A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2019 Down The Road Wherever EU & NA tour => Topic started by: dvschend on April 27, 2019, 01:48:56 PM
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I've recognised these guitars to be used so far on this tour right?
Gibson Mark Knopfler 1958 Les Paul
Pensa MK 90
Danelectro 59 DC Standard
Fender Stratocaster Mark Knopfler Signature Edition
Beard Deco Phonic 37
Sobell Martin Simpson (thx to Border_revier)
National Style "O" '33
Beltano Electro Resonator (thx to Jbaent)
Pensa MK2 Plus (thx to Pensaghost)
Don Grosh Electrajet
National Style "O" '37
Fender 1954 vintage "Jurrasic" Stratocaster
Am I missing something?
(https://reviewnl.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/tour-guitars-1.jpg)
Edit: replaced the pic with the right Pensa, the Beltano and the Sobell Martin Simpson :smack
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There's this unidentified one. Seems unused yet so another song should appear in the set before long (fingers crossed).
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Pensa MK2 Plus : not that one, the one used on TR is a SSS configuration
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Pensa MK2, not plus (the picture is even more wrong with a suhr..)
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Thanks for the input :smack
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Pensa MK2, not plus (the picture is even more wrong with a suhr..)
Plus tremolo arm!
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I’m really curious about his amp setup this tour!
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There's this unidentified one. Seems unused yet so another song should appear in the set before long (fingers crossed).
That one (Rickenbacker) is also on the Litho this year.
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Is that other Pensa correct?
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There's this unidentified one. Seems unused yet so another song should appear in the set before long (fingers crossed).
That one (Rickenbacker) is also on the Litho this year.
Thought so. He must be using it on a new song he hasn't played yet. :thumbsup :thumbsup
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I'm also having doubts on the Martin acoustic one, by the way ???
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I’m really curious about his amp setup this tour!
I think they use something like Kemper Profiling amps, because you cannot see any amp nor cabinets for amps. I can recall guy telling that they used modern techniques in the ken bruce show and that he couldn't tell us exactly what it is because it is part of the touring rig (or something like that).
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Pensa MK2, not plus (the picture is even more wrong with a suhr..)
Plus tremolo arm!
it's the MK2 from 1996
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Is that other Pensa correct?
yes
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Pensa MK2, not plus (the picture is even more wrong with a suhr..)
Plus tremolo arm!
it's the MK2 from 1996
Yes, but Mark had it removed, didn't he.
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Also, is it his '58 he's using? I thought he might take a reissue on tour.
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There's this unidentified one. Seems unused yet so another song should appear in the set before long (fingers crossed).
This looks like a 360 to me, but I'm not sure :hmm
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There's this unidentified one. Seems unused yet so another song should appear in the set before long (fingers crossed).
This looks like a 360 to me, but I'm not sure :hmm
Rickenbacker 360 BBR (readable on my Litho picture)
There is another 'new' guitar on the Litho, a burns double six from 2006.
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There's this unidentified one. Seems unused yet so another song should appear in the set before long (fingers crossed).
This looks like a 360 to me, but I'm not sure :hmm
Rickenbacker 360 BBR (readable on my Litho picture)
Thanks, I'm not crazy after all ;D ;D
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But the real question is, for which song will he use it? ;)
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He plays a beltona resonator guitar in "heart full of holes"
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What's that acoustic guitar on "Matchstick Man"?
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He plays a beltona resonator guitar in "heart full of holes"
Thx, missed that one.
I'm surprised he uses the Beard this time in stead of that iconic National Style "O" '37
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What's that acoustic guitar on "Matchstick Man"?
I thought it was the Martin but not sure :think
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I don't think so - because it looks more modern and as far as I can see has not the slotted headstock - but maybe I'm wrong.
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I think it's the Froggy Bottom he used for Get Lucky in the studio.
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I don't think so - because it looks more modern and as far as I can see has not the slotted headstock - but maybe I'm wrong.
You're right it's not the Martin :(
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I think it's the Froggy Bottom he used for Get Lucky in the studio.
That would be the Froggy Bottom H-14 DLX ? Without the scratchplate
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I’m really curious about his amp setup this tour!
I think they use something like Kemper Profiling amps, because you cannot see any amp nor cabinets for amps. I can recall guy telling that they used modern techniques in the ken bruce show and that he couldn't tell us exactly what it is because it is part of the touring rig (or something like that).
It is a possibility but they also can be hidden as it was the case for the OES tour.
I have a little difficulty with the idea that Mark would not use genuine valve amps on stage.
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I think it's the Froggy Bottom he used for Get Lucky in the studio.
That would be the Froggy Bottom H-14 DLX ? Without the scratchplate
Maybe, but the one Mark has is custom made so I don't know if there is any product number e.g.
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I think it's the Froggy Bottom he used for Get Lucky in the studio.
That would be the Froggy Bottom H-14 DLX ? Without the scratchplate
Maybe, but the one Mark has is custom made so I don't know if there is any product number e.g.
Well it is a Froggy Bottom hence the headstock. I think the customisation for Mark is the removal of the scratchplate and maybe the electronics are different. Modelwise the H14-DLX resembles it the most so I've put it in the opening post till someone says otherwise ;D ;)
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In my opinion the acoustic is MK's Stefan Sobell guitar.
(http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/MK_guitars_stefansobellMSModel.jpg)
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In my opinion the acoustic is MK's Stefan Sobell guitar.
(http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/MK_guitars_stefansobellMSModel.jpg)
:think hmmm that could be it
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I know it is ;)
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That's the one yeah!
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So we are complete now, for now that is. Thx to all for the input. I will try to update this during the tour when new guitars emerge :D
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In my opinion the acoustic is MK's Stefan Sobell guitar.
(http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/MK_guitars_stefansobellMSModel.jpg)
Thanks, this is the right one, you can notice the unusual bridge.
