A Mark In Time
Previous Albums => Down The Road Wherever (2018) => Topic started by: quizzaciously on November 09, 2018, 11:34:25 PM
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So after hearing 5 songs from the album one can come to the conclusion that it's a Guy Fletcher's album disguised as a Mark Knopfler's album.
Each album Guy seems to gain more and more control over Mark's music, being a producer, engineer, director, arranger, keyboard player, photographer, blogger, I won't be surprised if as a kind of "thank you" gesture Mark will be kind enough to give him a songwriting credit one day. Somebody called Back On The Dance Floor a Guy Fletcher's composition with Mark as a guest artist. How beautiful is that?
This drives me crazy, because in a lot of ways Mark's music is going downhill. The songs are still great (you can't say it about most of the "old socks" these days), but what kills it is this "modern" approach and "killer" production, please excuse the term. I just hate the drums in One Song At A Time. I just hate the annoying organ in Trapper Man. Overall Guy's presence is so strong that it almost feels like his album.
Anyway, I'm just so pissed off that I hope Guy will hear some of the complaints, which is not only my opinion, but for a lot of people. Don't get me wrong, I admire his work and I certainly understand that Mark always keeps him by his side for the very good reasons, but excuse me, if I hear a shitty rhythm, a shitty organ and killer production in Mark's song that just ruins the song for me, I can't stand it.
Peace.
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Oh dear, some strong opinions there... Not sure I'm with you when you say it's a Guy Fletcher album purely because Guy couldn't come up with such fantastic lyrics... Or guitar work..
So you won't be buying the new album then....
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I'm perfectly OK with Mark letting others take over a bit. I'm not saying Guy is my first choice for the producer role, but it was time for a change of sorts and Guy knows how to make a record.
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Fair enough, but looking at amit tonight it seems this is a minority view. I know exactly what you mean as I was underwhelmed by GOYS and BOTD, too.
Can't agree about the shitty rhythm though.
There are 11 other new songs, maybe you will find something that you can love.
I still think you cannot do what you want if you work for Mark Knopfler. He always kept a lot of work and effort into all his albums, so I guess he will agree with all that Guy does or even orders it this way.
LE
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Oh dear, some strong opinions there... Not sure I'm with you when you say it's a Guy Fletcher album purely because Guy couldn't come up with such fantastic lyrics... Or guitar work..
So you won't be buying the new album then....
I don't buy albums these days, I listen all the music through streaming services with the annual subscription plan ;D
I am going to see Mark live, hoping to hear the better arrangements of these two songs if they're going to play it.
You're absolutely right about fantastic lyrics, guitar work and vocals. It's just that the package isn't so impressive.
I'm not a "the grass was greener" type of guy, but do you have a feeling of changing something in songs like What It Is? Or even Privateering, or even River Towns for that matter? And I'm not an old listener, I'm just in my late 20s. I listen to the modern music a lot. But this modern approach just makes me sick.
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Guys, would any of you be so kind and share any links you may have? Much appreciated.
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Privateering is a very good example for ruining a song in the studio from my point of view. I hate the album version but really love it live.
LE
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Fair enough, but looking at amit tonight it seems this is a minority view. I know exactly what you mean as I was underwhelmed by GOYS and BOTD, too.
Can't agree about the shitty rhythm though.
There are 11 other new songs, maybe you will find something that you can love.
I still think you cannot do what you want if you work for Mark Knopfler. He always kept a lot of work and effort into all his albums, so I guess he will agree with all that Guy does or even orders it this way.
LE
Well even with JF's and Rail King's reviews you can safely say that Heavy Up is yet another Guy Fletcher's masterpiece, so 10 new songs.
Your sentence about Mark's control baffles me the most. I absolutely agree that with his name on the cover of the album he won't let somebody just take control over everything. But maybe Guy is just very good at convincing people as he's good with EVERYTHING else?
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Privateering is a very good example for ruining a song in the studio from my point of view. I hate the album version but really love it live.
LE
Yeah, Privateering is a very good live song. Don't think that ruining of the studio version is on par with something like Trapper Man though.
Privateering as a whole is a pretty strong album in terms of the arrangements, with the one exception of the dreadful delays in Drowned Submariner. Oh my God, when I first heard Submariner and the awful pop-styled echoes in the mid section, I almost puked myself. I'll never ever listen to the studio version of this song. And what we have in alleged GF's composition Back On The Dance Floor? More delays! Yeah!
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For some people here good is never good enough
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For some people here good is never good enough.
No good is when you listen to the new song from your favourite artist and can't even make it through the whole thing.
I know I should just stop and walk away, but again — it is not just the song. It's Mark Knopfler's song, and this is AMIT.
I know I can't change a thing, I know Mark and Co. doesn't care a bit. But I care and I express my opinion.
Yes, my opinion is harsh, but the song itself is good. What is bad is over production. And this is what this thread is all about.
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Fair enough, you aren't keen on some of the production issues and that's your opinion, good show but personally I'm not letting that distract from what I believe is boiling up to be a very good album by 'The Master'.... Let's now perhaps talk more positively about what is to come because I am like the majority on this fab forum getting pretty darn excited about receiving my limited edition box set and playing the new album!!! ;) :wave
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Fair enough, you aren't keen on some of the production issues and that's your opinion, good show but personally I'm not letting that distract from what I believe is boiling up to be a very good album by 'The Master'.... Let's now perhaps talk more positively about what is to come because I am like the majority on this fab forum getting pretty darn excited about receiving my limited edition box set and playing the new album!!! ;) :wave
I love your positive approach and I'm also a very positive man, despite all my "negative" posts. It's not negative, it's honest.
The fact that most people like the new arrangements makes me think that Mark can produce a rap or metal song and everybody will go "WOW! How fresh and new!". I just don't like the idea of Mark going into easy listening genre. Give me some serious songs like "Nobody's Child". So far 4 of 5 songs are skippers for me and mostly because of the arrangements and production, not the songs itself.
I'm so happy for all the people who's in love with new songs, I only wish I'd share your excitement, but I'm a bit worried, that's all.
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I have often wondered what the exact influence of Guy is on Mark’s music and with this new album I am even more intrigued. It’s some sort of an enigma. On one hand Guy seems a very multi talented musician, knowlegable studio engineer and experienced producer who is extremely highly valued by Mark. On the other hand, as a musician he always seems to play ‘filler’ parts that never really enhance a song. And when he plays lead parts live I more then once noticed he rushes, making the band sound less tight. As for prduction work it seems the more space he gets the cheesier it gets, but that’s an aguable opinion of course. However, when you’ve followed Mark’s career it becomes obvious that nothing ever happens that Mark wouldn’t want of like just that way, in that line of thinking you can’t blame Guy.
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I have often wondered what the exact influence of Guy is on Mark’s music and with this new album I am even more intrigued. It’s some sort of an enigma. On one hand Guy seems a very multi talented musician, knowlegable studio engineer and experienced producer who is extremely highly valued by Mark. On the other hand, as a musician he always seems to play ‘filler’ parts that never really enhance a song. And when he plays lead parts live I more then once noticed he rushes, making the band sound less tight. As for prduction work it seems the more space he gets the cheesier it gets, but that’s an aguable opinion of course. However, when you’ve followed Mark’s career it becomes obvious that nothing ever happens that Mark wouldn’t want of like just that way, in that line of thinking you can’t blame Guy.
Now that's the level of discussion I was looking for. The word "cheesier" is a very good word. Now I'm listening to "My Bacon Roll" and it almost gives me a feeling of a pop track from the 90s and it's a Mark Knopfler's song! From the year 2018! The more I listen to the new album, the more questions arise.
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Isn't just Guy doing what Guy has been doing since 1985 and the BIA tour ? Cheesy sound effects on the Man To Strong, overdriven-to-death drums, lots of synths and overdriven guitar ? Maybe he kept his Atari ST from that time and still uses it :)
Come on, Guy... Captain Future sounds effects ! nobody does that... anymore ! ;)
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Isn't just Guy doing what Guy has been doing since 1985 and the BIA tour ? Cheesy sound effects on the Man To Strong, overdriven-to-death drums, lots of synths and overdriven guitar ? Maybe he kept his Atari ST from that time and still uses it :)
Come on, Guy... Captain Future sounds effects ! nobody does that... anymore ! ;)
A good point, herlock. Well, if so, Guy must've been copying trends back in the day and he's doing it now obviously. The trouble is the music in the 80s was pretty good overall (don't throw stones at me), and today's music is whole other level. I get this trend of cheesier and more pop sound with a touch of dance and drum and bass, but I never wanted to hear THAT in Mark's music.
Luckily, there's some typical MK songs left on the album like Nobody's Child and Just A Boy. I hope to hear more like this.
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For some people here good is never good enough
Who decides what's good?
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For some people here good is never good enough
Who decides what's good?
I don’t. And I’m not implying that I decide that. I will leave it there. So many people, so many opinions.
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The thing is I hadn't had a single question for Mark's music up until 2012 and the release of Privateering, that was the point of no return.
First you have this strange album filled with filler songs to justify the "first double album" gimmick nobody asked for, then you have the notorious static setlist situation, the "best album ever" being Tracker, then rubbish 2015 concert recordings, now you have overly produced album filled with pop tunes and strange decisions. I'd be happy to like all that, but I simply can't "like" it, too much things are suddenly going wrong at the same time.
Imagine putting all the best songs from last 3 albums in one, that would be an album of Brother In Arms magnitude. Imagine Mark releasing all his blues dreams in a separate album/project and not putting it without order on his "first double album ever". Imagine removing all the pop clichés and Guy's gimmicks from the new album. How better the world would be? I honestly try my best to not lose my head, but I'm utterly and genuinely disappointed.
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I guess it has to do with lack of inspiration. He is used to make music, writing songs seems to be a habit. That so-called prolific song writing is in the end doing something with too much time in your hands. He should really have just taken a break from music for some years without songwriting and come back refreshed. I also blame the studio situation for it. It's a playground with no limits on time, material and money. Sometimes limits are great though. See Shangri-La or the first two DS albums.
