 1-4 and pre-sale 4-10 for example ??
It makes you wonder if Mark just wants to see some different faces towards the front for a change. Surely he can't be that bored with us..?
Fair admission on its website says:
»» Introducing MarkKnopfler.com Fair Admission
»» MarkKnopfler.com will continue to offer the same “best seat” pre-sales for the Down The Road Wherever tour.
»» However, a new service from MarkKnopfler.com, Fair Admission, allows fans to sign up to purchase tickets prior to the regular “best seats” ticket presales. Simply create your Fair Admission account here, select your show and number of tickets and we’ll email you a link to check out on Thursday, October 25th. The registration window closes 11:59 PM PDT on Wednesday, October 24th.
So does it mean that fair admission is not about best seats? Looks like you'll get best seats in regular presale. And that thing? Not the best seats for not the best price. Or what?
All I know is that fans demand answers and I hope we'll get them.
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Fair admission on its website says:
»» Introducing MarkKnopfler.com Fair Admission
»» MarkKnopfler.com will continue to offer the same “best seat” pre-sales for the Down The Road Wherever tour.
»» However, a new service from MarkKnopfler.com, Fair Admission, allows fans to sign up to purchase tickets prior to the regular “best seats” ticket presales. Simply create your Fair Admission account here, select your show and number of tickets and we’ll email you a link to check out on Thursday, October 25th. The registration window closes 11:59 PM PDT on Wednesday, October 24th.
So does it mean that fair admission is not about best seats? Looks like you'll get best seats in regular presale. And that thing? Not the best seats for not the best price. Or what?
All I know is that fans demand answers and I hope we'll get them.
I agree. That´s the question. If this is just a "convenient way" to get some tickets, then it is not what we expected (with that price).
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Dear all,
I am going to Analyse the FA-system. I have no on a lot of concerts already. Only one yes to Switzerland. Lots of friends have no all the time too. ALL die-hard fans I already know for 10 to 30! years.
Can you please send me a mail with the following information:
Place of concert - number of tickets you subscribed - and YES or NO (YES you got them, NO you didn't get them)
I am going to analyse and send PCM a mail. Your names and e-mails will NOT be used to PCM. That's only for me so I can inform you.
I will use all names and email confidential, that will not go to PCM!
Please help me and send me a mail to: ingridvandemaat@planet.nl SUBJECT: FA SYSTEM
Sent!
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Great to hear that at least some of you got the "Fair Admission" tickets. I got ZERO from the two Danish shows. Cant help feeling what a waste of time.
Now they say you can still pre-order, ..... lost my mojo somewhere.
Has anyone found out what the exact seat difference is between fair admission and pre-sale, is fair admission row 1-4 and pre-sale 4-10 for example ??
Hi Peter!
That's terrible to hear! Not getting at least one in DK.
Oh sorry to hear. At least its indoors so you dont get sunburned and cramps like you did in Tivoli. Maybe I should have opted for the swedish ones.
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Fair admission on its website says:
»» Introducing MarkKnopfler.com Fair Admission
»» MarkKnopfler.com will continue to offer the same “best seat” pre-sales for the Down The Road Wherever tour.
»» However, a new service from MarkKnopfler.com, Fair Admission, allows fans to sign up to purchase tickets prior to the regular “best seats” ticket presales. Simply create your Fair Admission account here, select your show and number of tickets and we’ll email you a link to check out on Thursday, October 25th. The registration window closes 11:59 PM PDT on Wednesday, October 24th.
So does it mean that fair admission is not about best seats? Looks like you'll get best seats in regular presale. And that thing? Not the best seats for not the best price. Or what?
All I know is that fans demand answers and I hope we'll get them.
I agree. That´s the question. If this is just a "convenient way" to get some tickets, then it is not what we expected (with that price).
