Post by: the visitor on October 07, 2019, 10:22:17 PM
The vinyl re release of DS albums was great but there must be so much more that could be put out there. On vinyl would be great too.
Clearly I'm dillusional but I would be looking for a set to include a recording from each tour, bootleg source or otherwise.
I reckon they did record a load of shows we just don't know about at least from LOG tours onwards plus there must be demo and studio outtakes galore capable of release from every era of DS/MK history .
Post by: Pottel on October 07, 2019, 10:25:47 PM
Tour over, milestone complete, must be time for a box set surely.So many missed opportunities....
The vinyl re release of DS albums was great but there must be so much more that could be put out there. On vinyl would be great too.
Clearly I'm dillusional but I would be looking for a set to include a recording from each tour, bootleg source or otherwise.
I reckon they did record a load of shows we just don't know about at least from LOG tours onwards plus there must be demo and studio outtakes galore capable of release from every era of DS/MK history .
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Post by: quizzaciously on October 07, 2019, 10:39:50 PM
Tour over, milestone complete, must be time for a box set surely.So many missed opportunities....
The vinyl re release of DS albums was great but there must be so much more that could be put out there. On vinyl would be great too.
Clearly I'm dillusional but I would be looking for a set to include a recording from each tour, bootleg source or otherwise.
I reckon they did record a load of shows we just don't know about at least from LOG tours onwards plus there must be demo and studio outtakes galore capable of release from every era of DS/MK history .
Our children will be happy. Maybe :lol
Post by: ds1984 on October 07, 2019, 11:14:47 PM
I can imagine them discovering all these gems... :think
Post by: vr46mk on October 08, 2019, 08:56:52 AM
Of course STP should be there too....
Post by: hunter on October 08, 2019, 10:23:04 AM
Before that I hope Mark's children will do the job.
I can imagine them discovering all these gems... :think
It wouldn't surprise me if Mark put some weird clause in his will which prohibits the publishing of any unreleased material.
Post by: wakeywakey on October 20, 2019, 09:56:43 PM
Before that I hope Mark's children will do the job.
I can imagine them discovering all these gems... :think
It wouldn't surprise me if Mark put some weird clause in his will which prohibits the publishing of any unreleased material.
He was signed to a record company for many years and recorded under their dime.It is highly unlikely he would be able to prevent the old record company from releasing something recorded under such circumstances.
It is weird how there have been zero deluxe editions of his best selling(Straits)albums.
I know DS have never been back "in fashion" but a band that sold over 100 million albums must still have lots of cash rich fans who would be eager to buy expanded releases.
I hope it isn't MK blocking them but he is certainly obstinate enough:(
Post by: binone on October 21, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
By: Dmac
Categories: Competition
October 18, 2019
Hi Guy. I wondered because of all the Beatles anniversary albums and now a new singles box set why Dire Straits are not doing similar things? Surely there is a big market for it? I was speaking to a music guy who said that Straits vinyl albums still sell in massive amounts. Is it Mark who blocks Straits releases? There must be huge amounts of taped concerts that could be released for one. I would love to see something from the on every street tour come out I don’t think on the night did it justice at all. I know you can say the usual we don’t look back but the fans would love it!
There are things happening in this regard.
Post by: Pottel on October 21, 2019, 12:27:47 PM
Has any of you noticed this answer?Wow....Just wow...
By: Dmac
Categories: Competition
October 18, 2019
Hi Guy. I wondered because of all the Beatles anniversary albums and now a new singles box set why Dire Straits are not doing similar things? Surely there is a big market for it? I was speaking to a music guy who said that Straits vinyl albums still sell in massive amounts. Is it Mark who blocks Straits releases? There must be huge amounts of taped concerts that could be released for one. I would love to see something from the on every street tour come out I don’t think on the night did it justice at all. I know you can say the usual we don’t look back but the fans would love it!
There are things happening in this regard.
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Post by: quizzaciously on October 21, 2019, 01:46:48 PM
Has any of you noticed this answer?Wow....Just wow...
By: Dmac
Categories: Competition
October 18, 2019
Hi Guy. I wondered because of all the Beatles anniversary albums and now a new singles box set why Dire Straits are not doing similar things? Surely there is a big market for it? I was speaking to a music guy who said that Straits vinyl albums still sell in massive amounts. Is it Mark who blocks Straits releases? There must be huge amounts of taped concerts that could be released for one. I would love to see something from the on every street tour come out I don’t think on the night did it justice at all. I know you can say the usual we don’t look back but the fans would love it!
There are things happening in this regard.
Makes sense only with large amount of bonus material, but chances are some boring re-releases of original albums on their way. It has to be at least something, right? Looks like Mark asks the same kind of question.
Post by: dmg on October 21, 2019, 02:07:52 PM
I'm trying to interpret this in a negative way because I always end up disappointed. ::)
OTN vinyl re-release?
Post by: skydiver on October 21, 2019, 02:27:31 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on October 21, 2019, 04:46:10 PM
Has any of you noticed this answer?Wow....Just wow...
