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Title: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jbaent on August 05, 2019, 10:54:39 AM
Talking with a friend about this topic, we had two different opinions. By one side, songs like "Bacon Roll" must be too British for the US and maybe would be replaced by another song, if we are lucky, one new for this tour, but probably just a returning encore. In the other hand, the lack of interesting changes would suggest that there is nothing new happening and that this is it until the last show.

What do you think?

Vote, please!
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Post by: vr46mk on August 05, 2019, 11:01:10 AM
Said it before and although everyone is laughing at it, I stand by my guess.. BIA to be on more setlists and TR to return..
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Post by: quizzaciously on August 05, 2019, 11:07:32 AM
LOL
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Post by: Dutchessy on August 05, 2019, 11:59:29 AM
I think we will see Trapper Man and Back on the Dancefloor before the tour ends.
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Post by: superval99 on August 05, 2019, 12:06:45 PM
I have a feeling we will see something new during the US leg.   Maybe "Back on the Dancefloor"?    :think
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Post by: Robson on August 05, 2019, 12:40:52 PM
Looking back there were no changes at concerts in the US.
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Post by: dmg on August 05, 2019, 01:03:20 PM
Said it before and although everyone is laughing at it, I stand by my guess.. BIA to be on more setlists and TR to return..

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit you know.
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Post by: ds1984 on August 05, 2019, 01:41:46 PM
Looking back there were no changes at concerts in the US.

This is what I said to me on every streets while looking at redbud trees.
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Post by: holaknopfler on August 05, 2019, 02:15:02 PM
My guess is Sonny Liston could return. Other than that I dont see him changing much.
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Post by: Robson on August 05, 2019, 02:18:10 PM
Maybe Mark will try Silvertown Blues again.
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Post by: localhero1986 on August 05, 2019, 02:22:11 PM
I guess a 14-15 song setlist will be the standard. ;) Maybe 1-2 other songs for the final show with Bonnie.
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Post by: dmg on August 05, 2019, 04:37:41 PM
Mark could at this moment be at BG rehearsing a new song, or songs with the band.  My guess however is that they have gone their own ways and he is sitting with his feet up drinking wine.

@ Jbaent:  If Bacon Roll is deemed too British and dropped then we all know Mark and it will be replaced by...nothing!
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Post by: hunter on August 05, 2019, 05:31:59 PM
No. They have found a formula that works for Mark, and that's that.
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Post by: kaleo74 on August 05, 2019, 05:41:35 PM
Still hoping to hear/see "Back on the dance floor" since they played it at one point during the rehearsales I guess, maybe the return of Brothers in arms and TR.
My biggest dream would be that they play "Ride across the river", he could do it so much with the great musicians he has on stage, then it's a song that doesn't require too much effort on the neck, I love the huge Gibson sound on this tour... just dreaming  :)
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Post by: Love Expresso on August 05, 2019, 06:31:04 PM
Nobody expects the set list to be shortened once more?

LE
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: dmg on August 05, 2019, 06:40:04 PM
Nobody expects the set list to be shortened once more?

LE

There'll be nothing left!  I said if Bacon Roll was dropped it wouldn't be replaced.  He has also been struggling with Speedway.
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: kaleo74 on August 05, 2019, 08:18:04 PM
Nobody expects the set list to be shortened once more?

LE

There'll be nothing left!  I said if Bacon Roll was dropped it wouldn't be replaced.  He has also been struggling with Speedway.

Not sure he will drop My Bacon Roll, it's a good song for clapping, singing... ;D
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: Robson on August 05, 2019, 08:23:36 PM
Danny Cummings encouraged us to clapping :D
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: dmg on August 05, 2019, 08:42:48 PM
Nobody expects the set list to be shortened once more?

LE

There'll be nothing left!  I said if Bacon Roll was dropped it wouldn't be replaced.  He has also been struggling with Speedway.

Not sure he will drop My Bacon Roll, it's a good song for clapping, singing... ;D

Yeah, I personally don't think it will for the very reason you do.  It's this tours Skydiver.

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Post by: Knopflerfan on August 06, 2019, 02:30:27 AM
Ive just got the feeling that BOTDF will be played for the next chapter.....Not sure MBR will be dropped however....
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Post by: jbaent on August 06, 2019, 08:27:35 AM
Ive just got the feeling that BOTDF will be played for the next chapter.....Not sure MBR will be dropped however....