LE
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FFS, yet more negativeness.....Just be grateful we haven't an album of MK playing Christmas songs!!!! :disbelief :disbelief
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FFS, yet more negativeness.....Just be grateful we haven't an album of MK playing Christmas songs!!!! :disbelief :disbelief
It's not negativity FFS. And blindly praising everything is not positiveness as well, it's just being stupid. The world is not black and white, you know?
Eric Clapton's Christmas album by the way is a very good example of what Mark can come to one day. And I DON'T want it. And you?
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This time it's difficult.. from the 8 songs I know it's totally no album feel. From very bad over potential growers to really great stuff it's a collection of all. Some are too adventurous for me. Maybe I should wait with further judgement before mit having heard the album completely.
LE
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This time it's difficult.. from the 8 songs I know it's totally no album feel. From very bad over potential growers to really great stuff it's a collection of all. Some are too adventurous for me. Maybe I should wait with further judgement before mit having heard the album completely.
LE
Good call LE....
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FFS, yet more negativeness.....Just be grateful we haven't an album of MK playing Christmas songs!!!! :disbelief :disbelief
It's not negativity FFS. And blindly praising everything is not positiveness as well, it's just being stupid. The world is not black and white, you know?
Eric Clapton's Christmas album by the way is a very good example of what Mark can come to one day. And I DON'T want it. And you?
That came across as quite rude, but I'm sure you don't mean it that way..Explain if you will/can......
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FFS, yet more negativeness.....Just be grateful we haven't an album of MK playing Christmas songs!!!! :disbelief :disbelief
It's not negativity FFS. And blindly praising everything is not positiveness as well, it's just being stupid. The world is not black and white, you know?
Eric Clapton's Christmas album by the way is a very good example of what Mark can come to one day. And I DON'T want it. And you?
That came across as quite rude, but I'm sure you don't mean it that way..Explain if you will/can......
No, I didn't mean anything rude and actually was expecting your reply to be like that. No rudeness intended at all, don't worry.
I just want to say that when you critique something in a bad way it doesn't necessarily mean that you're transferring negativity.
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FFS, yet more negativeness.....Just be grateful we haven't an album of MK playing Christmas songs!!!! :disbelief :disbelief
It's not negativity FFS. And blindly praising everything is not positiveness as well, it's just being stupid. The world is not black and white, you know?
Eric Clapton's Christmas album by the way is a very good example of what Mark can come to one day. And I DON'T want it. And you?
That came across as quite rude, but I'm sure you don't mean it that way..Explain if you will/can......
No, I didn't mean anything rude and actually was expecting your reply to be like that. No rudeness intended at all, don't worry.
I just want to say that when you critique something in a bad way it doesn't necessarily mean that you're transferring negativity.
Quite agree, that negativeness can be indeed very positive.
Everyone is entitled to THEIR opinion on here and what is rubbish for you may not necessarily be for others - we are all different you know.
I think most AMITers on here would agree that lets now wait for the album to be released in its entirety and then perhaps we can discuss them at length constructively....
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When the album is released, I'm sure everything will be seen in a different light - the order of the tracks can be very important. :)
BTW One Song...... and Trapperman are growing on me now - they've been played most of the morning! ::)
So, now having heard 7 songs, Dancefloor is still my #1! ;)
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Quite agree, that negativeness can be indeed very positive.
Everyone is entitled to THEIR opinion on here and what is rubbish for you may not necessarily be for others - we are all different you know.
I think most AMITers on here would agree that lets now wait for the album to be released in its entirety and then perhaps we can discuss them at length constructively....
Absolutely. This is like the negativity looks from my side, so if anyone can call it "pessimistic", you can throw as many stones at me as you like :lol
(https://pp.userapi.com/c846021/v846021529/129de4/_5dcWj7YAqU.jpg)
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When the album is released, I'm sure everything will be seen in a different light - the order of the tracks can be very important. :)
BTW One Song...... and Trapperman are growing on me now - they've been played most of the morning! ::)
Yes, I agree and once we've worn the CD/Vinyl out we will be much clearer in our minds what MK wanted to achieve with this album. I'm taking the Guy influence with a pinch of salt as MK usually does right! One song - has been worn out where I've played it so much!!!
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When the album is released, I'm sure everything will be seen in a different light - the order of the tracks can be very important. :)
BTW One Song...... and Trapperman are growing on me now - they've been played most of the morning! ::)
Exactly :thumbsup I am waiting for the album. I do not listen before ;)
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Quite agree, that negativeness can be indeed very positive.
Everyone is entitled to THEIR opinion on here and what is rubbish for you may not necessarily be for others - we are all different you know.
I think most AMITers on here would agree that lets now wait for the album to be released in its entirety and then perhaps we can discuss them at length constructively....
Absolutely. This is like the negativity looks from my side, so if anyone can call it "pessimistic", you can throw as many stones at me as you like :lol
(https://pp.userapi.com/c846021/v846021529/129de4/_5dcWj7YAqU.jpg)
Please tell me you cleaned that Mac for the photo. Mine has things growing on it! :disbelief
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Everyone around here knows I never shrink from exposing my opinion about anything related to Mark - and by doing so I quite often get criticized.
That being said, I really like the four new songs I got to listen to so far. I guess it's all a matter of taste. If Guy is responsible for this new approach he has my praise for that.
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Everyone around here knows I never shrink from exposing my opinion about anything related to Mark - and by doing so I quite often get criticized.
That being said, I really like the four new songs I got to listen to so far. I guess it's all a matter of taste. If Guy is responsible for this new approach he has my praise for that.
Of course he is, I don't know why, but you can almost feel it. Kudos to him that his influence can be so obvious to see, but it really is.
Please tell me you cleaned that Mac for the photo. Mine has things growing on it! :disbelief
No, not at all. I actually can take a close up picture of the computer and you'll see a perfectly new laptop, because I'm crazy at being a good user. All my equipment, guitars and computers is perfectly clean at all times, I regularly clean the house and not a single fingerprint appears neither on my laptop's screen or home office screen. I wipe it every day and overall I'm a maniac when it comes to cleanliness. It's just me.
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Everyone around here knows I never shrink from exposing my opinion about anything related to Mark - and by doing so I quite often get criticized.
That being said, I really like the four new songs I got to listen to so far. I guess it's all a matter of taste. If Guy is responsible for this new approach he has my praise for that.
Excellent and good for you....
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Everyone around here knows I never shrink from exposing my opinion about anything related to Mark - and by doing so I quite often get criticized.
That being said, I really like the four new songs I got to listen to so far. I guess it's all a matter of taste. If Guy is responsible for this new approach he has my praise for that.
Of course he is, I don't know why, but you can almost feel it. Kudos to him that his influence can be so obvious to see, but it really is.
Please tell me you cleaned that Mac for the photo. Mine has things growing on it! :disbelief
No, not at all. I actually can take a close up picture of the computer and you'll see a perfectly new laptop, because I'm crazy at being a good user. All my equipment, guitars and computers is perfectly clean at all times, I regularly clean the house and not a single fingerprint appears neither on my laptop's screen or home office screen. I wipe it every day and overall I'm a maniac when it comes to cleanliness. It's just me.
Me too, just joking. I just always find it amazing how quickly my Mac gets grimy looking and I have to wipe it!
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Everyone around here knows I never shrink from exposing my opinion about anything related to Mark - and by doing so I quite often get criticized.
That being said, I really like the four new songs I got to listen to so far. I guess it's all a matter of taste. If Guy is responsible for this new approach he has my praise for that.
Excellent and good for you....
More songs, more praise from me. I love it. It's kinda funny, as soon as I learnt that Robbie McIntosh was involved in the project I knew what I was getting.
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Everyone around here knows I never shrink from exposing my opinion about anything related to Mark - and by doing so I quite often get criticized.
That being said, I really like the four new songs I got to listen to so far. I guess it's all a matter of taste. If Guy is responsible for this new approach he has my praise for that.
Excellent and good for you....
More songs, more praise from me. I love it. It's kinda funny, as soon as I learnt that Robbie McIntosh was involved in the project I knew what I was getting.
I'm with you on all counts. I like everything so far and am enjoying what I've heard.. Robbie Mcintosh - Legend!
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This album only proves how huge and varied Mark's palette is and how talented his musicians are.
I am very satisfied with what I have listened to so far, it's fresh, exciting, dancing, new sounds, beautiful melodies ... what else!
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This album only proves how huge and varied Mark's palette is and how talented his musicians are.
I am very satisfied with what I have listened to so far, it's fresh, exciting, dancing, new sounds, beautiful melodies ... what else!
Agree on all counts. It has some of the positive vibe of Golden Heart. So looking forward to getting the CD and playing it on my hifi system.
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Honestly, I find this new arrangements pretty good and capable of giving the right variety and dynamic to the songs.
All that said, I think that a bad arrangement could not ruin a good song, and vice versa. These are good songs, and this arrangement fits very well for me!
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So after hearing 5 songs from the album one can come to the conclusion that it's a Guy Fletcher's album disguised as a Mark Knopfler's album.
Each album Guy seems to gain more and more control over Mark's music, being a producer, engineer, director, arranger, keyboard player, photographer, blogger, I won't be surprised if as a kind of "thank you" gesture Mark will be kind enough to give him a songwriting credit one day. Somebody called Back On The Dance Floor a Guy Fletcher's composition with Mark as a guest artist. How beautiful is that?
This drives me crazy, because in a lot of ways Mark's music is going downhill. The songs are still great (you can't say it about most of the "old socks" these days), but what kills it is this "modern" approach and "killer" production, please excuse the term. I just hate the drums in One Song At A Time. I just hate the annoying organ in Trapper Man. Overall Guy's presence is so strong that it almost feels like his album.
Anyway, I'm just so pissed off that I hope Guy will hear some of the complaints, which is not only my opinion, but for a lot of people. Don't get me wrong, I admire his work and I certainly understand that Mark always keeps him by his side for the very good reasons, but excuse me, if I hear a shitty rhythm, a shitty organ and killer production in Mark's song that just ruins the song for me, I can't stand it.
Peace.
I completely agree with you…
…except in literally every single way.