By: Dmac
Categories: Competition
October 18, 2019
Hi Guy. I wondered because of all the Beatles anniversary albums and now a new singles box set why Dire Straits are not doing similar things? Surely there is a big market for it? I was speaking to a music guy who said that Straits vinyl albums still sell in massive amounts. Is it Mark who blocks Straits releases? There must be huge amounts of taped concerts that could be released for one. I would love to see something from the on every street tour come out I don’t think on the night did it justice at all. I know you can say the usual we don’t look back but the fans would love it!
There are things happening in this regard.
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I am going to pay any price for an On the Night box with the missing songs,
we deserved it 26 years ago and even more now,
hope it's not a farce once again
Post by: qjamesfloyd on October 21, 2019, 05:43:34 PM
Post by: Pottel on October 21, 2019, 07:03:40 PM
Totally. Pls no new remaster or some shit I want unreleased stuff, full on the night, access to all live recordings since whenever they started doing it (81 or 83?)Has any of you noticed this answer?Wow....Just wow...
By: Dmac
Categories: Competition
October 18, 2019
Hi Guy. I wondered because of all the Beatles anniversary albums and now a new singles box set why Dire Straits are not doing similar things? Surely there is a big market for it? I was speaking to a music guy who said that Straits vinyl albums still sell in massive amounts. Is it Mark who blocks Straits releases? There must be huge amounts of taped concerts that could be released for one. I would love to see something from the on every street tour come out I don’t think on the night did it justice at all. I know you can say the usual we don’t look back but the fans would love it!
There are things happening in this regard.
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I am going to pay any price for an On the Night box with the missing songs,
we deserved it 26 years ago and even more now,
hope it's not a farce once again
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Post by: quizzaciously on October 21, 2019, 07:43:43 PM
On The Night begs to be re-released, but I'm afraid is not possible, because all the masters are probably gone and I've heard it was messy anyway.
From what I heard it was something like Mark's USB recordings of recent shows in the sense it wasn't an extremely professional recording. But I'd want to be wrong.
Post by: PensaGhost on October 22, 2019, 01:15:37 PM
Post by: jbaent on October 22, 2019, 01:47:13 PM
They recorded more than 20 shows of the On Every Street tour, they can do whatever they want
If they only wanted, they could do great things...
Just imagine a "dire straits 40th anniversary edition"... they could had release it with plenty of bonus, like the honky tonk demos, the rest of demos including unreleased songs like "real girl" or "eastbound train", the London Paris Theatre concert, the Rotterdam 78 concert, the Paris Chorus tv dvd... That only with material we know exists, it's so likely that exists more than we don't know...
They could release any single DS cd with tons of great material...
But they don´t give a damn about it.
Post by: Pottel on October 22, 2019, 02:03:40 PM
And demo's....They recorded more than 20 shows of the On Every Street tour, they can do whatever they want
If they only wanted, they could do great things...
Just imagine a "dire straits 40th anniversary edition"... they could had release it with plenty of bonus, like the honky tonk demos, the rest of demos including unreleased songs like "real girl" or "eastbound train", the London Paris Theatre concert, the Rotterdam 78 concert, the Paris Chorus tv dvd... That only with material we know exists, it's so likely that exists more than we don't know...
They could release any single DS cd with tons of great material...
But they don´t give a damn about it.
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Post by: jbaent on October 22, 2019, 02:07:01 PM
And demo's....They recorded more than 20 shows of the On Every Street tour, they can do whatever they want
If they only wanted, they could do great things...
Just imagine a "dire straits 40th anniversary edition"... they could had release it with plenty of bonus, like the honky tonk demos, the rest of demos including unreleased songs like "real girl" or "eastbound train", the London Paris Theatre concert, the Rotterdam 78 concert, the Paris Chorus tv dvd... That only with material we know exists, it's so likely that exists more than we don't know...
They could release any single DS cd with tons of great material...
But they don´t give a damn about it.
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Like the ones I mentioned? ;D :lol
Post by: Pottel on October 22, 2019, 02:09:48 PM
My bad, lolAnd demo's....They recorded more than 20 shows of the On Every Street tour, they can do whatever they want
If they only wanted, they could do great things...
Just imagine a "dire straits 40th anniversary edition"... they could had release it with plenty of bonus, like the honky tonk demos, the rest of demos including unreleased songs like "real girl" or "eastbound train", the London Paris Theatre concert, the Rotterdam 78 concert, the Paris Chorus tv dvd... That only with material we know exists, it's so likely that exists more than we don't know...
They could release any single DS cd with tons of great material...
But they don´t give a damn about it.
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Like the ones I mentioned? ;D
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Post by: hunter on October 22, 2019, 03:00:21 PM
Post by: ds1984 on October 22, 2019, 06:41:15 PM
I honestly don't think there is a market for this.
In Europe there is!
Post by: wakeywakey on October 22, 2019, 10:59:36 PM
I honestly don't think there is a market for this.
Why not?
Granted the complete and utter (sales) failure of DTRW won't have helped but we are talking about one of the most successful bands of all time.
It wouldn't surprise me if they tried with BIA first and see how well that does before deciding on any other releases.
However they have had many opportunities to do this and the fact it wasn't done around the Hall Of Fame induction means we might well be kept waiting and waiting :thumbsdown
The fact that the major money spinner for MK(touring)is now finished(permanently?) his accountants and manager will surely advise him that this would be a fairly easy way to supplement his meagre pension :lol
Post by: 2manyguitars on October 22, 2019, 11:18:02 PM
I honestly don't think there is a market for this.