Yes I read it, but I still cant read somewhere what the exact difference is when it comes to the seating. Was Fair Admission meant only as a "step ahead" in pre-ordering as you know its in your basket and can check out in your own pace, or were you lucky ones lucky enough to get the best seats that way. And normal Pre-ordering is the "next-best" seats.
OR is Fair Admission and Pre-order actually the same seats allocated.
I will of course try the pre-order as usual but I am a bit pissed, like if they dont want hardcore members to enjoy best seats, why bother....
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Got : pre-sale tickets Cologne: sect 101 -103 row 1-7
Fair admission Antwerp tickets : sect 001 -004 ! row 1-14 !
What's the better deal? ADDITIONAL FEES .....
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Just checked Viagogo out of curiosity and tickets for Newcastle in the upper tier are being sold for £201 each!! This certainly leaves a bad taste in the mouth 🤬
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Checked Paris on viagogo to, 180€, sales start on Monday
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German venues are on public sale already. There are still good tickets available, but they sell fast.
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Was offered two tickets at Austin ACL live - total price $646. I'm unfortunately going to pass on this tour, unfortunate because it's the first I've missed since Sailing.
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Not happy I have been declined tickets for the show in my home town!!
Been a fan for 25 years and been to every MK concert in Newcastle but obviously not this time 🤬🤬🤬🤬
You can still by tickets on general sale, why not ???
because they already had a perfectly fine system of fan first tickets, and now they effed it up big time with this one
also,...those prices!!!!!!not too long ago i would pay 55€ for a front row ticket...now it is triple and more...
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Was offered two tickets at Austin ACL live - total price $646. I'm unfortunately going to pass on this tour, unfortunate because it's the first I've missed since Sailing.
crazy! and there are many more such extreme price examples, NOT via scalpers!
thank you Crocky for this new shit system
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Damn. It’s horrible
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Damn. It’s horrible
indeed, and they need to know! we should all open up all channels we have at our disposal (yes, also poor guy)
twitter, facebook, pcm management etc...
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Damn. It’s horrible
indeed, and they need to know! we should all open up all channels we have at our disposal (yes, also poor guy)
twitter, facebook, pcm management etc...
But the question is, can you do much? I've looked into it and the same ticket to the same exact row I bought to see mark for Bob Dylan was 120 €. And the most expensive one was 240 €, twice the amount! 240 € for a regular ticket!
Prices jump seems the general theme we have now. With Mark being not-so-expensive comparing to the different "types" of artists.
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I would complain more about the pre sales fees than the original price...
20 euros for this
2.60 euros for that... when you buy 10 tickets... it is quite an amount...
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Damn. It’s horrible
indeed, and they need to know! we should all open up all channels we have at our disposal (yes, also poor guy)
twitter, facebook, pcm management etc...
Mail these 2 topics to PCM and help@officialcommunity.com?
https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=6381.345 (from this page to the end)
https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=6395.0
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Dear all,
I have send a letter to PC and Guy in CC.
Not telling PC is a jerk, but asking for explanation, giving him a spreadsheet with details and conclusions of my analyzing.
Also told him we are sad, angry, disappointed and so on.
Also told him that the tickets that were assigned weren't always the best blocks, Barcelona far away, Amsterdam row 21-40 etc.
Some numbers, thanks to the 69 people who responded. They subscribed to 205 shows.
So my numbers are from those 205 shows they asked.
There seems not to be any link to how many tickets you asked. Sometimes 1 was awarded or not, sometimes 8 were awarded or not.
There is NO ticket assigned in the US
Almost none in the UK
Quite a lot in France, over 50%
Less than 20% of all shows those 69 applied to were rewarded
I hope he will reply, I will let you know
All the best,
Ingrid
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Ingrid, would you be so kind and please post your material and mail here?
I'm very curious.
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Wow.
Will not go. Otherwise you would have got my data, too, of course.
LE
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Dear all,
I have send a letter to PC and Guy in CC.