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I also think he used a Les Paul 59. See pic from Why Aye Man
Edit: pic is misleading i think, it looks the same Les Paul on all Gibson songs
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I also think he used a Les Paul 59. See pic from Why Aye Man
Edit: pic is misleading i think, it looks the same Les Paul on all Gibson songs
I thought so too on GH that it was a different Gibson. I really can't tell the difference between a 58 and 59 in a stagelit enviroment. The 59 is more red like in this pic but it could be the red lighting as well. So far now I'm going for the 58 ;D
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I have a feeling the LP is one of his 58 re-issue (the ones who replicate his original 58). Either prototype or one from the range
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I'm surprised he uses the Beard this time in stead of that iconic National Style "O" '37
I'm suprised too. Think it is because the National is a bit too heavy now for him and would wear him down if he used it on many songs every evening during this tour. It's not a succes if you ask me. The beard doesn't sit good in the mix. The national sound more in the foreground because of it's brightness, while the Beard you sometimes can hardly hear.
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I'm surprised he uses the Beard this time in stead of that iconic National Style "O" '37
I'm suprised too. Think it is because the National is a bit too heavy now for him and would wear him down if he used it on many songs every evening during this tour. It's not a succes if you ask me. The beard doesn't sit good in the mix. The national sound more in the foreground because of it's brightness, while the Beard you sometimes can hardly hear.
Do you mean the weight of the instrument or the playability? I think that it is more about playability. But then again, wouldn´t it be okay with lighter strings?
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Do you mean the weight of the instrument or the playability? I think that it is more about playability. But then again, wouldn´t it be okay with lighter strings?
I ment actually the weight of the instrument itself, but playability could also be the reason. Or maybe both.
Anyway, don't think a better and different sound could be the reason.
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Do you mean the weight of the instrument or the playability? I think that it is more about playability. But then again, wouldn´t it be okay with lighter strings?
I ment actually the weight of the instrument itself, but playability could also be the reason. Or maybe both.
Anyway, don't think a better and different sound could be the reason.
I agree - now the sound is very thin.
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Do you mean the weight of the instrument or the playability? I think that it is more about playability. But then again, wouldn´t it be okay with lighter strings?
I ment actually the weight of the instrument itself, but playability could also be the reason. Or maybe both.
Anyway, don't think a better and different sound could be the reason.
I agree - now the sound it very thin.
I think we're all in agreement with this one! The National is one of his iconic guitars, starring on his most famous album cover and concert goers don't get to see it now. Sad really because people had some sort of relationship with it I feel. As soon as the light went on and reflected off it when he played the opening noted from R&J the crowd went mad. It looked like a glitter ball during the song and sounded fantastic. This new thing sounds just plain dull.
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Do you mean the weight of the instrument or the playability? I think that it is more about playability. But then again, wouldn´t it be okay with lighter strings?
I ment actually the weight of the instrument itself, but playability could also be the reason. Or maybe both.
Anyway, don't think a better and different sound could be the reason.
I agree - now the sound it very thin.
I think we're all in agreement with this one! The National is one of his iconic guitars, starring on his most famous album cover and concert goers don't get to see it now. Sad really because people had some sort of relationship with it I feel. As soon as the light went on and reflected off it when he played the opening noted from R&J the crowd went mad. It looked like a glitter ball during the song and sounded fantastic. This new thing sounds just plain dull.
So R.I.P.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7285/8740167797_b065d8e6e2_b.jpg)
Maybe i will have to cut this list of guitars to the end of the tour, cause at this rate he's cutting more songs towards the end and probably will play the last show just 3 songs on the blue pensa ;D ;D ;D
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Do you mean the weight of the instrument or the playability? I think that it is more about playability. But then again, wouldn´t it be okay with lighter strings?
I ment actually the weight of the instrument itself, but playability could also be the reason. Or maybe both.
Anyway, don't think a better and different sound could be the reason.
I agree - now the sound it very thin.
I think we're all in agreement with this one! The National is one of his iconic guitars, starring on his most famous album cover and concert goers don't get to see it now. Sad really because people had some sort of relationship with it I feel. As soon as the light went on and reflected off it when he played the opening noted from R&J the crowd went mad. It looked like a glitter ball during the song and sounded fantastic. This new thing sounds just plain dull.
Yes, I am in full agreement too. I can hardly hear the guitar on R&J and it is (was) one of my favourite songs. Shame! ::) Please MK, bring back the National!!
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If it's a weight issue there is a simple carbon fibre answer: unleash the Steinberger!
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He's switched to the National Style "O" '37 for HFOH yesterday. He must be reading this topic ;D
Added it to the opening post :lol
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He's switched to the National Style "O" '37 for HFOH yesterday. He must be reading this topic ;D
Added it to the opening post :lol
Don't tink so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17WxyfScMA8
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He's switched to the National Style "O" '37 for HFOH yesterday. He must be reading this topic ;D
Added it to the opening post :lol
Don't tink so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17WxyfScMA8
It's a beltona he was given as a gift from his band at the end of the golden heart tour.
He played it mostly with the nhb. First time he uses it in his solo tours
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It's a beltona he was given as a gift from his band at the end of the golden heart tour.
Cool! Hadn't heard that before.
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He's switched to the National Style "O" '37 for HFOH yesterday. He must be reading this topic ;D
Added it to the opening post :lol
Don't tink so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17WxyfScMA8
Regarding the tuning, is his guitar tuned a half-step up so Open G at capo 8 becomes E-major? He must be doing that for sound or playability reasons, right? Makes no sense to use both a capo and tune a half-step up for just playing in the right key?
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Ah sorry did'nt see the video. Saw someone mentioning the National somewehere. Provide better info people :smack. Back to the old then.
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Ah sorry did'nt see the video. Saw someone mentioning the National somewehere. Provide better info people :smack. Back to the old then.
Yes, it was me in the Bordeaux thread. Sorry, it looked like the National to me! :smack
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He's switched to the National Style "O" '37 for HFOH yesterday. He must be reading this topic ;D
Added it to the opening post :lol
Don't tink so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17WxyfScMA8
It's a beltona he was given as a gift from his band at the end of the golden heart tour.
He played it mostly with the nhb. First time he uses it in his solo tours
Is it custom made by the way? Cause all the other Beltona Electro's with a cutaway I've seen seem to have a different body holes
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Ah sorry did'nt see the video. Saw someone mentioning the National somewehere. Provide better info people :smack. Back to the old then.