Why not?
Granted the complete and utter (sales) failure of DTRW won't have helped but we are talking about one of the most successful bands of all time.
It wouldn't surprise me if they tried with BIA first and see how well that does before deciding on any other releases.
However they have had many opportunities to do this and the fact it wasn't done around the Hall Of Fame induction means we might well be kept waiting and waiting :thumbsdown
The fact that the major money spinner for MK(touring)is now finished(permanently?) his accountants and manager will surely advise him that this would be a fairly easy way to supplement his meagre pension :lol
Physical media makes next to zero money in the industry these days.
Post by: Pottel on October 22, 2019, 11:20:55 PM
Xcept for the limited edition boxes, if made well. See the later years for pink Floyd, costs an arm and a leg, bit you can bet the will sell every single copy, as it is exceptionally well madeI honestly don't think there is a market for this.
Why not?
Granted the complete and utter (sales) failure of DTRW won't have helped but we are talking about one of the most successful bands of all time.
It wouldn't surprise me if they tried with BIA first and see how well that does before deciding on any other releases.
However they have had many opportunities to do this and the fact it wasn't done around the Hall Of Fame induction means we might well be kept waiting and waiting :thumbsdown
The fact that the major money spinner for MK(touring)is now finished(permanently?) his accountants and manager will surely advise him that this would be a fairly easy way to supplement his meagre pension
Physical media makes next to zero money in the industry these days.
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Post by: 2manyguitars on October 23, 2019, 12:09:54 AM
Xcept for the limited edition boxes, if made well. See the later years for pink Floyd, costs an arm and a leg, bit you can bet the will sell every single copy, as it is exceptionally well madeI honestly don't think there is a market for this.
Why not?
Granted the complete and utter (sales) failure of DTRW won't have helped but we are talking about one of the most successful bands of all time.
It wouldn't surprise me if they tried with BIA first and see how well that does before deciding on any other releases.
However they have had many opportunities to do this and the fact it wasn't done around the Hall Of Fame induction means we might well be kept waiting and waiting :thumbsdown
The fact that the major money spinner for MK(touring)is now finished(permanently?) his accountants and manager will surely advise him that this would be a fairly easy way to supplement his meagre pension
Physical media makes next to zero money in the industry these days.
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Even those won't sell in large volumes enough to make any significant money, that was the original point I was replying to, the idea that Mark should release such things to make money. Your average recording artist will get 15% per physical sale If costs are recovered.
Sell a million CDs and make 130k before the tax man gets his slice. Puts the demise of physical media into perspective really. You could have a certified platinum album and barely cover your mortgage!
The percentage figures for a box sets are probably slightly better given the lack of overheads but show me a single example where an artist has sold a box set in high volumes? They're a luxury item.
Gone are the days of making a living from recorded music.
Post by: Pottel on October 23, 2019, 12:34:33 AM
Pink Floyd .....Xcept for the limited edition boxes, if made well. See the later years for pink Floyd, costs an arm and a leg, bit you can bet the will sell every single copy, as it is exceptionally well madeI honestly don't think there is a market for this.
Why not?
Granted the complete and utter (sales) failure of DTRW won't have helped but we are talking about one of the most successful bands of all time.
It wouldn't surprise me if they tried with BIA first and see how well that does before deciding on any other releases.
However they have had many opportunities to do this and the fact it wasn't done around the Hall Of Fame induction means we might well be kept waiting and waiting :thumbsdown
The fact that the major money spinner for MK(touring)is now finished(permanently?) his accountants and manager will surely advise him that this would be a fairly easy way to supplement his meagre pension
Physical media makes next to zero money in the industry these days.
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Even those won't sell in large volumes enough to make any significant money, that was the original point I was replying to, the idea that Mark should release such things to make money. Your average recording artist will get 15% per physical sale If costs are recovered.
Sell a million CDs and make 130k before the tax man gets his slice. Puts the demise of physical media into perspective really. You could have a certified platinum album and barely cover your mortgage!
The percentage figures for a box sets are probably slightly better given the lack of overheads but show me a single example where an artist has sold a box set in high volumes? They're a luxury item.
Gone are the days of making a living from recorded music.
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Post by: 2manyguitars on October 23, 2019, 01:05:35 AM
Pink Floyd .....Xcept for the limited edition boxes, if made well. See the later years for pink Floyd, costs an arm and a leg, bit you can bet the will sell every single copy, as it is exceptionally well madeI honestly don't think there is a market for this.
Why not?
Granted the complete and utter (sales) failure of DTRW won't have helped but we are talking about one of the most successful bands of all time.
It wouldn't surprise me if they tried with BIA first and see how well that does before deciding on any other releases.
However they have had many opportunities to do this and the fact it wasn't done around the Hall Of Fame induction means we might well be kept waiting and waiting :thumbsdown
The fact that the major money spinner for MK(touring)is now finished(permanently?) his accountants and manager will surely advise him that this would be a fairly easy way to supplement his meagre pension
Physical media makes next to zero money in the industry these days.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Even those won't sell in large volumes enough to make any significant money, that was the original point I was replying to, the idea that Mark should release such things to make money. Your average recording artist will get 15% per physical sale If costs are recovered.