Not telling PC is a jerk, but asking for explanation, giving him a spreadsheet with details and conclusions of my analyzing.
Also told him we are sad, angry, disappointed and so on.
Also told him that the tickets that were assigned weren't always the best blocks, Barcelona far away, Amsterdam row 21-40 etc.
Some numbers, thanks to the 69 people who responded. They subscribed to 205 shows.
So my numbers are from those 205 shows they asked.
There seems not to be any link to how many tickets you asked. Sometimes 1 was awarded or not, sometimes 8 were awarded or not.
There is NO ticket assigned in the US
Almost none in the UK
Quite a lot in France, over 50%
Less than 20% of all shows those 69 applied to were rewarded
I hope he will reply, I will let you know
All the best,
Ingrid
If he would response, I think you can make a separate topic, something like "Fair Admission: Official Response" or something so it wouldn't get lost. Thanks for your effort, I always appreciate people who can take such tasks.
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Ingrid thank you! Constructive as always.
LE
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Ingrid :thumbsup
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Ingrid thank you! Constructive as always.
LE
Hope so dear! The editors almost all saw the letter and anonymous spreadsheet.
One of them said: if PC has balls he calls you. So I really hope for a reply.
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Thank you, Ingrid! You're doing a great job! :thumbsup :clap
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Thanks for all of your effort Ingrid. To say we are all gobsmacked by the events of the last few days is an understatement and I'm afraid it leaves a very bitter taste in one's mouth especially as we are all MK diehards and some of us will not now be seeing the master live on next year's tour...
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Thank you Ingrid. Wonderful. Great effort! :clap
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My impression is that this Canadian company running this things is pretty amateur and must be quite cheap for MK...
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I'm pretty sure PC will say something about huge demand and all. Speaking of which, the demand IS really high.
When I was trying to buy a ticket, my ID was more than 250,000 so it means 1/4 million of people already tried it.
And it was early in the process. Never underestimate the demand for MK.
My impression is that this Canadian company running this things is pretty amateur and must be quite cheap for MK...
It's not like he use professionals a lot. He designs covers himself, his manager does only what MK wants. So all the questions is for MK :(
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Thanks for all of your effort Ingrid. To say we are all gobsmacked by the events of the last few days is an understatement and I'm afraid it leaves a very bitter taste in one's mouth especially as we are all MK diehards and some of us will not now be seeing the master live on next year's tour...
Let's try to be positive. Maybe it's only the "Fair" Admission system that was a gong show and the old style pre-sales will work as they used to in the past and we will still be able to get good seats! Fingers crossed.
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Despite the FA system obvious fail, I wonder why people says they won't attend Marks concert whereas they can try buying seats at face/fair price through regular pre sale and sale when available?
Is being within first rows the most important thing ?
:think
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For info- The base ticket price at Newcastle was £55. After the add-ons it cost me £140.70 for two tickets, and after all I've read I think I've been lucky.
I can't remember exactly when the original email arrived but I placed my pre-order as soon as I was home from work that day (16:20). Perhaps the time/order in which tickets were booked determined the position in the queue. If people didn't book until late in the evening or the next day, the FA quota may have already been taken. If that is the case they have just moved the problem obtaining tickets to another place in the process. :think
I'm sure there will be a lot of very unhappy fans if it turns out the the Regular pre-sale tickets were for better seats than the FA allocation.
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For info- The base ticket price at Newcastle was £55. After the add-ons it cost me £140.70 for two tickets, and after all I've read I think I've been lucky.
I can't remember exactly when the original email arrived but I placed my pre-order as soon as I was home from work that day (16:20). Perhaps the time/order in which tickets were booked determined the position in the queue. If people didn't book until late in the evening or the next day, the FA quota may have already been taken. If that is the case they have just moved the problem obtaining tickets to another place in the process. :think
I'm sure there will be a lot of very unhappy fans if it turns out the the Regular pre-sale tickets were for better seats than the FA allocation.
