A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2019 Down The Road Wherever EU & NA tour => Topic started by: allen on April 21, 2019, 01:23:38 PM
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DTRW TOUR 2019 [C 07] UK/Europe leg 07
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VENUE & LATEST TICKET INFO
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DIARIES
Guy Fletcher D.T.R.W. tour Diary: http://guyfletcher.co.uk/category/2019-european-tour-diary/
Richard Bennett Notes from the Road: https://www.richard-bennett.com/notes-from-the-road
A.M.I.T. HUB
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29 songs were played on the 2015 tour
20 songs yet played on this tour
SET LIST new songs - RED
01.Why Aye Man
02.Nobody does that
03.Corned Beef City
04.Sailing to Philadelphia
05.Once upon a time in the west
06.Romeo and Juliet
07.My Bacon Roll
08. Matchstick Man
09.Done with Bonaparte
10.Heart full of holes
11. She's Gone/Your Latest Trick
12.Silvertown Blues
13. Postcards from Paraguay
14. On Every Street
15.Speedway at Nazareth
16. Money for Nothing
17.Going Home
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Hi all! Anybody else going to the concert tonight? I was at the one in Barcelona and it was a dream come true, first MK concert for me, full of emotions, so this time around I'll be going with a clearer head hehe.
BTW does anybody think it's possible to "catch" Mark at the exit of the concert to take a photo/ask for a signature? I figure it must not be very easy, but it's not like waiting for the Rolling Stones or anything like that, I don't imagine many people would be doing it too, I don't know, but if possible it would be such a precious thing!
Anyways, if anybody is going tonight as well have a fantastic time and enjoy every second of it! See you there!
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Stalking your favourite musician is not the very best thing to do, so I would advise anybody out of doing that, but if you do, I would recommend using a some sort of "bait" to do so. If I were to stalk Mark, I would make a big sign saying something like "Welcome to Russia Mark" or something, or by holding a [good] guitar, not a crappy plywood guitar from Ali. I wouldn't be bothered to stop for a group of random people is all that I'm sayin.
I went to the show in Lisbon and I wish you a great show! It really is a fantastic experience, enjoyed every second of it as well.
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I think I'm addicted. I am waiting for what will happen. Last concert tour? I do not want to believe it.
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Tonight a 12 song set probably :lol
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Tonight a 12 song set probably :lol
Are they flying from a small airport? I am guessing the normal set tonight.
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Guy in diary on Coruna: "Mark and I had decided on the slightly shorter set list for the show, enforced by a strict airport evening takeoff restriction".
"Slightly". I was looking for the right word :)
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To be honest, I don’t understand that if you’re touring, you let yourself being guided by airport closing times. Why not travel the day after? It’s like planning your wedding and on the big day reschedule the timing on your invitation: “ah glad you came to the party mate, please hurry up, finish your drink, the limo driver who’s dropping us at the hotel has to be home at 6”. :think :disbelief
I’m afraid of the Lucca show... :disbelief
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Can he get LESS rock star? He's like the Bill Gates of rock n roll now!
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Can he get LESS rock star? He's like the Bill Gates of rock n roll now!
Always has been ;)
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Can he get LESS rock star? He's like the Bill Gates of rock n roll now!
Always has been ;)
OK, so he was never a Keef Richards, but he was a lot cooler up until 2005. It's been downhill from there :)
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Mark looks great:) Congratulations PensaGhost:)
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hopefully tonight will be good
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I think will open with why aye man :hmm
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Great feeling meeting the master isnt it!!
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WAM!!!
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1. why aye man
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Wow! WAM with the brass section really sounds fantastic.
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:o For the first time in history opener is changing :o
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Congrats.. finally back... KEEP IT
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Sweet! :)
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SO much better opening than NDT. Powerfull! :D
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Wye aye man opener
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Nice, WAM back! :clap
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1. why aye man
2. nobody does that
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1. Why Aye Man
2. Nobody does that
3. Corned Beef City
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I like NDT as a number two song, but it could/should be on rotation.
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So WAM and CBC.. which song might be dropped instead?
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So WAM and CBC.. which song might be dropped instead?
Maybe the same set as Barcelona? :lol
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01. Why Aye Man
02. Nobody does that
03. Corned Beef City
04. Sailing to Philadelphia
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thank you guys,great too here wye aye man
:)))
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A great show tonight :thumbsup
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I think Sailing comes too early in the show. You've just got the pulse up after CBC, and then it's lullaby time with Sailing.
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WAM!!!
Flippin heck....
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Interesting come back
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WAM!!!
Flippin heck....
:))) , now once apon a time in the west
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WAM!!!
Flippin heck....
:))) , now once apon a time in the west
Sounding good???
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solo wonderful :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap
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WAM isn't big deal i suppose... Don't understand all the fuss about it. Not a new song, not a mesterpiece like TR, played tons of times...
Personal tastes of couse.
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WAM isn't big deal i suppose... Don't understand all the fuss about it. Not a new song, not a mesterpiece like TR, played tons of times...
Personal tastes of couse.
But its awfully good LIVE though and a fab opener...
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WAM!!!
Flippin heck....
Maybe Guy's been reading AMIT! If TR is back on tonight we'll know the answer...
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WAM!!!
Flippin heck....
Maybe Guy's been reading AMIT! If TR is back on tonight we'll know the answer...
I'm sure he's aware TR should not be omitted with all the moaning that has taken place, time will tell tonight...
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WAM!!!
Flippin heck....
Maybe Guy's been reading AMIT! If TR is back on tonight we'll know the answer...
wye aye man opener, then I can half enjoy nbdt and Romeo
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farewell speech "pick up my old age pension!!", love it straight into bacon roll
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After Romeo the goodbye speech
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farewell speech "pick up my old age pension!!", love it straight into bacon roll
Hahahahaha!!!!!
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I dig My Bacon Roll. Really a beautiful song. Would love a big, fat slide solo on it.
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farewell speech "pick up my old age pension!!", love it straight into bacon roll
Good mood means good show in my experience with Mark. So far, so good.
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WAM isn't big deal i suppose... Don't understand all the fuss about it. Not a new song, not a mesterpiece like TR, played tons of times...
Personal tastes of couse.
BUT best live version since 2002...
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matchstick man !!!
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WAM isn't big deal i suppose... Don't understand all the fuss about it. Not a new song, not a mesterpiece like TR, played tons of times...
Personal tastes of couse.
BUT best live version since 2002...
only caught end of it tonight, but loved Barcelona being there ,the crowed went wild when he played it, even though was a bit disjointed I loved it , and im so glad its back
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it makes the set so much more fun when its played , same as done with Bonaparte, another one im glad is back too
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No band intro before Bonaparte tonight, but he did do the "good luck" joke. ::)
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WAM isn't big deal i suppose... Don't understand all the fuss about it. Not a new song, not a mesterpiece like TR, played tons of times...
Personal tastes of couse.
BUT best live version since 2002...
Indeed. And it is a great song. Ok I'm biased because I never got a chance to hear it live before, so it probably made a bigger on impression on me than on somebody who has seen it played to death (but quite long ago - 2011 at best), but still, a great opener ! :)
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heart full of holes !!!! oh yesss!!!
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Heart full of holes!! What a, what a wonderful poem with the wonderful bunch of musicians. Real treat :thumbsup
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heart full of holes !!!! oh yesss!!!
Absolutely ruddy Fantastic!!!! He's got to keep that in....
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heart full of holes !!!! oh yesss!!!
Absolutely ruddy Fantastic!!!! He's got to keep that in....
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup ;D ;D and lis would love that so much too
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I don't know. There are just too many slow and pretty songs in the set. It needs some dirt and grease.
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when shes gone, you latest trick!!
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I don't know. There are just too many slow and pretty songs in the set. It needs some dirt and grease.
sonny? ;D
I think this is where mark is at the moment ( and I prefure I like this stuff being a folk blues man) , at the end of the concert it builds up, hes 69 I we love what he plays at the moment.
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I don't know. There are just too many slow and pretty songs in the set. It needs some dirt and grease.
I agree, and YLT doesn't get the grease going!
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silver town blues , lets get some grease going lol
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Metroland and Matchstick Man?
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postcards
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silver town blues , lets get some grease going lol
:lol
Now it's Mardi Gras!
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Love the trumpet in Postcards
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the King is back...
MK 2.0
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Oe oe oe. So old ...
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ole ole ole.lol
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Beautiful version of On every street
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ive had to listen NBDT, Romeo, YLT, OES now SPEEDWAAYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!! (lets hope its good one followed by ……. ;)
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I don't know. There are just too many slow and pretty songs in the set. It needs some dirt and grease.
I agree, and YLT doesn't get the grease going!
Most certainly not!!
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No TR tonight either. Anger building.... >:( >:( >:( >:(
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TR gone :'(
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No TR tonight either. Anger building.... >:( >:( >:( >:(
Oh, not good....
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Hopefully it will appear later in the tour...
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no telegraph , now money for nothing
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What the f---
Stop messing with the set and Bring back TR !!
Fine get rid of WAM we have been nagging about, must Bring back TR >:(
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TR gone :'(
Yep. Obviously gone for good, even when in a good mood and during an otherwise good show. No Sultans, a scaled down Speedway and no TR to end the show. Very, very poor to say the least. If that's all he can manage then yes he should stop touring.
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Early flights for the rest of the tour now forcing TR out ?? >:( >:(
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Hopefully it will appear later in the tour...
Well, MK is not in his best form so I guess he feels safer not playing it.
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Perhaps too difficult for him.
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TR gone :'(
Yep. Obviously gone for good, even when in a good mood and during an otherwise good show. No Sultans, a scaled down Speedway and no TR to end the show. Very, very poor to say the least. If that's all he can manage then yes he should stop touring.
I am enraged for TR, but as far as Speedway is concerned, what's wrong with it ? I found it quite good...
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Hopefully it will appear later in the tour...
Well, MK is not in his best form so I guess he feels safer not playing it.
I actually thought it sounded fine this tour. Better than many versions last tour when he was very slack.
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Hopefully it will appear later in the tour...
Well, MK is not in his best form so I guess he feels safer not playing it.
I actually thought it sounded fine this tour. Better than many versions last tour when he was very slack.
Agree. But yes if TR is to be dropped now and other songs cut down, so yes, quit touring after this year...
Quite shocked it's being pushed out, have not sounded that bad this year....
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but they have hooked up wam as opner !! much better tonight
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TR gone :'(
Yep. Obviously gone for good, even when in a good mood and during an otherwise good show. No Sultans, a scaled down Speedway and no TR to end the show. Very, very poor to say the least. If that's all he can manage then yes he should stop touring.
I am enraged for TR, but as far as Speedway is concerned, what's wrong with it ? I found it quite good...
He takes a break during what was the fastest part of the solo and the brass takes over that part for him, allowing him the break, then he comes back to finish it. Scaled down as far as guitar work is concerned. Just less and less guitar in the show now.
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Maybe he could replace TR with an extended version of Why Worry, segueing into a replay of YLT?
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I am quite sure TR will be back in the 8pm starting gigs
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TR gone :'(
Yep. Obviously gone for good, even when in a good mood and during an otherwise good show. No Sultans, a scaled down Speedway and no TR to end the show. Very, very poor to say the least. If that's all he can manage then yes he should stop touring.
I am enraged for TR, but as far as Speedway is concerned, what's wrong with it ? I found it quite good...
He takes a break during what was the fastest part of the solo and the brass takes over that part for him, allowing him the break, then he comes back to finish it. Scaled down as far as guitar work is concerned. Just less and less guitar in the show now.
I was under the impression that we got *both* brass and guitar *at the same time*, not either one... ?
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Maybe he could replace TR with an extended version of Why Worry, segueing into a replay of YLT?
:lol
Why Bother?
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TR gone :'(
Yep. Obviously gone for good, even when in a good mood and during an otherwise good show. No Sultans, a scaled down Speedway and no TR to end the show. Very, very poor to say the least. If that's all he can manage then yes he should stop touring.
I am enraged for TR, but as far as Speedway is concerned, what's wrong with it ? I found it quite good...
He takes a break during what was the fastest part of the solo and the brass takes over that part for him, allowing him the break, then he comes back to finish it. Scaled down as far as guitar work is concerned. Just less and less guitar in the show now.
I was under the impression that we got *both* brass and guitar *at the same time*, not either one... ?
He's maybe playing the chords but just taking a back seat.
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our hero is 69
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Oh, and I hate the Gibson on Going Home too. Anything else :think...think that's it! Sorry!
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Oh, and I hate the Gibson on Going Home too. Anything else :think...think that's it! Sorry!
Yet in '96 the Gibson was awesome on it... stronger
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our hero is 69
There might be kids reading this!
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Oh, and I hate the Gibson on Going Home too. Anything else :think...think that's it! Sorry!
Yet in '96 the Gibson was awesome on it... stronger
I just think it's a Strat song. Didn't like it back in '96 either. The trumpet doesn't sound right on it also.
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our hero is 69
Ooooooh Matron!!!!
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also lyric prompter in front of him this tour, I think ,( saw in Barcelona ) , (hes had two of them the last 2 concerts), I know young guns have one ,such as joe bonamassa have a too que you with lyics, from back of stage its shining blue from what I can see from clips, but if he needs fair does
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Oh, and I hate the Gibson on Going Home too. Anything else :think...think that's it! Sorry!
Something you do like dmg? 😜
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Oh, and I hate the Gibson on Going Home too. Anything else :think...think that's it! Sorry!
Yet in '96 the Gibson was awesome on it... stronger
I just think it's a Strat song. Didn't like it back in '96 either. The trumpet doesn't sound right on it also.
100% Strat instrumental and no for the trumpet....
My theory is I wonder if he struggles playing the Strat now, I mean the neck on the Gibsons are slightly 'fatter'
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I have to say if this is pretty much how it's going to be for the rest of the tour, I'm starting NOT to regret I didn't get a ticket. I'd love to hear Once Upon A Time, Silvertown and Bacon Roll live, but I don't think the shows on the whole are that much different or better than the Tracker shows. I'll get a couple of downloads down the line.
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100% Strat instrumental and no for the trumpet....