Sell a million CDs and make 130k before the tax man gets his slice. Puts the demise of physical media into perspective really. You could have a certified platinum album and barely cover your mortgage!
The percentage figures for a box sets are probably slightly better given the lack of overheads but show me a single example where an artist has sold a box set in high volumes? They're a luxury item.
Gone are the days of making a living from recorded music.
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Nope, biggest selling Floyd box set barely shipped 250k units. The artist would have made pennies.
Post by: Pottel on October 23, 2019, 01:34:15 AM
At those prices though...anyways, where did you get that info?Pink Floyd .....Xcept for the limited edition boxes, if made well. See the later years for pink Floyd, costs an arm and a leg, bit you can bet the will sell every single copy, as it is exceptionally well madeI honestly don't think there is a market for this.
Why not?
Granted the complete and utter (sales) failure of DTRW won't have helped but we are talking about one of the most successful bands of all time.
It wouldn't surprise me if they tried with BIA first and see how well that does before deciding on any other releases.
However they have had many opportunities to do this and the fact it wasn't done around the Hall Of Fame induction means we might well be kept waiting and waiting :thumbsdown
The fact that the major money spinner for MK(touring)is now finished(permanently?) his accountants and manager will surely advise him that this would be a fairly easy way to supplement his meagre pension
Physical media makes next to zero money in the industry these days.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Even those won't sell in large volumes enough to make any significant money, that was the original point I was replying to, the idea that Mark should release such things to make money. Your average recording artist will get 15% per physical sale If costs are recovered.
Sell a million CDs and make 130k before the tax man gets his slice. Puts the demise of physical media into perspective really. You could have a certified platinum album and barely cover your mortgage!
The percentage figures for a box sets are probably slightly better given the lack of overheads but show me a single example where an artist has sold a box set in high volumes? They're a luxury item.
Gone are the days of making a living from recorded music.
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Nope, biggest selling Floyd box set barely shipped 250k units. The artist would have made pennies.
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Post by: vr46mk on October 23, 2019, 07:10:35 AM
Post by: qjamesfloyd on October 23, 2019, 09:18:22 AM
Post by: superval99 on October 23, 2019, 09:40:59 AM
I think a box set would do very well, even more so if they include really rare and unheard stuff. Bob Dylan's bootleg series box set continues to be released in physical form, and has been stated the Pink Floyd box sets are great, and the fans are buying them. The other thing is that Mark would have never released anything like this before, so it would be big news, and he has many unreleased songs that fans are dying to hear, and lots of live stuff that could be also released. It could be great, we just have to hope whoever works on it does their research, it would be best to have someone like Guy involved as he has been the one constant for the majority of Mark's career, plus John Illsley could be involved for the early Dire Straits era.
:thumbsup I'd love one! :P
Post by: 2manyguitars on October 23, 2019, 10:45:10 AM
At those prices though...anyways, where did you get that info?Pink Floyd .....Xcept for the limited edition boxes, if made well. See the later years for pink Floyd, costs an arm and a leg, bit you can bet the will sell every single copy, as it is exceptionally well madeI honestly don't think there is a market for this.
Why not?
Granted the complete and utter (sales) failure of DTRW won't have helped but we are talking about one of the most successful bands of all time.
It wouldn't surprise me if they tried with BIA first and see how well that does before deciding on any other releases.
However they have had many opportunities to do this and the fact it wasn't done around the Hall Of Fame induction means we might well be kept waiting and waiting :thumbsdown
The fact that the major money spinner for MK(touring)is now finished(permanently?) his accountants and manager will surely advise him that this would be a fairly easy way to supplement his meagre pension
Physical media makes next to zero money in the industry these days.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Even those won't sell in large volumes enough to make any significant money, that was the original point I was replying to, the idea that Mark should release such things to make money. Your average recording artist will get 15% per physical sale If costs are recovered.
Sell a million CDs and make 130k before the tax man gets his slice. Puts the demise of physical media into perspective really. You could have a certified platinum album and barely cover your mortgage!
The percentage figures for a box sets are probably slightly better given the lack of overheads but show me a single example where an artist has sold a box set in high volumes? They're a luxury item.
Gone are the days of making a living from recorded music.
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Nope, biggest selling Floyd box set barely shipped 250k units. The artist would have made pennies.
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From sadly digging through internet forums, RIAA, reading various articles, and largely the accumulation over many years of useless trivia, all stored in my addled attic of a brain. I suppose it's akin to MKs 'junkyard'. Certainly, running a recording studio and teaching music leads you to remember some pretty useless things ;D
Another thing to take into account with box sets is that certification is calculated not by the number of boxes sold but by the number of disks inside! So a million certified sales of a 10 disk set, really means only 10000 boxes sold (that's for any release post 1992)
This had all got rather complicated :) when all I really meant to illustrate was that the motivation for anyone releasing a box set is definitely not money. More to do with legacy, of as some have already stated, pleasing the fans.
Post by: hunter on October 23, 2019, 11:05:03 AM
I really meant to illustrate was that the motivation for anyone releasing a box set is definitely not money. More to do with legacy, of as some have already stated, pleasing the fans.
Which is pretty low on Mark's list of priorities.
And when I said I doubt there's a market for this stuff, the point was that even though DS were huge, they were never Beatles, Stones or Pink Floyd huge.