Especially while, from what I understand, you can't return the ticket and all sales are final. That's as as fair as beating a new born baby. I was hoping that this system will allow you to return the ticket, so other fans can buy it through the system, as with Primavera Sound festival and some other festivals. If you can't go, you return the ticket and it gets the new ID so someone else could buy it. THAT's fair. And FA is a complete waste.
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Thanks for all of your effort Ingrid. To say we are all gobsmacked by the events of the last few days is an understatement and I'm afraid it leaves a very bitter taste in one's mouth especially as we are all MK diehards and some of us will not now be seeing the master live on next year's tour...
Knopflerfan, I'm trying again for Leeds and Newcastle on Monday in the usual presale, so please don't give up just yet! :)
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Thanks for all of your effort Ingrid. To say we are all gobsmacked by the events of the last few days is an understatement and I'm afraid it leaves a very bitter taste in one's mouth especially as we are all MK diehards and some of us will not now be seeing the master live on next year's tour...
Knopflerfan, I'm trying again for Leeds and Newcastle on Monday in the usual presale, so please don't give up just yet! :)
Me too. I hope to still see you all there. I know all this has been exasperating but keep going!
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I'm pretty sure PC will say something about huge demand and all. Speaking of which, the demand IS really high.
When I was trying to buy a ticket, my ID was more than 250,000 so it means 1/4 million of people already tried it.
And it was early in the process. Never underestimate the demand for MK.
My impression is that this Canadian company running this things is pretty amateur and must be quite cheap for MK...
It's not like he use professionals a lot. He designs covers himself, his manager does only what MK wants. So all the questions is for MK :(
That's not true. I ordered one of the first orders of this tour (cologne, tuesday 10.00) and i got ID 251841
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Registered for both NYC shows at the Beacon. Got "NO" responses for both. I am sure I won't be able to afford front row seats like I had at the Beacon in 2015!!
Saul
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The FA system was set up because management didn't like the fact others were making extra money on the tickets.
They solved the problem by getting the extra money themselves.
Wow! This is the quote of the year!
This! :clap
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Some "fresh" official explanations published by TK:
Fair Admission Process Update
http://www.markknopfler.com/fair-admission-process-update/ (http://www.markknopfler.com/fair-admission-process-update/)
Ingrid you were completely right with the statistics you collected (about 20% of the requests fulfilled).
Requests made through Fair Admission registration for tickets to the Down The Road Wherever tour far exceeded available inventory. On average, we received five times the requests for tickets than we had the ability to fill.
And here in MarkKnopfler.com FAQs:
How is inventory allocated between Fair Admission and MarkKnopfler.com presales?
https://support.markknopfler.com/support/solutions/articles/4000131577--how-is-inventory-allocated-between-fair-admission-and-markknopfler-com-presales- (https://support.markknopfler.com/support/solutions/articles/4000131577--how-is-inventory-allocated-between-fair-admission-and-markknopfler-com-presales-)
They admit that among the "best seats" sold through the FA system, all seats are not necessarly in the same category (some may be cheapers than others). I hadn't noticed this before.
Specifically, where MarkKnopfler.com is able to secure 1000 seats for a single show, there may be more than one price point of ticket in that inventory for that show. If there are only 600 of the most expensive tickets then the remaining 400 have to be the next best available and they are generally a little cheaper.
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Some "fresh" official explanations published by TK:
Fair Admission Process Update
http://www.markknopfler.com/fair-admission-process-update/ (http://www.markknopfler.com/fair-admission-process-update/)
Ingrid you were completely right with the statistics you collected (about 20% of the requests fulfilled).
Requests made through Fair Admission registration for tickets to the Down The Road Wherever tour far exceeded available inventory. On average, we received five times the requests for tickets than we had the ability to fill.