Yes, it was me in the Bordeaux thread. Sorry, it looked like the National to me! :smack
You are forgiven. If it was Game of Thrones you'd be without a head by the way ;D ;D
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Ah sorry did'nt see the video. Saw someone mentioning the National somewehere. Provide better info people :smack. Back to the old then.
Yes, it was me in the Bordeaux thread. Sorry, it looked like the National to me! :smack
You are forgiven. If it was Game of Thrones you'd be without a head by the way ;D ;D
:o :)
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Regarding the tuning, is his guitar tuned a half-step up so Open G at capo 8 becomes E-major? He must be doing that for sound or playability reasons, right? Makes no sense to use both a capo and tune a half-step up for just playing in the right key?
These things have quite heavy strings and are more difficult to play even if not tuned up. At least that's my experience with resonators.
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I can confirm it, 100% sure;
RB and MK are sounding through KEMPER Profile Amp on their racks. They have 2 Kemper each.
I could saw them last friday in A Coruña, during production set up.
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I can confirm it, 100% sure;
RB and MK are sounding through KEMPER Profile Amp on their racks. They have 2 Kemper each.
I could saw them last friday in A Coruña, during production set up.
Wow, didn't expect that, MK is quite fond of expensive tube-amps, I know he likes new tech as well but this is quite a change.
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It would very great thing know what amps were used to make their profiles on MK's Kemper amp.
Who knows...? :think
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Mark is not listed on the Kemper artist page on their website.
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I know it but trust me.
I was in A Coruña venue last friday morning during production set up.
I could see the RB and MK racks, loaded with Kemper profile amp. I took some pictures but i cannot share it, by now.
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I also think he used a Les Paul 59. See pic from Why Aye Man
Edit: pic is misleading i think, it looks the same Les Paul on all Gibson songs
The guitar on your picture is not the '58 : the strap isn't the same and the neck pickup is inverted.
(https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6846.0;attach=3426;image)
This is the 58 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItYxDazheo8
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Maybe it's just me but I can't see the characteristic repair on the '58.
Couldn't it be one of the Signature reissues?
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I also think he used a Les Paul 59. See pic from Why Aye Man
Edit: pic is misleading i think, it looks the same Les Paul on all Gibson songs
The guitar on your picture is not the '58 : the strap isn't the same and the neck pickup is inverted.
(https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6846.0;attach=3426;image)
This is the 58 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItYxDazheo8
I have never noticed the reversed PU on the 59. Does anyone know why they did that?
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I have never noticed the reversed PU on the 59. Does anyone know why they did that?
personal taste
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I'm just looking at the racks. They are defnitly Kemper.
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So I have figured it out. Yesterday finally saw the show with my own eyes. He uses the 59 LP on WAM, MFN, BIA and GH. On OUATITW it's a 58 reissue
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Kemper is confirmed by Guy
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I'm so happy for Mark using Kemper amps. Modelling amps are ridiculously good these days, even the cheap ones. Let alone the Kemper rack!
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I'm so happy for Mark using Kemper amps. Modelling amps are ridiculously good these days, even the cheap ones. Let alone the Kemper rack!
I am not, first time for the last 30 years I have not heard a 10/10 sound on distorted sounds, absurd decision imo
" Some have guessed correctly, we are using Kemper profiling amps. Mark’s long-serving guitar tech, Glenn Saggers along with Mark (when he wasn’t in Edinburgh with me preparing the Local Hero musical) has devoted much of his time in the past 6 months to recreating Mark’s unique sounds has done an amazing job. This switch from ‘real’ amps to digital devices is not for the feint-hearted and it wasn’t without it’s doubters. Now we are up and running and more than two weeks into the tour, we are all on board with them. They certainly allow for incredible separation in both in-ear monitors and front of house system. The sounds are amazingly responsive and malleable."
http://guyfletcher.co.uk/13th-may-2019-cologne/
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I'm so happy for Mark using Kemper amps. Modelling amps are ridiculously good these days, even the cheap ones. Let alone the Kemper rack!
I am not, first time for the last 30 years I have not heard a 10/10 sound on distorted sounds, absurd decision imo
" Some have guessed correctly, we are using Kemper profiling amps. Mark’s long-serving guitar tech, Glenn Saggers along with Mark (when he wasn’t in Edinburgh with me preparing the Local Hero musical) has devoted much of his time in the past 6 months to recreating Mark’s unique sounds has done an amazing job. This switch from ‘real’ amps to digital devices is not for the feint-hearted and it wasn’t without it’s doubters. Now we are up and running and more than two weeks into the tour, we are all on board with them. They certainly allow for incredible separation in both in-ear monitors and front of house system. The sounds are amazingly responsive and malleable."
http://guyfletcher.co.uk/13th-may-2019-cologne/
If you don't like the distorted sounds - maybe it's the quality of the videos on YT or (if you've already attended a concert) the mixing or sound quality in general?
Normally the Kemper amps are able to create really astonishing 1:1 images of the "real deal". Maybe they didn't get the modelling right? Maybe the new sound is different and just not your taste?
I've been testing modelling amps and software for a long time now and I'm quite impressed by the improvements in sound quality.
The reason I always came back to tube amps wasn't the sound quality anyway, but the feeling while playing - a hardly noticeable latency and a weird feeling to be not really "connected" to the amp, for want of other words.
But the audience - especially in a environment that is not ideal - will hardly notice any difference, even experienced guitar players.
But that's just my opinion.
I think if you don't like the sound it's because it is different - and not inferior.
For example I never really liked the "new" sound MK got from his signature strat and the amps he used from 2005 on.
Too scratchy and raw for me - I prefer the Schecter Strat and the other amps. But the Komet amps or the likes are of course great amps.
Tomorrow I'll be going to the Berlin concert and I will listen very carefully - althogh the last tours the sound qulity in this venue was always so bad that I honestly wouldn't have noticed if he'd played via a decent amp or a crappy one...
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I'm so happy for Mark using Kemper amps. Modelling amps are ridiculously good these days, even the cheap ones. Let alone the Kemper rack!