My theory is I wonder if he struggles playing the Strat now, I mean the neck on the Gibsons are slightly 'fatter'
And shorter neck. Less string tension. The Telegraph Pensa has the same short neck as a Gibson, though.
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also lyric prompter in front of him this tour, I think ,( saw in Barcelona ) , (hes had two of them the last 2 concerts), I know young guns have one ,such as joe bonamassa have a too que you with lyics, from back of stage its shining blue from what I can see from clips, but if he needs fair does
Still had a small blip on Bacon Roll tonight at the last verse. He also said "treacherous load" instead of "hazardous load" on OES. Probably deliberate though.
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I have to say if this is pretty much how it's going to be for the rest of the tour, I'm starting NOT to regret I didn't get a ticket. I'd love to hear Once Upon A Time, Silvertown and Bacon Roll live, but I don't think the shows on the whole are that much different or better than the Tracker shows. I'll get a couple of downloads down the line.
Oh I'm pleased personally I'm doing two smaller concerts but I have this tour left out the RAH shows. I do however have lovely memories of the master playing the RAH throughout the years and especially front row seats in front of him...
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also lyric prompter in front of him this tour, I think ,( saw in Barcelona ) , (hes had two of them the last 2 concerts), I know young guns have one ,such as joe bonamassa have a too que you with lyics, from back of stage its shining blue from what I can see from clips, but if he needs fair does
Still had a small blip on Bacon Roll tonight at the last verse. He also said "treacherous load" instead of "hazardous load" on OES. Probably deliberate though.
Near as darn it....come on dmg!!
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01.Why Aye Man
02.Nobody does that
03.Corned Beef City
04.Sailing to Philadelphia
05.Once upon a time in the west
06.Romeo and Juliet
07.My Bacon Roll
08. Matchstick Man
09.Done with Bonaparte
10.Heart full of holes
11. She's Gone/Your Latest Trick
12.Silvertown Blues
13. Postcards from Paraguay
14. On Every Street
15.Speedway at Nazareth
16. Money for Nothing
17.Going Home
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100% Strat instrumental and no for the trumpet....
My theory is I wonder if he struggles playing the Strat now, I mean the neck on the Gibsons are slightly 'fatter'
And shorter neck. Less string tension. The Telegraph Pensa has the same short neck as a Gibson, though.
True, very true...
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01.Why Aye Man
02.Nobody does that
03.Corned Beef City
04.Sailing to Philadelphia
05.Once upon a time in the west
06.Romeo and Juliet
07.My Bacon Roll
08. Matchstick Man
09.Done with Bonaparte
10.Heart full of holes
11. She's Gone/Your Latest Trick
12.Silvertown Blues
13. Postcards from Paraguay
14. On Every Street
15.Speedway at Nazareth
16. Money for Nothing
17.Going Home
A good set for me except OES which can be replace by BIA between SAN And MFN.
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100% Strat instrumental and no for the trumpet....
My theory is I wonder if he struggles playing the Strat now, I mean the neck on the Gibsons are slightly 'fatter'
And shorter neck. Less string tension. The Telegraph Pensa has the same short neck as a Gibson, though.
thought that I Barcelona, but still plays the slower stuff great on gibsons and pensa's
True, very true...
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One sad thing is we are not going to get OSAAT are we.... :disbelief
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One sad thing is we are not going to get OSAAT are we.... :disbelief
there's still time on Gibson, , along way to go yet!!
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Online poll, anyone ;D
https://twitter.com/dvschend/status/1125147359850188804
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brilliant set , marks 69 , played well , cant wait wait to catch up with you guys
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Some of you really need to be ashamed of yourselves. Mark has given his fans all he has got for over 4 decades. Now he is saying his goodbyes and all you van do is whine. This man deserves a standing ovation each night and nothing less.
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Some of you really need to be ashamed of yourselves. Mark has given his fans all he has got for over 4 decades. Now he is saying his goodbyes and all you van do is whine. This man deserves a standing ovation each night and nothing less.
Hear, bloody hear!!! Well Feckin said.....
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brilliant set , marks 69 , played well , cant wait wait to catch up with you guys
Sorry, but this is not a good set. Barcelona was mainly interesting because of Once Upon a Time and Silvertown, however there are many reasons why this isn't good and why it could easily be so much better.
1. TR must be maintained because it is the only song majestic/epic/monumental (call it what you will) enough to finish the concert with aplomb. ToL would do it but he won't play that either.
2. He's missing out on playing the best songs from the new album such as OSAAT.
3. The set lacks pace in the first half after CBC.
Played well? Yes, the band did but Mark is no longer the star attraction; he merely shares the stage with the other musicians now. TR was his showcase. If this is his final tour what a bitterly disappointing legacy to leave.
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Some of you really need to be ashamed of yourselves. Mark has given his fans all he has got for over 4 decades. Now he is saying his goodbyes and all you van do is whine. This man deserves a standing ovation each night and nothing less.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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brilliant set , marks 69 , played well , cant wait wait to catch up with you guys
Sorry, but this is not a good set. Barcelona was mainly interesting because of Once Upon a Time and Silvertown, however there are many reasons why this isn't good and why it could easily be so much better.
1. TR must be maintained because it is the only song majestic/epic/monumental (call it what you will) enough to finish the concert with aplomb. ToL would do it but he won't play that either.
2. He's missing out on playing the best songs from the new album such as OSAAT.
3. The set lacks pace in the first half after CBC.
:hmm :hmm :o
I'm in disbelief, this is MK's last huge tour, and I'm convinced he's struggling so lets just be thankful for 17 tunes from 'The Master' tonight....
It's just 13 days until Leeds and I can't wait!!!!!!
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Some of you really need to be ashamed of yourselves. Mark has given his fans all he has got for over 4 decades. Now he is saying his goodbyes and all you van do is whine. This man deserves a standing ovation each night and nothing less.
Hear, bloody hear!!! Well Feckin said.....
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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One sad thing is we are not going to get OSAAT are we.... :disbelief
there's still time on Gibson, , along way to go yet!!
I guess so, and again we have to be very thankful hes playing at all....looking forward to our catch up in Leeds....
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brilliant set , marks 69 , played well , cant wait wait to catch up with you guys
Sorry, but this is not a good set. Barcelona was mainly interesting because of Once Upon a Time and Silvertown, however there are many reasons why this isn't good and why it could easily be so much better.
1. TR must be maintained because it is the only song majestic/epic/monumental (call it what you will) enough to finish the concert with aplomb. ToL would do it but he won't play that either.
2. He's missing out on playing the best songs from the new album such as OSAAT.
3. The set lacks pace in the first half after CBC.
It is what it is DMG. You can choose to be critical, or you can choose to enjoy it while you can. I choose the latter.
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brilliant set , marks 69 , played well , cant wait wait to catch up with you guys
Played well? Yes, the band did but Mark is no longer the star attraction; he merely shares the stage with the other musicians now. TR was his showcase. If this is his final tour what a bitterly disappointing legacy to leave.
Well put it this way, I haven't shelved out hundreds of pounds to watch/listen to Guy Fletcher and the sunshine band with Mark Knopfler as a guest....
MK IS the star attraction and like all those who made up DS over the years they were there to support MK!!
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brilliant set , marks 69 , played well , cant wait wait to catch up with you guys
Sorry, but this is not a good set. Barcelona was mainly interesting because of Once Upon a Time and Silvertown, however there are many reasons why this isn't good and why it could easily be so much better.
1. TR must be maintained because it is the only song majestic/epic/monumental (call it what you will) enough to finish the concert with aplomb. ToL would do it but he won't play that either.
2. He's missing out on playing the best songs from the new album such as OSAAT.
3. The set lacks pace in the first half after CBC.
:hmm :hmm :o
I'm in disbelief, this is MK's last huge tour, and I'm convinced he's struggling so lets just be thankful for 17 tunes from 'The Master' tonight....
It's just 13 days until Leeds and I can't wait!!!!!!
he looked old in barcelona , and i had tears in my eyes when he enterd the stage, looking slow and tierd, i didnt want him to even atempt sultans or anything quick this tour , the set is what he can play now, loved the differnet set and surprises and i loved every second of it!! ,im so looking forward to catching up with knoflerfan and dmg in leeds newcastle , london etc , but all of us love knopff can still play and had heart felt melodies and we can see him do it
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brilliant set , marks 69 , played well , cant wait wait to catch up with you guys
Sorry, but this is not a good set. Barcelona was mainly interesting because of Once Upon a Time and Silvertown, however there are many reasons why this isn't good and why it could easily be so much better.
1. TR must be maintained because it is the only song majestic/epic/monumental (call it what you will) enough to finish the concert with aplomb. ToL would do it but he won't play that either.
2. He's missing out on playing the best songs from the new album such as OSAAT.
3. The set lacks pace in the first half after CBC.
:hmm :hmm :o
I'm in disbelief, this is MK's last huge tour, and I'm convinced he's struggling so lets just be thankful for 17 tunes from 'The Master' tonight....
It's just 13 days until Leeds and I can't wait!!!!!!
he looked old in barcelona , and i had tears in my eyes when he enterd the stage, looking slow and tierd, i didnt want him to even atempt sultans or anything quick this tour , the set is what he can play now, loved the differnet set and surprises and i loved every second of it!! ,im so looking forward to catching up with knoflerfan and dmg in leeds newcastle , london etc , but all of us love knopff can still play and had heart felt melodies and we can see him do it
I too have shed a tear looking at the various vids on YT and I'm sure will do in Leeds and Birmingham...let's just all be thankful for what Fantastic music MK has given us over the years and how the music lives on long after he stops touring
I am looking forward to catching up with Mr Crimmer, dmg, Mr & Mrs Superval99, Ingridswing and others and then all going to the concert hall to listen to 'The master' play....
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Some of you really need to be ashamed of yourselves. Mark has given his fans all he has got for over 4 decades. Now he is saying his goodbyes and all you van do is whine. This man deserves a standing ovation each night and nothing less.
Actually you are damn right !
I know I will enjoy Bordeaux tomorrow whatever the setlist is.
Thanks for saving me from the dark side.
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Some of you really need to be ashamed of yourselves. Mark has given his fans all he has got for over 4 decades. Now he is saying his goodbyes and all you van do is whine. This man deserves a standing ovation each night and nothing less.
Actually you are damn right !
I know I will enjoy Bordeaux tomorrow whatever the setlist is.
Thanks for saving me from the dark side.
It will be the atmosphere thing that once you get into the concert hall and the music cranks up and MK starts playing that at that point you don't give a s$$t what is played as long as he keeps playing!!!
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brilliant set , marks 69 , played well , cant wait wait to catch up with you guys
Sorry, but this is not a good set. Barcelona was mainly interesting because of Once Upon a Time and Silvertown, however there are many reasons why this isn't good and why it could easily be so much better.
1. TR must be maintained because it is the only song majestic/epic/monumental (call it what you will) enough to finish the concert with aplomb. ToL would do it but he won't play that either.
2. He's missing out on playing the best songs from the new album such as OSAAT.
3. The set lacks pace in the first half after CBC.
It is what it is DMG. You can choose to be critical, or you can choose to enjoy it while you can. I choose the latter.
I'm just not going to pretend I'm happy he's short changing us, that's all. No Sultans, no TR, stripped-back Speedway and since 1992 no ToL. We must be the most loyal fans in the world!
I've been listening to his music since 1985 and I was 8 or 9 and loved his guitar and I'm not going to these shows solely to listen to him "singing" HFOH with a brass band behind him - that's not what got me into his music. I understand he's evolved but to the extent that his guitar is virtually abandoned on his farewell tour is two fingers up to his most loyal fans and a thumbs up to those who have been fans for 5 minutes. It makes it even worse that he teased us with TR on a few early shows.
If he looks old, slow and incapable he really shouldn't be attempting a tour of this scale, or any scale. I think there's a bit of an exaggeration over his physical well-being.
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Someone replied "You dont deserve to call yourself a fan" to my twitter poll already. Here we must be ashamed. I must have travelled back to the 1500's to get a proper witchhunt :clap
How judgemental. Zero tolerance people, if you'll have a slightly different opinion :wave
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Someone replied "You dont deserve to call yourself a fan" to my twitter poll already. Here we must be ashamed. I must have travelled back to the 1500's to get a proper witchhunt :clap
How judgemental. Zero tolerance people, if you'll have a slightly different opinion :wave
Guess which way I voted. Go on! :lol
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Hi all!
I am a long time fan, which -supposely- was cured from the MK bug, ha! but in the end, we all end up in the same place, isn't ?
I was at the Madrid show. Top notch, as usual. The band sounded brutal, I mean, perfectly equalized, beautiful arrangements, super deep sound.. I absolutely loved the set. With respect Mark's skills, well. Obviously he struggles a bit when soloing. He has not been practicing much, you can say. Mainly, his phrasing consists now about short and secure licks. But you cannot expect many 8 bars runs anymore. Anyway, there's still the soul there. That will never change.
I think he absolutely knows it, and probably that's why TR has been dropped. If you look closely in the Youtube recordings, he shakes his hands before the final solo, like "C'mon, one more time". He obviously is not confortable anymore throwing 16th notes 4 minutes solos, probably, he's not physically confortable.
We have to respect that. He has given it all for us fans, and we have to respect what he can provide us at this point. I was mesmerized with TR, but, I would have been anyway without it.
Got to say, I found myself several times on tears, this guy has a superspecial place in my soul. Wish I could take one more extra show from the man! I will rely to the old 96' recordings, my absolute favourite era from him :)
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69 isn't really old, especially for a person in Mark's position who can get the best doctors and physiotherapists and personal trainers and what not. And he gets plenty of rest on the tour, stays in great hotels. But as someone said, people age differently and some faster than others, and who knows if he actually has a health problem (remember John Illsley, who kept his cancer secret). If Mark could have played technically better, with more intensity and with more stamina, he would have. For sure. So, I think the set and the show are good, all things considered. Still I wonder if 80 shows plus is the right way of doing this.