And here in MarkKnopfler.com FAQs:
How is inventory allocated between Fair Admission and MarkKnopfler.com presales?
https://support.markknopfler.com/support/solutions/articles/4000131577--how-is-inventory-allocated-between-fair-admission-and-markknopfler-com-presales- (https://support.markknopfler.com/support/solutions/articles/4000131577--how-is-inventory-allocated-between-fair-admission-and-markknopfler-com-presales-)
They admit that among the "best seats" sold through the FA system, all seats are not necessarly in the same category (some may be cheapers than others). I hadn't noticed this before.
Specifically, where MarkKnopfler.com is able to secure 1000 seats for a single show, there may be more than one price point of ticket in that inventory for that show. If there are only 600 of the most expensive tickets then the remaining 400 have to be the next best available and they are generally a little cheaper.
Thanks! Sooooooooooooooooooo, they kind of acknowledged that Fair Admission is a complete waste, because "majority of people" will NOT complete the purchase. This makes my brain hurt on too many levels. So basically yes, you do have a pretty good chance of having "better seat" on 29 October.
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A friend of mine has a theory about the rejection...
You get rejected by two possible reasons:
1. Because the petitions really exceeded the inventory
2. Because you ask so many concerts that the Canadians consider you are a scalper and they reject your petitions even there is inventory.
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I just received a Reminder: Fair Admission Shopping basket expires tonight !! It has one remarkable sentence:
"Fans who take part in Fair Admission process will be seated before regular presale buyers "
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This is weird. If you get files 7-20 on FA, you won't get file 1-7 if any 1-7 don't finish buying.
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sorry if it had been posted before, but in my last mail from MK.com I saw this sentence :
"Fans who take part in Fair Admission process will be seated before regular presale buyers."
so how could regular buyers could have better seats than Fair Admissions buyers ? ??? :hmm
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sorry if it had been posted before, but in my last mail from MK.com I saw this sentence :
"Fans who take part in Fair Admission process will be seated before regular presale buyers."
so how could regular buyers could have better seats than Fair Admissions buyers ? ??? :hmm
If you have been rejected from FA, and if you order on presale, you will have better seat than someone who hasn't ask for FA
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sorry if it had been posted before, but in my last mail from MK.com I saw this sentence :
"Fans who take part in Fair Admission process will be seated before regular presale buyers."
so how could regular buyers could have better seats than Fair Admissions buyers ? ??? :hmm
If you have been rejected from FA, and if you order on presale, you will have better seat than someone who hasn't ask for FA
That's not how I read it, sorry. FA goes first. Then regular presale.
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Dear all,
I have send a letter to PC and Guy in CC.
Not telling PC is a jerk, but asking for explanation, giving him a spreadsheet with details and conclusions of my analyzing.
Also told him we are sad, angry, disappointed and so on.
Also told him that the tickets that were assigned weren't always the best blocks, Barcelona far away, Amsterdam row 21-40 etc.
Some numbers, thanks to the 69 people who responded. They subscribed to 205 shows.
So my numbers are from those 205 shows they asked.
There seems not to be any link to how many tickets you asked. Sometimes 1 was awarded or not, sometimes 8 were awarded or not.
There is NO ticket assigned in the US
Almost none in the UK
Quite a lot in France, over 50%
Less than 20% of all shows those 69 applied to were rewarded
I hope he will reply, I will let you know
All the best,
Ingrid
Thank you Ingrid, your time and efforts are much appreciated!
Now I am not sure what to do next. The two tickets I have bought for The O2 will seat us up to two-thirds of the way down the hall from the stage, where you can only see the back of peoples heads, and not the band from previous experience. Do I now try and buy two more tickets in the normal presale, hoping for MUCH better seats, and somehow pass on the two Fair Admission tickets? Do I try and buy better tickets through the normal sellers somewhere closer to the front, maybe to side of the floor area, on the banked seats? Or do I just give up? Things are not good for me financially right now, so there is not much chance of me going to a concert abroad, as much as I would love to, but I also just will not have the time due to workload. (What is a holiday again?)
