Post by: dmg on September 25, 2019, 02:01:31 PM
I don't think I could stand a setlist like this one again to be honest. Apart from MFN there was nothing really exciting in it at all. WAM was nice but Mark didn’t want to play any more than 5 second passages during the coda (same as West). If I hear CBC one more time I’ll scream. Granted, Philadelphia was well performed this tour but not an exciting song. West had potential but was ultimately underwhelming. R&J has a shorter and poorly performed final solo, weak vocals and with the famous National missing sounded all wrong. Bacon Roll is okay until the vocals end then you wonder if the song will ever end because you feel uncomfortable not knowing whether to clap or not if people around you are/aren’t. A few fillers to give him a seat at this point although Bonaparte is always nice at the show IMO. YLT is embarrassingly tame compared to the studio version. The novelty of Postcards wears thin after a few listens and his vocal on this is rather appropriately “posted in”. OES became better as his playing became sharper - great song. Same applies for Speedway except it isn’t a great song and has become boring. Not a closer and people weren’t sure to give an ovation or not until he removed the guitar and waved goodbye; clear sign it isn’t a strong enough song to be a closer. Piper had zero lead guitar this tour - eh? What’s going on? Sax, trumpets and all sorts with Mark backing them up virtually inaudibly. BIA was well done this tour and should’ve been played every show. Going Home - it’s a Strat song.
Any future tour isn't going to be "better" in terms of the songs that made the man or that play to his strengths. You can probably forget about BIA and Speedway next time too.
Post by: jbaent on September 25, 2019, 02:13:49 PM
His playing is not going to improve by obvious reasons so I won't expect anything better, in terms of going back in time. He would never play TR or SOS better than he already did the pasts tours, or not even close, that's why he dropped them, so I will take the MK solo artist, that has plenty of good songs, not needing DS songs at all.
So, yes, I want another tour, but I don't mind having a week at the RAH like Clapton does (well, he does between 3 and 5 concerts).
Post by: Pottel on September 25, 2019, 02:20:41 PM
Honestly, I would love a show with songs like "Heart full of holes" or "Matchstick man" kind of songs instead of "Telegraphs", "Tunnels" or "Sultans", but it has to be done in proper venues for that kind of sets...Kinda agree
His playing is not going to improve by obvious reasons so I won't expect anything better, in terms of going back in time. He would never play TR or SOS better than he already did the pasts tours, or not even close, that's why he dropped them, so I will take the MK solo artist, that has plenty of good songs, not needing DS songs at all.
So, yes, I want another tour, but I don't mind having a week at the RAH like Clapton does (well, he does between 3 and 5 concerts).
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Post by: dmg on September 25, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
Honestly, I would love a show with songs like "Heart full of holes" or "Matchstick man" kind of songs instead of "Telegraphs", "Tunnels" or "Sultans", but it has to be done in proper venues for that kind of sets...
His playing is not going to improve by obvious reasons so I won't expect anything better, in terms of going back in time. He would never play TR or SOS better than he already did the pasts tours, or not even close, that's why he dropped them, so I will take the MK solo artist, that has plenty of good songs, not needing DS songs at all.
So, yes, I want another tour, but I don't mind having a week at the RAH like Clapton does (well, he does between 3 and 5 concerts).
That would send me to sleep. Mark cannot sustain a show of songs like that as he does not have a voice. These are filler songs so that he can have a rest and a seat.
Post by: Pottel on September 25, 2019, 02:25:19 PM
As mentioned, depends on the venue, and the band, and yes, the right songsHonestly, I would love a show with songs like "Heart full of holes" or "Matchstick man" kind of songs instead of "Telegraphs", "Tunnels" or "Sultans", but it has to be done in proper venues for that kind of sets...
His playing is not going to improve by obvious reasons so I won't expect anything better, in terms of going back in time. He would never play TR or SOS better than he already did the pasts tours, or not even close, that's why he dropped them, so I will take the MK solo artist, that has plenty of good songs, not needing DS songs at all.
So, yes, I want another tour, but I don't mind having a week at the RAH like Clapton does (well, he does between 3 and 5 concerts).
That would send me to sleep. Mark cannot sustain a show of songs like that as he does not have a voice. These are filler songs so that he can have a rest and a seat.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Post by: hunter on September 25, 2019, 02:39:37 PM
A tour with a similar setlist to the current one, only maybe slower, and with an older, weaker Mark? Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer to cherish the good memories.
Post by: superval99 on September 25, 2019, 03:11:17 PM
Honestly, I would love a show with songs like "Heart full of holes" or "Matchstick man" kind of songs instead of "Telegraphs", "Tunnels" or "Sultans", but it has to be done in proper venues for that kind of sets...
His playing is not going to improve by obvious reasons so I won't expect anything better, in terms of going back in time. He would never play TR or SOS better than he already did the pasts tours, or not even close, that's why he dropped them, so I will take the MK solo artist, that has plenty of good songs, not needing DS songs at all.
So, yes, I want another tour, but I don't mind having a week at the RAH like Clapton does (well, he does between 3 and 5 concerts).
I would love a show with the kind of songs from the middle part of the set list. That was the part that I really looked forward to hearing and I didn't find it boring in the least. I loved My Bacon Roll, especially the long outro, also Matchstick Man, HFOH and YLT was great too. I am tired of WAM and CBC, but I thought STP was stunning in most cases and I still love R&J! Also I do think MK has a voice, a really lovely voice, especially for this type of song.
These kind of songs need to be heard in an intimate venue, so that's what I would like if MK tours again.
Post by: Elin N on September 25, 2019, 03:22:30 PM
Honestly, I would love a show with songs like "Heart full of holes" or "Matchstick man" kind of songs instead of "Telegraphs", "Tunnels" or "Sultans", but it has to be done in proper venues for that kind of sets...
His playing is not going to improve by obvious reasons so I won't expect anything better, in terms of going back in time. He would never play TR or SOS better than he already did the pasts tours, or not even close, that's why he dropped them, so I will take the MK solo artist, that has plenty of good songs, not needing DS songs at all.
So, yes, I want another tour, but I don't mind having a week at the RAH like Clapton does (well, he does between 3 and 5 concerts).
I never thought I would agree with you ;) :) Is his playing getting faster? no. I honestly don't understand why people are still waiting for that. Does he still have BEAUTIFUL, great preformed songs? Yes.
Post by: kaleo74 on September 25, 2019, 03:27:12 PM
Mark's genius is in there, never playing the same thing as in the studio, now, whether he plays guitar solos or not, I think we know that Mark no longer wants to be catalogued as a virtuoso guitarist but as an author/composer/story teller which gives me a new perspective and another way to see him.
It's true that I still have goosbumps when he throws a little solo here and there, but I understood that we had to respect our hero's choice. The set list has been changed for this tour and it suits me, I would have liked him to play Silveretown blues and Brothers in arms more often, but for me, the overall result of this tour is very positive, I think Mark didn't expect to be so acclaimed after all these years, he found that he still has many fans and in every way, releasing an album is expensive and it doesn't pay the bills so I still wait for him on the road with great pleasure lol ... I want to go bananas !