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It is disappointing that only 3 songs made it from the new album and 2 of those are not that musically challenging.It seems to me that the band is a bit bloated and certain songs have to be played to accommodate the different sections.Its still brilliant and we are grateful that he comes on the road
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69 isn't really old, especially for a person in Mark's position who can get the best doctors and physiotherapists and personal trainers and what not. And he gets plenty of rest on the tour, stays in great hotels. But as someone said, people age differently and some faster than others, and who knows if he actually has a health problem (remember John Illsley, who kept his cancer secret). If Mark could have played technically better, with more intensity and with more stamina, he would have. For sure. So, I think the set and the show are good, all things considered. Still I wonder if 80 shows plus is the right way of doing this.
Exactly. I think he's just pacing himself.
Also, I don't get all this "he so old" and "we should be grateful he's still playing" crap. He is still in his 60s! If he did have some condition meaning he shouldn't tour then I'm quite sure his doctors wouldn't have allowed him and he'd be sitting with his feet up.
He's decided that he's probably taken on too much and he'll short change the fans. If he'd undertaken a short tour then we'd have a better set with TR. It's quantity over quality.
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Frankly I am KO
Final solo of TR is the main reason I go to a concert and 99% I am not getting it this friday in Milan
and the versions from this tour are MUCH better than any 2015 version, so it's just total crap that he can't play it
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dmg, if you want to feel better, remember that your favorite tour of all times (the BIA tour) did feature TR only a couple of times in OZ, not once in Europe or Americas :D
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dmg, if you want to feel better, remember that your favorite tour of all times (the BIA tour) did feature TR only a couple of times in OZ, not once in Europe or Americas :D
Yes, but ToL is better! ;D
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dmg, if you want to feel better, remember that your favorite tour of all times (the BIA tour) did feature TR only a couple of times in OZ, not once in Europe or Americas :D
Yes, but ToL is better! ;D
TOL is better??!! Not really...Mwahhhh!!! :lol
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brilliant set , marks 69 , played well , cant wait wait to catch up with you guys
Sorry, but this is not a good set. Barcelona was mainly interesting because of Once Upon a Time and Silvertown, however there are many reasons why this isn't good and why it could easily be so much better.
1. TR must be maintained because it is the only song majestic/epic/monumental (call it what you will) enough to finish the concert with aplomb. ToL would do it but he won't play that either.
2. He's missing out on playing the best songs from the new album such as OSAAT.
3. The set lacks pace in the first half after CBC.
:hmm :hmm :o
I'm in disbelief, this is MK's last huge tour, and I'm convinced he's struggling so lets just be thankful for 17 tunes from 'The Master' tonight....
It's just 13 days until Leeds and I can't wait!!!!!!
he looked old in barcelona , and i had tears in my eyes when he enterd the stage, looking slow and tierd, i didnt want him to even atempt sultans or anything quick this tour , the set is what he can play now, loved the differnet set and surprises and i loved every second of it!! ,im so looking forward to catching up with knoflerfan and dmg in leeds newcastle , london etc , but all of us love knopff can still play and had heart felt melodies and we can see him do it
I too have shed a tear looking at the various vids on YT and I'm sure will do in Leeds and Birmingham...let's just all be thankful for what Fantastic music MK has given us over the years and how the music lives on long after he stops touring
I am looking forward to catching up with Mr Crimmer, dmg, Mr & Mrs Superval99, Ingridswing and others and then all going to the concert hall to listen to 'The master' play....
:thumbsup ;D
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brilliant set , marks 69 , played well , cant wait wait to catch up with you guys
Sorry, but this is not a good set. Barcelona was mainly interesting because of Once Upon a Time and Silvertown, however there are many reasons why this isn't good and why it could easily be so much better.
1. TR must be maintained because it is the only song majestic/epic/monumental (call it what you will) enough to finish the concert with aplomb. ToL would do it but he won't play that either.
2. He's missing out on playing the best songs from the new album such as OSAAT.
3. The set lacks pace in the first half after CBC.
It is what it is DMG. You can choose to be critical, or you can choose to enjoy it while you can. I choose the latter.
I'm just not going to pretend I'm happy he's short changing us, that's all. No Sultans, no TR, stripped-back Speedway and since 1992 no ToL. We must be the most loyal fans in the world!
I've been listening to his music since 1985 and I was 8 or 9 and loved his guitar and I'm not going to these shows solely to listen to him "singing" HFOH with a brass band behind him - that's not what got me into his music. I understand he's evolved but to the extent that his guitar is virtually abandoned on his farewell tour is two fingers up to his most loyal fans and a thumbs up to those who have been fans for 5 minutes. It makes it even worse that he teased us with TR on a few early shows.
If he looks old, slow and incapable he really shouldn't be attempting a tour of this scale, or any scale. I think there's a bit of an exaggeration over his physical well-being.
No one's asking you to be happy. Many of your comments may be completely valid but there's a time and a place.
We all know Mark is not what he once was, but short changing the fans? Come on. This view comes from a completely warped sense of the relationship between artist and listener. He's not there to create what we want, or to play what we want in the way we want it. He's an artist and will take any approach he sees fit, and its quite obvious that a hell of a lot of hard work goes into bringing this particular show to public consumption, even if you don't actually like the particular flavours on offer. No one is arm twisting or coercing anyone here to pay for anything that is less in value in this respect.
This is probably the last chance many of us will get to see MK live and I for one will not question what he wants to play, how he wants to play it. There are few left like him and I'll be enjoying every second of whatever music is left in his locker.
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100% agree with all you have said 2manyguitars...
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100% agree with all you have said 2manyguitars...
I can just imagine Dmg stood behind Da Vinci as he painted the Mona Lisa - 'Its ok but I'd have preferred you to use the colours from the Last Supper' ;-)
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100% agree with all you have said 2manyguitars...
I can just imagine Dmg stood behind Da Vinci as he painted the Mona Lisa - 'Its ok but I'd have preferred you to use the colours from the Last Supper' ;-)
Hahaha!
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Criticism is caring, personally I don't care about praise. If something's good everybody know it's good, it's like reviewing a movie Schindler's List, it's like what to review there? It's one of the best movies in the world. With music, though, it's hard to judge, but I've never seen setlist problem being such a problem, with the exception maybe for Bob Dylan, and Mark's been transforming into Bob slowly, but surely lately.
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Criticism is caring, personally I don't care about praise. If something's good everybody know it's good, it's like reviewing a movie Schindler's List, it's like what to review there? It's one of the best movies in the world. With music, though, it's hard to judge, but I've never seen setlist problem being such a problem, with the exception maybe for Bob Dylan, and Mark's been transforming into Bob slowly, but surely lately.
Its not the criticism of any of the actual content that bothers me quizzaciously. Its the attributing of various motives to those decisions as if MK and co are sat seeking to piss us all off and are doing so deliberately when its quite obvious that they are putting their hearts minds and souls into this tour. Its fine to say 'I don't like this, this is not for me'. Its quite another thing to lay accusations of laziness, short changing the fans, etc....
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Criticism is caring, personally I don't care about praise. If something's good everybody know it's good, it's like reviewing a movie Schindler's List, it's like what to review there? It's one of the best movies in the world. With music, though, it's hard to judge, but I've never seen setlist problem being such a problem, with the exception maybe for Bob Dylan, and Mark's been transforming into Bob slowly, but surely lately.
Its not the criticism of any of the actual content that bothers me quizzaciously. Its the attributing of various motives to those decisions as if MK and co are sat seeking to piss us all off and are doing so deliberately when its quite obvious that they are putting their hearts minds and souls into this tour. Its fine to say 'I don't like this, this is not for me'. Its quite another thing to lay accusations of laziness, short changing the fans, etc....
Every tour I always say there's no smoke without fire. Every tour generates lots of harsh words and disappointment, but it's not supposed to. Guy Fletcher isn't supposed to warn people from asking setlist questions as if it's a violation of law, but the sheer amount of unsatisfied people always baffles me.
Human beings in their right minds are always seeking for advantages, benefits and easy routs. Mark isn't going on tour to lose money and health, he's going on tour to make money and stay healthy, nothing wrong with that. The problem is when his abilities and fans desires can't meet. As I said, the demand for Mark's songs is so huge and he delivers so little, so naturally there's tribute bands and "hate" everywhere. It's woe from wit, and it happens because of our love towards MK, not against it. I'd say, after this 85-shows stadium tour Mark will shake his setlist like crazy and everybody will be happy at last on more intimate shows, like Mark himself always wanted it to be. Playing pubs and theatres, huh?
Call it short changing the fans, laziness, but cutting not the longest shows in the world and rushing the shows because of an airport issue before the day-off is not the best behavior either. I once was on a classical guitar recital with one 60-years-old man playing Bach for 4 hours and with 4 intermissions. And I can tell you playing Bach on guitar for an audience of 2.5 thousand people is not playing pentatonic scales on a signature Gibson Les Paul and singing songs while on a luxury trip with your private jet and an orchestra.
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Criticism is caring, personally I don't care about praise. If something's good everybody know it's good, it's like reviewing a movie Schindler's List, it's like what to review there? It's one of the best movies in the world. With music, though, it's hard to judge, but I've never seen setlist problem being such a problem, with the exception maybe for Bob Dylan, and Mark's been transforming into Bob slowly, but surely lately.
Its not the criticism of any of the actual content that bothers me quizzaciously. Its the attributing of various motives to those decisions as if MK and co are sat seeking to piss us all off and are doing so deliberately when its quite obvious that they are putting their hearts minds and souls into this tour. Its fine to say 'I don't like this, this is not for me'. Its quite another thing to lay accusations of laziness, short changing the fans, etc....
Every tour I always say there's no smoke without fire. Every tour generates lots of harsh words and disappointment, but it's not supposed to. Guy Fletcher isn't supposed to warn people from asking setlist questions as if it's a violation of law, but the sheer amount of unsatisfied people always baffles me.
Human beings in their right minds are always seeking for advantages, benefits and easy routs. Mark isn't going on tour to lose money and health, he's going on tour to make money and stay healthy, nothing wrong with that. The problem is when his abilities and fans desires can't meet. As I said, the demand for Mark's songs is so huge and he delivers so little, so naturally there's tribute bands and "hate" everywhere. It's woe from wit, and it happens because of our love towards MK, not against it. I'd say, after this 85-shows stadium tour Mark will shake his setlist like crazy and everybody will be happy at last on more intimate shows, like Mark himself always wanted it to be. Playing pubs and theatres, huh?
Call it short changing the fans, laziness, but cutting not the longest shows in the world and rushing the shows because of an airport issue before the day-off is not the best behavior either. I once was on a classical guitar recital with one 60-years-old man playing Bach for 4 hours and with 4 intermissions. And I can tell you playing Bach on guitar for an audience of 2.5 thousand people is not playing pentatonic scales on a signature Gibson Les Paul and singing songs while on a luxury trip with your private jet and an orchestra.
I'm sorry but we're just not on the same page on this. So many of those criticisms are suppositions based on what can be seen and inferred from outside the bubble. None of us knows the real reasons, the real stresses that exist behind the scenes and I state categorically that until proven otherwise MK deserves to have his artistic choices respected. Do you honestly think at 69, with millions in the bank that he's on tour for money? Odds are in fact that the tour overall may run at a loss....
As for shortening of the shows can we hold mk personally responsible for the judgement of management, promotors, local venues etc?
Can we not just enjoy this tour for what it is, not what we want it to be? If you want a live dire straits jukebox go see DSL or one of the other many 'poor old fakers'....
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I think the same 2manyguitars
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Can we not just enjoy this tour for what it is, not what we want it to be? If you want a live dire straits jukebox go see DSL or one of the other many 'poor old fakers'....
We have no other choice... I enjoyed my show very much, can't even pretend I'm unhappy. I'm happy, BUT, always this "but" comes into the picture... But for the most part it was predictable (me and you Richard, good luck — seriously?) and overall too short with long songs and long outros. The audience was over-the-top, Mark nearly cried on stage. Everyone's cheering, screaming, Mark's crying, I'm crying, everybody's crying. But Mark plays Going Home and that's it, you go home.
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There may be no formula for writing songs like Mark, but if you want to do tours like Mark, do the following:
1. You and me Richard, Good Luck
2. Pick songs with long outros to let the musicians jam along some sort of vamp for as long as possible
3. Pick songs you already rehearsed for previous tours, but which got rejected for some reason
4. From the new album take songs which literally nobody expects to hear live and
5. Take the most unexpected song from #4 and make it an opener
6. Pick songs based on difficulty level, despite the fact that you have Richard the Good Luck who can play anything including solos and already did that with songs like 5:15 a.m. and the first part of Telegraph Road
7. Have a dedicated percussion player in the band, but give the cowbell to flutist
8. Play half of the show while sitting, despite the fact that in 2010 you played the whole show while sitting and nobody has complained
Bonus tracks:
1. Throw away a 15-minutes song that a lot of people wants to hear and replace it with nothing
2. Change the opener from date to date for no apparent reason
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I'm so excited to see mark this tour, I've seen a few shows over a few tours so I have my memories, I see this as a way to say goodbye and enjoy the music.
I think he's working really hard to get through these shows, sure he's "only" 69 (still pretty up there!) But no one knows how people age especially someone who has spent a long time on the road, touring , playing , working etc,
As i've said in the past, I feel like Mark's playing has been on a slow decline since 2010 for whatever reason (and there could be many many reasons for this aside from lack of practicing) He doesn't need the money that's for sure. He could've stopped touring 20 years ago. He is pushing through (at least partially) for the fans so whatever he can give us that he feels comfortable with i'm happy with also.
It will be an emotional end to this tour, And I hope that mark continues with some sporadic shows at the RAH or elsewhere, I just hope he has another album or 2 left, I feel like he has an endless supply of great songs out there and I hope to hear as many as possible!
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A short while ago
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There will definitely be a woollen lap blanket in the back of the car somewhere and like all "old people's cars" there will be a bunch of flowery cushions in the back too! ;D
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Its not the criticism of any of the actual content that bothers me quizzaciously. Its the attributing of various motives to those decisions as if MK and co are sat seeking to piss us all off and are doing so deliberately when its quite obvious that they are putting their hearts minds and souls into this tour. Its fine to say 'I don't like this, this is not for me'. Its quite another thing to lay accusations of laziness, short changing the fans, etc....