Blocks A1 - A3 contain 1056 seats, as best as I can tell, so if 1000 seats are allocated to the fan club per gig, somebody else must have a big chunk of those blocks if fans have been offered seats in B1 - B3 and C1 - C3.
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Is it a definite that if you buy from presale, you will have a better seat than someone on Fair Admission?
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Here is the answer that I got from PC.
I see he published it on mk.com
http://www.markknopfler.com/news/
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I'll guess that's admitting Fair Admission is a farce ;)
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Thanks ever so much Ingrid. I have no doubt this statement is all down to the data collected by yourself and sent to PCM. :clap
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Actually what Paul writes is that we as fans and especially hard core fans like Ingrid have less rights to sit at front rows:
"The word “Fair” in Fair Admission means to us that all the people that asked for the opportunity to buy tickets to this tour are given the same access. Most people attending any event would like front row for the face value on the ticket, but there is only ever one front row. Everyone always wants the best seats they can possibly get for the lowest price. Fair Admission assigns the seats randomly. So, unlike the pre-sale on Monday, success has nothing to do with the ability to type fast or have five browser windows open at once. All that register has a chance to be selected to receive a basket."
My opinion is that Ingrid is a fan since 1983. Thus she has to my opinion an exclusive implicit right to be on the front row. Like Ingrid always says: Mark doesn't begin before the hard core AMIT fans are in the hall at their front row seats. Paul wants to open the system to Joe the Plumber. It's ridiculous! Joe the Plumber who wants to hear Money for Nothing has no implicit exclusive rights to be on the front row. Mark earns a lot of money from his hard core fans like Ingrid. Not from Joe the Plumber who attends one concert at his lifetime.
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Thank for your message to Paul Ingrid. It is what it is like Mark sings also at the STP album. But great the way you achieved a general statement at Markknopfler.com!
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I don't know what do you think, but to me, it sounds like blah blah blah
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Hi guys! I need a little help to understand this Fair Admission thing..
So, I got my shopping cart with tickets and completed checkout... Floor section somewhere in first 10 rows, great...
However, looking at a map of the arena I'll be in, seems like there are three of those floor sections... not sure whether all of them has their "own" row 1-10... or if the floor section in the middle has row 11 and further on...
According to the Markknopfler.com support, Fair Admission tickets will have the best seats? Is that true? They say they are randomly assigned...
Let's say I am the only one on my concert who used Fair Admission, and was randomly assigned row 9.... And when usual pre-sale starts the whole row 1 is avaiable for purchase...
What I mean is I just hope Fair Admission gets seated somewhere on the very front rows and not further back.. Anyone else got any info from the support about this?
Cheers
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Hi guys! I need a little help to understand this Fair Admission thing..
So, I got my shopping cart with tickets and completed checkout... Floor section somewhere in first 10 rows, great...
However, looking at a map of the arena I'll be in, seems like there are three of those floor sections... not sure whether all of them has their "own" row 1-10... or if the floor section in the middle has row 11 and further on...
According to the Markknopfler.com support, Fair Admission tickets will have the best seats? Is that true? They say they are randomly assigned...
Let's say I am the only one on my concert who used Fair Admission, and was randomly assigned row 9.... And when usual pre-sale starts the whole row 1 is avaiable for purchase...
What I mean is I just hope Fair Admission gets seated somewhere on the very front rows and not further back.. Anyone else got any info from the support about this?
Cheers
I genuinely tried to read your message, but I think everybody will agree, that this system is a total failure and just too complicated.
But I got to say, that watching Mark's management attempts of reinventing the wheel is pretty pretty funny :lol
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I don't know what do you think, but to me, it sounds like blah blah blah
To me it really sounds like an effort to get rid of a fanatic well organized and very influencal fan Group (Amit) with strong opinions, set list statistics and analysis and discussions and most of all always the same 20 faces in the first rows. In that case, it worked obviously. Guy knows pretty well how fans are ticking, how fast we get our Information and how crazy we are to see him as often as possible. His idea of a show is clearly another one.