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I have a theory (that is a joke at the same time)
MK had to left the sessions for his own record in Guy's hands to go to work with David Greig and Bill Forsyth in the musical with the total approval to Guy yo do whatever he thinks suit the songs better... That's why his influence is that big in all songs.
LOL
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I have a theory (that is a joke at the same time)
MK had to left the sessions for his own record in Guy's hands to go to work with David Greig and Bill Forsyth in the musical with the total approval to Guy yo do whatever he thinks suit the songs better... That's why his influence is that big in all songs.
LOL
It’s a miracle, your post made me like that musical lol
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I have a theory (that is a joke at the same time)
MK had to left the sessions for his own record in Guy's hands to go to work with David Greig and Bill Forsyth in the musical with the total approval to Guy yo do whatever he thinks suit the songs better... That's why his influence is that big in all songs.
LOL
Well said :lol ;D :D
For me the best album appproach since shangri la!
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Despite all negative comments in here about Guy having too much influence and control over the songs on this album... Mark has probably still agreed on this....
In my opinion this album is soooo much better than Tracker.
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Production is such a taste and preference thing. Personally, I tend to very simple production, no tricks or what I think of as emperors new clothes stuff, but sympathetic production that let the songs breathe and speak for themselves. So, some of this album, from what I have heard, has a production approach that I don't like. But every mk album to date has a production I have loved. DS didn't, I didn't like the production on love over gold, BIA or On Every Street.....but I loved, the albums before those, production wise. Ragpicker was wonderfully produced....as was Get Lucky. Tracker was fine but I find Guy's lauding of the production of that, and inevitably this, as a bit odd, like he may have lost a bit of perspective. It's not all about this sonic production Guy, don't forget feel, heart, soul. For me, some of those things get lost when the balance tips over and the production starts to annoy or hinder rather than showcase the songs.
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Despite all negative comments in here about Guy having too much influence and control over the songs on this album... Mark has probably still agreed on this....
In my opinion this album is soooo much better than Tracker.
It's not negative. If an opinion is not popular it doesn't automatically mean it's negative.
You're right about Mark giving his seal of approval to all this, but it makes me thinking...
Production is such a taste and preference thing. Personally, I tend to very simple production, no tricks or what I think of as emperors new clothes stuff, but sympathetic production that let the songs breathe and speak for themselves. So, some of this album, from what I have heard, has a production approach that I don't like. But every mk album to date has a production I have loved. DS didn't, I didn't like the production on love over gold, BIA or On Every Street.....but I loved, the albums before those, production wise. Ragpicker was wonderfully produced....as was Get Lucky. Tracker was fine but I find Guy's lauding of the production of that, and inevitably this, as a bit odd, like he may have lost a bit of perspective. It's not all about this sonic production Guy, don't forget feel, heart, soul. For me, some of those things get lost when the balance tips over and the production starts to annoy or hinder rather than showcase the songs.
I think Mark always needed someone to steer his decisions, you can notice he's almost never a single producer of the record (and not only legally speaking). So when he had Chuck Ainlay as a co-producer we got all these classic golden perfect albums without experiments, but overall very solid and with perfect production.
But now, when Guy is a producer and can decide, I think he uses his rights on full power. And Mark as a producer can go all other the place. So now we got experiments, stuff like "Chuck, take one" as an intake on the record, songs recorded by a single microphone in a multi-million recording studio, drum beats, etcetera.
I still think that Mark's decision to cut ties with Chuck Ainlay is one of the worst decisions he's ever made.
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What I miss so far is a fat, clean Stratocaster sound. Just listened to Cosmic Square Dance with Mark and Chet, and I'd love to hear that sound again. A bit much overdriven Les Paul / Pensa.
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Extra! Extra! Just found a cover for the new Guy Fletcher's album :lol
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqCrVyPBwTX/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BqCrVyPBwTX/)
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I don't know if you realize it, your constant going at Guy Fletcher is not funny anymore.
Maybe think for a moment how you yourself would feel if people would constantly ridicule what you are taking great care of doing.
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I don't know if you realize it, your constant going at Guy Fletcher is not funny anymore.
Maybe think for a moment how you yourself would feel if people would constantly ridicule what you are taking great care of doing.
Trust me I'm not a kind of guy who can make fun of something/somebody without reasons. I'm just not a fan of praise in general, praise and awards can't give you anything. What's really important is the "other side" and you can only move forward if you're being cut to pieces. Saying "this album is great" does nothing at all. Saying "this Continental organ sounds out of the place" — that's more helpful.
So my goal is to summarise all the "negativity" as some of you call it to show what's not so great about the next "best album ever".
I know that Mark, Guy and the majority of AMITers couldn't care less about it, but I don't care as well. It's a cycle :'(
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It's true that 90% of all negative/critical comments are quizzaciously-related. The overall appeal of the album among AMIT seems to be much better than it therefore seems, as you dominate the "negativity" pretty much.
I don't care about it, do as you like, it is just that it's pretty remarkable that one guy poisons the discussion that much. And no, I am not jealous of you because of that! ;-)
One thing is for sure: This album's diversity is a challenge for this forum. The way we get the songs day by day, gives it more room to discuss every single chord as if we would get it all on one day.
LE
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I promised myself that before the premiere I will not listen to anything from the web. It is hard. I only know two singles. I read all reviews and sometimes are daunting:(
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I promised myself that before the premiere I will not listen to anything from the web. It is hard. I only know two singles. I read all reviews and are sometimes are daunting:(
You're a pretty brave soldier to be able to resist all this internet thing. To be honest I don't know why 16 of November is such a sacred day for the release of an album and why Mark and his management wants everybody to hear it exactly on this day. As if it will change something lol.
I don't think reading the reviews is a good idea though. I've read some reviews and still every song is completely "new" for me.
So don't give a damn about what I say and what others say. You're smart enough to just wait and see the whole picture.
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I like reading all the reviews, but the new music MK for the first time must sound from the CD :) 5 days
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It's true that 90% of all negative/critical comments are quizzaciously-related. The overall appeal of the album among AMIT seems to be much better than it therefore seems, as you dominate the "negativity" pretty much.
I don't care about it, do as you like, it is just that it's pretty remarkable that one guy poisons the discussion that much. And no, I am not jealous of you because of that! ;-)
One thing is for sure: This album's diversity is a challenge for this forum. The way we get the songs day by day, gives it more room to discuss every single chord as if we would get it all on one day.
LE
You're one of my favourite AMITers and I absolutely agree with you with the exception of that I'm "poisoning the discussion" maybe. Because you know that the more the album gets more "commercial", the more people will praise it and more people will buy it.
I absolutely know for sure that Down The Road Wherever will sell like lemonade on hot day. The album is going to be extremely successful.
And what this means? That for the next one they will probably repeat the same things that made this album so successful and sometimes things like that can be too dangerous. We will hear even cheesier vocals, more synths, more organ, effects, disturbing sounds, more 70s, 80s sound imitation and less percent of "classic" MK songs. But hey, people like it, so why not?
I'm more into classic MK who can do music that really touch people's soul.
But so far most of the songs are ruined by the "killer" production. But it will sell like crazy for sure. And this upsets me.
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I think MK will follow his routine, when it's done, it's done .. it's past .. looking forward etc.. two or three songs will make it live and the next album will be completely different.
Sorry about the poison but had no better word at that moment
LE
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"And what this means? That for the next one they will probably repeat the same things that made this album so successful and sometimes things like that can be too dangerous. We will hear even cheesier vocals, more synths, more organ, effects, disturbing sounds, more 70s, 80s sound imitation and less percent of "classic" MK songs. But hey, people like it, so why not?
No. Mark does not record this way. He writes and records what he plays in his soul.
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Saying "this album is great" does nothing at all. Saying "this Continental organ sounds out of the place" — that's more helpful.
The only people who get to read your bashing are the forum members here. You got your point across. Good. That's your opinion. Fine. Can you move on?
But helpful? Please! For whom? Who do you think you are?
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I highly doubt that Mark took this path in order to sell more.
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I highly doubt that Mark took this path in order to sell more.
Exactly.
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Saying "this album is great" does nothing at all. Saying "this Continental organ sounds out of the place" — that's more helpful.
The only people who get to read your bashing are the forum members here. You got your point across. Good. That's your opinion. Fine. Can you move on?
But helpful? Please! For whom? Who do you think you are?
I guess you've made too many typos in the two words "shut up". This is what you want to say to me? Who do you think YOU are?
This is not the level of discussion I can care about, so I'll just ignore your messages from now on.
I highly doubt that Mark took this path in order to sell more.
Exactly.
I never said that he took this path to sell more. I said this path will make the album sell more, but it's not the same things, people. Come on.
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Saying "this album is great" does nothing at all. Saying "this Continental organ sounds out of the place" — that's more helpful.
The only people who get to read your bashing are the forum members here. You got your point across. Good. That's your opinion. Fine. Can you move on?
But helpful? Please! For whom? Who do you think you are?
I guess you've made too many typos in the two words "shut up". This is what you want to say to me? Who do you think YOU are?
This is not the level of discussion I can care about, so I'll just ignore your messages from now on.
No, I don't tell - or ask - you to shut up as first of all that's not in my power to do. But I'll be honest with you and tell you that you come across as whining as there's basically no thread where you have not stated something negative about the new songs.
Secondly: Honestly, for whom do you think your criticism is helpful?
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No, I don't tell - or ask - you to shut up as first of all that's not in my power to do. But I'll be honest with you and tell you that you come across as whining as there's basically no thread where you have not stated something negative about the new songs.
Secondly: Honestly, for whom do you think your criticism is helpful?
My criticism is as helpful as any criticism OR praise from anyone else on this forum. In a matter of fact, this whole forum is useless if you come to think of it really. We're just discussing songs with someone with whom we've never even met (for the most part, I know there are a lot of friends, don't kill me please, thanks). So you criticising my criticism is just another level of uselessness in this little world of AMIT.