Since day one, it's being dropping songs, specially when you add a new one. Everytime MK added a song (piper, brother, so far away) was because another one (or two) was (were) dropped.
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: hunter on August 06, 2019, 10:20:14 AM
Replace Corned Beef City with Back On The Dancefloor. Yes, please.
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Post by: Darling Pretty on August 06, 2019, 10:48:44 AM
No. Then the set gets more lame. It is already too quiet in the middle. Yesterday I heard RATR two times.
That would have been a cool song to perform.
Also for the Brassis and the folkies
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Post by: dmg on August 06, 2019, 12:36:54 PM
No. Then the set gets more lame. It is already too quiet in the middle. Yesterday I heard RATR two times.
That would have been a cool song to perform.
Also for the Brassis and the folkies

It would've been so good to play this great song to involve most of the band and be such a crowd pleaser too.  A big opportunity missed in my book. 
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: crimmer on August 06, 2019, 01:22:12 PM
How about heavy fuel instead of on every street
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Post by: crimmer on August 06, 2019, 01:26:02 PM
Same set ,but back on the dancefloor in for bacon roll, one song at a time in for heart full of holes, heavy fuel in for on every street,

Of course I would love sonny and what it is squeezed in there being selfish 
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Post by: hunter on August 06, 2019, 01:39:31 PM
You must be joking. Heavy Fuel has got to be one of the absolutely worst songs Mark has written, musically and lyrically.
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Post by: Knopflerfan on August 06, 2019, 02:44:27 PM
Same set ,but back on the dancefloor in for bacon roll, one song at a time in for heart full of holes, heavy fuel in for on every street,

Of course I would love sonny and what it is squeezed in there being selfish

We can but dream Mr Crimmer!! :wave
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Post by: Knopflerfan on August 06, 2019, 02:47:07 PM
How about heavy fuel instead of on every street

Anything is better than OES so how about 'Heavy Up' would be much better in its place. All a dream as it's not going to happen!!
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Post by: superval99 on August 06, 2019, 02:52:09 PM
How about heavy fuel instead of on every street

Anything is better than OES so how about 'Heavy Up' would be much better in its place. All a dream as it's not going to happen!!

I really like OES!   It's far better than Heavy Fuel or Heavy Up.   
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jbaent on August 06, 2019, 03:49:40 PM
Nothing is better than "El Macho", a song about me.
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: superval99 on August 06, 2019, 03:59:06 PM
Nothing is better than "El Macho", a song about me.

Now that I have met you, jbaent, I have to agree!    :lol   :wave
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 06, 2019, 04:07:54 PM
How about heavy fuel instead of on every street

Anything is better than OES so how about 'Heavy Up' would be much better in its place. All a dream as it's not going to happen!!

I really like OES!   It's far better than Heavy Fuel or Heavy Up.

I'm afraid Superval, I disagree! Any of the 1992 versions are rather good but the versions these days just don't cut it for me and in fact I do skip the live versions from the current tour downloads...
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Post by: superval99 on August 06, 2019, 04:39:52 PM
How about heavy fuel instead of on every street

Anything is better than OES so how about 'Heavy Up' would be much better in its place. All a dream as it's not going to happen!!

I really like OES!   It's far better than Heavy Fuel or Heavy Up.

I'm afraid Superval, I disagree! Any of the 1992 versions are rather good but the versions these days just don't cut it for me and in fact I do skip the live versions from the current tour downloads...

I have only had the pleasure of hearing it once on this tour and I really enjoyed it in Verona, perhaps even more than Silvertown.   :)
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Post by: Robson on August 06, 2019, 04:41:20 PM
How about heavy fuel instead of on every street

Anything is better than OES so how about 'Heavy Up' would be much better in its place. All a dream as it's not going to happen!!

I really like OES!   It's far better than Heavy Fuel or Heavy Up.

 :thumbsup I really like when Mark recites more than sings: and it’s your face I’m looking for on every street...
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Post by: dmg on August 06, 2019, 06:24:39 PM
How about heavy fuel instead of on every street

Anything is better than OES so how about 'Heavy Up' would be much better in its place. All a dream as it's not going to happen!!

I really like OES!   It's far better than Heavy Fuel or Heavy Up.