LE
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The initial idea was good but it failed.
One of the things could had been better would have been said at the first time the sections of the "fair€ tickets and also the price of the "fair" tickets. That would had been fair
Hidden price and the situation of the tickets seems darks and suspicious. Usual presale said both.
Why they accept or reject the tickets petitions is something you have to be faithful. You have to believe they are being "fair" but you never can't be sure it's being fair.
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Very political way of PC in telling us we can sod off. I mean: a lot of people pay a lot of money to travel, buy super ultra premium deluxe albums, buy live recordings, merchandise, and support MK no matter what. And then we're told everyone should have a chance to sit in the front row. I mean: IF you want to sit in the front row, you have to work a little bit for it, don't you? That would be the same as saying: I want to win this F1 race but I can't be bothered to drive quickly and I'll take the bus instead. I'm never actually upset about MK related stuff, but now I am. Just disappointed. I was 13 years old when I saw MK at the HMH in Amsterdam, and I've been following him ever since. Never in these 10 years (and I know it's not as long as some other people around here) I felt this way. It doesn't seem right to me. This whole thing is a complete mess and there is a complete lack of proper CLEAR communication from the people who manage MK.com and PCM. I don't care if anyone from his team reads this, I just don't think this is professional at all. People pay a lot of money, the 1 thing they can expect then is to have clear communication how the system works.
Newsflash: It doesn't work. If this is the last tour, ok then. But if it's not: I hope, and I really do, that they won't do this again. People want to know what they're up to.
Just my two cents.
Hola
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Hi guys! I need a little help to understand this Fair Admission thing..
So, I got my shopping cart with tickets and completed checkout... Floor section somewhere in first 10 rows, great...
However, looking at a map of the arena I'll be in, seems like there are three of those floor sections... not sure whether all of them has their "own" row 1-10... or if the floor section in the middle has row 11 and further on...
According to the Markknopfler.com support, Fair Admission tickets will have the best seats? Is that true? They say they are randomly assigned...
Let's say I am the only one on my concert who used Fair Admission, and was randomly assigned row 9.... And when usual pre-sale starts the whole row 1 is avaiable for purchase...
What I mean is I just hope Fair Admission gets seated somewhere on the very front rows and not further back.. Anyone else got any info from the support about this?
Cheers
I genuinely tried to read your message, but I think everybody will agree, that this system is a total failure and just too complicated.
But I got to say, that watching Mark's management attempts of reinventing the wheel is pretty pretty funny :lol
Yeah it's quite confusing all of this with the FA...
I just want some clarification with everything.. I have read on markknopfler.com at News, FAQ etc...
Just want to know if Fair Admission tickets get seated at the very best rows, before the pre-sale starts.... To me it's no disaster if I am on row 1 or 4.. but let's say it's row 10.. and when pre-sale starts, row 1-4 are all empty... bit disappointing then...
At the same time, you don't know how many others have signed up for FA, maybe all 10 rows are now occupied :D
I decided not to take the risk and wait until Monday when I found out it's somewhere at row 1-10...
However, this arena has three floor sections, and I still don't know if the rows are, for example:
First Floor Section:
Row 1-10
Second Floor Section:
Row 11-20
or
First Floor Section:
Row 1-10
Second Floor Section:
Row 1-10
In a worst case scenario I could be put further back :hmm
This is no longer about MK's upcoming tour, it's about how confused the fans can be made, and for what reason really?
I also asked the MK support if they will record every concert and sell USB sticks like the previous tours?
No answer, only to keep eyes open for more news...
The only thing to be found at MK.com is:
And all MarkKnopfler.com ticket presale customers will receive a complimentary live recording from the forthcoming tour.