I get your frustration, but can't you just acknowledge the fact that there are some fans out there, who's old, who's young, been on 100 shows, been on 2 shows, been fans for 30 years, for 10 years, 1 year — there are fans out there who's absolutely pissed off with the new album. We are fans, we love MK and his music, but we're absolutely frustrated because we're fans. We want to hear better music form our favourite musician and that's all.
I hope I've answered your question.
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So it's like a "Dylan going electric" moment for you?
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Don't underestimate the input many people get from many other ones on here. It's helpful and useful. You could doubt communiaction per se if you don't see what a forum like this is about.
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So it's like "Dylan going electric" moment for you?
Exactly, this is the best analogy that you can think of and I really mean that. I guess this whole controversy with the new album is a good thing. This means that Mark is evolving, it's the very positive thing. As with Dylan going electric, my personal problem is not the fact itself, but its implementation. To quote Wikipedia article:
"I think most of all I was angry that Dylan... not that he'd played electric, but that he'd played electric with a really poor sound system. It was not like it is on the record [the official album]. It was a wall of mush. That, and it seemed like a cavalier performance, a throwaway performance compared with the intensity of the acoustic set earlier on. There were rumblings all around me and the people I was with were making noises and looking at each other. It was a build-up."
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Don't underestimate the input many people get from many other ones on here. It's helpful and useful. You could doubt communiaction per se if you don't see what a forum like this is about.
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Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this forum. I said that no matter criticise you or praise, it's just between us here. Mark and his team won't see you worship the new record, nor your hatred towards it. I know criticising can be annoying, and for that I'm sorry. I just write that I really feel and it's just happens to be on the critical side. I'm not the devil and if I'd write only praise I won't be an angel as well.
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Harsh that Quizzy is being singled out here. I've also been critical of GF's production although I've only listened to the two singles so far.
The ability to talk freely without fear or favour is the very reason we set up this forum 10 years ago. Wasn't possible under TK's regime.
As far as I can see, Quizzy has stated his opinions clearly and presented his arguments without being critical of other members is he hasn't broken any rules. Give the guy a break.
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Harsh that Quizzy is being singled out here. I've also been critical of GF's production although I've only listened to the two singles so far.
The ability to talk freely without fear or favour is the very reason we set up this forum 10 years ago. Wasn't possible under TK's regime.
As far as I can see, Quizzy has stated his opinions clearly and presented his arguments without being critical of other members is he hasn't broken any rules. Give the guy a break.
I think no one has a problem with criticism or differing tastes/opinions. But when someone, quizzaciously in this case, seemingly is using every opportunity to say something negative about the new songs - it's more or less in every thread - it gets tiring. Like a broken record. "OK, we got it."
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If he doesn't like something in every song then he should absolutely comment on every song.
Freedom of speech is a very important thing. Donald Trump is trying to shut down people voicing dissenting opinions in America right now. Quizzy is basically AMIT's CNN. :)
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Quizzy is basically AMIT's CNN. :)
One could also see it the other way round.
That he knows everything better, that other musicians (at BG) do everything wrong and that he has to have the last word at everything.
And then we are at Donald Trump.
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If he doesn't like something in every song then he should absolutely comment on every song.
Freedom of speech is a very important thing. Donald Trump is trying to shut down people voicing dissenting opinions in America right now. Quizzy is basically AMIT's CNN. :)
+1000
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Trump, eh? Attacks on freedom of speech? Cheap shot, dusty.
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Trump, eh? Attacks on freedom of speech? Cheap shot, dusty.
How so?
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Quizzy is basically AMIT's CNN. :)
One could also see it the other way round.
That he knows everything better, that other musicians (at BG) do everything wrong and that he has to have the last word at everything.
And then we are at Donald Trump.
Not really, because as far as I can see, Quizzy is voicing his opinion but not trying to stop anyone else giving theirs.
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Quizzy is basically AMIT's CNN. :)
One could also see it the other way round.
That he knows everything better, that other musicians (at BG) do everything wrong and that he has to have the last word at everything.
And then we are at Donald Trump.
Not really, because as far as I can see, Quizzy is voicing his opinion but not trying to stop anyone else giving theirs.
Well, in the slightly arrogant way and harsh words with which he smashes MK's and GF's last work from his mighty throne of knowledge he does indeed resemble certain people.
Poor MK can call himself lucky Quizzy lets himself down to even grant him a critique at all.
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Wow, Skydiver is pretty mad at me. Hey man, I can guarantee you if you'd know me in real life you'd talk another language. In the Internet we're all like actors, different people than in the real life. People who know me personally they know that I basically trust nothing and nobody and not afraid of nothing and anybody. If I hear the worst drums in the whole MK's discography (One Song At A Time) I feel free to say it and have people behind me to agree. I'm not an expert, but even I hear that the drum job on this track is really not the best one. What do you have to prove me wrong? That it's the best drum pattern you've ever heard in your life? That's what I'm talking about.
Dusty, thanks for that CNN line, it made my day :lol
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See, this is disappointing. Basically a personal attack on a fellow AMIT member.
By all means argue against his points but don't just call him names.
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Dusty, I am with you to not call other AMIT members names.
But I had to contradict strongly your very unlucky political comparison Trump/CNN.
Let's leave out politics.
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See, this is disappointing. Basically a personal attack on a fellow AMIT member.
By all means argue against his points but don't just call him names.
For the avoidance of doubt, this was directed at Skydiver's comment, should have quoted. :)
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Dusty, I am with you to not call other AMIT members names.
But I had to contradict strongly your very unlucky political comparison Trump/CNN.
Let's leave out politics.
"Arrogant" "Harsh" "Throne of knowledge", personal attacks and against the rules.
The Trump comparison appears to have touched a nerve, which it wouldn't have if it wasn't apt, so I stand by it.
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The choice of words in even the first post of this thread with "kills", "hate", "pissed off" or "ruined" is so aggressive and negative that...
But I don't want to continue with this any further and leave it at this.
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The Trump comparison appears to have touched a nerve, which it wouldn't have if it wasn't apt, so I stand by it.
So anyone who is upset by being compared with Trump is against freedom of speech? Faulty logic much?
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The choice of words in even the first post of this thread with "kills", "hate", "pissed off" or "ruined" is so aggressive and negative that...
But I don't want to continue with this any further and leave it at this.
They weren't directed at you or any other member so they are perfectly legitimate. This forum is a safe space for people to comment on MK, good or bad.
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The Trump comparison appears to have touched a nerve, which it wouldn't have if it wasn't apt, so I stand by it.
So anyone who is upset by being compared with Trump is against freedom of speech? Faulty logic much?
Prove me wrong brother. Prove me wrong.
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The Trump comparison appears to have touched a nerve, which it wouldn't have if it wasn't apt, so I stand by it.
So anyone who is upset by being compared with Trump is against freedom of speech? Faulty logic much?
Prove me wrong brother. Prove me wrong.
I'd say the burden of proof lies with you.
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I don't really care enough to get into an argument my friend, I just used it as an example of how dangerous it can be when people try to stop others from voicing their opinion.
This is one of the greatest weeks in my life - the week when for the first time I will sit down and listen to songs from my all time favourite artist, songs that, for better or worse, I will know word for word, note for note in a couple of months.
I've had, I don't know, 13 or so weeks like this since 1991 - depends of you include live albums.
Only twice I've been disappointed I think, 93 with On The Night and 2007 with KTGC.
If it happens again on Friday then of course I will be on here to register my disgust around the globe. :)
So anyway, it's an exciting time, let's get along and enjoy it, even if we don't enjoy the record, no need to get personal.
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We can't all like the same things, that's for sure. But neither can we put a younger man's head on MK's shoulders. There's no doubt he has mellowed some, but as he he's frequently said, he always looks forward, not back. Perhaps he's just gotten bored with what's gone before, and just wants to mix it up a bit? He's renowned for wanting it his way, but in recent years he's also wanted the band to give more input, get more acknowledgment. He's also pointed out the song is the important thing, pulling back from fancy guitar solos. Yes, I'd love him to create some of the raw stuff I was listening to him play nearly forty years ago, but do you know what, I like the two songs I've limited myself to so far, and previous experience has shown that listening to the CD through headphones sounds far better than what I've heard on in lossy DAB broadcasts on the radio. I'm just glad he's still producing music I do like.
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So anyway, it's an exciting time, let's get along and enjoy it, even if we don't enjoy the record, no need to get personal.
Indeed. And if someone doesn't enjoy the record, there's also no reason to make it into a pi$$ing match, right?
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So anyway, it's an exciting time, let's get along and enjoy it, even if we don't enjoy the record, no need to get personal.
Indeed. And if someone doesn't enjoy the record, there's also no reason to make it into a pi$$ing match, right?
Couldn't agree more, if people hadn't had a go at Quizzy just for voicing a different view I wouldn't have felt the need to wade in so can we agree to let him (and maybe me on Friday, who knows) have his say?
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previous experience has shown that listening to the CD through headphones sounds far better than what I've heard on in lossy DAB broadcasts on the radio.
This is a very good point. The tracks we have so far have atrocious sound quality. Once you get them in CD quality or at least 320 kbps MP3, I'm positive things will seem a lot better.
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Call me Trump anytime you want, guys :wave
But... if you call me Che, Fidel or Lula I will not take it :disbelief
Now can we please get back to music? It’s Pavel’s right to dislike the new songs.
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If he doesn't like something in every song then he should absolutely comment on every song.
Of course he shouldn't.
Nobody just wants to read negativity and it is virtually impossible that a MK fan will find every song on DTRW to be worthy of such scorn.
I'm all for constructive criticism but just being critical based on some crappy samples and having little idea how the complete album sounds or works cohesively isn't constructive.
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Firstly, yes I do want to read negativity. I will buy anything MK puts out because he has earned my trust but in general before I buy a record or watch a film I read reviews. If they are bad, fine, I don't buy.
Secondly, how can someone give "constructive" criticism of an MK record? It's done. Finished. Constructed. He's never going to change it.
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The order of songs. Album layout. Climate. Everything is important.
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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Good words to consider during this discussion
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It's surprising the incapacity of this forum to accept any opinion who is not positive.
Really surprising and sad. Only sheeps would do such a thing.
Guys, are you sheeps?