Post by: Pottel on September 25, 2019, 03:34:11 PM
yes I would like another tour simply to discover the arrangements of the new songs after the release of a new album.Too bad Ou normally only get one or two songs from the new record
Mark's genius is in there, never playing the same thing as in the studio, now, whether he plays guitar solos or not, I think we know that Mark no longer wants to be catalogued as a virtuoso guitarist but as an author/composer/story teller which gives me a new perspective and another way to see him.
It's true that I still have goosbumps when he throws a little solo here and there, but I understood that we had to respect our hero's choice. The set list has been changed for this tour and it suits me, I would have liked him to play Silveretown blues and Brothers in arms more often, but for me, the overall result of this tour is very positive, I think Mark didn't expect to be so acclaimed after all these years, he found that he still has many fans and in every way, releasing an album is expensive and it doesn't pay the bills so I still wait for him on the road with great pleasure lol ... I want to go bananas !
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Post by: JF on September 25, 2019, 05:09:46 PM
Going Home - it’s a Strat song.
well, you say that because we all have Alchemy in mind, but don't forget that on the original studio version, although it's the schecter strat, it has a full overdrived sound, while the intro is likely on acoustic
so on live versions, he had to choose : clean sound to fit the first part of the song, or heavy saturated sound to fit the second part, like he did in 96
I think that both choices are relevant
Post by: dmg on September 25, 2019, 05:13:31 PM
Going Home - it’s a Strat song.
well, you say that because we all have Alchemy in mind, but don't forget that on the original studio version, although it's the schecter strat, it has a full overdrived sound, while the intro is likely on acoustic
so on live versions, he had to choose : clean sound to fit the first part of the song, or heavy saturated sound to fit the second part, like he did in 96
I think that both choices are relevant
Of course, and the first part sounds almost amateurish and clumsy played on the LP. Played on the Strat you get a real Knopfler sound and then turn it up for the finale. Of course the Schecter Strat would be my preference but these guitars have had their day as far as Mark is concerned I think.
Post by: JF on September 25, 2019, 05:44:53 PM
Going Home - it’s a Strat song.
well, you say that because we all have Alchemy in mind, but don't forget that on the original studio version, although it's the schecter strat, it has a full overdrived sound, while the intro is likely on acoustic
so on live versions, he had to choose : clean sound to fit the first part of the song, or heavy saturated sound to fit the second part, like he did in 96
I think that both choices are relevant
Of course, and the first part sounds almost amateurish and clumsy played on the LP. Played on the Strat you get a real Knopfler sound and then turn it up for the finale. Of course the Schecter Strat would be my preference but these guitars have had their day as far as Mark is concerned I think.
Well my point is not really about guitar models, but more about tone, whatever guitar he uses
on Alchemy for example, the outro don't have the heavy sound like on studio version, and it lacks a little power imho
I must admit I like both : alchemy style for the stratish sound, and also 96 versions, for the song outro, with the LP which sounds great imho, it has more power than the strat, and it is closer to the spirit of the original version (although not the same guitar)
The "good" choice would have been a strat, but with an overdrive stompbox for the second part, like he did on Boom like that in 2005, but the man has neve been a stompbox man
Post by: Jarle on September 25, 2019, 07:58:40 PM
Post by: kaleo74 on September 25, 2019, 08:57:40 PM
From reading on this forum during the last year it is clear to me that people have very different opinions (naturally) about Mark´s performance on this tour. Some of you seem to be disappointed about what you see and hear, and while that is completely fine, it does not necessarily mean that Mark has changed or gotten old – the changes could be in you. True love will never fade for sure, but one must be honest and say that passion may fade over time. So, if you don´t longer get the kick, the feelings or whatever you are looking for at Mark´s shows, I don´t think it is fair to only point the finger at him. Time moves on for all of us, and you may have changed too. The fact that Mark´s shows doesn’t give you what it used to do doesn’t mean that it’s not there. You may just don’t see it anymore… I am one of the lucky ones, though. I still see it. So yes, I want another tour.
Agree 100%, we must have changed too, the passion is still alive but just like you, I moved on but I'm still a strong promoter of the Knopflerism :)
Post by: rmarques821 on September 25, 2019, 09:53:00 PM
Why hasn't Are We In Trouble Now never been performed since like 2002? One of Mark's best solos in my view.
The Long Highway is another example. He could play it with an acoustic just like the Timothy White version in 1992.
Before Gas and TV, You and Your Friend (wouldn't it be fantastic with the LP?), So Far From The Clyde, Back On The Dance Floor, One Song at a Time (!!), Don't Suck Me In, Ride Across The River (good for the folkies and sax)
Yet he keeps playing the same songs (Paraguay, Speedway, Corned Beef City (please go away already!)
Anyway, I still respect his choices and I will still buy a ticket to see him. ;D
Post by: quizzaciously on September 25, 2019, 10:00:50 PM
Mark's choice of songs is a bit odd in my opinion.
Why hasn't Are We In Trouble Now never been performed since like 2002? One of Mark's best solos in my view.
The Long Highway is another example. He could play it with an acoustic just like the Timothy White version in 1992.
Before Gas and TV, You and Your Friend (wouldn't it be fantastic with the LP?), So Far From The Clyde, Back On The Dance Floor, One Song at a Time (!!), Don't Suck Me In, Ride Across The River (good for the folkies and sax)
Yet he keeps playing the same songs (Paraguay, Speedway, Corned Beef City (please go away already!)
Anyway, I still respect his choices and I will still buy a ticket to see him. ;D
Oh man, Are We In Trouble Now... Not only it's one of the best solos ever, he actually used this song as an example of "when I don't have more words to sing, maybe the guitar has" and it's quite astonishing such a gem got so little stage time. Pretty easy song to play, too, soloing and backing-wise, and it's country!
You and Your Friend is one of my favourite Mark's songs all the way from my first listen, certainly a monster live song to play. And it's a simple blues song!
So yes, choice of songs is questionable to say the least. Given the time 1 song takes in the setlist, given the small number of songs... Better to spice it up.
Post by: straitsway75 on September 25, 2019, 11:30:19 PM
I'll explain.
I have reason to think that whoever writes here is a true Mark music fan, that Mark is the absolute favorite artist, for me it is so.
Is a objective fact that Mark is in a very compromised physical phase that that does not give him the chance to expressing as he would like, he said it and made it clear to all of us at all this year's concerts.
I don't know how many of you have seen Phil Collins recently, extremely respectable and really sorry for him, but I would never want to see Mark in those conditions, he doesn't deserve it.
Mark now suffers, this is the truth.
It would be too selfish for us to ask him again to try again in a couple of years or so, to let Guy tell us that “this is the best concert of all time”?
This is not something magical that you still feel or not. It is objective to say that some tracks are fillers and that his solos are reduced to the bone by now.
I can only say thanks to Mark for everything, and the regret of seeing him at his age in these conditions while other artists at his age can still have fun, it makes me very sad. but life is also this and it must be accepted both for good things and for bad things, it applies to everyone and also to Mark.