I am not, first time for the last 30 years I have not heard a 10/10 sound on distorted sounds, absurd decision imo
" Some have guessed correctly, we are using Kemper profiling amps. Mark’s long-serving guitar tech, Glenn Saggers along with Mark (when he wasn’t in Edinburgh with me preparing the Local Hero musical) has devoted much of his time in the past 6 months to recreating Mark’s unique sounds has done an amazing job. This switch from ‘real’ amps to digital devices is not for the feint-hearted and it wasn’t without it’s doubters. Now we are up and running and more than two weeks into the tour, we are all on board with them. They certainly allow for incredible separation in both in-ear monitors and front of house system. The sounds are amazingly responsive and malleable."
http://guyfletcher.co.uk/13th-may-2019-cologne/
If you don't like the distorted sounds - maybe it's the quality of the videos on YT or (if you've already attended a concert) the mixing or sound quality in general?
Normally the Kemper amps are able to create really astonishing 1:1 images of the "real deal". Maybe they didn't get the modelling right? Maybe the new sound is different and just not your taste?
I've been testing modelling amps and software for a long time now and I'm quite impressed by the improvements in sound quality.
The reason I always came back to tube amps wasn't the sound quality anyway, but the feeling while playing - a hardly noticeable latency and a weird feeling to be not really "connected" to the amp, for want of other words.
But the audience - especially in a environment that is not ideal - will hardly notice any difference, even experienced guitar players.
But that's just my opinion.
I think if you don't like the sound it's because it is different - and not inferior.
For example I never really liked the "new" sound MK got from his signature strat and the amps he used from 2005 on.
Too scratchy and raw for me - I prefer the Schecter Strat and the other amps. But the Komet amps or the likes are of course great amps.
Tomorrow I'll be going to the Berlin concert and I will listen very carefully - althogh the last tours the sound qulity in this venue was always so bad that I honestly wouldn't have noticed if he'd played via a decent amp or a crappy one...
I have been following MK in every tour since 1992, few days ago in Milan I immediately understood there was something wrong on the distorted ones, that is not 10/10 for the first time ever. The sound was ok and very enjoyable but not 10/10 as usual. As you said they made great improvements, but the sound is not perfect as the real thing.
A Kemper is great for anyone who wants to have lots of great amps at 95% their real sound quality at only 2500 euros.
MK needs that ? 101% no
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So I have figured it out. Yesterday finally saw the show with my own eyes. He uses the 59 LP on WAM, MFN, BIA and GH. On OUATITW it's a 58 reissue
WAM is the 59 yes. But the other songs is (as far as I could spot) all his good old 58.
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I'm so happy for Mark using Kemper amps. Modelling amps are ridiculously good these days, even the cheap ones. Let alone the Kemper rack!
I am not, first time for the last 30 years I have not heard a 10/10 sound on distorted sounds, absurd decision imo
" Some have guessed correctly, we are using Kemper profiling amps. Mark’s long-serving guitar tech, Glenn Saggers along with Mark (when he wasn’t in Edinburgh with me preparing the Local Hero musical) has devoted much of his time in the past 6 months to recreating Mark’s unique sounds has done an amazing job. This switch from ‘real’ amps to digital devices is not for the feint-hearted and it wasn’t without it’s doubters. Now we are up and running and more than two weeks into the tour, we are all on board with them. They certainly allow for incredible separation in both in-ear monitors and front of house system. The sounds are amazingly responsive and malleable."
http://guyfletcher.co.uk/13th-may-2019-cologne/
If you don't like the distorted sounds - maybe it's the quality of the videos on YT or (if you've already attended a concert) the mixing or sound quality in general?
Normally the Kemper amps are able to create really astonishing 1:1 images of the "real deal". Maybe they didn't get the modelling right? Maybe the new sound is different and just not your taste?
I've been testing modelling amps and software for a long time now and I'm quite impressed by the improvements in sound quality.
The reason I always came back to tube amps wasn't the sound quality anyway, but the feeling while playing - a hardly noticeable latency and a weird feeling to be not really "connected" to the amp, for want of other words.
But the audience - especially in a environment that is not ideal - will hardly notice any difference, even experienced guitar players.
But that's just my opinion.
I think if you don't like the sound it's because it is different - and not inferior.
For example I never really liked the "new" sound MK got from his signature strat and the amps he used from 2005 on.
Too scratchy and raw for me - I prefer the Schecter Strat and the other amps. But the Komet amps or the likes are of course great amps.
Tomorrow I'll be going to the Berlin concert and I will listen very carefully - althogh the last tours the sound qulity in this venue was always so bad that I honestly wouldn't have noticed if he'd played via a decent amp or a crappy one...
I have been following MK in every tour since 1992, few days ago in Milan I immediately understood there was something wrong on the distorted ones, that is not 10/10 for the first time ever. The sound was ok and very enjoyable but not 10/10 as usual. As you said they made great improvements, but the sound is not perfect as the real thing.
A Kemper is great for anyone who wants to have lots of great amps at 95% their real sound quality at only 2500 euros.
MK needs that ? 101% no
I understand that, there's always a small group of people out there who can spot the difference, but for 95% of people I'm pretty sure everybody would fail blind test audition. I surely would. Like you've said, it's good for the most part. I would fail hearing the difference between Mark's "real" Les Paul and his new Les Paul, as well as his vintage Stratocaster vs. his signature one. I'm too far from all this debate, but I'm happy that Mark keeps changing stuff. New National, new Les Paul, new Strat, new Pensa, new amps, new everything. Except setlist ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm so happy for Mark using Kemper amps. Modelling amps are ridiculously good these days, even the cheap ones. Let alone the Kemper rack!
I am not, first time for the last 30 years I have not heard a 10/10 sound on distorted sounds, absurd decision imo
" Some have guessed correctly, we are using Kemper profiling amps. Mark’s long-serving guitar tech, Glenn Saggers along with Mark (when he wasn’t in Edinburgh with me preparing the Local Hero musical) has devoted much of his time in the past 6 months to recreating Mark’s unique sounds has done an amazing job. This switch from ‘real’ amps to digital devices is not for the feint-hearted and it wasn’t without it’s doubters. Now we are up and running and more than two weeks into the tour, we are all on board with them. They certainly allow for incredible separation in both in-ear monitors and front of house system. The sounds are amazingly responsive and malleable."
http://guyfletcher.co.uk/13th-may-2019-cologne/
If you don't like the distorted sounds - maybe it's the quality of the videos on YT or (if you've already attended a concert) the mixing or sound quality in general?