Accept negative opinions the same way you accept positive. There is no black or white. It's all layers of greys...
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It's surprising the incapacity of this forum to accept any opinion who is not positive.
Really surprising and sad. Only sheeps would do such a thing.
Guys, are you sheeps?
Accept negative opinions the same way you accept positive. There is no black or white. It's all layers of greys...
Exactly. I’m in love with this album and disagree with almost everything Pavel said about it, but hey, his opinion is just as important as anyone else’s. He’s a huge fan who happens to be disappointed in the songs he came across so far and is getting it off his chest, no big deal.
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Isn't this basically the "tour moaning" discussion all over again? What was the ruling by the moderators on that? Let the moaning few moan until their faces turn blue?
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Moaning about tour/set list/Trump/David K. is ok, moaning about the moaners is not. I guess it was.
LE
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Moaning about tour/set list/Trump/David K. is ok, moaning about the moaners is not. I guess it was.
LE
E.x.a.c.t.l.y.
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Wow, Skydiver is pretty mad at me. Hey man, I can guarantee you if you'd know me in real life you'd talk another language. In the Internet we're all like actors, different people than in the real life. People who know me personally they know that I basically trust nothing and nobody and not afraid of nothing and anybody. If I hear the worst drums in the whole MK's discography (One Song At A Time) I feel free to say it and have people behind me to agree. I'm not an expert, but even I hear that the drum job on this track is really not the best one. What do you have to prove me wrong? That it's the best drum pattern you've ever heard in your life? That's what I'm talking about.
Dusty, thanks for that CNN line, it made my day :lol
Quizzy, I'm with you. You have the same right to be negative that others to be negative.
Actually I listened to the songs once or none, and I have mixed feelings about what I heard. I like it for.some reasons and dislike them for.others...
I might insist. Respect all.opinions. if you don't nlike different opinions, a fan forum is not your place. Unless you search for a.place full.of sheeps.
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Isn't this basically the "tour moaning" discussion all over again? What was the ruling by the moderators on that? Let the moaning few moan until their faces turn blue?
Excellent point, I can't remember, and I was on the other side of the fence on that one so it's entirely possible I am being an absolute hypocrite on this. :)
One difference there as far as I can see is that the criticism wasn't of the opinion itself but more that the same opinion was repeated over and over again for months.
Don't think that can be levelled here when the record isn't even out yet :)
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Isn't this basically the "tour moaning" discussion all over again? What was the ruling by the moderators on that? Let the moaning few moan until their faces turn blue?
Excellent point, I can't remember, and I was on the other side of the fence on that one so it's entirely possible I am being an absolute hypocrite on this. :)
One difference there as far as I can see is that the criticism wasn't of the opinion itself but more that the same opinion was repeated over and over again for months.
Don't think that can be levelled here when the record isn't even out yet :)
The album is not out yet, but the repeated negativity is quite overwhelming so far, and this is what I and others take issue with.
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It's actually not. It's only felt.
LE
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Isn't this basically the "tour moaning" discussion all over again? What was the ruling by the moderators on that? Let the moaning few moan until their faces turn blue?
Excellent point, I can't remember, and I was on the other side of the fence on that one so it's entirely possible I am being an absolute hypocrite on this. :)
One difference there as far as I can see is that the criticism wasn't of the opinion itself but more that the same opinion was repeated over and over again for months.
Don't think that can be levelled here when the record isn't even out yet :)
The album is not out yet, but the repeated negativity is quite overwhelming so far, and this is what I and others take issue with.
Beeeee beeeee beeeee
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Beeeee beeeee beeeee
What have I done :lol
(This was pretty hilarious though, thanks, this thread made my day for the third time)
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Jbaent with the sting in the tale.
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It's surprising the incapacity of this forum to accept any opinion who is not positive.
Really surprising and sad. Only sheeps would do such a thing.
Guys, are you sheeps?
Accept negative opinions the same way you accept positive. There is no black or white. It's all layers of greys...
The problem with being solely negative about the new album is:
1-He hasn't heard it all(or even most.)
2-All but two songs the sound quality has been poor.There is a reason why so much time and money is spent in the studio making the album.
3-Nobody wants to deal with a troll when something they are really looking forward to is only days away from release.
If after listening to the whole album the same person only has negative comments and can be constructive in their reasoning then fair enough.
However I find this highly unlikely/improbable.
So no bleating here just someone who doesn't want to be,seemingly,trolled.
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The problem with being solely negative about the new album is:
1-He hasn't heard it all(or even most.)
2-All but two songs the sound quality has been poor.There is a reason why so much time and money is spent in the studio making the album.
3-Nobody wants to deal with a troll when something they are really looking forward to is only days away from release.
If after listening to the whole album the same person only has negative comments and can be constructive in their reasoning then fair enough.
However I find this highly unlikely/improbable.
So no bleating here just someone who doesn't want to be,seemingly,trolled.
Do you know what trolling is? This is trolling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg
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It's surprising the incapacity of this forum to accept any opinion who is not positive.
Really surprising and sad. Only sheeps would do such a thing.
Guys, are you sheeps?
Accept negative opinions the same way you accept positive. There is no black or white. It's all layers of greys...
The problem with being solely negative about the new album is:
1-He hasn't heard it all(or even most.)
2-All but two songs the sound quality has been poor.There is a reason why so much time and money is spent in the studio making the album.
3-Nobody wants to deal with a troll when something they are really looking forward to is only days away from release.
If after listening to the whole album the same person only has negative comments and can be constructive in their reasoning then fair enough.
However I find this highly unlikely/improbable.
So no bleating here just someone who doesn't want to be,seemingly,trolled.
The problem is that anyone has to respect others opinions.
So respect Quizzy opinion and stop moaning about it.
If you don't like his opinion, be constructive and expose your reason, but respect his freedom of have a different opinion.
Is so simple that it's hard to understand why you don't get it.
Period.
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It's surprising the incapacity of this forum to accept any opinion who is not positive.
Really surprising and sad. Only sheeps would do such a thing.
Guys, are you sheeps?
Accept negative opinions the same way you accept positive. There is no black or white. It's all layers of greys...
The problem with being solely negative about the new album is:
1-He hasn't heard it all(or even most.)
2-All but two songs the sound quality has been poor.There is a reason why so much time and money is spent in the studio making the album.
3-Nobody wants to deal with a troll when something they are really looking forward to is only days away from release.
If after listening to the whole album the same person only has negative comments and can be constructive in their reasoning then fair enough.
However I find this highly unlikely/improbable.
So no bleating here just someone who doesn't want to be,seemingly,trolled.
The problem is that anyone has to respect others opinions.
So respect Quizzy opinion and stop moaning about it.
If you don't like his opinion, be constructive and expose your reason, but respect his freedom of have a different opinion.
Is so simple that it's hard to understand why you don't get it.
Period.
this is a forum, you will not always agree, so indeed, respect each one's opinions, or leave (not saying you have to! just saying, if you have an issue with an opinion, that we, as long as it is not racist or insulting someone in person, will not delete, then all you can do is leave, or grudge a bit in a corner and come back once you are ready for it.)
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I've been away from the forum for a couple of days, but feel like defending Pavel here. The fact that he's so critical of what Mark does only proves how much he cares about (and generally loves) his music. Mark should and will be happy to have such dedicated fans.
Pavel's main point - production ruining Mark's songs - is interesting regardless of whether you agree or not. I've had an issue with Guy Fletcher's influence ever since he came on board in 1985 (well, at least in retrospect, as I was still in kindergarten at the time). I generally think that Guy's approach to music doesn't blend well with Mark's. Pavel is right, it's not about the songs - they were and are always top notch -, but when it comes to how Mark's albums sound, my favourite moments always were the ones when Guy was almost or completely absent: the first Dire Straits albums, many songs on his solo albums, the whole of Shangri-La. Guy is a talented keyboard player, and he sure is useful with all kinds of things, but generally I totally agree with Pavel: Mark would be better off without him.
That said, I disagree with Pavel (yes, and it's NOT a problem!) on a couple of things:
1. For me, Guy's negative influence didn't start in 2012, but, as I said, in 1985. From all of Mark's albums, Brother in Arms is probably the one I like the least in terms of production. Things generally got better with Mark's solo career, as he was going for a warmer, more «organic» sound. Privateering, for example, was rather unharmed by Guy in my opinion (some exceptions like the tragically overproduced title song aside, as LE pointed out).
2. Things didn't get much worse with the change in production duties from Chuck Ainlay to Guy, in my opinion. A lot of the songs on Golden Heart, for example, are among the worst production-wise. I remember how I hated that sound back then. I'm not sure whether Chuck actually supported the super cheesy synths on this album, or the MOR sound of Darling Pretty, but he surely didn't do much to prevent them. Overall, I like the sound of Down the Road Wherever much better than that of Golden Heart.
3. I don't understand Pavel's issue with the drum sound in One Song at a Time. Actually, I loved that song right from the start, and the first thing I thought was «what great drums».
4. While I'd generally be the first to welcome Guy's departure (from Mark's studio, that is, don't get me wrong), his influence on some of the new songs (Back on the Dance Floor is the best example) is SO big that even I have to admit that their production approach somehow works. It's as if Guy was kind of smearing his things on otherwise immaculate songs in the past, while here, he's been allowed to operate from the core. To me it seems that IF you allow Guy to go down his road - and again, I think it would be better not to - it's best to let him go all the way. And to then balance those songs out with things like Nobody's Child or Just a Boy, which are pure Mark, the way I love him the most.
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I've been away from the forum for a couple of days, but feel like defending Pavel here. The fact that he's so critical of what Mark does only proves how much he cares about (and generally loves) his music. Mark should and will be happy to have such dedicated fans.
Pavel's main point - production ruining Mark's songs - is interesting regardless of whether you agree or not. I've had an issue with Guy Fletcher's influence ever since he came on board in 1985 (well, at least in retrospect, as I was still in kindergarten at the time). I generally think that Guy's approach to music doesn't blend well with Mark's. Pavel is right, it's not about the songs - they were and are always top notch -, but when it comes to how Mark's albums sound, my favourite moments always were the ones when Guy was almost or completely absent: the first Dire Straits albums, many songs on his solo albums, the whole of Shangri-La. Guy is a talented keyboard player, and he sure is useful with all kinds of things, but generally I totally agree with Pavel: Mark would be better off without him.