Then if he decides in the future to do a dozen evenings here and there, so be it, but don't tell me that you would be satisfied with a set list like the current one, I wouldn't believe it. If you have to do a small series of concerts for your fans and also to have fun you will have to play 'the right songs… I like Postcards live but stop now, same think for Beef city, Bonaparte, Latest Trick…..I would like ear things like Water of love & Rudiger and so on (the list is really huge).
Now in a few hours there will be the last concert of this tour and for those who will have the good fortune to attend I believe that for them it will be a memorable date…. applause, tears and emotions …and the great music of Mark Knopfler :clap :clap :clap
Post by: quizzaciously on September 26, 2019, 09:06:29 AM
It's such a strange move, stranger than his setlist choices to me. It's plain being uncertain and as if he doesn't know about his own plans.
From what he insists and Guy insists the plan now is to record a new album and to embark on yet another big tour... :hmm
Post by: jbaent on September 26, 2019, 09:18:41 AM
I thought about it today again and I still don't get it. Why Mark said "goodbye" in the beginning of the tour so only to end it with "I'll play till I'm dead" thing?
It's such a strange move, stranger than his setlist choices to me. It's plain being uncertain and as if he doesn't know about his own plans.
From what he insists and Guy insists the plan now is to record a new album and to embark on yet another big tour... :hmm
It's the speculation we had since the very beguining of the tour... at the firsts concerts it looked like something was wrong with him, like having any health issue or whatever, that maybe made him feel like he really should retire. Apparently he's been feeling better and changed the speech, from "this is a goodbye" to "I should retire but I love this so I'll do it until I fell over"
Post by: hunter on September 26, 2019, 09:54:13 AM
I'm certain he has one or maybe two more tours in him, maybe even big tours, provided that he takes good care of himself and schedules things more realistically.
Post by: jbaent on September 26, 2019, 10:26:19 AM
If there is going to be any new record with a small tour or series of concerts, I think that it depends on the Local Hero Musical. The London run would be on june 2020 and they want to record a cast album for it, depending on his involvement in the London run and the cast record, he would focus on that or in a new record.
Or maybe he does like with last years, working in both at the same time, as the musical, unless they choose new actors, is more or less ready, they only need some rehearsals to remember the play.
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 26, 2019, 10:30:34 AM
Post by: Dutchessy on September 26, 2019, 11:11:21 AM
Post by: dmg on September 26, 2019, 11:34:27 AM
After touring and playing live for so many years, I can understand him wanting to keep touring, maybe at the start of the tour he was thinking abut ending it because of health reasons, not because he is fed up touring, he has said many times, he enjoys all aspects of his working life: writing songs, recording the album, and playing live, so to give up one would be hard or strange to him. I am sure he also loves the adulation of the adoring audience at the live shows, who wouldn't? But also, isn't he entitled to just changed his mind?
I would agree more with this. Life on the road must be nice with the adoring audiences and playing music with old friends. However, once he's stopped touring for a couple of years it may be difficult to start even thinking about it again. He was in bad shape at the start (for whatever reason) of this tour and thought it would be the last so who knows if he will want to be bothered next time. For a start he will need to be in better shape before he even feels like touring I reckon.
Post by: straitsway75 on September 26, 2019, 12:30:16 PM
arrogant no please, we are talkin about music.
Then if he decides in the future to do a dozen evenings here and there, so be it, but don't tell me that you would be satisfied with a set list like the current one, I wouldn't believe it. If you have to do a small series of concerts for your fans and also to have fun you will have to play 'the right songs… I like Postcards live but stop now, same think for Beef city, Bonaparte, Latest Trick…..I would like ear things like Water of love & Rudiger and so on (the list is really huge).
Wow, that is the most arrogant thing I have read in a while. How can you claim that I am will not be satisfied with his stunning, beatiful songs that can move me to tears. I would absolutely love it! I would smile and have the best time :D I loved to hear Postcards and the others, 5 times.
Another thing I don't understand from people here, is the overwhelming desire to mock Guy at every possible occation, saying that he thinks every show is the best. Does he now? Don't think so.
If for you is ok a set list like this, that for many fans is boring, I am happy for you
Guy, FOR ME, is only a great keydoard player stop....
if you had to ask which of Mark's tours you prefer, you would answer this or stuff like Shangri la tour,when his presence on the guitar was more tangible....I was referring to this
:wave
Post by: hunter on September 26, 2019, 12:42:10 PM
Post by: hunter on September 26, 2019, 12:45:40 PM
Aha, so since he is just the keyboard player, he is worthless to you :hmm The song as a whole is what matter to me, not the amount of guitarsolos.
Say what?
Post by: dmg on September 26, 2019, 12:47:26 PM
Guy's response that whatever they are doing currently is the "best" may be true, for him, but very likely he's just being loyal to his employer. Guy knows he is supremely lucky to be in his position. Without this, he'd probably be out there with Chris White and Alan Clark and the rest of them.
Guy will be alongside them now because Back on the Dancefloor was never played on the tour and he said he'd "I'll leave the band" if it wasn't played.
Post by: vr46mk on September 26, 2019, 02:51:04 PM
Guy's response that whatever they are doing currently is the "best" may be true, for him, but very likely he's just being loyal to his employer. Guy knows he is supremely lucky to be in his position. Without this, he'd probably be out there with Chris White and Alan Clark and the rest of them.
Guy will be alongside them now because Back on the Dancefloor was never played on the tour and he said he'd "I'll leave the band" if it wasn't played.
Yes correct. Do you think he will stick to that? :lol
Post by: wespresso on September 26, 2019, 03:40:14 PM
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 26, 2019, 04:15:26 PM
To answer your question: most definitely. Just to be able to see the man and his fabulous band is a treat. No matter if he plays the same stuff again.
Yep, I agree....
Post by: wakeywakey on September 26, 2019, 05:14:28 PM
A 50% version of MK is most definitely better than nothing.
Once he's gone he's gone and the void would be enormous.
Post by: Pottel on September 26, 2019, 05:51:40 PM
And before he started to work in the musical, he had some time off since he finished the Tracker tour.He does have his own state of the art studio after all
If there is going to be any new record with a small tour or series of concerts, I think that it depends on the Local Hero Musical. The London run would be on june 2020 and they want to record a cast album for it, depending on his involvement in the London run and the cast record, he would focus on that or in a new record.
Or maybe he does like with last years, working in both at the same time, as the musical, unless they choose new actors, is more or less ready, they only need some rehearsals to remember the play.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Post by: Pottel on September 26, 2019, 05:54:10 PM
I find this question to be a bit like:Would you like to see your deceased sibling/parent/friend again?Agree. I will keep returning to his shows. Even if he only farts on his guitar for two hours straight
A 50% version of MK is most definitely better than nothing.
Once he's gone he's gone and the void would be enormous.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Post by: quizzaciously on September 26, 2019, 06:10:39 PM
I find this question to be a bit like:Would you like to see your deceased sibling/parent/friend again?Agree. I will keep returning to his shows. Even if he only farts on his guitar for two hours straight
A 50% version of MK is most definitely better than nothing.
Once he's gone he's gone and the void would be enormous.