Agree with you Val - I love OES.  One of the best songs Mark has ever written.  I also agree that these days it isn't played nearly as well as in 1991/92.
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Post by: hunter on August 06, 2019, 06:35:17 PM
I like the melody and lyrics of OES, but the lack of a beat makes it very dull. The outro is kind of cool, but feels pointless in the context of this song. I'd like it a lot if it had beat similar to Nobody's Child.
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Post by: Knopflerfan on August 06, 2019, 06:41:21 PM
How about heavy fuel instead of on every street

Anything is better than OES so how about 'Heavy Up' would be much better in its place. All a dream as it's not going to happen!!

I really like OES!   It's far better than Heavy Fuel or Heavy Up.

Agree with you Val - I love OES.  One of the best songs Mark has ever written.  I also agree that these days it isn't played nearly as well as in 1991/92.

Oh dear..... :smack
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Post by: localhero1986 on August 06, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
How about heavy fuel instead of on every street

Anything is better than OES so how about 'Heavy Up' would be much better in its place. All a dream as it's not going to happen!!

I really like OES!   It's far better than Heavy Fuel or Heavy Up.

Indeed! I agree! Really enjoyed OES this tour, very nice addition.
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Post by: Love Expresso on August 06, 2019, 09:53:37 PM
On Every Street is an iconic and an all-time-dire-straits-masterpiece. The second half with the build-up is essential in terms of the lyrics. It's one of the best recordings, speaking about the album version, and it's very much because of Paul Franklin's contribution that it is so good. Live it is really another story. Neither the 2015 versions weren't good because Nigel just did not nail it nor this year's versions. It's a bad choice to resurrect this song of all things.
 
And I agree that Heavy Up would be perfect for this band and I think it should replace Postcards From Paraguay as the introduction song. Everybody is soloing so nice on the record, this could be expanded very nicely and make the crowd sing along live.

In 2013 they played Dream Of The Drowned Submariner a couple of times and that one was very nice and would have a much better sax and guitar interaction than On Every Street.

LE

Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jorcx on August 07, 2019, 02:44:09 AM
Mmm I foresee a little of “Our Shangri-La” (which I do love) replacing “Piper...” once in a blue moon...
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Post by: superval99 on August 07, 2019, 10:01:17 AM
 I wasn't comparing OES with the 91/2 version and, of course, it couldn't be as good without Paul Franklin. It was just a change to hear it played live, in front of me, in Verona and also to hear something other than Silvertown, which I already heard at my two other concerts.  All I know is that I enjoyed hearing it very much!   :)
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Post by: dmg on August 07, 2019, 12:45:31 PM
I wasn't comparing OES with the 91/2 version and, of course, it couldn't be as good without Paul Franklin. It was just a change to hear it played live, in front of me, in Verona and also to hear something other than Silvertown, which I already heard at my two other concerts.  All I know is that I enjoyed hearing it very much!   :)

I too was glad to hear it in Glasgow instead of Silvertown and it also brought back memories of my first concert there in 1991 when I heard it.  Circle complete.

I think he's struggling now to play the guitar licks while singing and his fingerpicking isn't as accurate as it used to be at the end either.  A real shame as I still love to hear it, however there are still some decent versions.
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Post by: superval99 on August 07, 2019, 01:43:41 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding the rather lumpy/clumpy intro for Speedway to my taste on some of the versions on this tour.   I feel MK is losing his way some of the time and it's becoming a skipper for me from a few of the concerts, not all thankfully.  A real shame, because Speedway has always been one of the highlights for me.   Some of the 2010 versions were really great in comparison.   
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Post by: hunter on August 07, 2019, 02:02:22 PM
To me there's a certain ham-fistedness to his playing now that I find very distracting.
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Post by: kaleo74 on August 07, 2019, 05:51:22 PM
About On Every Street

I think that a Saxophone would have sounded better and more dynamic on On Every Street, or he could have tried it with Richard Benett on the pedal steel why not, but not sure he has the skills for this song.
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Post by: qjamesfloyd on August 07, 2019, 05:52:08 PM
Talking with a friend about this topic, we had two different opinions. By one side, songs like "Bacon Roll" must be too British for the US and maybe would be replaced by another song, if we are lucky, one new for this tour, but probably just a returning encore. In the other hand, the lack of interesting changes would suggest that there is nothing new happening and that this is it until the last show.

What do you think?

Vote, please!