Normally the Kemper amps are able to create really astonishing 1:1 images of the "real deal". Maybe they didn't get the modelling right? Maybe the new sound is different and just not your taste?
I've been testing modelling amps and software for a long time now and I'm quite impressed by the improvements in sound quality.
The reason I always came back to tube amps wasn't the sound quality anyway, but the feeling while playing - a hardly noticeable latency and a weird feeling to be not really "connected" to the amp, for want of other words.
But the audience - especially in a environment that is not ideal - will hardly notice any difference, even experienced guitar players.
But that's just my opinion.
I think if you don't like the sound it's because it is different - and not inferior.
For example I never really liked the "new" sound MK got from his signature strat and the amps he used from 2005 on.
Too scratchy and raw for me - I prefer the Schecter Strat and the other amps. But the Komet amps or the likes are of course great amps.
Tomorrow I'll be going to the Berlin concert and I will listen very carefully - althogh the last tours the sound qulity in this venue was always so bad that I honestly wouldn't have noticed if he'd played via a decent amp or a crappy one...
I have been following MK in every tour since 1992, few days ago in Milan I immediately understood there was something wrong on the distorted ones, that is not 10/10 for the first time ever. The sound was ok and very enjoyable but not 10/10 as usual. As you said they made great improvements, but the sound is not perfect as the real thing.
A Kemper is great for anyone who wants to have lots of great amps at 95% their real sound quality at only 2500 euros.
MK needs that ? 101% no
When I heard that he doesn't use "real" amps anymore on stage I was a little bit worried and had the same thoughts as you do. But after hearing it live I must say it sounds amazing (however I would still prefer the real deal :P ). I think you can also hear which amp they profiled. For instance, WAM with driven Les Paul sounds very komet-like to me ;)
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ya, I noticed a komet style too
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I also think that it is good at this stage in his career he is still trying new things, and doing it for his last big tour. Good on you son.
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So Mark asked Marcus Cliffe about the Kemper since he had one, then Marcus told MK not to use it cause real amps are better (obviously I add) but MK went ahead anyway !! incredible
(https://i.postimg.cc/90Qh67gw/Kemper.jpg)
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I always found it interesting that Mark never got a Dumble amp. Maybe the tone is too smooth for him. Or, who knows, maybe has one, but never uses it?
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I think I should throw my smartphone out and buy this old analogue rotary dial phone. Man, I love this sound, and I love how when you want to dial in a number you need to wait for the rotor to return, making this satisfying sound. Nothing beats old technology, rotary phones is the real deal :lol
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I think I should throw my smartphone out and buy this old analogue rotary dial phone. Man, I love this sound, and I love how when you want to dial in a number you need to wait for the rotor to return, making this satisfying sound. Nothing beats old technology, rotary phones is the real deal :lol
you are probably the only one in the world who thinks a kemper simulation is better than the real thing
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Les Paul observations from RAH:
WAM is a 59 reissue. He has used this on "capo" songs for years, WAM and SFSL. You can tell close up that it looks like new.
58 burst on quite a few things, OUATITW, YLT and others.
MK Les Paul reissue for the encores. Confused me at first as it looks vintage but clearly not the 58. When he turns you can see it doesn't have the gold sticker on the back of the headstock... But it is signed! I found it amusing that he signed his own guitar...
When he held it up at the end you could also see the metal cover behind the switchtip.
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Also, two different MK strats.
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Les Paul observations from RAH:
WAM is a 59 reissue. He has used this on "capo" songs for years, WAM and SFSL. You can tell close up that it looks like new.
58 burst on quite a few things, OUATITW, YLT and others.
MK Les Paul reissue for the encores. Confused me at first as it looks vintage but clearly not the 58. When he turns you can see it doesn't have the gold sticker on the back of the headstock... But it is signed! I found it amusing that he signed his own guitar...
When he held it up at the end you could also see the metal cover behind the switchtip.
Thanks for clearing this up Dusty. :thumbsup
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Also, two different MK strats.
Maybe Glenn's again as per previous tours??
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Also, two different MK strats.
Maybe Glenn's again as per previous tours??
Possible, also possible its 00000 and 00001 that were both last known to still be in his possession.
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Also, two different MK strats.
Maybe Glenn's again as per previous tours??
Possible, also possible its 00000 and 00001 that were both last known to still be in his possession.
Yes indeed....
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The strat without a capo seemed to have a white pickguard. Difficult to be sure with concert lighting. But the one with the capo seemed to have the correct mint green pickguard. Also looked like a bit of figuring in the wood on the headstock.
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The strat without a capo seemed to have a white pickguard. Difficult to be sure with concert lighting. But the one with the capo seemed to have the correct mint green pickguard. Also looked like a bit of figuring in the wood on the headstock.
Interesting stuff.....
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My trouble with Mark's "new" National is that it sounds nothing like National, especially on live recordings. It sounds like acoustic guitar with piezo, and that fact baffles me more than the actual transition to the new guitar. I remember listening to the audio version of Romeo played on the new guitar without video portion and I thought — wow, he decided to play it on regular acoustic! But it turned out to be new guitar.
I get it, it sounds like reso-phonic guitar, but not as much as National and this surprises me. National sounds like banjo and it's a part of the song.
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My trouble with Mark's "new" National is that it sounds nothing like National, especially on live recordings. It sounds like acoustic guitar with piezo, and that fact baffles me more than the actual transition to the new guitar. I remember listening to the audio version of Romeo played on the new guitar without video portion and I thought — wow, he decided to play it on regular acoustic! But it turned out to be new guitar.
I get it, it sounds like reso-phonic guitar, but not as much as National and this surprises me. National sounds like banjo and it's a part of the song.
Agree. I miss that sound...
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My trouble with Mark's "new" National is that it sounds nothing like National, especially on live recordings. It sounds like acoustic guitar with piezo, and that fact baffles me more than the actual transition to the new guitar. I remember listening to the audio version of Romeo played on the new guitar without video portion and I thought — wow, he decided to play it on regular acoustic! But it turned out to be new guitar.