Mark loves boxers and to me a musician is like a boxer — looks too bad if you’re not prepared. I feel physical pain every time I see an old musician who struggle, who can’t sing, etc., come on, have a nerve to stop it or to tone it down at least. It’s like if in his 30s Mark would go on 5 show tour and be like: I want more time to be with my family. A 70 year old embarking on another 86-shows tour feels exactly the same.
That’s why I CAN’T WAIT for what he will offer after this tour. It can’t be a huge world tour again. It just can’t, or else I can’t imagine the amount of negativity it will receive. If he does “an odd show” as he wanted, then I buy it. But another Bonaparte tour... I pass.
Post by: ds1984 on September 26, 2019, 08:24:58 PM
Post by: Pierre on September 26, 2019, 08:28:13 PM
I gave up on long solos a while ago, the songs are everything now, the new songs and the interplay between the musos.
This man has made his way however he's wanted through all these years, always doing what he wanted, choosing whoever he wanted to play with, playing whatever song he wanted, and ultimately embarking us in his journey. He always says he's not an artist because being an artist is something different but he is an artist because of that, and I want more of that.
Post by: Mossguitar on September 26, 2019, 09:30:58 PM
Post by: dmg on September 26, 2019, 10:15:16 PM
Post by: stratocasteph on September 26, 2019, 11:00:07 PM
Maybe an acoustic tour, with a small band, in small venues would be interesting and refreshing, as Mark's rythm guitar is still magic.
Post by: Mossguitar on September 26, 2019, 11:20:02 PM
It seems to me a lot of people are wanting Mark to continue playing simply for their own pleasure. Well of course I would attend any show of his without question but this is hardly the point. I don't want to see him in any poor condition. I don't want him to receive poor reviews. I don't want a setlist where the average attendee will not recognise anything because the songs are so obscure so as to avoid any guitar. The average attendee and, let's face it most of us (even if we don't admit it) want to hear him play. It isn't just myself I am considering but everyone at the shows and most important of all the mans' legacy and reputation. I think this is safe at the moment even though people will question omitting some songs from the set. Next tour, who knows...It’s of course ok to mean what you mean, but I don’t really understand you at all (and that’s perfectly ok too). ;) But his legacy is his whole production. Nothing can take away that, can it? And why care about what you think others think? Why does that count at all? Why does critics count? It’s not a competition or a poll. What’s wrong with old people? Isn’t diversity a good thing? Shouldn’t we encorage that? If MK wants to play, he plays. If you want to attend, you attend. If you want a younger, faster and healthier MK, you listen to old recordings and watch old videos. The old times has been. Now is now.
Post by: dmg on September 26, 2019, 11:43:08 PM
It seems to me a lot of people are wanting Mark to continue playing simply for their own pleasure. Well of course I would attend any show of his without question but this is hardly the point. I don't want to see him in any poor condition. I don't want him to receive poor reviews. I don't want a setlist where the average attendee will not recognise anything because the songs are so obscure so as to avoid any guitar. The average attendee and, let's face it most of us (even if we don't admit it) want to hear him play. It isn't just myself I am considering but everyone at the shows and most important of all the mans' legacy and reputation. I think this is safe at the moment even though people will question omitting some songs from the set. Next tour, who knows...It’s of course ok to mean what you mean, but I don’t really understand you at all (and that’s perfectly ok too). ;) But his legacy is his whole production. Nothing can take away that, can it? And why care about what you think others think? Why does that count at all? Why does critics count? It’s not a competition or a poll. What’s wrong with old people? Isn’t diversity a good thing? Shouldn’t we encorage that? If MK wants to play, he plays. If you want to attend, you attend. If you want a younger, faster and healthier MK, you listen to old recordings and watch old videos. The old times has been. Now is now.
“A man’s only as good as his last picture”. I think this was Douglas Fairbanks.
I care deeply what others think of Mark. I don't want a 'tourist' attending a show then leaving and telling the world my hero is rubbish just because he didn't bring out his guitar.
Post by: wakeywakey on September 27, 2019, 12:34:25 AM
>I care deeply what others think of Mark.
Why?If they don't appreciate his talents so what.
> I don't want a 'tourist' attending a show then leaving and telling the world my hero is rubbish just because he didn't bring out his guitar.
Again why do you care so much?Why is it important for your tastes to be validated by a complete stranger?
For me it is much better to be in an exclusive club than an expansive one.
Post by: Stiglar on September 27, 2019, 02:13:02 AM
I think they did a great job catering to marks strengths, and in my opinion they should’ve done this on the tracker tour as well when he was starting to struggle with the longer solos.
Only change I would make is just one less slow song, MBR,MM and DWB were awesome but to then have YLT and HFOH was just a bit much. I feel a slight change maybe throw in SFA even instead of YLT or throw out HFOH and have 3 encores every night and it wouldnt have dragged leading up to speedway. I was surprised they didn’t use heavy up or just a boy from the new album to trade and create musical climaxes in place of SOS or TR but I guess they had their reasons.
I’m all for another tour if MK wants it. As time goes on it’s all about the songs and despite the lack of guitar you still feel the magic of MK music and I think that’s pretty amazing.
Post by: Mossguitar on September 27, 2019, 06:25:09 AM
That’s just a saying. Absolutely not a fact. And I strongly disagree. My advice to anyone would be: «Do what makes you happy.» «Follow you own dreams, not someone else’s.» «Be youself.» But now I understand why you are saying what you are saying. We think very differently of things, you and I. And that’s coolIt seems to me a lot of people are wanting Mark to continue playing simply for their own pleasure. Well of course I would attend any show of his without question but this is hardly the point. I don't want to see him in any poor condition. I don't want him to receive poor reviews. I don't want a setlist where the average attendee will not recognise anything because the songs are so obscure so as to avoid any guitar. The average attendee and, let's face it most of us (even if we don't admit it) want to hear him play. It isn't just myself I am considering but everyone at the shows and most important of all the mans' legacy and reputation. I think this is safe at the moment even though people will question omitting some songs from the set. Next tour, who knows...It’s of course ok to mean what you mean, but I don’t really understand you at all (and that’s perfectly ok too). ;) But his legacy is his whole production. Nothing can take away that, can it? And why care about what you think others think? Why does that count at all? Why does critics count? It’s not a competition or a poll. What’s wrong with old people? Isn’t diversity a good thing? Shouldn’t we encorage that? If MK wants to play, he plays. If you want to attend, you attend. If you want a younger, faster and healthier MK, you listen to old recordings and watch old videos. The old times has been. Now is now.
“A man’s only as good as his last picture”. I think this was Douglas Fairbanks.
I care deeply what others think of Mark. I don't want a 'tourist' attending a show then leaving and telling the world my hero is rubbish just because he didn't bring out his guitar.
Post by: Jarle on September 27, 2019, 06:57:19 AM
It seems to me a lot of people are wanting Mark to continue playing simply for their own pleasure. Well of course I would attend any show of his without question but this is hardly the point. I don't want to see him in any poor condition. I don't want him to receive poor reviews.