How can a song be too British? there are many songs that are deeply connected to one country or another that I like, if people don't understand the lyrics they will find out the meaning. That is one of the great things about Mark's lyrics. I was born in England, and there are certain Scottish words in his lyrics I had never heard before. Look at Tunnel of Love, very much about the area around Newcastle, but people all over the world love it. I have never understood the idea of releasing two different versions of the Sailing to Philadelphia album, the international version with One More Matinee and the US version with Do America!! People all over the world loved Sultans of Swing, a song about a dixie band in a London pub too.
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Post by: superval99 on August 07, 2019, 06:13:00 PM
About On Every Street

I think that a Saxophone would have sounded better and more dynamic on On Every Street, or he could have tried it with Richard Benett on the pedal steel why not, but not sure he has the skills for this song.

Wasn't it a soprano sax that Graeme Blevins played?    :think
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Post by: kaleo74 on August 07, 2019, 08:12:19 PM
About On Every Street

I think that a Saxophone would have sounded better and more dynamic on On Every Street, or he could have tried it with Richard Benett on the pedal steel why not, but not sure he has the skills for this song.

Wasn't it a soprano sax that Graeme Blevins played?    :think

I meant an Alto Sax which would make him play differently I guess.
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Post by: dmg on August 07, 2019, 08:21:58 PM
About On Every Street

I think that a Saxophone would have sounded better and more dynamic on On Every Street, or he could have tried it with Richard Benett on the pedal steel why not, but not sure he has the skills for this song.

Wasn't it a soprano sax that Graeme Blevins played?    :think

I meant an Alto Sax which would make him play differently I guess.

I think it's fine the way it is, however this is one song I think Nigel did better.  I kind of miss his happy presence on the front of the stage.  Imagine both Nigel and Danny together... ;D ;D
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Post by: emilianomk on August 07, 2019, 10:41:02 PM
Radio city serenade would be great
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Post by: Knopflerfan on August 08, 2019, 12:33:30 AM
About On Every Street

I think that a Saxophone would have sounded better and more dynamic on On Every Street, or he could have tried it with Richard Benett on the pedal steel why not, but not sure he has the skills for this song.

Wasn't it a soprano sax that Graeme Blevins played?    :think

I meant an Alto Sax which would make him play differently I guess.

I think it's fine the way it is, however this is one song I think Nigel did better.  I kind of miss his happy presence on the front of the stage.  Imagine both Nigel and Danny together... ;D ;D

Funnily enough we watched some videos from 2015 and I have to say how good Nigel was..... Not against Graham but Nigel bought a bit extra to the stage....
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Post by: Knopflerfan on August 08, 2019, 12:35:11 AM
Radio city serenade would be great

Nice! I'd personally love to hear 'Occupation Blues' Live again having heard it played at Chalke Valley......

Surely OSAAT has to feature sometime do we think??
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Post by: binone on August 08, 2019, 11:54:56 AM
Nothing is better than "El Macho", a song about me.
me desorino
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Post by: hunter on August 08, 2019, 12:14:56 PM
Nothing is better than "El Macho", a song about me.
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El Mucho?
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Post by: mkdsone on August 12, 2019, 07:56:04 PM
I'd love to hear "Good On You Son" as opener and "One Song At A Time" to replace Postcards from Paraguay.
BIA should defenitely stay in.
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Post by: localhero1986 on August 12, 2019, 08:30:10 PM
I'd love to hear "Good On You Son" as opener and "One Song At A Time" to replace Postcards from Paraguay.
BIA should defenitely stay in.

BIA stay? It’s already gone! ;D I expect The fish and the bird to make its return. ;D
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Post by: jbaent on August 12, 2019, 08:43:25 PM
I truly expect El Macho to be played. With Danny on percussion and Tommy on trumpet, that would be the heaven where the tyne meet the delta...
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Post by: cannibals on August 13, 2019, 12:08:57 AM
I would love to hear some more songs from the new album. But to be honest i don’t think it’s going to happen. Somehow i have a feeling WOL will be back. Was it not rehearsed during soundcheck in italy?
Anyway, no big changes i think....
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Post by: milicz on August 13, 2019, 01:53:13 AM
Looking back there were no changes at concerts in the US.

Not true, last tour he was playing Telegraph Road and switched to On Every Street for the first time since the '93 tour in the US.
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Post by: jbaent on August 13, 2019, 08:43:29 AM
Looking back there were no changes at concerts in the US.

Not true, last tour he was playing Telegraph Road and switched to On Every Street for the first time since the '93 tour in the US.