Post by: Pottel on October 23, 2019, 11:14:02 AM
InterestingAt those prices though...anyways, where did you get that info?Pink Floyd .....Xcept for the limited edition boxes, if made well. See the later years for pink Floyd, costs an arm and a leg, bit you can bet the will sell every single copy, as it is exceptionally well madeI honestly don't think there is a market for this.
Why not?
Granted the complete and utter (sales) failure of DTRW won't have helped but we are talking about one of the most successful bands of all time.
It wouldn't surprise me if they tried with BIA first and see how well that does before deciding on any other releases.
However they have had many opportunities to do this and the fact it wasn't done around the Hall Of Fame induction means we might well be kept waiting and waiting :thumbsdown
The fact that the major money spinner for MK(touring)is now finished(permanently?) his accountants and manager will surely advise him that this would be a fairly easy way to supplement his meagre pension
Physical media makes next to zero money in the industry these days.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Even those won't sell in large volumes enough to make any significant money, that was the original point I was replying to, the idea that Mark should release such things to make money. Your average recording artist will get 15% per physical sale If costs are recovered.
Sell a million CDs and make 130k before the tax man gets his slice. Puts the demise of physical media into perspective really. You could have a certified platinum album and barely cover your mortgage!
The percentage figures for a box sets are probably slightly better given the lack of overheads but show me a single example where an artist has sold a box set in high volumes? They're a luxury item.
Gone are the days of making a living from recorded music.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Nope, biggest selling Floyd box set barely shipped 250k units. The artist would have made pennies.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
From sadly digging through internet forums, RIAA, reading various articles, and largely the accumulation over many years of useless trivia, all stored in my addled attic of a brain. I suppose it's akin to MKs 'junkyard'. Certainly, running a recording studio and teaching music leads you to remember some pretty useless things ;D
Another thing to take into account with box sets is that certification is calculated not by the number of boxes sold but by the number of disks inside! So a million certified sales of a 10 disk set, really means only 10000 boxes sold (that's for any release post 1992)
This had all got rather complicated :) when all I really meant to illustrate was that the motivation for anyone releasing a box set is definitely not money. More to do with legacy, of as some have already stated, pleasing the fans.
Going to dig deeper into this
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Post by: dmg on October 23, 2019, 01:03:33 PM
I think a box set would do very well, even more so if they include really rare and unheard stuff. Bob Dylan's bootleg series box set continues to be released in physical form, and has been stated the Pink Floyd box sets are great, and the fans are buying them. The other thing is that Mark would have never released anything like this before, so it would be big news, and he has many unreleased songs that fans are dying to hear, and lots of live stuff that could be also released. It could be great, we just have to hope whoever works on it does their research, it would be best to have someone like Guy involved as he has been the one constant for the majority of Mark's career, plus John Illsley could be involved for the early Dire Straits era.
Agree with this. I think there would be a market for it if there was a high proportion of DS material and marketed as such. DS still seem to be popular and well loved on the internet reading comments, even from younger audiences who are discovering the music browsing YouTube etc. The die hards would be interested no matter what music is on it!
Die hards fans, such as our good selves, will purchase expensive box sets if they contain unreleased material such as missing OTN songs or Wembley 85 videos. We would pay very good money for a box set containing the complete Wembley 85 and missing OTN plus extras including PONO (and they did record the rehearsal in Rotterdam '91?).
Think Mark is interested in making big money? He would promote his albums in that case. Virtually zero promotion may account for poor sales of the last album but a box set is a niche item anyway; the casual and curious will not buy it.
Post by: PensaGhost on October 23, 2019, 02:57:20 PM
Post by: 2manyguitars on October 23, 2019, 03:30:30 PM
InterestingAt those prices though...anyways, where did you get that info?Pink Floyd .....Xcept for the limited edition boxes, if made well. See the later years for pink Floyd, costs an arm and a leg, bit you can bet the will sell every single copy, as it is exceptionally well madeI honestly don't think there is a market for this.
Why not?
Granted the complete and utter (sales) failure of DTRW won't have helped but we are talking about one of the most successful bands of all time.
It wouldn't surprise me if they tried with BIA first and see how well that does before deciding on any other releases.
However they have had many opportunities to do this and the fact it wasn't done around the Hall Of Fame induction means we might well be kept waiting and waiting :thumbsdown
The fact that the major money spinner for MK(touring)is now finished(permanently?) his accountants and manager will surely advise him that this would be a fairly easy way to supplement his meagre pension
Physical media makes next to zero money in the industry these days.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Even those won't sell in large volumes enough to make any significant money, that was the original point I was replying to, the idea that Mark should release such things to make money. Your average recording artist will get 15% per physical sale If costs are recovered.
Sell a million CDs and make 130k before the tax man gets his slice. Puts the demise of physical media into perspective really. You could have a certified platinum album and barely cover your mortgage!
The percentage figures for a box sets are probably slightly better given the lack of overheads but show me a single example where an artist has sold a box set in high volumes? They're a luxury item.
Gone are the days of making a living from recorded music.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy 9+ via tapatalk
Nope, biggest selling Floyd box set barely shipped 250k units. The artist would have made pennies.