But to me, it now also seems that people wants him to stop playing for their own pleasure. They are afraid they will get their memories ruined. So it is not only about Mark, it is a personal thing. That is also a bit selfish, I think.
Post by: 2manyguitars on September 27, 2019, 08:25:52 AM
It seems to me a lot of people are wanting Mark to continue playing simply for their own pleasure. Well of course I would attend any show of his without question but this is hardly the point. I don't want to see him in any poor condition. I don't want him to receive poor reviews.
But to me, it now also seems that people wants him to stop playing for their own pleasure. They are afraid they will get their memories ruined. So it is not only about Mark, it is a personal thing. That is also a bit selfish, I think.
Absolutely agree.
Some people seem to think that just because we've invested our time and money buying Marks music that he owes us something, a better performance, a different set, a new tour, a return to an older style of music, a longer guitar solo, more practice. Some of us want him to change his lifestyle and get fit, and others want his retirement.
I know that we all care about 'our hero', this man who many on here have never met in person, but this is pure delusion. Mark should and will continue to do what he's always done, do what he wants to do, and please himself. It's what got him to where he is and if it's successful and popular then that's a pure byproduct. If people don't like it then tough, it's not the end of the world, its just music.
Mark could quote Frank Sinatra "I did it my way", so why change now and 'do it our way', after 40 years in the music industry following his heart?
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 27, 2019, 08:47:05 AM
Post by: jbaent on September 27, 2019, 08:55:38 AM
REALLY?
He does just three concerts at the RAH, and some spare dates at the US and maybe in some countries in Europe. In total, the amount of concerts he play per year is less than 20. Some years he just play the three or four concerts at the RAH...
I don't get why some people, in order to defend MK has to attack other artists, and many times with fake reasons like that one.
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 27, 2019, 08:57:08 AM
Post by: superval99 on September 27, 2019, 09:08:35 AM
Post by: jbaent on September 27, 2019, 09:19:02 AM
I am not attacking anyone, maybe Eric does tour less.
But in order to defend your point you need to compare it with Eric, and leaving him in a poor position in a comparation with MK, and that's how you build your defense about MK capacities...
:hmm
Post by: dmg on September 27, 2019, 12:01:17 PM
I am not attacking anyone, maybe Eric does tour less.
But in order to defend your point you need to compare it with Eric, and leaving him in a poor position in a comparation with MK, and that's how you build your defense about MK capacities...
:hmm
Never mind all that, I love your little avatar. I've never seen his fingers move that fast since the Golden Heart tour! :lol
Post by: jbaent on September 27, 2019, 01:20:54 PM
I am not attacking anyone, maybe Eric does tour less.
But in order to defend your point you need to compare it with Eric, and leaving him in a poor position in a comparation with MK, and that's how you build your defense about MK capacities...
:hmm
Never mind all that, I love your little avatar. I've never seen his fingers move that fast since the Golden Heart tour! :lol
I found the small video to do it from a link that Quizzy sent the other day, about the CBS piece of news, I loved it so much that I thought I had to do that avatar and use it!
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 27, 2019, 02:19:52 PM
'Talk of this being Mark’s final tour has been a feature and anyone who has seen recent shows may recognise that no-one on that stage or behind the scenes wants this to be the end. As for what happens next, let’s not worry about that now. Let’s just relish this moment and enjoy life with music in it because ‘a life without music, is no life at all’.
Post by: dmg on September 27, 2019, 02:59:01 PM
Love Guys words from his final diary entry...
'Talk of this being Mark’s final tour has been a feature and anyone who has seen recent shows may recognise that no-one on that stage or behind the scenes wants this to be the end. As for what happens next, let’s not worry about that now. Let’s just relish this moment and enjoy life with music in it because ‘a life without music, is no life at all’.
Clearly Mark hasn't said his goodbyes to the band with the phrase "see you next time." It's then almost certain that even Mark doesn't know if he wants to tour again at this point, even if he does say he want to "play 'till he drops" at his shows. In that case I think it is a little less likely he will be touring again.
Post by: hunter on September 27, 2019, 03:08:50 PM
Post by: superval99 on September 27, 2019, 03:59:51 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on September 27, 2019, 04:10:37 PM
Sadly, I think so too, but maybe some smaller shows in a few selected places? :think
I can bet any of my guitars that Mark will tour again. Just not a big tour, but something like this (how it should be done, really): https://www.vanmorrison.com/live
Not only Van manages to play sold out shows throughout all year (no album title tour formula), he released 6 albums in time Mark did just 1. Way to go, Sir Van.
Post by: ingridswing on September 27, 2019, 04:12:08 PM
I hope we gave enough energy to MK to go on. In this shape he can do it again.
Post by: Rolleyway Man on September 27, 2019, 07:06:31 PM
Post by: Robson on September 27, 2019, 07:47:16 PM
I think a lot of the time, some people just can't or won't accept that Mark has moved on, Dire Straits is now a long and distant memory for Mark, that was the first phase of his career, he has been on the 2nd phase now since 1996. As has been said before, if you want the long guitar hero songs and solo's there is a lot out there to listen to and watch. But Mark is now more happier as a man, and a songwriter, and I am fine with that. So many other artists keep playing in the same way all the time, but Mark doesn't, he dips his toes into so many genres, and adapts his guitar playing accordingly, I always think of Eric Clapton, he is always on stage playing long noodling solo's, and to be honest, that's all he's got, he can't write great songs like Mark, so he has to keep doing the guitar hero thing, so in that way, he hasn't moved forward as an artist. He tours a lot more than Mark, so it's not to much of a big deal to see him play live, but every time Mark tours it's special to me. I never got to see Dire Straits live, I can only imagine how amazing that would have been, but I have been to several of Mark's solo concerts, and I loved just getting to see the man and his guitars in front of me, let only hear him play his wonderful songs. I think Mark is one of the greatest song writers ever, and his guitar playing is unique, his tone and touch are sublime, just look at the way Bonnie Raitt was watching Mark solo, you can see the awe, love and respect she has for his talent. Just look at the videos from this tour, every song was applauded, I didn't hear any booing, at the end of the shows, the applause and cheering was huge, if all those people were not happy with what Mark was doing, they would not have had that reaction. When he does stop playing live, it will be a sad day, but we have many many videos to look back on, and albums of amazing music, lyrics and guitar playing that has enthralled millions of people for decades. I can't speak highly enough of Mark and how he and his music have influenced my life. Just read the comments on YouTube, he is so admired by people young and old, some new to his music, and 99% of the time people love his songs and guitar playing. So, if he tours again, great, I will be there, if he doesn't, thanks for the memories Mark :clap :clap :clap
gjamesfloyd You 'stole' all my words :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Post by: hunter on September 28, 2019, 09:46:22 AM
No "so long!" from Richard either. The future is uncertain as far as touring is concerned.
Update from Richard: I’m already home in Nashville as I peck this out, suitcases unpacked and back up on the shelf ’til next time.
So, either he's being diplomatic, or there hasn't been any definitive word that this was it. Well, time will tell. As always.