That said, I disagree with Pavel (yes, and it's NOT a problem!) on a couple of things:
1. For me, Guy's negative influence didn't start in 2012, but, as I said, in 1985. From all of Mark's albums, Brother in Arms is probably the one I like the least in terms of production. Things generally got better with Mark's solo career, as he was going for a warmer, more «organic» sound. Privateering, for example, was rather unharmed by Guy in my opinion (some exceptions like the tragically overproduced title song aside, as LE pointed out).
2. Things didn't get much worse with the change in production duties from Chuck Ainlay to Guy, in my opinion. A lot of the songs on Golden Heart, for example, are among the worst production-wise. I remember how I hated that sound back then. I'm not sure whether Chuck actually supported the super cheesy synths on this album, or the MOR sound of Darling Pretty, but he surely didn't do much to prevent them. Overall, I like the sound of Down the Road Wherever much better than that of Golden Heart.
3. I don't understand Pavel's issue with the drum sound in One Song at a Time. Actually, I loved that song right from the start, and the first thing I thought was «what great drums».
4. While I'd generally be the first to welcome Guy's departure (from Mark's studio, that is, don't get me wrong), his influence on some of the new songs (Back on the Dance Floor is the best example) is SO big that even I have to admit that their production approach somehow works. It's as if Guy was kind of smearing his things on otherwise immaculate songs in the past, while here, he's been allowed to operate from the core. To me it seems that IF you allow Guy to go down his road - and again, I think it would be better not to - it's best to let him go all the way. And to then balance those songs out with things like Nobody's Child or Just a Boy, which are pure Mark, the way I love him the most.
Thats constructive disagreeing. Well done.
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I think you overestimate the power Guy has. If Mark didn't care for his suggestions, they would never have been implemented. Unless Guy uses hypnosis or voodoo, of course.
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I've been away from the forum for a couple of days, but feel like defending Pavel here. The fact that he's so critical of what Mark does only proves how much he cares about (and generally loves) his music. Mark should and will be happy to have such dedicated fans.
Pavel's main point - production ruining Mark's songs - is interesting regardless of whether you agree or not. I've had an issue with Guy Fletcher's influence ever since he came on board in 1985 (well, at least in retrospect, as I was still in kindergarten at the time). I generally think that Guy's approach to music doesn't blend well with Mark's. Pavel is right, it's not about the songs - they were and are always top notch -, but when it comes to how Mark's albums sound, my favourite moments always were the ones when Guy was almost or completely absent: the first Dire Straits albums, many songs on his solo albums, the whole of Shangri-La. Guy is a talented keyboard player, and he sure is useful with all kinds of things, but generally I totally agree with Pavel: Mark would be better off without him.
That said, I disagree with Pavel (yes, and it's NOT a problem!) on a couple of things:
1. For me, Guy's negative influence didn't start in 2012, but, as I said, in 1985. From all of Mark's albums, Brother in Arms is probably the one I like the least in terms of production. Things generally got better with Mark's solo career, as he was going for a warmer, more «organic» sound. Privateering, for example, was rather unharmed by Guy in my opinion (some exceptions like the tragically overproduced title song aside, as LE pointed out).
2. Things didn't get much worse with the change in production duties from Chuck Ainlay to Guy, in my opinion. A lot of the songs on Golden Heart, for example, are among the worst production-wise. I remember how I hated that sound back then. I'm not sure whether Chuck actually supported the super cheesy synths on this album, or the MOR sound of Darling Pretty, but he surely didn't do much to prevent them. Overall, I like the sound of Down the Road Wherever much better than that of Golden Heart.
3. I don't understand Pavel's issue with the drum sound in One Song at a Time. Actually, I loved that song right from the start, and the first thing I thought was «what great drums».
4. While I'd generally be the first to welcome Guy's departure (from Mark's studio, that is, don't get me wrong), his influence on some of the new songs (Back on the Dance Floor is the best example) is SO big that even I have to admit that their production approach somehow works. It's as if Guy was kind of smearing his things on otherwise immaculate songs in the past, while here, he's been allowed to operate from the core. To me it seems that IF you allow Guy to go down his road - and again, I think it would be better not to - it's best to let him go all the way. And to then balance those songs out with things like Nobody's Child or Just a Boy, which are pure Mark, the way I love him the most.
Thats constructive disagreeing. Well done.
Can't argue with that :clap
P.S. With drums in One Song At A Time you either like it or not, this is one instance of pretty black and white division. Some like it, others not, I don't know why.
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I think you overestimate the power Guy has. If Mark didn't care for his suggestions, they would never have been implemented. Unless Guy uses hypnosis or voodoo, of course.
No need to resort to hypnosis... It's well know that Mark was an autocrat and "perfectionist" in DS, many stories from band members and seemingly perfect production only proves it.
I think what happens is each year MK is going on the side giving others a chance. Let musicians play, let his best business partner (music is also business) Guy to take control.
It's also known that Mark loves Guy because he'd never had a single argument with him as Mark said in one of the interviews. So they just do that they want to do.
Not necessarily a bad thing, but something is telling me that GF is pushing things into more popular and easy listening territory, and I'm afraid of that. :disbelief
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Or maybe he is looking what the band is capable of or able to. I find it pretty cool that they are able to deliver that 70's sound on Nobody Does That so perfectly well and cool as if it was nothing. Mark always says this band is the best one but now he let them show off a bit about their versatility? Folk we know they can do. Now we know that they do Funk and disco also?
LE
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I think you overestimate the power Guy has. If Mark didn't care for his suggestions, they would never have been implemented. Unless Guy uses hypnosis or voodoo, of course.
No need to resort to hypnosis... It's well know that Mark was an autocrat and "perfectionist" in DS, many stories from band members and seemingly perfect production only proves it.
I think what happens is each year MK is going on the side giving others a chance. Let musicians play, let his best business partner (music is also business) Guy to take control.
It's also known that Mark loves Guy because he'd never had a single argument with him as Mark said in one of the interviews. So they just do that they want to do.
Not necessarily a bad thing, but something is telling me that GF is pushing things into more popular and easy listening territory, and I'm afraid of that. :disbelief
But Mark allowing the musicians to "influence" the production does not mean that he passively lets it happen. The final decision is his. However, that you don't like the direction Mark is taking, that's another story. Personally, I'm just happy to see more openness on his side and the he is willing to explore even in the sunset years of his long career.
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I think you overestimate the power Guy has. If Mark didn't care for his suggestions, they would never have been implemented. Unless Guy uses hypnosis or voodoo, of course.
No need to resort to hypnosis... It's well know that Mark was an autocrat and "perfectionist" in DS, many stories from band members and seemingly perfect production only proves it.
I think what happens is each year MK is going on the side giving others a chance. Let musicians play, let his best business partner (music is also business) Guy to take control.
It's also known that Mark loves Guy because he'd never had a single argument with him as Mark said in one of the interviews. So they just do that they want to do.
Not necessarily a bad thing, but something is telling me that GF is pushing things into more popular and easy listening territory, and I'm afraid of that. :disbelief
But Mark allowing the musicians to "influence" the production does not mean that he passively lets it happen. The final decision is his. However, that you don't like the direction Mark is taking, that's another story. Personally, I'm just happy to see more openness on his side and the he is willing to explore even in the sunset years of his long career.
Nice that you like "openness" somehow... no need to adress from MK side...
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Or maybe he is looking what the band is capable of or able to. I find it pretty cool that they are able to deliver that 70's sound on Nobody Does That so perfectly well and cool as if it was nothing. Mark always says this band is the best one but now he let them show off a bit about their versatility? Folk we know they can do. Now we know that they do Funk and disco also?
LE
Those guys can play virtually anything they want, I'm positively sure about it. They might need some time to adapt and obviously won't play for instance latin stuff as well as Santana's band do but they sure will do it well. As crazy as it might sound I think Mark's the weakest instrumentalist in the band now - but used to be the best, by far.
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This album will give him much praise and good reviews for sure. It is not impossible that it could be his last one. So it is a great signal of freshness and good energy. And of letting loose a bit.
LE
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Nice that you like "openness" somehow... no need to adress from MK side...
I'm all for openness, whining not so much.
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Or maybe he is looking what the band is capable of or able to. I find it pretty cool that they are able to deliver that 70's sound on Nobody Does That so perfectly well and cool as if it was nothing. Mark always says this band is the best one but now he let them show off a bit about their versatility? Folk we know they can do. Now we know that they do Funk and disco also?
LE
Those guys can play virtually anything they want, I'm positively sure about it. They might need some time to adapt and obviously won't play for instance latin stuff as well as Santana's band do but they sure will do it well. As crazy as it might sound I think Mark's the weakest instrumentalist in the band now - but used to be the best, by far.
He's probably the oldest!
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Or maybe he is looking what the band is capable of or able to. I find it pretty cool that they are able to deliver that 70's sound on Nobody Does That so perfectly well and cool as if it was nothing. Mark always says this band is the best one but now he let them show off a bit about their versatility? Folk we know they can do. Now we know that they do Funk and disco also?
LE
Those guys can play virtually anything they want, I'm positively sure about it. They might need some time to adapt and obviously won't play for instance latin stuff as well as Santana's band do but they sure will do it well. As crazy as it might sound I think Mark's the weakest instrumentalist in the band now - but used to be the best, by far.
He's probably the oldest!
He is, and that's the reason I believe. Same happened to BB King, it's just the way it is I guess.
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Nice that you like "openness" somehow... no need to adress from MK side...
I'm all for openness, whining not so much.
You didn't stop whinning against all that have a different opinion yet...
I do respect all opinions. But don't respecting others opinions is not an opinion, it's an attitude, and that really needs to be adressed...
Period.