Insightful. This reminds me of the Some Kind of Monster documentary where Lar's is asked about the Napster fiasco and he replies sarcastically, "Hmmm life seems too easy at the moment, I'm gonna try and become the most hated man in rock'n'roll.." :)
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Criticism is caring, personally I don't care about praise. If something's good everybody know it's good, it's like reviewing a movie Schindler's List, it's like what to review there? It's one of the best movies in the world. With music, though, it's hard to judge, but I've never seen setlist problem being such a problem, with the exception maybe for Bob Dylan, and Mark's been transforming into Bob slowly, but surely lately.
Its not the criticism of any of the actual content that bothers me quizzaciously. Its the attributing of various motives to those decisions as if MK and co are sat seeking to piss us all off and are doing so deliberately when its quite obvious that they are putting their hearts minds and souls into this tour. Its fine to say 'I don't like this, this is not for me'. Its quite another thing to lay accusations of laziness, short changing the fans, etc....
Every tour I always say there's no smoke without fire. Every tour generates lots of harsh words and disappointment, but it's not supposed to. Guy Fletcher isn't supposed to warn people from asking setlist questions as if it's a violation of law, but the sheer amount of unsatisfied people always baffles me.
Human beings in their right minds are always seeking for advantages, benefits and easy routs. Mark isn't going on tour to lose money and health, he's going on tour to make money and stay healthy, nothing wrong with that. The problem is when his abilities and fans desires can't meet. As I said, the demand for Mark's songs is so huge and he delivers so little, so naturally there's tribute bands and "hate" everywhere. It's woe from wit, and it happens because of our love towards MK, not against it. I'd say, after this 85-shows stadium tour Mark will shake his setlist like crazy and everybody will be happy at last on more intimate shows, like Mark himself always wanted it to be. Playing pubs and theatres, huh?
Call it short changing the fans, laziness, but cutting not the longest shows in the world and rushing the shows because of an airport issue before the day-off is not the best behavior either. I once was on a classical guitar recital with one 60-years-old man playing Bach for 4 hours and with 4 intermissions. And I can tell you playing Bach on guitar for an audience of 2.5 thousand people is not playing pentatonic scales on a signature Gibson Les Paul and singing songs while on a luxury trip with your private jet and an orchestra.
I'm sorry but we're just not on the same page on this. So many of those criticisms are suppositions based on what can be seen and inferred from outside the bubble. None of us knows the real reasons, the real stresses that exist behind the scenes and I state categorically that until proven otherwise MK deserves to have his artistic choices respected. Do you honestly think at 69, with millions in the bank that he's on tour for money? Odds are in fact that the tour overall may run at a loss....
As for shortening of the shows can we hold mk personally responsible for the judgement of management, promotors, local venues etc?
Can we not just enjoy this tour for what it is, not what we want it to be? If you want a live dire straits jukebox go see DSL or one of the other many 'poor old fakers'....
Great conclusion
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WAM!!!
Great, thank you Guy for reading the forum! This a good opener!
I am happy that Mark is still doing a tour, because after Tracker tour I tought that it might be the last one. It is not relevant to compare him to other people and thing. He is still my hero.
And please stop writing setlist questions on Guy´s forum.
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I used to be critic with the setlist choices and the poor organization of the tour where the audiebc6is always the less important but... This is MK last tour and judging what I saw, I'm not sure if he will manage to end it. If he does, which I hope he does, it would be a great achievement for MK.
I fear that behind the decision of leaving the touring is something else we don't know. I still remember when Clapton confessed his disease how shocking it was.
I know that I have to enjoy the 4 remaining concerts I have tickets for. And I hope I end using all that four tickets.
I'd like to hear new songs in that 4 shows, yes, but with Once upon a time in the West and Silvertown I have enough of surprises.
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Just reading through all of the comments about last night's show. I'm sorry that TR has disappeared again from the set, but not surprised at all. If MK feels he is not doing justice to the song, then it is best it is dropped, at least for a few shows anyway. Who knows, maybe it will return somewhere.
Regarding MK's age - 70 in a few weeks time. Most of those complaining on this forum are around 30 years younger than he is and don't have a clue about what could be ahead of them in the future. I am probably one of the oldest on this forum and a few years older than MK, so I know what I'm talking about. I know my fingers are not what they used to be, for example! This is his final tour and I have already said that he may have taken on too much with such a long tour, but the fact that he is doing this tour for the fans is to be applauded and I intend to take in every note and enjoy every minute - I will probably shed a few tears too! Thank you MK! :clap
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Regarding MK's age - 70 in a few weeks time. Most of those complaining on this forum are around 30 years younger than he is and don't have a clue about what could be ahead of them in the future. I am probably one of the oldest on this forum and a few years older than MK, so I know what I'm talking about. I know my fingers are not what they used to be, for example! This is his final tour and I have already said that he may have taken on too much with such a long tour, but the fact that he is doing this tour for the fans is to be applauded and I intend to take in every note and enjoy every minute - I will probably shed a few tears too! Thank you MK! :clap
Wise words. And some people have more diseases at the age of 50 than some at the age of 70. So it is not relevant to compare to other artists. In addition, Knopfler´s playing style is quite challenging and even a small coordination problem causes major harm for his right hand technique.
Based on the Yoube videos Mark´s appearance is at least a bit better than in the beginning of the tour. And I think he feels quite okay, because he wanted to attempt Why aye man again last night.
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With WAM back it's a really good setlist despite TR being dropped so let's hope it was just temporarily. But I'm afraid it could be permanent, why else drop one of the most certain songs in the average setlist....
We will get a new indication tonight how things are...
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With WAM back it's a really good setlist despite TR being dropped so let's hope it was just temporarily. But I'm afraid it could be permanent, why else drop one of the most certain songs in the average setlist....
Well, he did in the US during the Tracker tour also. Maybe he was starting to having issues already then. Was that when he started shaking his hands a lot?
I'm don't blame him for dropping anything, for health or artistic reason, whatever the case may be, but in my opinion he fails to compensate accordingly.
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I think the same 2manyguitars
:thumbsup :)
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There may be no formula for writing songs like Mark, but if you want to do tours like Mark, do the following:
1. You and me Richard, Good Luck
2. Pick songs with long outros to let the musicians jam along some sort of vamp for as long as possible
3. Pick songs you already rehearsed for previous tours, but which got rejected for some reason
4. From the new album take songs which literally nobody expects to hear live and
5. Take the most unexpected song from #4 and make it an opener
6. Pick songs based on difficulty level, despite the fact that you have Richard the Good Luck who can play anything including solos and already did that with songs like 5:15 a.m. and the first part of Telegraph Road
7. Have a dedicated percussion player in the band, but give the cowbell to flutist
8. Play half of the show while sitting, despite the fact that in 2010 you played the whole show while sitting and nobody has complained
Bonus tracks:
1. Throw away a 15-minutes song that a lot of people wants to hear and replace it with nothing
2. Change the opener from date to date for no apparent reason
You don't like his touring decisions, I get it, that's fine. So don't pay for it then, don't go.
It is what it is, I just don't get all the griping. Do you think mark is going to come on here and suddenly have an epiphany because of your critique? Hardly likely.
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I think the same 2manyguitars
:thumbsup :)
Yes!
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Just a couple of things:
1) Sometimes I can't believe if is this really a MK's fans forum.
2) Thanks to superval for his words, I'm absolutely agree with him. Nobody should judge about the health and the sensations of a person at a determinate age.
As a conclusion:
- obviously MK isn't in tour for money and he doesn't need to cheat us
- obviously he isn't the same he was, there are 69 reasons to be so.
So, I think he's giving us all that he can. I was in Barcelona and the show was really great, he gives us great surprises (OUATITW, SB, WAM...), surely the execution is not what it was but the set is nice and overall is an excellent farewell.
And finishing, I think we could be more generous and thank to the man who put our life's soundtracks, and simply enjoy and say him goodbye.
This is only my opinion about what should be a fan's forum in our circumstances.
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TR is gone and ?
It has been played during quite all MK solo tour.
Everyone is asking change in setlist, but when there is a change, there are complains. TR gone is not a problem as we have the chance this tour to have some new things (OUATITW, Silvertown, MFN is back, HFOH, YLT...). I'm happy to have so many changes in setlist for the last tour. Previous tours were very similar (Marbeltown 15mn, Block SAN, TR, BIA, SFA .....). So i will enjoy the show tonight in Bordeaux as the one from Barcelona.
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TR is gone and ?
It has been played during quite all MK solo tour.
Everyone is asking change in setlist, but when there is a change, there are complains. TR gone is not a problem as we have the chance this tour to have some new things (OUATITW, Silvertown, MFN is back, HFOH, YLT...). I'm happy to have so many changes in setlist for the last tour. Previous tours were very similar (Marbeltown 15mn, Block SAN, TR, BIA, SFA .....). So i will enjoy the show tonight in Bordeaux as the one from Barcelona.
Have a nice one! Today the start is already 19.30?
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Someone on Guy's forum says the running of the bulls was prohibited yesterday. Wonder what that's all about and if it's permanent.
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Yez, with opening act ! So MK should be at 8:30pm i think.
TR is gone and ?
It has been played during quite all MK solo tour.
Everyone is asking change in setlist, but when there is a change, there are complains. TR gone is not a problem as we have the chance this tour to have some new things (OUATITW, Silvertown, MFN is back, HFOH, YLT...). I'm happy to have so many changes in setlist for the last tour. Previous tours were very similar (Marbeltown 15mn, Block SAN, TR, BIA, SFA .....). So i will enjoy the show tonight in Bordeaux as the one from Barcelona.
Have a nice one! Today the start is already 19.30?
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Just reading through all of the comments about last night's show. I'm sorry that TR has disappeared again from the set, but not surprised at all. If MK feels he is not doing justice to the song, then it is best it is dropped, at least for a few shows anyway. Who knows, maybe it will return somewhere.
Regarding MK's age - 70 in a few weeks time. Most of those complaining on this forum are around 30 years younger than he is and don't have a clue about what could be ahead of them in the future. I am probably one of the oldest on this forum and a few years older than MK, so I know what I'm talking about. I know my fingers are not what they used to be, for example! This is his final tour and I have already said that he may have taken on too much with such a long tour, but the fact that he is doing this tour for the fans is to be applauded and I intend to take in every note and enjoy every minute - I will probably shed a few tears too! Thank you MK! :clap
Superb words, Superval...I'm like you in that tears will no doubt appear...
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With WAM back it's a really good setlist despite TR being dropped so let's hope it was just temporarily. But I'm afraid it could be permanent, why else drop one of the most certain songs in the average setlist....
Well, he did in the US during the Tracker tour also. Maybe he was starting to having issues already then. Was that when he started shaking his hands a lot?
I'm don't blame him for dropping anything, for health or artistic reason, whatever the case may be, but in my opinion he fails to compensate accordingly.
He did shake them in Europe too.
I was in Uppsala and it was not the warmest weather, as he also said about the "Cold hand version" of SOS 8)
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Just a couple of things:
1) Sometimes I can't believe if is this really a MK's fans forum.
2) Thanks to superval for his words, I'm absolutely agree with him. Nobody should judge about the health and the sensations of a person at a determinate age.
As a conclusion:
- obviously MK isn't in tour for money and he doesn't need to cheat us
- obviously he isn't the same he was, there are 69 reasons to be so.
So, I think he's giving us all that he can. I was in Barcelona and the show was really great, he gives us great surprises (OUATITW, SB, WAM...), surely the execution is not what it was but the set is nice and overall is an excellent farewell.
And finishing, I think we could be more generous and thank to the man who put our life's soundtracks, and simply enjoy and say him goodbye.
This is only my opinion about what should be a fan's forum in our circumstances.
At times, I do wonder too especially with the negativity that seems to fly around...
Let's just enjoy MK 'Live' while we can....
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Pamplona:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3iJXmEnbTI
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Pamplona:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3iJXmEnbTI
Thanks Superval99, very nice version :wave
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Yes, I liked it too. Maybe he will play it in Leeds. :think
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Yes, I liked it too. Maybe he will play it in Leeds. :think
Fingers crossed, you never know....
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Yes, I liked it too. Maybe he will play it in Leeds. :think
Fingers crossed, you never know....
No, we certainly don't know at all, at the moment WAM/TR is a MK lottery :lol
In a month when we can make some actual stats which songs have been performed most we might have a clue which ones were actually dropped...
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I still amazes me that there are always people who, instead of give their opinion and respect the opinion of the rest, believe that are entitled to say to who has a different opinion that they are right and the rest are wrong.
You people, are boring and irritating as hell.
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I still amazes me that there are always people who, instead of give their opinion and respect the opinion of the rest, believe that are entitled to say to who has a different opinion that they are right and the rest are wrong.
You people, are boring and irritating as hell.
:think
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Someone on Guy's forum says the running of the bulls was prohibited yesterday. Wonder what that's all about and if it's permanent.
Running of the bulls in Pamplona. I wonder why it was prohibited :think. It's usually not ;D ;D ;D
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Someone on Guy's forum says the running of the bulls was prohibited yesterday. Wonder what that's all about and if it's permanent.
Running of the bulls in Pamplona. I wonder why it was prohibited :think. It's usually not ;D ;D ;D
Someone from the band had a red shirt?
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I also think I wouldn't have a problem with TR being dropped if he didn't play it at all from the beginning of this tour.
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Someone on Guy's forum says the running of the bulls was prohibited yesterday. Wonder what that's all about and if it's permanent.
Running of the bulls in Pamplona. I wonder why it was prohibited :think. It's usually not ;D ;D ;D
From Guy's forum:
Q: Hi doc, Yesterday in Pamplona’ was banned the running of the bulls. Security guys said it was Mark’s decision. Is that true? Thanks
Guy: NO. That’s complete nonsense. We love you guys coming down the front and security are briefed on this at every show. I’m sorry they got it wrong.
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Someone on Guy's forum says the running of the bulls was prohibited yesterday. Wonder what that's all about and if it's permanent.
Running of the bulls in Pamplona. I wonder why it was prohibited :think. It's usually not ;D ;D ;D
From Guy's forum:
Q: Hi doc, Yesterday in Pamplona’ was banned the running of the bulls. Security guys said it was Mark’s decision. Is that true? Thanks
Guy: NO. That’s complete nonsense. We love you guys coming down the front and security are briefed on this at every show. I’m sorry they got it wrong.