Post by: PensaGhost on September 28, 2019, 02:35:47 PM
to a nervous breakdown in the last few months
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 28, 2019, 05:28:48 PM
No "so long!" from Richard either. The future is uncertain as far as touring is concerned.
Update from Richard: I’m already home in Nashville as I peck this out, suitcases unpacked and back up on the shelf ’til next time.
So, either he's being diplomatic, or there hasn't been any definitive word that this was it. Well, time will tell. As always.
Indeed, time will tell.......
Post by: dmg on September 28, 2019, 08:38:26 PM
I must admit that this 'no more MK touring thing' added to my inability to play guitar since 1995 has led much closer
to a nervous breakdown in the last few months
It'll be no time at all before we're talking about the new album.
Post by: border_reiver on September 28, 2019, 11:08:46 PM
I want a new back-to-back tour where he can even out all those gems and neglected should-have-been-obvious-choices that have been left out from setlists since 1996...
And Are we in trouble now? Please, don't try competing for to finding the sleepiest track there's ever been. I prayed you wouldn't get When you leave... ;D
Post by: rmarques821 on September 29, 2019, 01:54:27 PM
I don't want a new album yet.
I want a new back-to-back tour where he can even out all those gems and neglected should-have-been-obvious-choices that have been left out from setlists since 1996...
And Are we in trouble now? Please, don't try competing for to finding the sleepiest track there's ever been. I prayed you wouldn't get When you leave... ;D
I wish we had got it.
Post by: PensaGhost on September 29, 2019, 03:54:54 PM
It would be a stunning record
Post by: jbaent on September 29, 2019, 08:41:49 PM
Don't know why he doesn't release officially like a 2cd/3cd/4cd with selected live stuff from all tours since 1996 in 1 release
It would be a stunning record
It's more likely than a bootlegger does it than MK :smack
Post by: PensaGhost on September 30, 2019, 03:01:34 PM
Don't know why he doesn't release officially like a 2cd/3cd/4cd with selected live stuff from all tours since 1996 in 1 release
It would be a stunning record
It's more likely than a bootlegger does it than MK :smack
I mean with proper engineered sound, not the almost crap official stuff we are hearing for the last few tours
still it's unlikley unfortunately yes :smack
Post by: cannibals on October 02, 2019, 02:36:52 PM
Is this something we could expect for MK’s next tour :think
https://www.whereseric.com/eric-clapton-news/303-eric-claptons-summer-2020-european-tour-dates-announced
Post by: jbaent on October 02, 2019, 04:02:09 PM
Clapton is doing a European summer tour next year.
Is this something we could expect for MK’s next tour :think
https://www.whereseric.com/eric-clapton-news/303-eric-claptons-summer-2020-european-tour-dates-announced
He's playing Russia!!!!!
Post by: quizzaciously on October 02, 2019, 04:07:06 PM
Clapton is doing a European summer tour next year.sic.
Is this something we could expect for MK’s next tour :think
https://www.whereseric.com/eric-clapton-news/303-eric-claptons-summer-2020-european-tour-dates-announced
He's playing Russia!!!!!
That's the way you do it!
Post by: PensaGhost on October 02, 2019, 05:28:29 PM
Clapton is doing a European summer tour next year.
Is this something we could expect for MK’s next tour :think
https://www.whereseric.com/eric-clapton-news/303-eric-claptons-summer-2020-european-tour-dates-announced
actually this seems the usual tough schedule with some empty holes which could/should be filled later
Gilmour's last tour was really light, just some shows here and there, that's what MK should do
Post by: privinvest on October 13, 2019, 09:42:14 PM
Post by: 2manyguitars on October 13, 2019, 10:01:13 PM
Question: Which songs in general and which performances in particular were better than their studio versions? Some may prefer to use the word "different" rather than "better" but I'm afraid, although there were some isolated moments of brilliance, Mark's live songs are not better than their originals anymore. In the past, they were both a) different, b) longer and often c) "better". Not anymore. And it's a legitimate concern. Age obviously is the main factor, but his preferences, too. I think he's still a very very good recording musician, and he has at least two good studio recordings in him, I'm afraid he's no longer a long tour man anymore. Another thing, maybe the songs he record now are not suited to play in arenas, big concert halls. Though I'm not sure about this last point.
That's a really interesting point for debate.
For me, MKs live work hasn't been as good as studio for some while, at least the last 2 or 3 tours. I haven't liked some of his guitar tone choices at times, some of the better album songs don't get an outing at all, and lots of what does seems to get at times a basic arrangement with very little extra or new parts developed as you said.
I just wonder though if Mark feels like he's getting more time in the studio to bring songs to a place where he's happy with them. I mean by his own admission, lots of the older stuff was badly recorded, and hastily produced, to the point where you'd have to tie him to a chair to get him to listen to them!
Let me put it another way. We all know that MK is unique (as stated by many collaborators) in that more often than not he arrives in the studio knowing exactly what he wants for a song and how it should sound. I don't know anyone else in recording history who has that level of preparation, most artists use the recording process itself as a creative tool.
The DS albums, perhaps even some early solo work may be regarded as Mark learning how to make a record, learning how to translate what he hears in his head onto a recorded medium.
Maybe the lack of live development of the songs is because he feels they're already there if you know what I mean.
I'm not saying he's right all the time, after all this is art and will always be open to interpretation....
Post by: hunter on October 14, 2019, 01:25:40 PM
Question: Which songs in general and which performances in particular were better than their studio versions? Some may prefer to use the word "different" rather than "better" but I'm afraid, although there were some isolated moments of brilliance, Mark's live songs are not better than their originals anymore. In the past, they were both a) different, b) longer and often c) "better". Not anymore. And it's a legitimate concern. Age obviously is the main factor, but his preferences, too. I think he's still a very very good recording musician, and he has at least two good studio recordings in him, I'm afraid he's no longer a long tour man anymore. Another thing, maybe the songs he record now are not suited to play in arenas, big concert halls. Though I'm not sure about this last point.
Not an answer to your question, but I agree with all of your observations.
Post by: neco on October 14, 2019, 01:51:01 PM
Post by: jeffreyvr on October 14, 2019, 01:54:00 PM
I think there are a lot of songs that are better than the studio versions. For example, matchstick man (more complex arrangement) and my bacon roll (powerful lead guitar) were great live, but also older songs like Why aye man, sailing to philadelphia and speedway really outshined their studio versions in my opinion.
Certainly agree on My Bacon Roll!
Post by: Robson on October 14, 2019, 02:03:23 PM
Post by: skydiver on October 14, 2019, 03:03:02 PM
I think there are a lot of songs that are better than the studio versions. For example, matchstick man (more complex arrangement) and my bacon roll (powerful lead guitar) were great live, but also older songs like Why aye man, sailing to philadelphia and speedway really outshined their studio versions in my opinion.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Post by: dmg on October 14, 2019, 03:18:37 PM
Question: Which songs in general and which performances in particular were better than their studio versions? Some may prefer to use the word "different" rather than "better" but I'm afraid, although there were some isolated moments of brilliance, Mark's live songs are not better than their originals anymore. In the past, they were both a) different, b) longer and often c) "better". Not anymore. And it's a legitimate concern. Age obviously is the main factor, but his preferences, too. I think he's still a very very good recording musician, and he has at least two good studio recordings in him, I'm afraid he's no longer a long tour man anymore. Another thing, maybe the songs he record now are not suited to play in arenas, big concert halls. Though I'm not sure about this last point.