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From sadly digging through internet forums, RIAA, reading various articles, and largely the accumulation over many years of useless trivia, all stored in my addled attic of a brain. I suppose it's akin to MKs 'junkyard'. Certainly, running a recording studio and teaching music leads you to remember some pretty useless things ;D
Another thing to take into account with box sets is that certification is calculated not by the number of boxes sold but by the number of disks inside! So a million certified sales of a 10 disk set, really means only 10000 boxes sold (that's for any release post 1992)
This had all got rather complicated :) when all I really meant to illustrate was that the motivation for anyone releasing a box set is definitely not money. More to do with legacy, of as some have already stated, pleasing the fans.
Going to dig deeper into this
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It it interesting, either that or we've both become musical nerds ;D
Did you find out anything else?
Post by: wakeywakey on October 23, 2019, 06:21:18 PM
I think the market for a BIA box or OTN box or even better both together in 1 box is absolutely large
There is no large market for OTN box set.
Of all DS albums this would easily sell the fewest in box set form.
Alchemy sold over 5 million internationally while OTN hasn't managed 1 million,so if they release a live box set Alchemy would make more sense(yes please to that.)
Why should it be bundled with BIA?Surely it should be bundled with OES?
Post by: dmg on October 23, 2019, 07:07:38 PM
I think the market for a BIA box or OTN box or even better both together in 1 box is absolutely large
There is no large market for OTN box set.
Of all DS albums this would easily sell the fewest in box set form.
Alchemy sold over 5 million internationally while OTN hasn't managed 1 million,so if they release a live box set Alchemy would make more sense(yes please to that.)
Why should it be bundled with BIA?Surely it should be bundled with OES?
Any potential box set would need to include songs from at least both BIA and OES tours as well as other rarities to make it worthwhile anyway or it would just be a single CD, so it's a moot point.
Post by: ds1984 on October 23, 2019, 07:30:46 PM
In second place an OLT box.
Third and probably the best commercial potential, BIA 85/86 box and the full Mandela show and a rockband edition from that concert with isolated tracks.
Post by: Marnix on October 23, 2019, 08:03:51 PM
Post by: ds1984 on October 24, 2019, 12:35:14 AM
Mark is focused on his own career and has probably right to veto anything unreleased to be put out by his record company.
Funnily almost everything issued on vinyle has been relelsead in CD format, SOS single version and Eastbound Train excepted!
Post by: PensaGhost on October 24, 2019, 01:30:41 PM
From my point of interest of course OTN augmented and extended IS the one I am waiting for.
In second place an OLT box.
Third and probably the best commercial potential, BIA 85/86 box and the full Mandela show and a rockband edition from that concert with isolated tracks.
yes full OTN is by far the most interesting
do we have a list of all the unreleased songs from that tour ?
Post by: dmg on October 24, 2019, 04:04:04 PM
From my point of interest of course OTN augmented and extended IS the one I am waiting for.
In second place an OLT box.
Third and probably the best commercial potential, BIA 85/86 box and the full Mandela show and a rockband edition from that concert with isolated tracks.
yes full OTN is by far the most interesting
do we have a list of all the unreleased songs from that tour ?
When It Comes to You - performed in Nîmes 19th, 20th, 21st
Fade to Black - performed in Nîmes 21st
I Think I Love You Too Much - performed in Rotterdam 30th
Tunnel of Love - performed in Rotterdam 30th
These are the rare/important songs we know about from the bootlegs available from the shows recorded for the OTN release. Bear in mind that we have all three Nîmes shows available but are missing two Rotterdam shows.
Do I recall correctly that a Paris show/shows were recorded too? Planet of New Orleans was performed at least twice there. Then we also have the Timothy White Sessions, including a nice Iron Hand and Long Highway [Mr P].
It was a big, high-profile tour so there are bound to be other bits and pieces they could collect if they tried. Snippets from media outlets - the San Diego show had a snippet recorded as did a San Sebastien show, for example.
Post by: JF on October 24, 2019, 11:02:59 PM
I would far prefer :
- complete first album demos in good quality
- complete communiqué demos
- complete early days gigs with far more songs than on live at BBC, like portobello belle, in my car, Bernadette, setting me up, Nadine, real girl, eastbound train, southbound again...
- complete 1980 gig with SHS, in the gallery, les boys, wild west end... and complete 81 gig with TR, WDYTYG....
- complete alchemy with portobello belle linked to TOL, and a 1982 show with it never rains
- complete 1985 gig, not necessarily wembley, but mostly one from autumn with longest TOL versions
- complete Mandela gig with a full correct mix, finally !
- all B-sides and rare tracks, including extented EP, comfort and Joy soundtrack, color of money tune, etc...
for my taste, it far far more interesting , rather than having telegraph road, SOS or TYl in OES tour versions that I can listen on many soundboard versions... ok PONO, WICTY and FTB would be fun, but that's all
just a matter of taste of course :)
Post by: dmg on October 24, 2019, 11:29:46 PM
I am not interested in OTN bonus at all, we have tons of bootlegs. Yes I know, not quite good sound quality, but it's enough for me as it's my least fav era
I would far prefer :
- complete first album demos in good quality
- complete communiqué demos
- complete early days gigs with far more songs than on live at BBC, like portobello belle, in my car, Bernadette, setting me up, Nadine, real girl, eastbound train, southbound again...