You didn't get the Pamplona reference now did you ;D
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Someone on Guy's forum says the running of the bulls was prohibited yesterday. Wonder what that's all about and if it's permanent.
Running of the bulls in Pamplona. I wonder why it was prohibited :think. It's usually not ;D ;D ;D
From Guy's forum:
Q: Hi doc, Yesterday in Pamplona’ was banned the running of the bulls. Security guys said it was Mark’s decision. Is that true? Thanks
Guy: NO. That’s complete nonsense. We love you guys coming down the front and security are briefed on this at every show. I’m sorry they got it wrong.
You didn't get the Pamplona reference now did you ;D
LOL! Of course I did! :lol
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There may be no formula for writing songs like Mark, but if you want to do tours like Mark, do the following:
1. You and me Richard, Good Luck
2. Pick songs with long outros to let the musicians jam along some sort of vamp for as long as possible
3. Pick songs you already rehearsed for previous tours, but which got rejected for some reason
4. From the new album take songs which literally nobody expects to hear live and
5. Take the most unexpected song from #4 and make it an opener
6. Pick songs based on difficulty level, despite the fact that you have Richard the Good Luck who can play anything including solos and already did that with songs like 5:15 a.m. and the first part of Telegraph Road
7. Have a dedicated percussion player in the band, but give the cowbell to flutist
8. Play half of the show while sitting, despite the fact that in 2010 you played the whole show while sitting and nobody has complained
Bonus tracks:
1. Throw away a 15-minutes song that a lot of people wants to hear and replace it with nothing
2. Change the opener from date to date for no apparent reason
You don't like his touring decisions, I get it, that's fine. So don't pay for it then, don't go.
It is what it is, I just don't get all the griping. Do you think mark is going to come on here and suddenly have an epiphany because of your critique? Hardly likely.
I think you only criticise when you care, perhaps too much. I know I do. I don't want to see Mark go around the world performing shows that don't showcase how he can play. I don't want this to be the legacy he leaves. If he cannot perform a "proper" show I would have rather he had taken on a few shows on a UK tour or perhaps not toured at all - there's no shame in that. I've forgiven him so many things, so many songs being dropped or stripped down but now there's nothing left to the shows.
It's not just a case of don't go when you've been listening since you were at primary school, collecting every available bootleg, going to umpteen shows since DS days - it's been a huge part of my life. Just don't go? This is what I don't think Mark gets. There is no option for me (and many others) about whether I'm going or not and yet he just doesn't care.
I stand by my comment that fans are being short changed if some are getting longer shows than others and hearing TR while others aren't, while others will be subject to airport curfews and whatever that will bring to their show. Whether that is down to bad planning and PCM or not is really irrelevant because it's been happening tour after tour and Mark doesn't mind.
@Quizzy: Love that list!
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There may be no formula for writing songs like Mark, but if you want to do tours like Mark, do the following:
1. You and me Richard, Good Luck
2. Pick songs with long outros to let the musicians jam along some sort of vamp for as long as possible
3. Pick songs you already rehearsed for previous tours, but which got rejected for some reason
4. From the new album take songs which literally nobody expects to hear live and
5. Take the most unexpected song from #4 and make it an opener
6. Pick songs based on difficulty level, despite the fact that you have Richard the Good Luck who can play anything including solos and already did that with songs like 5:15 a.m. and the first part of Telegraph Road
7. Have a dedicated percussion player in the band, but give the cowbell to flutist
8. Play half of the show while sitting, despite the fact that in 2010 you played the whole show while sitting and nobody has complained
Bonus tracks:
1. Throw away a 15-minutes song that a lot of people wants to hear and replace it with nothing
2. Change the opener from date to date for no apparent reason
You don't like his touring decisions, I get it, that's fine. So don't pay for it then, don't go.
It is what it is, I just don't get all the griping. Do you think mark is going to come on here and suddenly have an epiphany because of your critique? Hardly likely.
I think you only criticise when you care, perhaps too much. I know I do. I don't want to see Mark go around the world performing shows that don't showcase how he can play. I don't want this to be the legacy he leaves. If he cannot perform a "proper" show I would have rather he had taken on a few shows on a UK tour or perhaps not toured at all - there's no shame in that. I've forgiven him so many things, so many songs being dropped or stripped down but now there's nothing left to the shows.
It's not just a case of don't go when you've been listening since you were at primary school, collecting every available bootleg, going to umpteen shows since DS days - it's been a huge part of my life. Just don't go? This is what I don't think Mark gets. There is no option for me (and many others) about whether I'm going or not and yet he just doesn't care.
I stand by my comment that fans are being short changed if some are getting longer shows than others and hearing TR while others aren't, while others will be subject to airport curfews and whatever that will bring to their show. Whether that is down to bad planning and PCM or not is really irrelevant because it's been happening tour after tour and Mark doesn't mind.
@Quizzy: Love that list!
I agree. At least be fair to all fans on all different venues, have an average setlist of 16? And not 14 like some had last tour... Do they remember FAIR Admission? They should start Fair Setlist Admission 8)
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There may be no formula for writing songs like Mark, but if you want to do tours like Mark, do the following:
1. You and me Richard, Good Luck
2. Pick songs with long outros to let the musicians jam along some sort of vamp for as long as possible
3. Pick songs you already rehearsed for previous tours, but which got rejected for some reason
4. From the new album take songs which literally nobody expects to hear live and
5. Take the most unexpected song from #4 and make it an opener
6. Pick songs based on difficulty level, despite the fact that you have Richard the Good Luck who can play anything including solos and already did that with songs like 5:15 a.m. and the first part of Telegraph Road
7. Have a dedicated percussion player in the band, but give the cowbell to flutist
8. Play half of the show while sitting, despite the fact that in 2010 you played the whole show while sitting and nobody has complained
Bonus tracks:
1. Throw away a 15-minutes song that a lot of people wants to hear and replace it with nothing
2. Change the opener from date to date for no apparent reason
You don't like his touring decisions, I get it, that's fine. So don't pay for it then, don't go.
It is what it is, I just don't get all the griping. Do you think mark is going to come on here and suddenly have an epiphany because of your critique? Hardly likely.
I think you only criticise when you care, perhaps too much. I know I do. I don't want to see Mark go around the world performing shows that don't showcase how he can play. I don't want this to be the legacy he leaves. If he cannot perform a "proper" show I would have rather he had taken on a few shows on a UK tour or perhaps not toured at all - there's no shame in that. I've forgiven him so many things, so many songs being dropped or stripped down but now there's nothing left to the shows.
It's not just a case of don't go when you've been listening since you were at primary school, collecting every available bootleg, going to umpteen shows since DS days - it's been a huge part of my life. Just don't go? This is what I don't think Mark gets. There is no option for me (and many others) about whether I'm going or not and yet he just doesn't care.
I stand by my comment that fans are being short changed if some are getting longer shows than others and hearing TR while others aren't, while others will be subject to airport curfews and whatever that will bring to their show. Whether that is down to bad planning and PCM or not is really irrelevant because it's been happening tour after tour and Mark doesn't mind.
@Quizzy: Love that list!
I agree. At least be fair to all fans on all different venues, have an average setlist of 16? And not 14 like some had last tour... Do they remember FAIR Admission? They should start Fair Setlist Admission 8)
Sorry but I really think you're missing the point.
Here we are again, stood behind the maestro, telling him what to paint, how to paint it, what colour to use, and how long to paint for. You may as well go watch DSL!
The false sense of entitlement shown on here is at best unfortunate as the artist owes the fan nothing in terms of creative process.
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There may be no formula for writing songs like Mark, but if you want to do tours like Mark, do the following:
1. You and me Richard, Good Luck
2. Pick songs with long outros to let the musicians jam along some sort of vamp for as long as possible
3. Pick songs you already rehearsed for previous tours, but which got rejected for some reason
4. From the new album take songs which literally nobody expects to hear live and
5. Take the most unexpected song from #4 and make it an opener
6. Pick songs based on difficulty level, despite the fact that you have Richard the Good Luck who can play anything including solos and already did that with songs like 5:15 a.m. and the first part of Telegraph Road
7. Have a dedicated percussion player in the band, but give the cowbell to flutist
8. Play half of the show while sitting, despite the fact that in 2010 you played the whole show while sitting and nobody has complained
Bonus tracks:
1. Throw away a 15-minutes song that a lot of people wants to hear and replace it with nothing
2. Change the opener from date to date for no apparent reason
You don't like his touring decisions, I get it, that's fine. So don't pay for it then, don't go.
It is what it is, I just don't get all the griping. Do you think mark is going to come on here and suddenly have an epiphany because of your critique? Hardly likely.
I think you only criticise when you care, perhaps too much. I know I do. I don't want to see Mark go around the world performing shows that don't showcase how he can play. I don't want this to be the legacy he leaves. If he cannot perform a "proper" show I would have rather he had taken on a few shows on a UK tour or perhaps not toured at all - there's no shame in that. I've forgiven him so many things, so many songs being dropped or stripped down but now there's nothing left to the shows.
It's not just a case of don't go when you've been listening since you were at primary school, collecting every available bootleg, going to umpteen shows since DS days - it's been a huge part of my life. Just don't go? This is what I don't think Mark gets. There is no option for me (and many others) about whether I'm going or not and yet he just doesn't care.
I stand by my comment that fans are being short changed if some are getting longer shows than others and hearing TR while others aren't, while others will be subject to airport curfews and whatever that will bring to their show. Whether that is down to bad planning and PCM or not is really irrelevant because it's been happening tour after tour and Mark doesn't mind.
@Quizzy: Love that list!
I agree. At least be fair to all fans on all different venues, have an average setlist of 16? And not 14 like some had last tour... Do they remember FAIR Admission? They should start Fair Setlist Admission 8)
Sorry but I really think you're missing the point.
Here we are again, stood behind the maestro, telling him what to paint, how to paint it, what colour to use, and how long to paint for. You may as well go watch DSL!
The false sense of entitlement shown on here is at best unfortunate as the artist owes the fan nothing in terms of creative process.
Ok, but at least agree on that having one concert with 18 songs and another with 14 make some fans think it's unfair...
Doesn't matter anyway how much we whine in here, we will have to wait and see what we get from MK lottery :lol
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Criticism is caring, personally I don't care about praise. If something's good everybody know it's good, it's like reviewing a movie Schindler's List, it's like what to review there? It's one of the best movies in the world. With music, though, it's hard to judge, but I've never seen setlist problem being such a problem, with the exception maybe for Bob Dylan, and Mark's been transforming into Bob slowly, but surely lately.
Its not the criticism of any of the actual content that bothers me quizzaciously. Its the attributing of various motives to those decisions as if MK and co are sat seeking to piss us all off and are doing so deliberately when its quite obvious that they are putting their hearts minds and souls into this tour. Its fine to say 'I don't like this, this is not for me'. Its quite another thing to lay accusations of laziness, short changing the fans, etc....
Every tour I always say there's no smoke without fire. Every tour generates lots of harsh words and disappointment, but it's not supposed to. Guy Fletcher isn't supposed to warn people from asking setlist questions as if it's a violation of law, but the sheer amount of unsatisfied people always baffles me.
Human beings in their right minds are always seeking for advantages, benefits and easy routs. Mark isn't going on tour to lose money and health, he's going on tour to make money and stay healthy, nothing wrong with that. The problem is when his abilities and fans desires can't meet. As I said, the demand for Mark's songs is so huge and he delivers so little, so naturally there's tribute bands and "hate" everywhere. It's woe from wit, and it happens because of our love towards MK, not against it. I'd say, after this 85-shows stadium tour Mark will shake his setlist like crazy and everybody will be happy at last on more intimate shows, like Mark himself always wanted it to be. Playing pubs and theatres, huh?
Call it short changing the fans, laziness, but cutting not the longest shows in the world and rushing the shows because of an airport issue before the day-off is not the best behavior either. I once was on a classical guitar recital with one 60-years-old man playing Bach for 4 hours and with 4 intermissions. And I can tell you playing Bach on guitar for an audience of 2.5 thousand people is not playing pentatonic scales on a signature Gibson Les Paul and singing songs while on a luxury trip with your private jet and an orchestra.
I'm sorry but we're just not on the same page on this. So many of those criticisms are suppositions based on what can be seen and inferred from outside the bubble. None of us knows the real reasons, the real stresses that exist behind the scenes and I state categorically that until proven otherwise MK deserves to have his artistic choices respected. Do you honestly think at 69, with millions in the bank that he's on tour for money? Odds are in fact that the tour overall may run at a loss....
As for shortening of the shows can we hold mk personally responsible for the judgement of management, promotors, local venues etc?
Can we not just enjoy this tour for what it is, not what we want it to be? If you want a live dire straits jukebox go see DSL or one of the other many 'poor old fakers'....
If you want a live dire straits jukebox go see DSL ? unfortunately it's no so easy at all, DSL is not DS, MK is DS, anything without MK can't really be DS, let alone DSL that have a lead guitarist who is far worse than many in other cover bands
MK's concerts have always been great to see, but let's be frank, some MK's decisions are extremely controversial, this all started in 1993 with on the night and the phantom songs which I guess we will never hear in our lifetime. that's the most absurd decision in the history of music.
David Gilmour in the last 2 tours, 2006 and 2015-2016, has played basically the whole new album live which is really a great idea.
MK not only doesn't play at least some of the best of the album, but always or almost always choose the ones that no one expects.
Of course we must respect that and of course the show is still great overall, but at the same time it's really controversial and also sad.
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I still amazes me that there are always people who, instead of give their opinion and respect the opinion of the rest, believe that are entitled to say to who has a different opinion that they are right and the rest are wrong.
You people, are boring and irritating as hell.
100% agree
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As a conclusion:
- obviously MK isn't in tour for money and he doesn't need to cheat us
Actually I think the only reason to have such a tough tour at 70 is money, I have no idea why he is not doing a much more relaxed tour.
Gilmour started doing that in 2006 at 60, not 70.
Guy Fletcher once officially said in his forum that MK had the idea of a live DVD from the royal albert hall but dropped it because RAH asked a too high fee. This statement was stunning to me, a musical/artistic decision dropped because of money.