Nah

This US leg is going to be the same 14/15 songs set that ended the European leg till the end...
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Post by: DutchMark on August 14, 2019, 11:27:56 PM
No one in for Just A Boy Away From Home as a closer?

Before the tour I had visions of crowds singing YNWA again and again.....
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Post by: hunter on August 14, 2019, 11:59:35 PM
There's roughly 1/3 left of the tour. I really don't think they're going to bother to shake things up at this stage. Why mess up a good thing, right? Guy was asked recently whether they have considered adding a new song to the setlist which would cater specifically to the American market, to which he said no.


Never say never, of course, but I would be very surprised if there are any changes. The show where Bonnie Raitt opens could potentially mean some surprises, but if nothing happened when John Illsley or Albert Lee were around in Europe, then I doubt that as well.
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Post by: jbaent on August 15, 2019, 10:16:25 AM
Guy confirmed in his forum that they are not going to be any changes.
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Post by: hunter on August 15, 2019, 11:42:08 AM
It could also mean that they have discussed changes, but the songs are not particularly geared towards the American audience. Kind of unlikely as regional differences are probably the least of things that Mark cares about at this point.
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Post by: dmg on August 15, 2019, 11:54:54 AM
Dullsville playing in the Mark Knopfler band. 

Listening to R&J from 1996 the other day it occurred to me the Richard has been playing his little solo note for note identically since then, so this news from Guy shouldn't really come as any surprise!
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Post by: hunter on August 15, 2019, 12:11:02 PM
Dullsville playing in the Mark Knopfler band. 

Listening to R&J from 1996 the other day it occurred to me the Richard has been playing his little solo note for note identically since then, so this news from Guy shouldn't really come as any surprise!


You know, I'm ok with that. That solo is a part, not an opportunity to improvise. Richard simply does his job as a sideman, and by being that faithful to the part, the more dynamic the main artist appears to be. That said, I love to hear that solo on the pedal steel, or with slide. Richard could easily have pulled that off.
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Post by: superval99 on August 15, 2019, 02:10:37 PM
The Mark Knopfler band is excellent!  Not dullsville at all!   :)

Regarding R&J I think it is still beautiful and will always be one of my favourite songs, but I feel that the trumpet is an addition too far.  The saxophone sounds great as always, though.  I don't know why MK changed the lyric slightly from "talk" to "talks" - it happened only when the tour began.  Maybe MK fancied a bit of tinkering with it when he had an idle moment!  :think
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Post by: dmg on August 15, 2019, 06:47:16 PM
The Mark Knopfler band is excellent!  Not dullsville at all!   :)

Regarding R&J I think it is still beautiful and will always be one of my favourite songs, but I feel that the trumpet is an addition too far.  The saxophone sounds great as always, though.  I don't know why MK changed the lyric slightly from "talk" to "talks" - it happened only when the tour began.  Maybe MK fancied a bit of tinkering with it when he had an idle moment!  :think

I meant that it must be like dullsville to be in the Mark Knopfler band, not that it is dullsville.

Regarding R&J:  it's a song that has been getting worse over the years.  Less powerful and passionate vocals, now a shorter and struggling solo.
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Post by: superval99 on August 15, 2019, 06:55:18 PM
The Mark Knopfler band is excellent!  Not dullsville at all!   :)

Regarding R&J I think it is still beautiful and will always be one of my favourite songs, but I feel that the trumpet is an addition too far.  The saxophone sounds great as always, though.  I don't know why MK changed the lyric slightly from "talk" to "talks" - it happened only when the tour began.  Maybe MK fancied a bit of tinkering with it when he had an idle moment!  :think

I meant that it must be like dullsville to be in the Mark Knopfler band, not that it is dullsville.

Regarding R&J:  it's a song that has been getting worse over the years.  Less powerful and passionate vocals, now a shorter and struggling solo.

Sorry, dmg,  I read it as being a dullsville band!   ;)   I agree, it must be very boring playing the same songs for 80+ concerts. 
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Post by: hunter on August 15, 2019, 07:22:35 PM
This decision of Mark's to keep things so static is something I will never, ever understand. But it's nothing new, is it? Pretty static setlists throughout the DS years too. No wonder they were fed up after the OES tour. Maybe it's a matter of wanting to offer consistently high quality. The trade off is that the band, even though professionals, gets bored and starts to phone things in.
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Post by: border_reiver on August 15, 2019, 10:17:11 PM
LOL, win  ;D
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Post by: dmg on August 16, 2019, 12:47:48 AM
The Mark Knopfler band is excellent!  Not dullsville at all!   :)

Regarding R&J I think it is still beautiful and will always be one of my favourite songs, but I feel that the trumpet is an addition too far.  The saxophone sounds great as always, though.  I don't know why MK changed the lyric slightly from "talk" to "talks" - it happened only when the tour began.  Maybe MK fancied a bit of tinkering with it when he had an idle moment!  :think

I meant that it must be like dullsville to be in the Mark Knopfler band, not that it is dullsville.