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Or maybe he is looking what the band is capable of or able to. I find it pretty cool that they are able to deliver that 70's sound on Nobody Does That so perfectly well and cool as if it was nothing. Mark always says this band is the best one but now he let them show off a bit about their versatility? Folk we know they can do. Now we know that they do Funk and disco also?
LE
Those guys can play virtually anything they want, I'm positively sure about it. They might need some time to adapt and obviously won't play for instance latin stuff as well as Santana's band do but they sure will do it well. As crazy as it might sound I think Mark's the weakest instrumentalist in the band now - but used to be the best, by far.
He's probably the oldest!
Because Mark is not a guitar player, he's a singer-songwriter and so far nobody from his perfect band was able to put out a song of Mark's magnitude, so that's fair, I guess. No one can be perfect in everything (except Guy).
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Or maybe he is looking what the band is capable of or able to. I find it pretty cool that they are able to deliver that 70's sound on Nobody Does That so perfectly well and cool as if it was nothing. Mark always says this band is the best one but now he let them show off a bit about their versatility? Folk we know they can do. Now we know that they do Funk and disco also?
LE
Those guys can play virtually anything they want, I'm positively sure about it. They might need some time to adapt and obviously won't play for instance latin stuff as well as Santana's band do but they sure will do it well. As crazy as it might sound I think Mark's the weakest instrumentalist in the band now - but used to be the best, by far.
He's probably the oldest!
Because Mark is not a guitar player, he's a singer-songwriter and so far nobody from his perfect band was able to put out a song of Mark's magnitude, so that's fair, I guess. No one can be perfect in everything (except Guy).
He used to be a guitar player, a good one, in my opinion, and also a great songwriter and a proper singer.
He surrounded himself with the best players and the best handyman :lol
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Or maybe he is looking what the band is capable of or able to. I find it pretty cool that they are able to deliver that 70's sound on Nobody Does That so perfectly well and cool as if it was nothing. Mark always says this band is the best one but now he let them show off a bit about their versatility? Folk we know they can do. Now we know that they do Funk and disco also?
LE
Those guys can play virtually anything they want, I'm positively sure about it. They might need some time to adapt and obviously won't play for instance latin stuff as well as Santana's band do but they sure will do it well. As crazy as it might sound I think Mark's the weakest instrumentalist in the band now - but used to be the best, by far.
He's probably the oldest!
Because Mark is not a guitar player, he's a singer-songwriter and so far nobody from his perfect band was able to put out a song of Mark's magnitude, so that's fair, I guess. No one can be perfect in everything (except Guy).
Yeah, but I was talking about them solely as instrumentalists. Of course if you take other aspects of music into consideration Mark's obviously another league.
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Or maybe he is looking what the band is capable of or able to. I find it pretty cool that they are able to deliver that 70's sound on Nobody Does That so perfectly well and cool as if it was nothing. Mark always says this band is the best one but now he let them show off a bit about their versatility? Folk we know they can do. Now we know that they do Funk and disco also?
LE
Those guys can play virtually anything they want, I'm positively sure about it. They might need some time to adapt and obviously won't play for instance latin stuff as well as Santana's band do but they sure will do it well. As crazy as it might sound I think Mark's the weakest instrumentalist in the band now - but used to be the best, by far.
He's probably the oldest!
Because Mark is not a guitar player, he's a singer-songwriter and so far nobody from his perfect band was able to put out a song of Mark's magnitude, so that's fair, I guess. No one can be perfect in everything (except Guy).
He used to be a guitar player, a good one, in my opinion, and also a great songwriter and a proper singer.
He surrounded himself with the best players and the best handyman :lol
In my opinion, when at his peak, Mark was right up there with whoever you choose to top any rankings. His playing was simply out of this world.
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In my opinion, when at his peak, Mark was right up there with whoever you choose to top any rankings. His playing was simply out of this world.
It's a very hard topic as you'd imagine and many times I was pissed on (not off) on this forum for talking about this whole "Mark is not a guitar player" thing, so I won't do it anymore.
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In my opinion, when at his peak, Mark was right up there with whoever you choose to top any rankings. His playing was simply out of this world.
It's a very hard topic as you'd imagine and many times I was pissed on (not off) on this forum for talking about this whole "Mark is not a guitar player" thing, so I won't do it anymore.
I totally get you but if you watch any gig of Clapton's band when Mark was in it and allowed himself to be just a sideman you can easily tell how insanely good he was.
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Hi there.
Reading all the replies to this thread, i must admit that is a sensitive issue to discuss.
That's because here at AMIT is a home for MK fans (the hard ones ;)).
Well, here is my opinion.
I listen to DS/MK since i was a kid. Like many, i started to play guitar because of Mark's music. I cleary remember to listen Down To The Waterline on a trip and saying to myself: "That's i wanna do".
Like Pavel, i learned every song, every chord, every lick, every tone, every live interpretation, every everething.
Reading that "Mark is not a guitar player" simply made my eyes bleed.
Who went to a STP show saw a terrific guitar player. Who listened to the Local Hero Soundtrack listened a master player.
It's obvious that, with age, some pleasures of life changes. Now, Mark is a composer that allow to other people to produce his works. He is almost 70's and he is cleary passing to some "age issues"...etc.
About the DTRW songs that i heard, i must admit that are the uglyests MK's songs that i ever listened. Since Skydiver, i never skiped a MK song.
These new songs are poor, non-expressive and have an disgussing arrangement.
Trapper Man is pure shit.
Years ago, i told to my buddy Brunno Nunes that the GF influence/production was bad in terms of music/arrangement.
I always told that Mark is a innovative artist and he have composed songs in a huge variety of styles and since the Tracker album, i was expecting an "urban" album.
But not an Celine Dion album.
I read some reviews and i have to agree that the most of the music journalists likes to listen shit.
Sorry the long text and sorry my poor english too.
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Reading that "Mark is not a guitar player" simply made my eyes bleed.
Who went to a STP show saw a terrific guitar player. Who listened to the Local Hero Soundtrack listened a master player.
It's obvious that, with age, some pleasures of life changes. Now, Mark is a composer that allow to other people to produce his works. He is almost 70's and he is cleary passing to some "age issues"...etc.
That's exactly why I don't want to talk this "MK The Guitar Player" stuff, because people always get me wrong. And I mean — always.
What I really mean is that for his music (and his distinctive style) he's the best guitar player on the planet, no questions about it. But when you ask yourself, why he's constantly taking lessons from Richard Bennett on the road? Because Richard Bennett is miles ahead in the guitar department, so as Chet Atkins, people like that. Richard can't play a solo like MK and vice versa. So Richard is The Guitar Player with capital letters, Mark is a Songwriter who happens to be a guitar player. This is all I want to say, not that Mark can't play guitar or something.
About the DTRW songs that i heard, i must admit that are the uglyests MK's songs that i ever listened. Since Skydiver, i never skiped a MK song.
These new songs are poor, non-expressive and have an disgussing arrangement.
Trapper Man is pure shit.
Yesterday I was learning Trapper Man and thought "it's one of the simplest MK songs ever". The only trouble is that simple doesn't automatically mean good :disbelief
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I agree that I expected something more... elaborated.. the lyrics suggest something more deep. I know we are never happy. This Is Us, a couple standing in the kitchen and watching photos from their lifelong love, fitted perfectly with such uplifting sound. With the Trapper Man, I expected some sort of serious work about a Kind of the "man on a track" -returning into town if you like and the TR intro sound for a second let me believe this. Out came a Radio tune for simple US Highway Radio Stations (sorry no offence to Americans).
Exactly the first listen you enjoy ... like "Hey what's that.".. and then you realize how flat it is...
My main criterion is always, do I feel the urge to send these songs to my Non-MK friends to show them how good he is .. or do I better not because I feel it could return embarrassing reactions.
LE
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I agree that I expected something more... elaborated.. the lyrics suggest something more deep. I know we are never happy. This Is Us, a couple standing in the kitchen and watching photos from their lifelong love, fitted perfectly with such uplifting sound. With the Trapper Man, I expected some sort of serious work about a Kind of the "man on a track" -returning into town if you like and the TR intro sound for a second let me believe this. Out came a Radio tune for simple US Highway Radio Stations (sorry no offence to Americans).
Exactly the first listen you enjoy ... like "Hey what's that.".. and then you realize how flat it is...
My main criterion is always, do I feel the urge to send these songs to my Non-MK friends to show them how good he is .. or do I better not because I feel it could return embarrassing reactions.
LE
I guess that's the best translation of our frustration, because you're not only into music, but you're deep into lyrics, too.
The album is really too eclectic sometimes. Yes, even with just 10 songs. Yes, even with this kind of poor files quality.
I had huge expectations for One Song At A Time. This story, the Chet Atkins connection (which was only for title).
But what we get is the eclectic marriage between Song For Sonny Liston and So Far From The Clyde.
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I had huge expectations for One Song At A Time. This story, the Chet Atkins connection (which was only for title).
But what we get is the eclectic marriage between Song For Sonny Liston and So Far From The Clyde.
One Song At A Time is pure shit too. Trust me.
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looooooooooool :lol
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I agree that I expected something more... elaborated.. the lyrics suggest something more deep. I know we are never happy. This Is Us, a couple standing in the kitchen and watching photos from their lifelong love, fitted perfectly with such uplifting sound. With the Trapper Man, I expected some sort of serious work about a Kind of the "man on a track" -returning into town if you like and the TR intro sound for a second let me believe this. Out came a Radio tune for simple US Highway Radio Stations (sorry no offence to Americans).
Exactly the first listen you enjoy ... like "Hey what's that.".. and then you realize how flat it is...
My main criterion is always, do I feel the urge to send these songs to my Non-MK friends to show them how good he is .. or do I better not because I feel it could return embarrassing reactions.
LE
Yes, flat, that is what I felt about Trapper Man too, also very monotonous, going on and on to nowhere. It needs more diversions along the way in the good old MK usual style! ;)
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I had huge expectations for One Song At A Time. This story, the Chet Atkins connection (which was only for title).
But what we get is the eclectic marriage between Song For Sonny Liston and So Far From The Clyde.
One Song At A Time is pure shit too. Trust me.