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There may be no formula for writing songs like Mark, but if you want to do tours like Mark, do the following:
1. You and me Richard, Good Luck
2. Pick songs with long outros to let the musicians jam along some sort of vamp for as long as possible
3. Pick songs you already rehearsed for previous tours, but which got rejected for some reason
4. From the new album take songs which literally nobody expects to hear live and
5. Take the most unexpected song from #4 and make it an opener
6. Pick songs based on difficulty level, despite the fact that you have Richard the Good Luck who can play anything including solos and already did that with songs like 5:15 a.m. and the first part of Telegraph Road
7. Have a dedicated percussion player in the band, but give the cowbell to flutist
8. Play half of the show while sitting, despite the fact that in 2010 you played the whole show while sitting and nobody has complained
Bonus tracks:
1. Throw away a 15-minutes song that a lot of people wants to hear and replace it with nothing
2. Change the opener from date to date for no apparent reason
You don't like his touring decisions, I get it, that's fine. So don't pay for it then, don't go.
It is what it is, I just don't get all the griping. Do you think mark is going to come on here and suddenly have an epiphany because of your critique? Hardly likely.
I think you only criticise when you care, perhaps too much. I know I do. I don't want to see Mark go around the world performing shows that don't showcase how he can play. I don't want this to be the legacy he leaves. If he cannot perform a "proper" show I would have rather he had taken on a few shows on a UK tour or perhaps not toured at all - there's no shame in that. I've forgiven him so many things, so many songs being dropped or stripped down but now there's nothing left to the shows.
It's not just a case of don't go when you've been listening since you were at primary school, collecting every available bootleg, going to umpteen shows since DS days - it's been a huge part of my life. Just don't go? This is what I don't think Mark gets. There is no option for me (and many others) about whether I'm going or not and yet he just doesn't care.
I stand by my comment that fans are being short changed if some are getting longer shows than others and hearing TR while others aren't, while others will be subject to airport curfews and whatever that will bring to their show. Whether that is down to bad planning and PCM or not is really irrelevant because it's been happening tour after tour and Mark doesn't mind.
@Quizzy: Love that list!
I agree. At least be fair to all fans on all different venues, have an average setlist of 16? And not 14 like some had last tour... Do they remember FAIR Admission? They should start Fair Setlist Admission 8)
Sorry but I really think you're missing the point.
Here we are again, stood behind the maestro, telling him what to paint, how to paint it, what colour to use, and how long to paint for. You may as well go watch DSL!
The false sense of entitlement shown on here is at best unfortunate as the artist owes the fan nothing in terms of creative process.
I think you are missing one of my points by suggesting I see DSL if you don't mind me saying so. :)
I take point with people saying he owes us nothing. It is the fan buying his records and concert tickets over the years that allows him his own recording studio, fancy guitars, equipment and ability to make the records he makes today. We buy the tickets for this tour and we should have a setlist with at least some expectations. I don't think it's too much to ask. I would rather he didn't tour at all than leave this as his final set because it's very sad for me personally.
No offence but I don't find the painter analogy realistic.
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I agree with dmg
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I agree with dmg
So do I. He knows what he's talking about!
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The artist owes the fan nothing in terms of creative process
Absolutely, but the show isn't as much about creating something, but rather about organising and directing something. You take the right group of people, you take the good setlist (haha), you play great venues and with the right audience it works 100%. When I went to Paul McCartney's show in 2011, nobody, and I mean—nobody has complained about the setlist, because it was a great tribute to Paul's legacy (with him actually paying to perform his own songs) and mixture of some new tunes and almost 40 songs in total. Imagine the variety!
Mark has a reputation of bringing extremely long songs on tour. WAM, Romeo — 10 minutes, Telegraph Road — 15 minutes and so on. With songs that long, the setlist is expected to contain carefully selected and rehearsed songs, with every new addition feeling like New Year, and sure enough it's so refreshing to hear different songs. Mark has the shortest setlist in history with the longest songs in history and this is to me the key too all the problems...
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Mark Knopfler, David Gilmour, Paul McCartney, etc. Comparisons ... The road to nowhere ... Each artist is different and sees his concert differently. The basic question is: does the artist give concerts to satisfy yourselves or the audience... :think
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http://guyfletcher.co.uk/5th-may-2019-pamplona/
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Not sure how to interpret this answer on Guy's forum:
By: vr46mk
Categories: Tour
May 5, 2019
Why do you skip Telegraph Road, one of the songs fans want to hear the most… SLQ or not, at least think about this.. very important song for most of us.
Good luck in France!
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We do
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My Bacon Roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqvHg29bJi8
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Not sure how to interpret this answer on Guy's forum:
By: vr46mk
Categories: Tour
May 5, 2019
Why do you skip Telegraph Road, one of the songs fans want to hear the most… SLQ or not, at least think about this.. very important song for most of us.
Good luck in France!
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We do
We do (think about it) :)
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Mark Knopfler, David Gilmour, Paul McCartney, etc. Comparisons ... The road to nowhere ... Each artist is different and sees his concert differently. The basic question is: does the artist give concerts to satisfy themselves or the audience... :think
It's both... To me it's funny that Mark always brings a group of not the best musicians, but a group of outstanding musicians and force them to play same songs for 20 odd years. They can play absolutely anything from Olé, Olé, Olé to Giant Steps, but Mark chooses to play Done With Bonaparte again (for instance).
It's also funny how he always name the tour after the album (it doesn't have to be that way, somebody please say to Mark the tour isn't always have to be associated with the album and contain 100 shows). He calls it New-Album-Tour and plays 2-3 of most unexpected songs from that album! What kind of marketing is that?
Anyway, if it's all right with you, then yes, we're all crazy and can't really complain about anything. Everything's all right.
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Not sure how to interpret this answer on Guy's forum:
By: vr46mk
Categories: Tour
May 5, 2019
Why do you skip Telegraph Road, one of the songs fans want to hear the most… SLQ or not, at least think about this.. very important song for most of us.
Good luck in France!
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We do
We do (think about it) :)
That is also how I read it :). Maybe they are really talking and still deciding what to do. Still fingers crossed, hopefully it will be back ;D.
Lets hope he did mean it in a way like: Yeah we do think about it... its out! :lol :think
With WAM back and if TR would come back, I would be very, very happy with this setlist! :thumbsup
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Not sure how to interpret this answer on Guy's forum:
By: vr46mk
Categories: Tour
May 5, 2019
Why do you skip Telegraph Road, one of the songs fans want to hear the most… SLQ or not, at least think about this.. very important song for most of us.
Good luck in France!
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We do
We do (think about it) :)
That is also how I read it :). Maybe they are really talking and still deciding what to do. Still fingers crossed, hopefully it will be back ;D.
Lets hope he did mean it in a way like: Yeah we do think about it... its out! :lol :think
With WAM back and if TR would come back, I would be very, very happy with this setlist! :thumbsup
Agree 101% ::)
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There may be no formula for writing songs like Mark, but if you want to do tours like Mark, do the following:
1. You and me Richard, Good Luck
2. Pick songs with long outros to let the musicians jam along some sort of vamp for as long as possible
3. Pick songs you already rehearsed for previous tours, but which got rejected for some reason
4. From the new album take songs which literally nobody expects to hear live and
5. Take the most unexpected song from #4 and make it an opener
6. Pick songs based on difficulty level, despite the fact that you have Richard the Good Luck who can play anything including solos and already did that with songs like 5:15 a.m. and the first part of Telegraph Road
7. Have a dedicated percussion player in the band, but give the cowbell to flutist
8. Play half of the show while sitting, despite the fact that in 2010 you played the whole show while sitting and nobody has complained
Bonus tracks:
1. Throw away a 15-minutes song that a lot of people wants to hear and replace it with nothing
2. Change the opener from date to date for no apparent reason
You don't like his touring decisions, I get it, that's fine. So don't pay for it then, don't go.
It is what it is, I just don't get all the griping. Do you think mark is going to come on here and suddenly have an epiphany because of your critique? Hardly likely.
I think you only criticise when you care, perhaps too much. I know I do. I don't want to see Mark go around the world performing shows that don't showcase how he can play. I don't want this to be the legacy he leaves. If he cannot perform a "proper" show I would have rather he had taken on a few shows on a UK tour or perhaps not toured at all - there's no shame in that. I've forgiven him so many things, so many songs being dropped or stripped down but now there's nothing left to the shows.
It's not just a case of don't go when you've been listening since you were at primary school, collecting every available bootleg, going to umpteen shows since DS days - it's been a huge part of my life. Just don't go? This is what I don't think Mark gets. There is no option for me (and many others) about whether I'm going or not and yet he just doesn't care.
I stand by my comment that fans are being short changed if some are getting longer shows than others and hearing TR while others aren't, while others will be subject to airport curfews and whatever that will bring to their show. Whether that is down to bad planning and PCM or not is really irrelevant because it's been happening tour after tour and Mark doesn't mind.
@Quizzy: Love that list!
I agree. At least be fair to all fans on all different venues, have an average setlist of 16? And not 14 like some had last tour... Do they remember FAIR Admission? They should start Fair Setlist Admission 8)
Sorry but I really think you're missing the point.
Here we are again, stood behind the maestro, telling him what to paint, how to paint it, what colour to use, and how long to paint for. You may as well go watch DSL!
The false sense of entitlement shown on here is at best unfortunate as the artist owes the fan nothing in terms of creative process.
I think you are missing one of my points by suggesting I see DSL if you don't mind me saying so. :)
I take point with people saying he owes us nothing. It is the fan buying his records and concert tickets over the years that allows him his own recording studio, fancy guitars, equipment and ability to make the records he makes today. We buy the tickets for this tour and we should have a setlist with at least some expectations. I don't think it's too much to ask. I would rather he didn't tour at all than leave this as his final set because it's very sad for me personally.
No offence but I don't find the painter analogy realistic.
:smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack
MOVING ON.........
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I understand "We do" to mean "We do know it's an important song for the fans, and we do take this into consideration when it is necessary to leave it out".
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My Bacon Roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqvHg29bJi8
Thanks Val. This is sounding really good live, can't wait to hear it on my official download. What about that gorgeous blue Pensa? the look and sound is wonderful.
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I agree with dmg
So do I. He knows what he's talking about!
Sometimes... :lol
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Have just arrived home after the Pamplona Show
Best MK concert i have been (seen only 2013-2015 and yesterday)
They did not played TR (my personal favourite, must say) and you know what?
I didn´t missed TR at all because it was an incredible show. I was just well feed. I had enough with the 2.10h show, with MK in great form (despite his physical struggles), some surprises: Heart Full of Holes (one of my all time favs, not only by MK, but also in general "I think i´ll retire..."), Silvertown (we have been praying for that for 18 years), On Every Street (just incredible. I´m not embarrassed to say that i was very emotional), a reborn WHY AYE MAN (incredible way to start, with 9 mins of music that sum up the MK musical concept, the "transatlantic blues", Sailing ( it´s back! one of the key songs of the solo career), ONCE UPON A TIME (When all we were assuming that MK is not able to bring any surpriese... WHAM! a wet dream come true), Lastest Trick (yes, studio version is better, but live is algo great. And audience response is great because is a song that means much to lots of people. Many memories by now...), Matchstick Man (plain incredible... The best thing that nowadays-MK can give to us) , MFN (proving that he still can blow up amps again, melting the concrete walls of the arena with the thickier tone that he has in his weapondry. He used to could, but... Still can rock and blow off the ceiling!) and of course Going Home (that one must be OBLIGATORY by law in all his shows). This is the best band MK has had, playing their butts off, with lost of energy and passion. This time, the Macs (folkies) had not all the time in the sun they had last tours, but in that way, show was more eclectic: Celtic, jazz, blues, funk (Stevie Wonder Superstition meets JJ Cale), rock (truly!), band-moments, shining solo parts, shiny MK solo parts, roots music, eighties hits, solo classics, solo new ones, hidden gems, MK in a very good mood (physically was very tired), but he talked a lot between songs and really put a effort to lead the ship.
I see that there is lot of frustration in AMIT because the absence of certain songs. My advice: It´s not worthy to get anger and blame for these things. At this time of the life it is not necesary. Things looks different from the heat of the moment. It is not the same to enter in setlist fm and see the list than living it "inside your flesh". Into the arena (no Schenker pun intended) you see the whole thing from a different perspective: That´s when you really realize that MK puts a lots of effort nowadays and he gave us a lot yesterday, but also is giving a lot this tour and he also has been giving a lot during the last 42 years...
My advice: Don´t waste your illusion in a blind rage because a song that already had his lifetime conpleted (sad but true, we have to recognise it and make up our minds. The circle is now completed). Telegraph Road (1983-2015) has arrived to the end of the river. You must put your feet on the ground and be realistic. To be honest, since 2008-2010, every MK album, show, tour, OST, musical... has been a gift. A gift for all the fans. We must gather all we can while we still can.
in order to sum up, if you are hesitating about attending to a 2019 MK show, i reccomend you to go. Just go. Don´t feel insecure or bitter about the lack of the 15th song (there´s still 16-17 songs to hear) Just go. Don´t let bitter domine you. Just go. Won´t be dissapointed.
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Thank you, enrkaton82 for your lovely review. I can hardly wait for my three concerts and I know I won't be disappointed, but perhaps a bit sad that it 's the end of an era! :)
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Thank you, enrkaton82 for your lovely review. I can hardly wait for my three concerts and I know I won't be disappointed, but perhaps a bit sad that it 's the end of an era! :)
Thank you for reading! I guess that my coments must be a little "cringe" sometimes because while MK struggles with the Sultans last solo, i struggle with the words :lol Anyway, thank you for your kind words and thank you all for keeping this thing alive (and well living)
About the "end of an era" topic, i know that i´ts difficult to make up the mind. I have lived it with the retirement of many of my all time fav artists (much older than MK). Obviously, on the beginning it is difficult to handle, but later, you stop thinking about JJ Cale / Jack Bruce / Lonnie Mack in terms of "the man who walks, eat and sleep, the person who play music, put records in the market, announce upcoming tours and is part of your daily news feed" and you start seeing Gregg Allman / Bobby Bland / UFO as "the legacy, the music that has been recorded during many years and has been given to us as a gift".