So.... are they making ONE recording from ONE specific concert or are they doing all of them?
Down The Confusing Unclear Road Wherever Whatever ;D ;D
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sorry if it had been posted before, but in my last mail from MK.com I saw this sentence :
"Fans who take part in Fair Admission process will be seated before regular presale buyers."
so how could regular buyers could have better seats than Fair Admissions buyers ? ??? :hmm
Exactly. it doesn't make sense.
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I'm trying to be realistic about this- Most people that registered for the Fair admission/allocation will be fans anyway - "joe public" are unlikely to know about it or even the normal pre-sale because unless they are in the fan club or subscribe to MK.com they will not have received a notification about it.
So- assuming everyone registered is a fan anyway, the FA system is trying to randomly allocate the best tickets instead of "first come first served" amongst the fans. Although it has not been stated categorically, the information implies that FA will be allocated tickets before the normal pre-sale on 29th so the FA should still get the best seats. With all respect to Ingrid and the other super fans that attend multiple concerts, the previous comment that they have "right to expect" the best seats is not fair to long time fans who can only afford to attend one concert - why should they not have an equal chance of having a front row ticket for the one show they can attend? Under the old system, I got front row centre tickets for the last tour & 2nd row for the 2 previous tours, and I also have concerns about what I will be allocated this time, but as I will be at work on Monday and unable to get on-line for the pre-sale which starts at lunch time, I'm actually pleased that I had an alternative which has worked out !
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I'm trying to be realistic about this- Most people that registered for the Fair admission/allocation will be fans anyway - "joe public" are unlikely to know about it or even the normal pre-sale because unless they are in the fan club or subscribe to MK.com they will not have received a notification about it.
So- assuming everyone registered is a fan anyway, the FA system is trying to randomly allocate the best tickets instead of "first come first served" amongst the fans. Although it has not been stated categorically, the information implies that FA will be allocated tickets before the normal pre-sale on 29th so the FA should still get the best seats. With all respect to Ingrid and the other super fans that attend multiple concerts, the previous comment that they have "right to expect" the best seats is not fair to long time fans who can only afford to attend one concert - why should they not have an equal chance of having a front row ticket for the one show they can attend? Under the old system, I got front row centre tickets for the last tour & 2nd row for the 2 previous tours, and I also have concerns about what I will be allocated this time, but as I will be at work on Monday and unable to get on-line for the pre-sale which starts at lunch time, I'm actually pleased that I had an alternative which has worked out !
Hi!
Ok, so you entered the FA as well and got tickets?
If so, I'm just curious which rows that were stated on your order summary? 1-10? So was the case for me.
Now it's a long 2-3weeks of waiting for more details.. Anyway I will check the pre-sale tomorrow and see if I can see which seats are already booked ;D
Cheers
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Block A rows A-Q so 17 rows of FA at Newcastle ! I knew it was going to be popular when the button to sign up for FA disappeared from the Newcastle line on the Tour dates page.
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Block A rows A-Q so 17 rows of FA at Newcastle !
Ah I see, hope you'll get the first 10 rows then... My order summary said "Floor Section Row 1-10".. I wonder just how random this will be...
Since they earn all their extra fees now through the FA, we could at least be worth of the front rows... sucks if we pay more and get row 10.. haha.
As long as we get row 1-5 I can be very pleased with it
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Despite being very stressful we should not falling to conspiracy mode.
We know y past that using MK.com is costly.
The rule was clear and simple, first come first serve.
Problem is that over the years more and more people is using it so more and more people will be deceived because "as you can't extend a central block front row" mechanically a part of the tix offered won't be as good as they used to be and you end with far sided or in the back tix.
But the way the FA is organised is a another step... :disbelief
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What would really make sense is if those that purchased FA tickets and had seats allocated away from the stage were moved forward in to the seats that were not purchased / dropped by others in the FA sale.