Interesting points. I would agree probably that most, if not all of his more recent songs (last few albums) have little to no development for the live arena, and they do not benefit from being played live at all really.
Bacon Roll had an annoying outro merely to add some audience participation but actually added proved to add an uncomfortable moment during the show when nobody around you was clapping. I just want to watch and listen to good music! It was also rather 'empty' sounding during the vocal part with a distinct lack of...well, music! Basically Mark speaking the lyrics with the occasional near silent fill (hand movements visible) to the backing of a restrained Ianto. Nothing compared to the album version.
Other songs have been played as per the album but with his increasingly weary, mumbling vocal. I was listening to MFN from 1985 yesterday and his vocal back then, by comparison, was terrific! So much energy. I realise he's older now but this is the question, isn't it.
Post by: superval99 on October 14, 2019, 03:48:40 PM
I think there are a lot of songs that are better than the studio versions. For example, matchstick man (more complex arrangement) and my bacon roll (powerful lead guitar) were great live, but also older songs like Why aye man, sailing to philadelphia and speedway really outshined their studio versions in my opinion.
I agree with all that you have mentioned and I particularly liked My Bacon Roll, especially the solo part and the outro, which I looked forward to hearing every time. I loved that crashing chord towards the end! STP was really beautiful on this tour too. Another song I enjoyed better than the album version is Coyote and although I like the simple studio version of Marbletown I really loved the long live versions (sorry dmg) - it always received great applause from the audiences. There are also many TRs that I like more than the studio version too.
Post by: wakeywakey on October 14, 2019, 06:40:27 PM
I think there are a lot of songs that are better than the studio versions. For example, matchstick man (more complex arrangement) and my bacon roll (powerful lead guitar) were great live, but also older songs like Why aye man, sailing to philadelphia and speedway really outshined their studio versions in my opinion.
Sorry but how on earth is Danny a better singer than James Taylor?
On most of the recordings I have heard Danny spoils STP.
It's a beautiful song and the 2019 arrangement is stunning-except for Dan who isn't the man on this song.
I agree that the other songs are better live and would add CBC-although this isn't a particularly good song to begin with.
Post by: Robson on October 14, 2019, 07:45:53 PM
Post by: dmg on October 14, 2019, 10:41:15 PM
dmg we clapped we clapped:)
I felt downright uncomfortable. ::)
Post by: Robson on October 15, 2019, 12:10:55 AM
Post by: Lis on October 15, 2019, 07:22:45 AM
I think a lot of the time, some people just can't or won't accept that Mark has moved on, Dire Straits is now a long and distant memory for Mark, that was the first phase of his career, he has been on the 2nd phase now since 1996. As has been said before, if you want the long guitar hero songs and solo's there is a lot out there to listen to and watch. But Mark is now more happier as a man, and a songwriter, and I am fine with that. So many other artists keep playing in the same way all the time, but Mark doesn't, he dips his toes into so many genres, and adapts his guitar playing accordingly, I always think of Eric Clapton, he is always on stage playing long noodling solo's, and to be honest, that's all he's got, he can't write great songs like Mark, so he has to keep doing the guitar hero thing, so in that way, he hasn't moved forward as an artist. He tours a lot more than Mark, so it's not to much of a big deal to see him play live, but every time Mark tours it's special to me. I never got to see Dire Straits live, I can only imagine how amazing that would have been, but I have been to several of Mark's solo concerts, and I loved just getting to see the man and his guitars in front of me, let only hear him play his wonderful songs. I think Mark is one of the greatest song writers ever, and his guitar playing is unique, his tone and touch are sublime, just look at the way Bonnie Raitt was watching Mark solo, you can see the awe, love and respect she has for his talent. Just look at the videos from this tour, every song was applauded, I didn't hear any booing, at the end of the shows, the applause and cheering was huge, if all those people were not happy with what Mark was doing, they would not have had that reaction. When he does stop playing live, it will be a sad day, but we have many many videos to look back on, and albums of amazing music, lyrics and guitar playing that has enthralled millions of people for decades. I can't speak highly enough of Mark and how he and his music have influenced my life. Just read the comments on YouTube, he is so admired by people young and old, some new to his music, and 99% of the time people love his songs and guitar playing. So, if he tours again, great, I will be there, if he doesn't, thanks for the memories Mark :clap :clap :clapFully agree!
Post by: Pottel on October 15, 2019, 10:49:17 AM
fully agree. love danny to bits, but pls no more stp...I think there are a lot of songs that are better than the studio versions. For example, matchstick man (more complex arrangement) and my bacon roll (powerful lead guitar) were great live, but also older songs like Why aye man, sailing to philadelphia and speedway really outshined their studio versions in my opinion.
Sorry but how on earth is Danny a better singer than James Taylor?
On most of the recordings I have heard Danny spoils STP.
It's a beautiful song and the 2019 arrangement is stunning-except for Dan who isn't the man on this song.
I agree that the other songs are better live and would add CBC-although this isn't a particularly good song to begin with.
Post by: Pottel on October 17, 2019, 06:29:15 PM
https://youtu.be/lwxYVMQ5ILM
Post by: hunter on October 18, 2019, 11:35:58 AM
also, if mark should finally get off his arse and go bold, he could invite this fella:
https://youtu.be/lwxYVMQ5ILM (https://youtu.be/lwxYVMQ5ILM)
Invite both of them!
Post by: PensaGhost on October 18, 2019, 01:28:24 PM
Post by: Pierre on October 20, 2019, 01:47:16 PM
Imagine an album and tour with MarkK + DavidG + EricC
I love the three of them but they have too different world.
I don't want a Gilmour solo on a MK song and I can't imagine a concert where Speedway would be followed by Comfortably.
Clapton's style is closer to MK's but there again it's really blues oriented and I don't want the both of them together for an entire MK concert.
When Clapton replaced Gilmour in the 80ies and became Waters' sideman, there was something wrong I think. He is not just a guitar player who is going to copy, change his sound etc.. he is Clapton and it felt like he was playing on the wrong band.
MK writes songs and sings them, he is the entire package. A guest appearance is fine but no more than that.
An acoustic performance I'm not saying
That's just my opinion.
Post by: hunter on October 20, 2019, 07:50:52 PM
Imagine an album and tour with MarkK + DavidG + EricC
I love the three of them but they have too different world.
I don't want a Gilmour solo on a MK song and I can't imagine a concert where Speedway would be followed by Comfortably.
Clapton's style is closer to MK's but there again it's really blues oriented and I don't want the both of them together for an entire MK concert.
When Clapton replaced Gilmour in the 80ies and became Waters' sideman, there was something wrong I think. He is not just a guitar player who is going to copy, change his sound etc.. he is Clapton and it felt like he was playing on the wrong band.
MK writes songs and sings them, he is the entire package. A guest appearance is fine but no more than that.