I hope the retirement of MK would come much later than we would desire. But anyway, is the music that matters, and at the end of the day, the road goes forever :)
Enjoy your upcoming shows. Greetings.
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Watching Bacon Roll now. Although I am sure (= it might be) that OSAAT is too personal for him to perform, also Bacon Roll seems to be personal for Mark. During the end solo he seems to be almost crying. Am I right?
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I agree with dmg
So do I. He knows what he's talking about!
Sometimes... :lol
Don't believe him. Most of the time he just opens his mouth and lets his belly rumble. ;D
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There may be no formula for writing songs like Mark, but if you want to do tours like Mark, do the following:
1. You and me Richard, Good Luck
2. Pick songs with long outros to let the musicians jam along some sort of vamp for as long as possible
3. Pick songs you already rehearsed for previous tours, but which got rejected for some reason
4. From the new album take songs which literally nobody expects to hear live and
5. Take the most unexpected song from #4 and make it an opener
6. Pick songs based on difficulty level, despite the fact that you have Richard the Good Luck who can play anything including solos and already did that with songs like 5:15 a.m. and the first part of Telegraph Road
7. Have a dedicated percussion player in the band, but give the cowbell to flutist
8. Play half of the show while sitting, despite the fact that in 2010 you played the whole show while sitting and nobody has complained
Bonus tracks:
1. Throw away a 15-minutes song that a lot of people wants to hear and replace it with nothing
2. Change the opener from date to date for no apparent reason
You don't like his touring decisions, I get it, that's fine. So don't pay for it then, don't go.
It is what it is, I just don't get all the griping. Do you think mark is going to come on here and suddenly have an epiphany because of your critique? Hardly likely.
I think you only criticise when you care, perhaps too much. I know I do. I don't want to see Mark go around the world performing shows that don't showcase how he can play. I don't want this to be the legacy he leaves. If he cannot perform a "proper" show I would have rather he had taken on a few shows on a UK tour or perhaps not toured at all - there's no shame in that. I've forgiven him so many things, so many songs being dropped or stripped down but now there's nothing left to the shows.
It's not just a case of don't go when you've been listening since you were at primary school, collecting every available bootleg, going to umpteen shows since DS days - it's been a huge part of my life. Just don't go? This is what I don't think Mark gets. There is no option for me (and many others) about whether I'm going or not and yet he just doesn't care.
I stand by my comment that fans are being short changed if some are getting longer shows than others and hearing TR while others aren't, while others will be subject to airport curfews and whatever that will bring to their show. Whether that is down to bad planning and PCM or not is really irrelevant because it's been happening tour after tour and Mark doesn't mind.
@Quizzy: Love that list!
I agree. At least be fair to all fans on all different venues, have an average setlist of 16? And not 14 like some had last tour... Do they remember FAIR Admission? They should start Fair Setlist Admission 8)
Sorry but I really think you're missing the point.
Here we are again, stood behind the maestro, telling him what to paint, how to paint it, what colour to use, and how long to paint for. You may as well go watch DSL!
The false sense of entitlement shown on here is at best unfortunate as the artist owes the fan nothing in terms of creative process.
I think you are missing one of my points by suggesting I see DSL if you don't mind me saying so. :)
I take point with people saying he owes us nothing. It is the fan buying his records and concert tickets over the years that allows him his own recording studio, fancy guitars, equipment and ability to make the records he makes today. We buy the tickets for this tour and we should have a setlist with at least some expectations. I don't think it's too much to ask. I would rather he didn't tour at all than leave this as his final set because it's very sad for me personally.
No offence but I don't find the painter analogy realistic.
Mark is an artist, plain and simple. No artist should ever allow themselves to be driven by what others want, the analogy is as simple as that.
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Watching Bacon Roll now. Although I am sure (= it might be) that OSAAT is too personal for him to perform, also Bacon Roll seems to be personal for Mark. During the end solo he seems to be almost crying. Am I right?
Yes.
He remembers how his bacon roll ended in the wrong table and had to order a tostie instead.
A very painful memory.
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Watching Bacon Roll now. Although I am sure (= it might be) that OSAAT is too personal for him to perform, also Bacon Roll seems to be personal for Mark. During the end solo he seems to be almost crying. Am I right?
Yes.
He remembers how his bacon toll ended in the wrong table and had to order a tostie instead.
A very painful memory.
Ok.
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Have just arrived home after the Pamplona Show
Best MK concert i have been (seen only 2013-2015 and yesterday)
They did not played TR (my personal favourite, must say) and you know what?
I didn´t missed TR at all because it was an incredible show. I was just well feed. I had enough with the 2.10h show, with MK in great form (despite his physical struggles), some surprises: Heart Full of Holes (one of my all time favs, not only by MK, but also in general "I think i´ll retire..."), Silvertown (we have been praying for that for 18 years), On Every Street (just incredible. I´m not embarrassed to say that i was very emotional), a reborn WHY AYE MAN (incredible way to start, with 9 mins of music that sum up the MK musical concept, the "transatlantic blues", Sailing ( it´s back! one of the key songs of the solo career), ONCE UPON A TIME (When all we were assuming that MK is not able to bring any surpriese... WHAM! a wet dream come true), Lastest Trick (yes, studio version is better, but live is algo great. And audience response is great because is a song that means much to lots of people. Many memories by now...), Matchstick Man (plain incredible... The best thing that nowadays-MK can give to us) , MFN (proving that he still can blow up amps again, melting the concrete walls of the arena with the thickier tone that he has in his weapondry. He used to could, but... Still can rock and blow off the ceiling!) and of course Going Home (that one must be OBLIGATORY by law in all his shows). This is the best band MK has had, playing their butts off, with lost of energy and passion. This time, the Macs (folkies) had not all the time in the sun they had last tours, but in that way, show was more eclectic: Celtic, jazz, blues, funk (Stevie Wonder Superstition meets JJ Cale), rock (truly!), band-moments, shining solo parts, shiny MK solo parts, roots music, eighties hits, solo classics, solo new ones, hidden gems, MK in a very good mood (physically was very tired), but he talked a lot between songs and really put a effort to lead the ship.
I see that there is lot of frustration in AMIT because the absence of certain songs. My advice: It´s not worthy to get anger and blame for these things. At this time of the life it is not necesary. Things looks different from the heat of the moment. It is not the same to enter in setlist fm and see the list than living it "inside your flesh". Into the arena (no Schenker pun intended) you see the whole thing from a different perspective: That´s when you really realize that MK puts a lots of effort nowadays and he gave us a lot yesterday, but also is giving a lot this tour and he also has been giving a lot during the last 42 years...
My advice: Don´t waste your illusion in a blind rage because a song that already had his lifetime conpleted (sad but true, we have to recognise it and make up our minds. The circle is now completed). Telegraph Road (1983-2015) has arrived to the end of the river. You must put your feet on the ground and be realistic. To be honest, since 2008-2010, every MK album, show, tour, OST, musical... has been a gift. A gift for all the fans. We must gather all we can while we still can.
in order to sum up, if you are hesitating about attending to a 2019 MK show, i reccomend you to go. Just go. Don´t feel insecure or bitter about the lack of the 15th song (there´s still 16-17 songs to hear) Just go. Don´t let bitter domine you. Just go. Won´t be
You are so right and speaking out of my mind. I hat the same feeling in Barcelona. It was awesome. (Ok tr was played, but that was Not my highlight. ) I dont regret any single paid € for this trip/show. Some days after the show I had still a smile in face. Which I hadnt had from my previous 10+ shows I have attended since 2001.
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Have just arrived home after the Pamplona Show
Best MK concert i have been (seen only 2013-2015 and yesterday)
They did not played TR (my personal favourite, must say) and you know what?
I didn´t missed TR at all because it was an incredible show. I was just well feed. I had enough with the 2.10h show, with MK in great form (despite his physical struggles), some surprises: Heart Full of Holes (one of my all time favs, not only by MK, but also in general "I think i´ll retire..."), Silvertown (we have been praying for that for 18 years), On Every Street (just incredible. I´m not embarrassed to say that i was very emotional), a reborn WHY AYE MAN (incredible way to start, with 9 mins of music that sum up the MK musical concept, the "transatlantic blues", Sailing ( it´s back! one of the key songs of the solo career), ONCE UPON A TIME (When all we were assuming that MK is not able to bring any surpriese... WHAM! a wet dream come true), Lastest Trick (yes, studio version is better, but live is algo great. And audience response is great because is a song that means much to lots of people. Many memories by now...), Matchstick Man (plain incredible... The best thing that nowadays-MK can give to us) , MFN (proving that he still can blow up amps again, melting the concrete walls of the arena with the thickier tone that he has in his weapondry. He used to could, but... Still can rock and blow off the ceiling!) and of course Going Home (that one must be OBLIGATORY by law in all his shows). This is the best band MK has had, playing their butts off, with lost of energy and passion. This time, the Macs (folkies) had not all the time in the sun they had last tours, but in that way, show was more eclectic: Celtic, jazz, blues, funk (Stevie Wonder Superstition meets JJ Cale), rock (truly!), band-moments, shining solo parts, shiny MK solo parts, roots music, eighties hits, solo classics, solo new ones, hidden gems, MK in a very good mood (physically was very tired), but he talked a lot between songs and really put a effort to lead the ship.
I see that there is lot of frustration in AMIT because the absence of certain songs. My advice: It´s not worthy to get anger and blame for these things. At this time of the life it is not necesary. Things looks different from the heat of the moment. It is not the same to enter in setlist fm and see the list than living it "inside your flesh". Into the arena (no Schenker pun intended) you see the whole thing from a different perspective: That´s when you really realize that MK puts a lots of effort nowadays and he gave us a lot yesterday, but also is giving a lot this tour and he also has been giving a lot during the last 42 years...
My advice: Don´t waste your illusion in a blind rage because a song that already had his lifetime conpleted (sad but true, we have to recognise it and make up our minds. The circle is now completed). Telegraph Road (1983-2015) has arrived to the end of the river. You must put your feet on the ground and be realistic. To be honest, since 2008-2010, every MK album, show, tour, OST, musical... has been a gift. A gift for all the fans. We must gather all we can while we still can.
in order to sum up, if you are hesitating about attending to a 2019 MK show, i reccomend you to go. Just go. Don´t feel insecure or bitter about the lack of the 15th song (there´s still 16-17 songs to hear) Just go. Don´t let bitter domine you. Just go. Won´t be
You are so right and speaking out of my mind. I hat the same feeling in Barcelona. It was awesome. (Ok tr was played, but that was Not my highlight. ) I dont regret any single paid € for this trip/show. Some days after the show I had still a smile in face. Which I hadnt had from my previous 10+ shows I have attended since 2001.
Glad to see you enjoyed the Barcelona show. There was lots of expectation in that one but i think MK fullfilled them.
While i read this thread i am remembering the Pamplona one in a similar way. It was just 24 hours ago (yesterday, at this time they were playing Bacon roll or Matchstick), but i remember all "blurry" (to say something). I remember it in the way that we remember dreams. I remember the running order, the songs, the details, the words, all the little things of the performance. But still can´t assume that i were here. I see myself floating over my seat. And now, i´m also experimenting a special mix of happiness and peace.
Same with the 2013 show i attended, a little low-profile, to be honest (typical 2013 MK show of the late tour, with only 15 songs, no speedway, no sultans, no BIA, but Haul Away, Dug up a Diamond and slow-paced numbers). However, it was my first one and it make it special. I also went with my father (it was his first "big" concert ever) Very special memories to me. I think that attending with my father to my first MK concert will be one of the strongest memories that i will carry throught all my lifetime (specially in the future, when my father won´t be here anymore)
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Have just arrived home after the Pamplona Show
Best MK concert i have been (seen only 2013-2015 and yesterday)
They did not played TR (my personal favourite, must say) and you know what?
I didn´t missed TR at all because it was an incredible show. I was just well feed. I had enough with the 2.10h show, with MK in great form (despite his physical struggles), some surprises: Heart Full of Holes (one of my all time favs, not only by MK, but also in general "I think i´ll retire..."), Silvertown (we have been praying for that for 18 years), On Every Street (just incredible. I´m not embarrassed to say that i was very emotional), a reborn WHY AYE MAN (incredible way to start, with 9 mins of music that sum up the MK musical concept, the "transatlantic blues", Sailing ( it´s back! one of the key songs of the solo career), ONCE UPON A TIME (When all we were assuming that MK is not able to bring any surpriese... WHAM! a wet dream come true), Lastest Trick (yes, studio version is better, but live is algo great. And audience response is great because is a song that means much to lots of people. Many memories by now...), Matchstick Man (plain incredible... The best thing that nowadays-MK can give to us) , MFN (proving that he still can blow up amps again, melting the concrete walls of the arena with the thickier tone that he has in his weapondry. He used to could, but... Still can rock and blow off the ceiling!) and of course Going Home (that one must be OBLIGATORY by law in all his shows). This is the best band MK has had, playing their butts off, with lost of energy and passion. This time, the Macs (folkies) had not all the time in the sun they had last tours, but in that way, show was more eclectic: Celtic, jazz, blues, funk (Stevie Wonder Superstition meets JJ Cale), rock (truly!), band-moments, shining solo parts, shiny MK solo parts, roots music, eighties hits, solo classics, solo new ones, hidden gems, MK in a very good mood (physically was very tired), but he talked a lot between songs and really put a effort to lead the ship.
I see that there is lot of frustration in AMIT because the absence of certain songs. My advice: It´s not worthy to get anger and blame for these things. At this time of the life it is not necesary. Things looks different from the heat of the moment. It is not the same to enter in setlist fm and see the list than living it "inside your flesh". Into the arena (no Schenker pun intended) you see the whole thing from a different perspective: That´s when you really realize that MK puts a lots of effort nowadays and he gave us a lot yesterday, but also is giving a lot this tour and he also has been giving a lot during the last 42 years...