Regarding R&J:  it's a song that has been getting worse over the years.  Less powerful and passionate vocals, now a shorter and struggling solo.

Sorry, dmg,  I read it as being a dullsville band!   ;)   I agree, it must be very boring playing the same songs for 80+ concerts.

No worries Val.  I should've put it better.  ;)
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: Rail King on August 16, 2019, 01:27:43 PM
You must be joking. Heavy Fuel has got to be one of the absolutely worst songs Mark has written, musically and lyrically.

Certainly not one of his best, but he doesn't really do bad songs, does he. I like it. The lyrics are ironic (I guess you noticed), and as for the music ... if we didn't have Heavy Fuel, we wouldn't have this intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13mal4iQ_Z0 Without which I don't know if I'd want to be alive.  ;)
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: Rail King on August 16, 2019, 01:36:38 PM
About On Every Street

I think that a Saxophone would have sounded better and more dynamic on On Every Street, or he could have tried it with Richard Benett on the pedal steel why not, but not sure he has the skills for this song.

Wasn't it a soprano sax that Graeme Blevins played?    :think

I meant an Alto Sax which would make him play differently I guess.

I think it's fine the way it is, however this is one song I think Nigel did better.  I kind of miss his happy presence on the front of the stage.  Imagine both Nigel and Danny together... ;D ;D

This must have been discussed here on some other thread, I'm sure, but there is a HUGE difference between Nigel and Graeme. Graeme seems to be a lovely chap (though not exactly a dancer), and he certainly can play whatever is asked of him, but he is NOT NEARLY the musical genius Nigel is. Mark prides himself on hiring «the best», but in this case he obviously had to make a compromise and find an emergency solution.
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: Rail King on August 16, 2019, 01:39:40 PM
I'd love to hear "Good On You Son" as opener and "One Song At A Time" to replace Postcards from Paraguay.
BIA should defenitely stay in.

BIA stay? It’s already gone! ;D I expect The fish and the bird to make its return. ;D

The Fish and the Bird is one of his most emotional songs. Obviously not super popular, but nonetheless fantastically great.
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: Dutchessy on August 16, 2019, 08:54:31 PM
About On Every Street

I think that a Saxophone would have sounded better and more dynamic on On Every Street, or he could have tried it with Richard Benett on the pedal steel why not, but not sure he has the skills for this song.

Wasn't it a soprano sax that Graeme Blevins played?    :think

I meant an Alto Sax which would make him play differently I guess.

I think it's fine the way it is, however this is one song I think Nigel did better.  I kind of miss his happy presence on the front of the stage.  Imagine both Nigel and Danny together... ;D ;D

This must have been discussed here on some other thread, I'm sure, but there is a HUGE difference between Nigel and Graeme. Graeme seems to be a lovely chap (though not exactly a dancer), and he certainly can play whatever is asked of him, but he is NOT NEARLY the musical genius Nigel is. Mark prides himself on hiring «the best», but in this case he obviously had to make a compromise and find an emergency solution.

I like the playing of Graeme more than Nigel on the previous tour.
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: Stiglar on August 17, 2019, 05:43:10 AM
About On Every Street

I think that a Saxophone would have sounded better and more dynamic on On Every Street, or he could have tried it with Richard Benett on the pedal steel why not, but not sure he has the skills for this song.

Wasn't it a soprano sax that Graeme Blevins played?    :think

I meant an Alto Sax which would make him play differently I guess.

I think it's fine the way it is, however this is one song I think Nigel did better.  I kind of miss his happy presence on the front of the stage.  Imagine both Nigel and Danny together... ;D ;D

This must have been discussed here on some other thread, I'm sure, but there is a HUGE difference between Nigel and Graeme. Graeme seems to be a lovely chap (though not exactly a dancer), and he certainly can play whatever is asked of him, but he is NOT NEARLY the musical genius Nigel is. Mark prides himself on hiring «the best», but in this case he obviously had to make a compromise and find an emergency solution.