An acoustic performance I'm not saying
That's just my opinion.
If there is no personal chemistry between them, a musical collaboration would probably be unsuccessful. But let's say they got along well, were able to put aside their egos, I think it would make no sense for them to play each others' music. I think it would have to be a "roots" project. I'd love to hear their interpretations of old blues and folk songs.
Post by: Pottel on October 20, 2019, 08:23:11 PM
Agree.Imagine an album and tour with MarkK + DavidG + EricC
I love the three of them but they have too different world.
I don't want a Gilmour solo on a MK song and I can't imagine a concert where Speedway would be followed by Comfortably.
Clapton's style is closer to MK's but there again it's really blues oriented and I don't want the both of them together for an entire MK concert.
When Clapton replaced Gilmour in the 80ies and became Waters' sideman, there was something wrong I think. He is not just a guitar player who is going to copy, change his sound etc.. he is Clapton and it felt like he was playing on the wrong band.
MK writes songs and sings them, he is the entire package. A guest appearance is fine but no more than that.
An acoustic performance I'm not saying
That's just my opinion.
If there is no personal chemistry between them, a musical collaboration would probably be unsuccessful. But let's say they got along well, were able to put aside their egos, I think it would make no sense for them to play each others' music. I think it would have to be a "roots" project. I'd love to hear their interpretations of old blues and folk songs.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Post by: wakeywakey on October 20, 2019, 09:46:50 PM
Agree.Imagine an album and tour with MarkK + DavidG + EricC
I love the three of them but they have too different world.
I don't want a Gilmour solo on a MK song and I can't imagine a concert where Speedway would be followed by Comfortably.
Clapton's style is closer to MK's but there again it's really blues oriented and I don't want the both of them together for an entire MK concert.
When Clapton replaced Gilmour in the 80ies and became Waters' sideman, there was something wrong I think. He is not just a guitar player who is going to copy, change his sound etc.. he is Clapton and it felt like he was playing on the wrong band.
MK writes songs and sings them, he is the entire package. A guest appearance is fine but no more than that.
An acoustic performance I'm not saying
That's just my opinion.
If there is no personal chemistry between them, a musical collaboration would probably be unsuccessful. But let's say they got along well, were able to put aside their egos, I think it would make no sense for them to play each others' music. I think it would have to be a "roots" project. I'd love to hear their interpretations of old blues and folk songs.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
No thanks to anything with Gilmour.never understood the appeal of his solo work or much of Floyd(especially post Roger.)
Yes I know I am in the minority here but I don't care:)
I wouldn't want to see anything with Clapton either.The only exception would be if they added Phil Collins and did a zimmer tour:)
Time is fast running out for MK records and I don't want them ruined by anyone other than the brassies!
Post by: Pottel on October 20, 2019, 09:53:29 PM
Minority, yes.Agree.Imagine an album and tour with MarkK + DavidG + EricC
I love the three of them but they have too different world.
I don't want a Gilmour solo on a MK song and I can't imagine a concert where Speedway would be followed by Comfortably.
Clapton's style is closer to MK's but there again it's really blues oriented and I don't want the both of them together for an entire MK concert.
When Clapton replaced Gilmour in the 80ies and became Waters' sideman, there was something wrong I think. He is not just a guitar player who is going to copy, change his sound etc.. he is Clapton and it felt like he was playing on the wrong band.
MK writes songs and sings them, he is the entire package. A guest appearance is fine but no more than that.
An acoustic performance I'm not saying
That's just my opinion.
If there is no personal chemistry between them, a musical collaboration would probably be unsuccessful. But let's say they got along well, were able to put aside their egos, I think it would make no sense for them to play each others' music. I think it would have to be a "roots" project. I'd love to hear their interpretations of old blues and folk songs.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
No thanks to anything with Gilmour.never understood the appeal of his solo work or much of Floyd(especially post Roger.)
Yes I know I am in the minority here but I don't care:)
I wouldn't want to see anything with Clapton either.The only exception would be if they added Phil Collins and did a zimmer tour:)
Time is fast running out for MK records and I don't want them ruined by anyone other than the brassies!
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Post by: wakeywakey on October 20, 2019, 09:59:20 PM
[/quote]Minority, yes.
But not wrong :lol
Post by: ds1984 on October 20, 2019, 10:25:18 PM
Minority, yes.
But not wrong :lol
This is no more no less than an opinion, doesn't have to be right or wrong.
Post by: Pottel on October 20, 2019, 11:01:00 PM
But still lol...Minority, yes.
But not wrong
This is no more no less than an opinion, doesn't have to be right or wrong.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Post by: rmarques821 on October 21, 2019, 03:10:16 PM
If Mark wouldn't exist, David Gilmour would be my favourite guitarist of all time.Agree.Imagine an album and tour with MarkK + DavidG + EricC
I love the three of them but they have too different world.
I don't want a Gilmour solo on a MK song and I can't imagine a concert where Speedway would be followed by Comfortably.
Clapton's style is closer to MK's but there again it's really blues oriented and I don't want the both of them together for an entire MK concert.
When Clapton replaced Gilmour in the 80ies and became Waters' sideman, there was something wrong I think. He is not just a guitar player who is going to copy, change his sound etc.. he is Clapton and it felt like he was playing on the wrong band.
MK writes songs and sings them, he is the entire package. A guest appearance is fine but no more than that.
An acoustic performance I'm not saying
That's just my opinion.
If there is no personal chemistry between them, a musical collaboration would probably be unsuccessful. But let's say they got along well, were able to put aside their egos, I think it would make no sense for them to play each others' music. I think it would have to be a "roots" project. I'd love to hear their interpretations of old blues and folk songs.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
No thanks to anything with Gilmour.never understood the appeal of his solo work or much of Floyd(especially post Roger.)
Yes I know I am in the minority here but I don't care:)
I wouldn't want to see anything with Clapton either.The only exception would be if they added Phil Collins and did a zimmer tour:)
Time is fast running out for MK records and I don't want them ruined by anyone other than the brassies!
On an Island is an absolute masterpiece in my view.
Sent from my Redmi 4A using Tapatalk
Post by: privinvest on November 16, 2019, 07:38:45 PM
a) a great guitar player,
b) if there's some difference (originality) in his style, and
c) if there's musical and
d) personal chemistry between them,
e) if they do some decent rehersals,
f) add some degree of friendly, respectful competitiveness
can do wonders with Mark.
g) the guy should challenge him a little bit, force him to respond, take him A LITTLE away from his comfort zone
Sonny Landreth for instance.
Eric Clapton in Knebworth, where I think he "won" on away goal rule :)
Post by: Eddie Fox on November 19, 2019, 12:14:41 PM
I’ll just say one thing. Mark can still play any song he wants, fast or slow. All he has to do is to play less notes, value his vibratos and his touch, and it’s all good. Things turn bad when he tries to play like he used to. I say that as a guitarist who played Mark’s songs for years and never bothered to play much like him simply because I couldn’t, nobody can - and those who try to end up looking like pale doppelgängers.
Post by: PortobelloBelle on November 19, 2019, 11:42:48 PM