My advice: Don´t waste your illusion in a blind rage because a song that already had his lifetime conpleted (sad but true, we have to recognise it and make up our minds. The circle is now completed). Telegraph Road (1983-2015) has arrived to the end of the river. You must put your feet on the ground and be realistic. To be honest, since 2008-2010, every MK album, show, tour, OST, musical... has been a gift. A gift for all the fans. We must gather all we can while we still can.
in order to sum up, if you are hesitating about attending to a 2019 MK show, i reccomend you to go. Just go. Don´t feel insecure or bitter about the lack of the 15th song (there´s still 16-17 songs to hear) Just go. Don´t let bitter domine you. Just go. Won´t be
You are so right and speaking out of my mind. I hat the same feeling in Barcelona. It was awesome. (Ok tr was played, but that was Not my highlight. ) I dont regret any single paid € for this trip/show. Some days after the show I had still a smile in face. Which I hadnt had from my previous 10+ shows I have attended since 2001.
Glad to see you enjoyed the Barcelona show. There was lots of expectation in that one but i think MK fullfilled them.
While i read this thread i am remembering the Pamplona one in a similar way. It was just 24 hours ago (yesterday, at this time they were playing Bacon roll or Matchstick), but i remember all "blurry" (to say something). I remember it in the way that we remember dreams. I remember the running order, the songs, the details, the words, all the little things of the performance. But still can´t assume that i were here. I see myself floating over my seat. And now, i´m also experimenting a special mix of happiness and peace.
Same with the 2013 show i attended, a little low-profile, to be honest (typical 2013 MK show of the late tour, with only 15 songs, no speedway, no sultans, no BIA, but Haul Away, Dug up a Diamond and slow-paced numbers). However, it was my first one and it make it special. I also went with my father (it was his first "big" concert ever) Very special memories to me. I think that attending with my father to my first MK concert will be one of the strongest memories that i will carry throught all my lifetime (specially in the future, when my father won´t be here anymore)
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Have just arrived home after the Pamplona Show
Best MK concert i have been (seen only 2013-2015 and yesterday)
They did not played TR (my personal favourite, must say) and you know what?
I didn´t missed TR at all because it was an incredible show. I was just well feed. I had enough with the 2.10h show, with MK in great form (despite his physical struggles), some surprises: Heart Full of Holes (one of my all time favs, not only by MK, but also in general "I think i´ll retire..."), Silvertown (we have been praying for that for 18 years), On Every Street (just incredible. I´m not embarrassed to say that i was very emotional), a reborn WHY AYE MAN (incredible way to start, with 9 mins of music that sum up the MK musical concept, the "transatlantic blues", Sailing ( it´s back! one of the key songs of the solo career), ONCE UPON A TIME (When all we were assuming that MK is not able to bring any surpriese... WHAM! a wet dream come true), Lastest Trick (yes, studio version is better, but live is algo great. And audience response is great because is a song that means much to lots of people. Many memories by now...), Matchstick Man (plain incredible... The best thing that nowadays-MK can give to us) , MFN (proving that he still can blow up amps again, melting the concrete walls of the arena with the thickier tone that he has in his weapondry. He used to could, but... Still can rock and blow off the ceiling!) and of course Going Home (that one must be OBLIGATORY by law in all his shows). This is the best band MK has had, playing their butts off, with lost of energy and passion. This time, the Macs (folkies) had not all the time in the sun they had last tours, but in that way, show was more eclectic: Celtic, jazz, blues, funk (Stevie Wonder Superstition meets JJ Cale), rock (truly!), band-moments, shining solo parts, shiny MK solo parts, roots music, eighties hits, solo classics, solo new ones, hidden gems, MK in a very good mood (physically was very tired), but he talked a lot between songs and really put a effort to lead the ship.
I see that there is lot of frustration in AMIT because the absence of certain songs. My advice: It´s not worthy to get anger and blame for these things. At this time of the life it is not necesary. Things looks different from the heat of the moment. It is not the same to enter in setlist fm and see the list than living it "inside your flesh". Into the arena (no Schenker pun intended) you see the whole thing from a different perspective: That´s when you really realize that MK puts a lots of effort nowadays and he gave us a lot yesterday, but also is giving a lot this tour and he also has been giving a lot during the last 42 years...
My advice: Don´t waste your illusion in a blind rage because a song that already had his lifetime conpleted (sad but true, we have to recognise it and make up our minds. The circle is now completed). Telegraph Road (1983-2015) has arrived to the end of the river. You must put your feet on the ground and be realistic. To be honest, since 2008-2010, every MK album, show, tour, OST, musical... has been a gift. A gift for all the fans. We must gather all we can while we still can.
in order to sum up, if you are hesitating about attending to a 2019 MK show, i reccomend you to go. Just go. Don´t feel insecure or bitter about the lack of the 15th song (there´s still 16-17 songs to hear) Just go. Don´t let bitter domine you. Just go. Won´t be
You are so right and speaking out of my mind. I hat the same feeling in Barcelona. It was awesome. (Ok tr was played, but that was Not my highlight. ) I dont regret any single paid € for this trip/show. Some days after the show I had still a smile in face. Which I hadnt had from my previous 10+ shows I have attended since 2001.
Glad to see you enjoyed the Barcelona show. There was lots of expectation in that one but i think MK fullfilled them.
While i read this thread i am remembering the Pamplona one in a similar way. It was just 24 hours ago (yesterday, at this time they were playing Bacon roll or Matchstick), but i remember all "blurry" (to say something). I remember it in the way that we remember dreams. I remember the running order, the songs, the details, the words, all the little things of the performance. But still can´t assume that i were here. I see myself floating over my seat. And now, i´m also experimenting a special mix of happiness and peace.
Same with the 2013 show i attended, a little low-profile, to be honest (typical 2013 MK show of the late tour, with only 15 songs, no speedway, no sultans, no BIA, but Haul Away, Dug up a Diamond and slow-paced numbers). However, it was my first one and it make it special. I also went with my father (it was his first "big" concert ever) Very special memories to me. I think that attending with my father to my first MK concert will be one of the strongest memories that i will carry throught all my lifetime (specially in the future, when my father won´t be here anymore)
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Have just arrived home after the Pamplona Show
Best MK concert i have been (seen only 2013-2015 and yesterday)
They did not played TR (my personal favourite, must say) and you know what?
I didn´t missed TR at all because it was an incredible show. I was just well feed. I had enough with the 2.10h show, with MK in great form (despite his physical struggles), some surprises: Heart Full of Holes (one of my all time favs, not only by MK, but also in general "I think i´ll retire..."), Silvertown (we have been praying for that for 18 years), On Every Street (just incredible. I´m not embarrassed to say that i was very emotional), a reborn WHY AYE MAN (incredible way to start, with 9 mins of music that sum up the MK musical concept, the "transatlantic blues", Sailing ( it´s back! one of the key songs of the solo career), ONCE UPON A TIME (When all we were assuming that MK is not able to bring any surpriese... WHAM! a wet dream come true), Lastest Trick (yes, studio version is better, but live is algo great. And audience response is great because is a song that means much to lots of people. Many memories by now...), Matchstick Man (plain incredible... The best thing that nowadays-MK can give to us) , MFN (proving that he still can blow up amps again, melting the concrete walls of the arena with the thickier tone that he has in his weapondry. He used to could, but... Still can rock and blow off the ceiling!) and of course Going Home (that one must be OBLIGATORY by law in all his shows). This is the best band MK has had, playing their butts off, with lost of energy and passion. This time, the Macs (folkies) had not all the time in the sun they had last tours, but in that way, show was more eclectic: Celtic, jazz, blues, funk (Stevie Wonder Superstition meets JJ Cale), rock (truly!), band-moments, shining solo parts, shiny MK solo parts, roots music, eighties hits, solo classics, solo new ones, hidden gems, MK in a very good mood (physically was very tired), but he talked a lot between songs and really put a effort to lead the ship.
I see that there is lot of frustration in AMIT because the absence of certain songs. My advice: It´s not worthy to get anger and blame for these things. At this time of the life it is not necesary. Things looks different from the heat of the moment. It is not the same to enter in setlist fm and see the list than living it "inside your flesh". Into the arena (no Schenker pun intended) you see the whole thing from a different perspective: That´s when you really realize that MK puts a lots of effort nowadays and he gave us a lot yesterday, but also is giving a lot this tour and he also has been giving a lot during the last 42 years...
My advice: Don´t waste your illusion in a blind rage because a song that already had his lifetime conpleted (sad but true, we have to recognise it and make up our minds. The circle is now completed). Telegraph Road (1983-2015) has arrived to the end of the river. You must put your feet on the ground and be realistic. To be honest, since 2008-2010, every MK album, show, tour, OST, musical... has been a gift. A gift for all the fans. We must gather all we can while we still can.
in order to sum up, if you are hesitating about attending to a 2019 MK show, i reccomend you to go. Just go. Don´t feel insecure or bitter about the lack of the 15th song (there´s still 16-17 songs to hear) Just go. Don´t let bitter domine you. Just go. Won´t be
You are so right and speaking out of my mind. I hat the same feeling in Barcelona. It was awesome. (Ok tr was played, but that was Not my highlight. ) I dont regret any single paid € for this trip/show. Some days after the show I had still a smile in face. Which I hadnt had from my previous 10+ shows I have attended since 2001.
Glad to see you enjoyed the Barcelona show. There was lots of expectation in that one but i think MK fullfilled them.
While i read this thread i am remembering the Pamplona one in a similar way. It was just 24 hours ago (yesterday, at this time they were playing Bacon roll or Matchstick), but i remember all "blurry" (to say something). I remember it in the way that we remember dreams. I remember the running order, the songs, the details, the words, all the little things of the performance. But still can´t assume that i were here. I see myself floating over my seat. And now, i´m also experimenting a special mix of happiness and peace.
Same with the 2013 show i attended, a little low-profile, to be honest (typical 2013 MK show of the late tour, with only 15 songs, no speedway, no sultans, no BIA, but Haul Away, Dug up a Diamond and slow-paced numbers). However, it was my first one and it make it special. I also went with my father (it was his first "big" concert ever) Very special memories to me. I think that attending with my father to my first MK concert will be one of the strongest memories that i will carry throught all my lifetime (specially in the future, when my father won´t be here anymore)
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Have just arrived home after the Pamplona Show
Best MK concert i have been (seen only 2013-2015 and yesterday)
They did not played TR (my personal favourite, must say) and you know what?
I didn´t missed TR at all because it was an incredible show. I was just well feed. I had enough with the 2.10h show, with MK in great form (despite his physical struggles), some surprises: Heart Full of Holes (one of my all time favs, not only by MK, but also in general "I think i´ll retire..."), Silvertown (we have been praying for that for 18 years), On Every Street (just incredible. I´m not embarrassed to say that i was very emotional), a reborn WHY AYE MAN (incredible way to start, with 9 mins of music that sum up the MK musical concept, the "transatlantic blues", Sailing ( it´s back! one of the key songs of the solo career), ONCE UPON A TIME (When all we were assuming that MK is not able to bring any surpriese... WHAM! a wet dream come true), Lastest Trick (yes, studio version is better, but live is algo great. And audience response is great because is a song that means much to lots of people. Many memories by now...), Matchstick Man (plain incredible... The best thing that nowadays-MK can give to us) , MFN (proving that he still can blow up amps again, melting the concrete walls of the arena with the thickier tone that he has in his weapondry. He used to could, but... Still can rock and blow off the ceiling!) and of course Going Home (that one must be OBLIGATORY by law in all his shows). This is the best band MK has had, playing their butts off, with lost of energy and passion. This time, the Macs (folkies) had not all the time in the sun they had last tours, but in that way, show was more eclectic: Celtic, jazz, blues, funk (Stevie Wonder Superstition meets JJ Cale), rock (truly!), band-moments, shining solo parts, shiny MK solo parts, roots music, eighties hits, solo classics, solo new ones, hidden gems, MK in a very good mood (physically was very tired), but he talked a lot between songs and really put a effort to lead the ship.
I see that there is lot of frustration in AMIT because the absence of certain songs. My advice: It´s not worthy to get anger and blame for these things. At this time of the life it is not necesary. Things looks different from the heat of the moment. It is not the same to enter in setlist fm and see the list than living it "inside your flesh". Into the arena (no Schenker pun intended) you see the whole thing from a different perspective: That´s when you really realize that MK puts a lots of effort nowadays and he gave us a lot yesterday, but also is giving a lot this tour and he also has been giving a lot during the last 42 years...
My advice: Don´t waste your illusion in a blind rage because a song that already had his lifetime conpleted (sad but true, we have to recognise it and make up our minds. The circle is now completed). Telegraph Road (1983-2015) has arrived to the end of the river. You must put your feet on the ground and be realistic. To be honest, since 2008-2010, every MK album, show, tour, OST, musical... has been a gift. A gift for all the fans. We must gather all we can while we still can.
in order to sum up, if you are hesitating about attending to a 2019 MK show, i reccomend you to go. Just go. Don´t feel insecure or bitter about the lack of the 15th song (there´s still 16-17 songs to hear) Just go. Don´t let bitter domine you. Just go. Won´t be
You are so right and speaking out of my mind. I hat the same feeling in Barcelona. It was awesome. (Ok tr was played, but that was Not my highlight. ) I dont regret any single paid € for this trip/show. Some days after the show I had still a smile in face. Which I hadnt had from my previous 10+ shows I have attended since 2001.
Glad to see you enjoyed the Barcelona show. There was lots of expectation in that one but i think MK fullfilled them.
While i read this thread i am remembering the Pamplona one in a similar way. It was just 24 hours ago (yesterday, at this time they were playing Bacon roll or Matchstick), but i remember all "blurry" (to say something). I remember it in the way that we remember dreams. I remember the running order, the songs, the details, the words, all the little things of the performance. But still can´t assume that i were here. I see myself floating over my seat. And now, i´m also experimenting a special mix of happiness and peace.
Same with the 2013 show i attended, a little low-profile, to be honest (typical 2013 MK show of the late tour, with only 15 songs, no speedway, no sultans, no BIA, but Haul Away, Dug up a Diamond and slow-paced numbers). However, it was my first one and it make it special. I also went with my father (it was his first "big" concert ever) Very special memories to me. I think that attending with my father to my first MK concert will be one of the strongest memories that i will carry throught all my lifetime (specially in the future, when my father won´t be here anymore)
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