I get it, it sounds like reso-phonic guitar, but not as much as National and this surprises me. National sounds like banjo and it's a part of the song.
I was just having this conversation with Lis the last couple of days.
I couldn't agree more if you are referring to the Beard Deco Phonic 37 he is using on Romeo. It sounds just plain wrong. It really is a bizarre move to me, considering the National just might be the only guitar that has stretched his entire career until now. If he was concerned with the condition of his original (if he has in fact still been using it on recent tours) then a new one (even replicated aged) can be obtained from National, and I am sure they would give it to him.....
The sound would be way better off if he used the Beltano used on Heart Full Of Holes than the Beard....
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I also agree. The new 'Beard' I'm sure is a wonderful instrument, but it is not the right sound for Romeo. Too soft. As far as I know, Mark hasn't used the original National live for quite some time now, but has used a copy. Am I right?
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I also agree. The new 'Beard' I'm sure is a wonderful instrument, but it is not the right sound for Romeo. Too soft. As far as I know, Mark hasn't used the original National live for quite some time now, but has used a copy. Am I right?
That kind of guitar is splendid to play slide. Actually is the one or very similar played by Jerry Douglas, who is the person who gave that guitar to MK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d70dFhv6Rfo
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I also agree. The new 'Beard' I'm sure is a wonderful instrument, but it is not the right sound for Romeo. Too soft. As far as I know, Mark hasn't used the original National live for quite some time now, but has used a copy. Am I right?
I have seen it speculated but never confirmed. Regardless of the original or a replica, we want it BACK!!! Lol.
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I also agree. The new 'Beard' I'm sure is a wonderful instrument, but it is not the right sound for Romeo. Too soft. As far as I know, Mark hasn't used the original National live for quite some time now, but has used a copy. Am I right?
That kind of guitar is splendid to play slide. Actually is the one or very similar played by Jerry Douglas, who is the person who gave that guitar to MK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d70dFhv6Rfo
Note that Jerry Douglas uses metal picks on his fingers, and probably has very thick strings, so he gets a different sound altogether than Mark, who plays with bare fingers. The National guitars have a much stronger mid-range it seems, so the sound is much sharper than a Dobro, which is made of wood.
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I also agree. The new 'Beard' I'm sure is a wonderful instrument, but it is not the right sound for Romeo. Too soft. As far as I know, Mark hasn't used the original National live for quite some time now, but has used a copy. Am I right?
I have seen it speculated but never confirmed. Regardless of the original or a replica, we want it BACK!!! Lol.
The National was last used 'Live' when I saw MK at Chalke Valley History festival on the 2nd July 2016 I believe....
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My trouble with Mark's "new" National is that it sounds nothing like National, especially on live recordings. It sounds like acoustic guitar with piezo, and that fact baffles me more than the actual transition to the new guitar. I remember listening to the audio version of Romeo played on the new guitar without video portion and I thought — wow, he decided to play it on regular acoustic! But it turned out to be new guitar.
I get it, it sounds like reso-phonic guitar, but not as much as National and this surprises me. National sounds like banjo and it's a part of the song.
Agree, sounded like a cover band trying to get the sound on an acoustic
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Another weird thing last night.
John is doubling Mark's part on his cittern... And it was louder than Mark!
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I also agree. The new 'Beard' I'm sure is a wonderful instrument, but it is not the right sound for Romeo. Too soft. As far as I know, Mark hasn't used the original National live for quite some time now, but has used a copy. Am I right?
I have seen it speculated but never confirmed. Regardless of the original or a replica, we want it BACK!!! Lol.
He started using the replica around 2006 or something like that.
Edit: I was right! :)
http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/MK_guitars_national.htm (http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/MK_guitars_national.htm)
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So I have figured it out. Yesterday finally saw the show with my own eyes. He uses the 59 LP on WAM, MFN, BIA and GH. On OUATITW it's a 58 reissue
OK, so, I've been to a couple of gigs and watched a lot of videos posted online.
As far as I can see, the Original 58 Burst No 86811isn't on the tour. That's MK's absolute fave and I can only assume it's the value (probably £300,000+) that may be stopping him taking it on tour. It has a gold sticker at the back of the headstock that's been on there ever since he's owned it.
For BIA, MFN and a few of the others, I believe he's using an MK reissue. It just doesn't sound the same as the original 58 and the flame looks wrong. The plastics also don't match up to his 58.
Having looked at a lot of pictures etc online, I'm betting he's using the original '59 Burst for Why Aye Man etc. where there's a capo involved.
Why he's chosen to use that is anyone's guess, as that's probably worth as much as the much-loved 58.
On a final note, the majority of 59s were sprayed with dyes that were much less reactive to sunlight, which is why the 59 still holds a good deal of the red burst. The 58s were prone to fading, hence the almost tea tint of his original 58.
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No, as per my post above, reissue 59 for WAM, original 58 (I saw the sticker!) on OUATITW, YLT and Speedway, and reissue 58 on the encores.
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I confirm that the LP used on WAM is different from all the ones used later in the show.
Look the at the pickup on the neck, it is set up the same way as the bridge pickup as you can see on the picture below (2019 shot) :
(https://www.onstageweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Foto-concerto-mark-knopfler-milano-10-maggio-2019-3.jpg)
The others LP have the pickup set mirroring (2005 shot used for illustration) :
(http://info.indiatimes.com/it/knopfler/1024_3.jpg)
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Wow, a good catch. Great to see Mark using Peter Green out of phase Mod at last.
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Look the at the pickup on the neck, it is set up the same way as the bridge pickup as you can see
that doesn't necessarily mean it's a different guitar
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No, as per my post above, reissue 59 for WAM, original 58 (I saw the sticker!) on OUATITW, YLT and Speedway, and reissue 58 on the encores.
Show me a picture of the original 58 on this tour and I'll believe you!
I cannot believe he wouldn't use the original 58 for BIA if he has it with him. Doesn't make sense.
That's the original 59. Check the pictures from this tour and you'll see the flaming is exactly the same. The front pick up has been turned arse-about-face. A popular Les Paul mod.
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He definitely uses the original 58 in the songs mentioned above. I also think it is the real 59 on WAM.
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Like I said, I'll believe it when I see a picture of him with it. Not seen one yet on this tour. If you know your Les Pauls, you'll know what I mean!