I have to disagree also, I think Graeme is amazing, I much prefer his take than Nigel, Not to say that Nigel isn't great also!
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: crimmer on August 17, 2019, 09:13:52 AM
Yes I prefure Graeme over Nigel , really struggled with Nigel's playing, but guess its each too there own
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: Vesper on August 17, 2019, 11:51:35 AM
About On Every Street

I think that a Saxophone would have sounded better and more dynamic on On Every Street, or he could have tried it with Richard Benett on the pedal steel why not, but not sure he has the skills for this song.

Wasn't it a soprano sax that Graeme Blevins played?    :think

I meant an Alto Sax which would make him play differently I guess.

I think it's fine the way it is, however this is one song I think Nigel did better.  I kind of miss his happy presence on the front of the stage.  Imagine both Nigel and Danny together... ;D ;D

This must have been discussed here on some other thread, I'm sure, but there is a HUGE difference between Nigel and Graeme. Graeme seems to be a lovely chap (though not exactly a dancer), and he certainly can play whatever is asked of him, but he is NOT NEARLY the musical genius Nigel is. Mark prides himself on hiring «the best», but in this case he obviously had to make a compromise and find an emergency solution.

I like the playing of Graeme more than Nigel on the previous tour.

Agreed!
It may help the trumpet is there too. But I like Graeme better than Nigel (although a very nice chap as well).
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jbaent on August 17, 2019, 12:45:33 PM
And in the end, same old same old.
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: dmg on August 17, 2019, 02:22:47 PM
And in the end, same old same old.

Not quite true - he is back to his trusty old blue shirt and jeans again and ditched the pink short-sleeved number.
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jbaent on August 17, 2019, 04:06:34 PM
And in the end, same old same old.

Not quite true - he is back to his trusty old blue shirt and jeans again and ditched the pink short-sleeved number.

The most important is always on the little details...

LOL
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: iBoogz on August 17, 2019, 05:08:20 PM
what time do the shows end?
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jbaent on August 17, 2019, 06:03:28 PM
what time do the shows end?

Less than two hours after the start.
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: SackJonni on August 21, 2019, 05:17:36 PM
I feel sorry for the band. Must be boring as f*ck to play the same set every night...
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: ds1984 on August 21, 2019, 07:06:42 PM
They are paid for. And still better than a lot other job  ;D
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jbaent on August 21, 2019, 07:46:05 PM
I feel sorry for the band. Must be boring as f*ck to play the same set every night...

They dont have to learn new stuff, just repeat what they already now. Easiest job.
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: dmg on August 21, 2019, 07:50:38 PM
I feel sorry for the band. Must be boring as f*ck to play the same set every night...

They dont have to learn new stuff, just repeat what they already now. Easiest job.

Or perhaps not; it must be mind numbing and extremely difficult to keep concentration.

I wonder if George in "Guitar George" refers to autopilot... :think
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: Knut on August 23, 2019, 04:59:54 PM
Not sure if musicians look at it as if "easy=better". Like, I created some math exercises this summer, and if all I was allowed to do was to make "standard tasks" that any monkey could do, I'd be bored to death by now. But I guess they knew what they were signing up for, and did it for other reasons than being challenged live on stage.
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: qjamesfloyd on August 25, 2019, 11:26:15 AM
I don't think it is really something these professional musicians worry about. Mark is their boss, he asks them to play these songs, and they play them, if they were bored why would they keep agreeing to tour with Mark? Don't forget they are not listening to Mark's music every day like most of us, so when they play the songs live again it probably is new and fresh to them, and in the mean time they have played many many sessions between tours. I am guessing it would be more boring playing in the Bob Dylan Never Ending Tour situation!!!
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: knopflertom on August 26, 2019, 11:24:54 AM
„We enjoyed an elongated sound check, exploring something that we will play on the final show in MSG.“ from the last diary entry. Maybe back on the dancefloor with Bonnie Raitt? :think
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jbaent on August 26, 2019, 12:16:47 PM
„We enjoyed an elongated sound check, exploring something that we will play on the final show in MSG.“ from the last diary entry. Maybe back on the dancefloor with Bonnie Raitt? :think

Our Shangrila with Bonnie Raitt
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: dmg on August 26, 2019, 12:23:18 PM
„We enjoyed an elongated sound check, exploring something that we will play on the final show in MSG.“ from the last diary entry. Maybe back on the dancefloor with Bonnie Raitt? :think