- complete 1980 gig with SHS, in the gallery, les boys, wild west end... and complete 81 gig with TR, WDYTYG....
- complete alchemy with portobello belle linked to TOL, and a 1982 show with it never rains
- complete 1985 gig, not necessarily wembley, but mostly one from autumn with longest TOL versions
- complete Mandela gig with a full correct mix, finally !
- all B-sides and rare tracks, including extented EP, comfort and Joy soundtrack, color of money tune, etc...
for my taste, it far far more interesting , rather than having telegraph road, SOS or TYl in OES tour versions that I can listen on many soundboard versions... ok PONO, WICTY and FTB would be fun, but that's all
just a matter of taste of course :)
If we're talking about a box set it would contain all or it would merely be a regular release. That's what 'greedy old me' would be expecting anyway! Old stuff, ancient stuff, videos, the lot!
Post by: JF on October 24, 2019, 11:47:38 PM
If we're talking about a box set it would contain all or it would merely be a regular release. That's what 'greedy old me' would be expecting anyway! Old stuff, ancient stuff, videos, the lot!
yes of course :)
what I mean is if I had the choice between a complete OTN or let's say a complete Communiqué demos, I would vote for the later without any hesitation
and the same goes for any of stuff I put in my list. OTN bonus tracks would always been my latest choice
Post by: JF on October 24, 2019, 11:52:45 PM
Post by: Pottel on October 25, 2019, 12:19:57 AM
and I forgot another graal : a proper mixed and complete version of the making movies song !Surely you mean suicide towers
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Post by: JF on October 25, 2019, 08:56:40 AM
and I forgot another graal : a proper mixed and complete version of the making movies song !Surely you mean suicide towers
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No I mean Making Movies. In the BBC arena wa have parts of the song, but not entirely, and not well mixed.
it is some kind of monitor mix as it's the recording process
I am sure they recorded the entire song from the intro up to the outro, and I would love to hear it
as for suicide towers, the oldfield book says that the riff of this song became the expresso love one
Post by: wakeywakey on October 25, 2019, 10:57:00 AM
I am not interested in OTN bonus at all, we have tons of bootlegs. Yes I know, not quite good sound quality, but it's enough for me as it's my least fav era
I would far prefer :
- complete first album demos in good quality
- complete communiqué demos
- complete early days gigs with far more songs than on live at BBC, like portobello belle, in my car, Bernadette, setting me up, Nadine, real girl, eastbound train, southbound again...
- complete 1980 gig with SHS, in the gallery, les boys, wild west end... and complete 81 gig with TR, WDYTYG....
- complete alchemy with portobello belle linked to TOL, and a 1982 show with it never rains
- complete 1985 gig, not necessarily wembley, but mostly one from autumn with longest TOL versions
- complete Mandela gig with a full correct mix, finally !
- all B-sides and rare tracks, including extented EP, comfort and Joy soundtrack, color of money tune, etc...
for my taste, it far far more interesting , rather than having telegraph road, SOS or TYl in OES tour versions that I can listen on many soundboard versions... ok PONO, WICTY and FTB would be fun, but that's all
just a matter of taste of course :)
I'd prefer the DS stuff first.
A complete DS box set or album by album super deluxe box sets.
Album,Hi def album,demos,b sides,2 live shows(audio only) and perhaps a dvd(not bothered by this.)
Post by: PensaGhost on October 25, 2019, 01:23:32 PM
Tunnel, Planet, when it comes to you, I think I love you too much, Fade To Black, Setting me up
soundboard from the OES/OTN tour and I am happy
Post by: JF on October 25, 2019, 02:14:17 PM
Give me
Tunnel, Planet, when it comes to you, I think I love you too much, Fade To Black, Setting me up
soundboard from the OES/OTN tour and I am happy
that makes sens because we don't have them in sounboard quality, but I don't understand people who want absolutely OTN bonus such as SOS, TR or TYL that you can hea on bootleges like "On every planet", "Basel", "Nimes sept92" "Wobbunr abbey", etc...
I would add portobello belle from dublin, your latest trick on firss shows with Mark's solo, and also Romeo on first shows with both Mark'solo and PF' solo
I don't give a damn abot TOL on this tour. if I want to listen to this song, I go for 83 or 85
Post by: Pottel on October 25, 2019, 03:13:38 PM
Same hereI am not interested in OTN bonus at all, we have tons of bootlegs. Yes I know, not quite good sound quality, but it's enough for me as it's my least fav era
I would far prefer :
- complete first album demos in good quality
- complete communiqué demos
- complete early days gigs with far more songs than on live at BBC, like portobello belle, in my car, Bernadette, setting me up, Nadine, real girl, eastbound train, southbound again...
- complete 1980 gig with SHS, in the gallery, les boys, wild west end... and complete 81 gig with TR, WDYTYG....
- complete alchemy with portobello belle linked to TOL, and a 1982 show with it never rains
- complete 1985 gig, not necessarily wembley, but mostly one from autumn with longest TOL versions
- complete Mandela gig with a full correct mix, finally !
- all B-sides and rare tracks, including extented EP, comfort and Joy soundtrack, color of money tune, etc...
for my taste, it far far more interesting , rather than having telegraph road, SOS or TYl in OES tour versions that I can listen on many soundboard versions... ok PONO, WICTY and FTB would be fun, but that's all
just a matter of taste of course :)
I'd prefer the DS stuff first.