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I don't have a pic right now but I just looked at this youtube video of SAN. At around min 4:45 you have a pretty good view on the LP and I would say it is indeed the real 58, but of course not 100% sure. What do you think?
https://youtu.be/hei0skBkasc?t=287
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Oooh, now you've got me thinking!
Those MK replicas are so well done it's difficult to tell. The real one has a scratch across the lower horn and, of course, that wanky repair job near the bridge.
Must admit it does look like it
We need to see the gold sticker!!!
86811
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After a lot of comparing various photos, I think you might be right!
Which means, then, that he also uses this for BIA, MFN, GH??
Anyway, if you really want to get geeky, here's link to Mark's 58
http://www.burstserial.com/index.php?/category/869
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Oooh, now you've got me thinking!
Those MK replicas are so well done it's difficult to tell. The real one has a scratch across the lower horn and, of course, that wanky repair job near the bridge.
Must admit it does look like it
We need to see the gold sticker!!!
86811
I used to think I knew a lot about MK’s guitars.....
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After a lot of comparing various photos, I think you might be right!
Which means, then, that he also uses this for BIA, MFN, GH??
Anyway, if you really want to get geeky, here's link to Mark's 58
http://www.burstserial.com/index.php?/category/869
I think for the encores it is one of the reissues as you said. It is quite hard to tell because of different colours of light etc ;D
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Wow, a good catch. Great to see Mark using Peter Green out of phase Mod at last.
The reversed pickup doesn't mean the sound is out of phase.
There might be at most a difference in the winding of the coils - so either you have the weaker or the stronger pair nearer to the bridge or the other way around and that might be the reason why the pickup is reversed (aside from cosmetical reasons).
But you don't get an OOP sound by turning the pickup.
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I saw the gold sticker from a couple of feet away at the RAH.
Also saw the signature and metal selector cover during the encores on the reissue. Don't really care if people choose not to believe that but I don't have anything to gain by making this up.
Less sure about the WAM guitar being a reissue but it looked practically new.
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(http://)No, as per my post above, reissue 59 for WAM, original 58 (I saw the sticker!) on OUATITW, YLT and Speedway, and reissue 58 on the encores.
Show me a picture of the original 58 on this tour and I'll believe you!
I cannot believe he wouldn't use the original 58 for BIA if he has it with him. Doesn't make sense.
That's the original 59. Check the pictures from this tour and you'll see the flaming is exactly the same. The front pick up has been turned arse-about-face. A popular Les Paul mod.
I didn't spot that ! I only got a couple of blurred shots of WAM, which I didn't bother editing,but looking at them now It's the same guitar. An easy "tell" is also the straps- he has a different strap on each guitar which don't get switched during the set.
Plenty of shots of the other les Pauls Here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/dtvaviationimages/albums/72157708765082687 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dtvaviationimages/albums/72157708765082687)
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https://flic.kr/p/2g2S3tt
https://flic.kr/p/2g2RSQT
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Great photos. Thanks dustyvalentino:)
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I saw the gold sticker from a couple of feet away at the RAH.
Also saw the signature and metal selector cover during the encores on the reissue. Don't really care if people choose not to believe that but I don't have anything to gain by making this up.
Less sure about the WAM guitar being a reissue but it looked practically new.
Dude, I'm betting you're right buddy. Not sure why he changes to a resissue for the encores but I'm sure he has his reasons. Honestly thought he'd sacked that original 58 off.
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@dustyvalentino: great pics! Thanks for sharing ;D
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And now this:
From what I can see (pedals) :
Strymon Zuma powersupply
Strymon Zuma R300 powersupply
Strymon Timeline
Strymon BigSky
Mike Hall Fixed Wah (obviously for MFN)
Origin Effects SlideRig (My guess is the SlideRig because I read somewhere he had one before and that he uses it for CBC).
Boss Chorus (Ce-2 for On Every Street outro?)
I also think I might see a Strymon El Capistand there. But Im not sure. And he already has the Timeline. Ive had both myself, and there is a difference.. Could be..
Anyone else see what the rest is?
Originaly posted on MIke Hall Services on Facebook.
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(http://guyfletcher.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/MKpedals1_1200.jpg)
(http://guyfletcher.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/MKpedals2_1200.jpg)
(http://guyfletcher.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/MKpedals3_1200.jpg)
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Boss Blues Driver Waza Craft
Strymon El Capistan
Jan Ray Vemuram
Analogman King of Tone
Origin Effects Compact Deluxe
Xotic RC Booster
Fishman Aura Jerry Douglas Signature Model
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Anyone else surprised by this? I assumed the effects came from the Kempfers as well.
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I'm not too familiar with the Kempers and if they need to be fed with pedals
I never took MK for a pedal guy. Just the volume pedal and a boost really, from previous rig rundowns by GF.
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Anyone else surprised by this? I assumed the effects came from the Kempfers as well.
no, Kemper's effects are not high quality, it's known almost exclusively for the amps simulation
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Mark has always used some Effects, but i enjoy this. Specially since I already have got a SlideRig, Blues Driver and the King Of Tone. Will dial in his settings tonight 😄
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That’s very different from previous tours (not only the Kemper)! Anybody got a clue for what songs the Blues Driver is used?
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Don't know if it was mentioned earlier, but the guitar sound on MFN seems wrong. There's something unpleasant about the distortion. Sounds like a swarm of angry wasps, like a low-quality budget solid-state amplifier with gain maxed out. I'm only going by downloads and youtube clips. I suppose it sounds better in concert.
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I thought it sounded great live.
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I thought it sounded great live.
Good to hear. That's what matters.
Compressed YouTube clips from compressed phone recordings are hardly the best way to gauge guitar tones.