I would be willing to defend that great song, but then again, why should I, each to his own. But with the trust you thing I will be careful from now on. :wave
LE
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Curious.....
Those of you who are very negative to the songs on this album and/or the album in general...
If you have bought ticket/s to the upcoming tour...do you, after hearing most of the songs, feel it's a waste of money thinking several songs from the album will probably be played?
Personally I prefer some songs over others of course, but I'm still hoping for songs from Ragpickers Dream / Privateering again and not mostly DTRW songs....
Those b----rds did not play Marbletown last time in Sweden, they did in the 4 concerts in Norway but skipped when I was attending, and played it again in the next gig... I really hope they do that one this time since I really like the live version of it and want to hear it LIVE!
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I expect nothing from the concert to be honest. I only go because it could be the last time and social pressure is forcing me to go.
He might play five new songs at the first shows maybe but will go down to three and the rest is the usual suspects.
LE
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Hi there.
Reading all the replies to this thread, i must admit that is a sensitive issue to discuss.
That's because here at AMIT is a home for MK fans (the hard ones ;)).
Well, here is my opinion.
I listen to DS/MK since i was a kid. Like many, i started to play guitar because of Mark's music. I cleary remember to listen Down To The Waterline on a trip and saying to myself: "That's i wanna do".
Like Pavel, i learned every song, every chord, every lick, every tone, every live interpretation, every everething.
Reading that "Mark is not a guitar player" simply made my eyes bleed.
Who went to a STP show saw a terrific guitar player. Who listened to the Local Hero Soundtrack listened a master player.
It's obvious that, with age, some pleasures of life changes. Now, Mark is a composer that allow to other people to produce his works. He is almost 70's and he is cleary passing to some "age issues"...etc.
About the DTRW songs that i heard, i must admit that are the uglyests MK's songs that i ever listened. Since Skydiver, i never skiped a MK song.
These new songs are poor, non-expressive and have an disgussing arrangement.
Trapper Man is pure shit.
Years ago, i told to my buddy Brunno Nunes that the GF influence/production was bad in terms of music/arrangement.
I always told that Mark is a innovative artist and he have composed songs in a huge variety of styles and since the Tracker album, i was expecting an "urban" album.
But not an Celine Dion album.
I read some reviews and i have to agree that the most of the music journalists likes to listen shit.
Sorry the long text and sorry my poor english too.
welcome
do not worry about your english.
i hope you will revisit your opinion once you had the chance to listen to the full album, with good headphones on.
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I just read Trapper Man thread again from when we first heard it. We were all over the moon and loving it as though it was the best thing ever, then gradually little cracks and doubts began to appear, especially about the organ, as the euphoria subsided ::)
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I just read Trapper Man thread again from when we first heard it. We were all over the moon and loving it as though it was the best thing ever, then gradually little cracks and doubts began to appear, especially about the organ, as the euphoria subsided ::)
I still have this opinion, and i'm glad i still love the track :)
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I just read Trapper Man thread again from when we first heard it. We were all over the moon and loving it as though it was the best thing ever, then gradually little cracks and doubts began to appear, especially about the organ, as the euphoria subsided ::)
I still have this opinion, and i'm glad i still love the track :)
I'm glad for you and I'm sure all of the tracks will sound much better when we play the album on a good sound system and all of the songs are in the right order!
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Yes indeed, Val, I confess that the moment of hearing ANYTHING new from MK makes me an uncritical dreamer, willing to love every single note. And when it's a faster, uplifting tune that adds to the euphoria. But when brain and wit come back after the first five listens, I realize what it is ...
LE
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It should be forbidden here to post anything the first three days after a new song release. :lol
Vice versa, my opinion about that "Fletcher crap" Nobody Does That changed completey. I love it in the meantime as I do Drover's Road from the first listen.
LE
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Maybe i shouldn't have spread all the songs in 'crap' quality :disbelief :-\
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Hard to find any better at the moment... I guess you used a recording software?
I got the original stream and just cut the mp3's... still that stream quality is not the best... just happy they actually played so many songs from the album already even though it is a bit interesting if they will get a word from MK management about it :hmm
I am still listening to the cut mp3's from original stream and like them... But the discs will be better..
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i hope you will revisit your opinion once you had the chance to listen to the full album, with good headphones on.
This is another problem. Since Tracker, seems that all MK song is based on the great features of the BG studio.
I want to listen a good song with a good sound, not that cheesy Michael Bolton style ;)
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I just read Trapper Man thread again from when we first heard it. We were all over the moon and loving it as though it was the best thing ever, then gradually little cracks and doubts began to appear, especially about the organ, as the euphoria subsided ::)
Probably because people scrutinise the songs too much and nitpick over the tiniest little thing. This has been made for our enjoyment, not to be analysed and criticised. These little so-called "weaknesses" are then pointed out to most of us who would never even have noticed them before, almost spoiling it for the majority. And we haven't even heard the full album in highest quality yet!
I'm not trying to silence opinion, merely pointing out that we should all remember make up our own minds on the songs and that no one person is correct. :)
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i hope you will revisit your opinion once you had the chance to listen to the full album, with good headphones on.
This is another problem. Since Tracker, seems that all MK song is based on the great features of the BG studio.
I want to listen a good song with a good sound, not that cheesy Michael Bolton style ;)
Ok Celine Dion, now Michael Bolton... don't exaggerate..
LE
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Hard to find any better at the moment... I guess you used a recording software?
I got the original stream and just cut the mp3's... still that stream quality is not the best... just happy they actually played so many songs from the album already even though it is a bit interesting if they will get a word from MK management about it :hmm
I am still listening to the cut mp3's from original stream and like them... But the discs will be better..
All recordings we made are 'crap' quality according to some people here. So maybe we shouldn't spread any new ones anymore.
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Hard to find any better at the moment... I guess you used a recording software?
I got the original stream and just cut the mp3's... still that stream quality is not the best... just happy they actually played so many songs from the album already even though it is a bit interesting if they will get a word from MK management about it :hmm
I am still listening to the cut mp3's from original stream and like them... But the discs will be better..
All recordings we made are 'crap' quality according to some people here. So maybe we shouldn't spread any new ones anymore.
Nah, the album's soon here so no need for it unless the last 4 are played, but I think John Scott is back on Friday next...
I am still a bit curious about all these songs they have played.. surely MK management, if they know about it, can't be too happy about it. Considering their $$ in their eyes this time in terms of FA fees, general ticket pricing etc, they should be pissed if one can get most of the songs nearly a week before the album is actually released...
Just wonder if WWUH will get a message from them :lol Anyway they made our weekend... well most of us :clap
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Ok Celine Dion, now Michael Bolton... don't exaggerate..
LE
Ok, Zucchero then.
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i hope you will revisit your opinion once you had the chance to listen to the full album, with good headphones on.
This is another problem. Since Tracker, seems that all MK song is based on the great features of the BG studio.
I want to listen a good song with a good sound, not that cheesy Michael Bolton style ;)
Opinions are something but stating the new songs sound like Michael Bolton isn't exactly an opinion. It's the same as saying banana tastes like tequila or New York looks like Bangkok, sorry lol
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Hard to find any better at the moment... I guess you used a recording software?
I got the original stream and just cut the mp3's... still that stream quality is not the best... just happy they actually played so many songs from the album already even though it is a bit interesting if they will get a word from MK management about it :hmm
I am still listening to the cut mp3's from original stream and like them... But the discs will be better..
All recordings we made are 'crap' quality according to some people here. So maybe we shouldn't spread any new ones anymore.
Hey, I never said that, keep them coming! ;D :wave
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Maybe i shouldn't have spread all the songs in 'crap' quality :disbelief :-\
No, I am very grateful for the work you've done over the last days.
You are a shining light.
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i hope you will revisit your opinion once you had the chance to listen to the full album, with good headphones on.
This is another problem. Since Tracker, seems that all MK song is based on the great features of the BG studio.
I want to listen a good song with a good sound, not that cheesy Michael Bolton style ;)
That's just another huuuuuuuge topic to discuss.
I can't see a single advantage for me as a listener in the fact that Mark records all of his music in the same studio. Yes, it's versatile and it can produce a record that Bob Ludwig will call his benchmark for mastering, but what I'm interested in is the music and not the smell of tape and CLASP system. I mean the quality is important, but not to the point of divinity as it is for Guy.
I mean I don't care listen I the song on the radio or on $1,000,000 system with golden cables and Prism converters. It doesn't change the song.
And again it all comes down to the production.
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Maybe i shouldn't have spread all the songs in 'crap' quality :disbelief :-\
I am very grateful to you for the recordings and to those who have passed them on to me. Thank you! :)
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That's just another huuuuuuuge topic to discuss.
I can't see a single advantage for me as a listener in the fact that Mark records all of his music in the same studio. Yes, it's versatile and it can produce a record that Bob Ludwig will call his benchmark for mastering, but what I'm interested in is the music and not the smell of tape and CLASP system. I mean the quality is important, but not to the point of divinity as it is for Guy.
I mean I don't care listen I the song on the radio or on $1,000,000 system with golden cables and Prism converters. It doesn't change the song.
And again it all comes down to the production.
You are absolutely right.
I like the production of the Tracker album. It sounds minimalist and full sounding.
The songs are mellow and simple (except for Skydiver and that Vox organ that ruins Beryl :disbelief). In a few words, the production fits the album.
I always imagine if the KTGC album were be recorded in instead of Tracker.
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Three years ago I read very often on the forum that the album Tracker is boring, calm and sleepy. Now also complaints.
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Three years ago I read very often on the forum that the album Tracker is boring, calm and sleepy. Now the same :hmm
No, now it's actually the complete opposite :lol
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I corrected my speech:)
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Three years ago I read very often on the forum that the album Tracker is boring, calm and sleepy. Now also complaints.
Tracker is now completely comatose!
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Tracker is now completely comatose!
I think that Tracker is an intimistic album.
If 'Terminal Of Tribute To' and 'Oklahoma Ponies' where in place of 'River Towns' and 'Skydiver', the album would be much better.
We try to find the beauty behind all MK songs.
But i found no beauty at all with these new songs.