Our Shangrila with Bonnie Raitt

Cannibals or Gravy Train.   :lol
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jbaent on August 26, 2019, 01:08:11 PM
„We enjoyed an elongated sound check, exploring something that we will play on the final show in MSG.“ from the last diary entry. Maybe back on the dancefloor with Bonnie Raitt? :think

Our Shangrila with Bonnie Raitt

Cannibals or Gravy Train.   :lol

That "exploring" makes me think that maybe they are planning to play something with Bonnie, that it's not a MK song... During the BIA tour DS played several songs not from them, songs that were sung by their guests, like T-Bone Burnett, Paul Young, Eric Clapton, Paul Brady or even Bob Dylan... maybe they are preparing something like that... playing two songs with her, one by MK, and another one by Bonnie... or a classic song...

 It's strange they are preparing it with so many time in advance, the MSG show is in almost a month...
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: knopflertom on August 26, 2019, 01:15:59 PM
And the MSG show is not really should out :( :-X

Could be a strange thing, if the big MSG will be half empty...
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jbaent on August 26, 2019, 01:23:17 PM
And the MSG show is not really should out :( :-X

Could be a strange thing, if the big MSG will be half empty...

Yes, too many empty seats yet... I'd say that it's not half empty but even more, probably 3/5 empty judging by the map in their site...

The ones in red colour are already sold and in hands of second markets... if they don't sell them, they would be probably empty too.

https://www1.ticketmaster.com/mark-knopfler-new-york-new-york-09-25-2019/event/3B0056A895A21354?camefrom=CFC_MSG
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jbaent on August 26, 2019, 01:33:52 PM
Just a curiosity, a comparation betwen arenas...

The one in Antwerp is in the top 15 of the world!
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jbaent on August 26, 2019, 03:50:17 PM
To all of you that are attending thd next shows in North America...

Any chance that you go early to the venue, when they soundcheck, and try if you can listen from the outside what they are playing?

Just in case someone can listen what they are rehearsing for New York!
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: jbaent on September 06, 2019, 01:32:06 PM
From a very very selfish point of view, I'm relieved that the set stayed the same in the NA leg of the tour.

After attending 7 concerts of the European leg, I was fearing of MK adding something new like "trapper", "back on the dancefloor" or anything else, and missing it, like happened last tour that I missed "OES" that was only played in NA.

I tried to make plans for one of the NA shows this tour just in case anything like that happened, but it was impossible for me, so I won't go to NA at all.

Now that I know that the set remains the same, I have to say that I'm happy as I don't miss anything new. 7 concerts are really a lot for me, actually, they are more than enough!

I know that is likely something happens in the last show at the more than empty MSG in NYC, but I'm under the impression that is going to be dissapointing anyway, less than we expect... so I don't feel I'll be missing anything anyway.

Again, all this from a very selfish point of view!
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: holaknopfler on September 06, 2019, 04:08:24 PM
From a very very selfish point of view, I'm relieved that the set stayed the same in the NA leg of the tour.

After attending 7 concerts of the European leg, I was fearing of MK adding something new like "trapper", "back on the dancefloor" or anything else, and missing it, like happened last tour that I missed "OES" that was only played in NA.

I tried to make plans for one of the NA shows this tour just in case anything like that happened, but it was impossible for me, so I won't go to NA at all.

Now that I know that the set remains the same, I have to say that I'm happy as I don't miss anything new. 7 concerts are really a lot for me, actually, they are more than enough!

I know that is likely something happens in the last show at the more than empty MSG in NYC, but I'm under the impression that is going to be dissapointing anyway, less than we expect... so I don't feel I'll be missing anything anyway.

Again, all this from a very selfish point of view!

I fear I have to agree with you
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: Dutchessy on September 07, 2019, 07:25:22 AM
Me too  :-X
Title: Re: The US leg is coming... do you expect anything new?
Post by: dmg on September 07, 2019, 11:22:25 AM


I know that is likely something happens in the last show at the more than empty MSG in NYC, but I'm under the impression that is going to be dissapointing anyway, less than we expect... so I don't feel I'll be missing anything anyway.


There is no doubt in my mind it will be an older song the band are familiar with such as Prairie Wedding or something.  They are unlikely to rehearse a brand new song only to play it on the last show of the tour, so you're absolutely right in your assessment.