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Don't know if it was mentioned earlier, but the guitar sound on MFN seems wrong. There's something unpleasant about the distortion. Sounds like a swarm of angry wasps, like a low-quality budget solid-state amplifier with gain maxed out. I'm only going by downloads and youtube clips. I suppose it sounds better in concert.
it's just the kemper not being 100% perfect as a real thing, it's not perfect live too, still it sounds really great live as others said, it's like a 9/10 instead of a 10/10 tone
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Finally a "new" guitar. So we can add the Fender 1954 vintage "Jurrasic" Stratocaster ;D
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Don't know if it was mentioned earlier, but the guitar sound on MFN seems wrong. There's something unpleasant about the distortion. Sounds like a swarm of angry wasps, like a low-quality budget solid-state amplifier with gain maxed out. I'm only going by downloads and youtube clips. I suppose it sounds better in concert.
it's just the kemper not being 100% perfect as a real thing, it's not perfect live too, still it sounds really great live as others said, it's like a 9/10 instead of a 10/10 tone
Yes. Somehow distrorted sounds are not so lively and the note does not ring as long as I would expect with tube amps. Might be a placebo effect of course...
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Finally a "new" guitar. So we can add the Fender 1954 vintage "Jurrasic" Stratocaster ;D
I think he's been using a reissue for a while?
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Finally a "new" guitar. So we can add the Fender 1954 vintage "Jurrasic" Stratocaster ;D
I think he's been using a reissue for a while?
Or he bought Gilmour's last week at Christies :think
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Finally a "new" guitar. So we can add the Fender 1954 vintage "Jurrasic" Stratocaster ;D
I think he's been using a reissue for a while?
Or he bought Gilmour's last week at Christies :think
He's not that daft!
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Guy re Kemper: "They are never going to be the real thing but Mark likes them"
Even Guy admits, maybe they should tell MK that he doesn't have to carry the tube amps himself ?
A real mistery
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Guy re Kemper: "They are never going to be the real thing but Mark likes them"
Even Guy admits, maybe they should tell MK that he doesn't have to carry the tube amps himself ?
A real mistery
;D
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No, but he has to pay people to carry them...
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As if money was the issue.
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Guy Fletcher mentions in his diary that the new Pensa is used on two songs of the set. One of these songs is "Piper to the end".
Any idea on which other song it is used?
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Guy Fletcher mentions in his diary that the new Pensa is used on two songs of the set. One of these songs is "Piper to the end".
Any idea on which other song it is used?
My bacon roll
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And romeo and juliet
https://youtu.be/ZLuRFyyJRGo
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So, three songs!
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Thanks very much for the replies! Interesting.
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Negates the need for a guitar change between Romeo and Bacon Roll then. I wondered why he didn't just play Romeo outro solo with the blue Pensa before.
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Negates the need for a guitar change between Romeo and Bacon Roll then. I wondered why he didn't just play Romeo outro solo with the blue Pensa before.
Makes sense as he played Romeo on the neck pickup this tour instead of the neck/middle pickups, the new Pensa comes close, great sound but I prefer the Strat with neck/middle pickups (STP sound).
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Yesterday in Indianapolis he only used that guitar for the Romeo outtro :hmm
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Yesterday in Indianapolis he only used that guitar for the Romeo outtro :hmm
Maybe he found out it not that suitable.
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Yesterday in Indianapolis he only used that guitar for the Romeo outtro :hmm
Sounds better on that solo IMO (from the audience video anyway) but it doesn't help him play it any better. There aren't many pleasing outros from this tour at all in fact. :(
I've always liked the Don Grosch sound on Piper. It's irrelevant which guitar he uses on it now anyway since he only backs John and Mike initially, then Graeme and Tom.
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Yesterday in Indianapolis he only used that guitar for the Romeo outtro :hmm
Sounds better on that solo IMO (from the audience video anyway) but it doesn't help him play it any better. There aren't many pleasing outros from this tour at all in fact. :(
I've always liked the Don Grosch sound on Piper. It's irrelevant which guitar he uses on it now anyway since he only backs John and Mike initially, then Graeme and Tom.
The R&J outro solos from the Tracker Tour were always a highlight for me. This tour, only the Milano version is worthy of praise
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Yesterday in Indianapolis he only used that guitar for the Romeo outtro :hmm
Sounds better on that solo IMO (from the audience video anyway) but it doesn't help him play it any better. There aren't many pleasing outros from this tour at all in fact. :(
I've always liked the Don Grosch sound on Piper. It's irrelevant which guitar he uses on it now anyway since he only backs John and Mike initially, then Graeme and Tom.
ye, the Blue Pensa is basically a Don Grosh with a better look and a 2x price
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Yesterday in Indianapolis he only used that guitar for the Romeo outtro :hmm
Sounds better on that solo IMO (from the audience video anyway) but it doesn't help him play it any better. There aren't many pleasing outros from this tour at all in fact. :(
I've always liked the Don Grosch sound on Piper. It's irrelevant which guitar he uses on it now anyway since he only backs John and Mike initially, then Graeme and Tom.
ye, the Blue Pensa is basically a Don Grosh with a better look and a 2x price
Best guitar comment ever! ;D
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Looks as if he's using the neck pickup which appears to be a variation of a gold foil.
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It really is a beautiful looking guitar, the wood grain, and of course, no inlays on the neck. Man is good to see him playing a neck without inlays again, BUT, it didn't seem to have enough bite to me last night.
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Looks as if he's using the neck pickup which appears to be a variation of a gold foil.
From Guy’s forum:
Doc, I’ve been reading up on Mark’s new Pensa Tele and its pickups, a Guyatone-style Gold Foil pickup in neck and a Suprocaster pickup in bridge, both made by Gemini Pickups in the US (not the UK company by the same name). The original pickups that these pickups are based on are particularly popular among slide players, especially guys like David Lindley, Ry Cooder and Blake Mills. Tell your boss to whip out a heavy glass slide and play that guitar through a Tweed-style amp on the verge of break-up. I think you’ll all be very delighted. Cheers, Tom
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It really is a beautiful looking guitar, the wood grain, and of course, no inlays on the neck. Man is good to see him playing a neck without inlays again, BUT, it didn't seem to have enough bite to me last night.
I understand that thinline guitars have a softer sound than regular solidbody electrics. Less cutting.
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It's whatsoever guitare for me, nothing that makes you say "wow", after the "shit band", here comes the time for the "shit guitar". With all due respect to Rudy.
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It's whatsoever guitare for me, nothing that makes you say "wow", after the "shit band", here comes the time for the "shit guitar". With all due respect to Rudy.
What?
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I just noticed Danny is in front of MK