A complete DS box set or album by album super deluxe box sets.
Album,Hi def album,demos,b sides,2 live shows(audio only) and perhaps a dvd(not bothered by this.)
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Post by: Pottel on October 25, 2019, 03:14:13 PM
And long highway people!Give me
Tunnel, Planet, when it comes to you, I think I love you too much, Fade To Black, Setting me up
soundboard from the OES/OTN tour and I am happy
that makes sens because we don't have them in sounboard quality, but I don't understand people who want absolutely OTN bonus such as SOS, TR or TYL that you can hea on bootleges like "On every planet", "Basel", "Nimes sept92" "Wobbunr abbey", etc...
I would add portobello belle from dublin, your latest trick on firss shows with Mark's solo, and also Romeo on first shows with both Mark'solo and PF' solo
I don't give a damn abot TOL on this tour. if I want to listen to this song, I go for 83 or 85
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Post by: PensaGhost on October 25, 2019, 04:15:42 PM
for example Calling Elvis remix by bob clearmountain is better than the original imo
Post by: dmg on October 25, 2019, 07:10:08 PM
And long highway people!Give me
Tunnel, Planet, when it comes to you, I think I love you too much, Fade To Black, Setting me up
soundboard from the OES/OTN tour and I am happy
that makes sens because we don't have them in sounboard quality, but I don't understand people who want absolutely OTN bonus such as SOS, TR or TYL that you can hea on bootleges like "On every planet", "Basel", "Nimes sept92" "Wobbunr abbey", etc...
I would add portobello belle from dublin, your latest trick on firss shows with Mark's solo, and also Romeo on first shows with both Mark'solo and PF' solo
I don't give a damn abot TOL on this tour. if I want to listen to this song, I go for 83 or 85
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I mentioned it! You read that correctly! I made mention of the Timothy White Sessions with the excellent versions of Iron Hand and Long Highway. :wave
Post by: Pottel on October 25, 2019, 07:32:23 PM
Hear hear!And long highway people!Give me
Tunnel, Planet, when it comes to you, I think I love you too much, Fade To Black, Setting me up
soundboard from the OES/OTN tour and I am happy
that makes sens because we don't have them in sounboard quality, but I don't understand people who want absolutely OTN bonus such as SOS, TR or TYL that you can hea on bootleges like "On every planet", "Basel", "Nimes sept92" "Wobbunr abbey", etc...
I would add portobello belle from dublin, your latest trick on firss shows with Mark's solo, and also Romeo on first shows with both Mark'solo and PF' solo
I don't give a damn abot TOL on this tour. if I want to listen to this song, I go for 83 or 85
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I mentioned it! You read that correctly! I made mention of the Timothy White Sessions with the excellent versions of Iron Hand and Long Highway. :wave
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Post by: ds1984 on October 25, 2019, 07:56:54 PM
Then SOS followed by early R&J feat. the full ending on the Pensa instead of Paul.
Post by: quizzaciously on October 25, 2019, 10:37:06 PM
“Calling all audiophiles: The first four Dire Straits albums will be available early Nov on Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab 45RPM Vinyl & SACD.
Pre-order your copies here: go.markknopfler.com/DS4MoFi (http://go.markknopfler.com/DS4MoFi)”
Post by: JF on October 25, 2019, 10:51:37 PM
early R&J feat. the full ending on the Pensa instead of Paul.
it's not "instead of", it's Pensa + pedal steel
Post by: PensaGhost on October 26, 2019, 04:02:30 PM
From Mark’s social media:
“Calling all audiophiles: The first four Dire Straits albums will be available early Nov on Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab 45RPM Vinyl & SACD.
Pre-order your copies here: go.markknopfler.com/DS4MoFi (http://go.markknopfler.com/DS4MoFi)”
Don't tell me Guy meant this stuff
Post by: jbaent on October 28, 2019, 09:41:51 AM
From Mark’s social media:
“Calling all audiophiles: The first four Dire Straits albums will be available early Nov on Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab 45RPM Vinyl & SACD.
Pre-order your copies here: go.markknopfler.com/DS4MoFi (http://go.markknopfler.com/DS4MoFi)”
Don't tell me Guy meant this stuff
Of course
Post by: dmg on October 28, 2019, 11:35:11 AM
From Mark’s social media:
“Calling all audiophiles: The first four Dire Straits albums will be available early Nov on Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab 45RPM Vinyl & SACD.
Pre-order your copies here: go.markknopfler.com/DS4MoFi (http://go.markknopfler.com/DS4MoFi)”
Don't tell me Guy meant this stuff
Totally pointless. We've already had BIA on SACD anyway. No new music here so I'm not spending a penny.
Post by: vr46mk on October 28, 2019, 11:48:06 AM
But something new and bigger like an ultimate Boxset would be the thing!
I have low expectations...
Post by: PensaGhost on October 28, 2019, 12:59:42 PM
From Mark’s social media:
“Calling all audiophiles: The first four Dire Straits albums will be available early Nov on Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab 45RPM Vinyl & SACD.
Pre-order your copies here: go.markknopfler.com/DS4MoFi (http://go.markknopfler.com/DS4MoFi)”
Don't tell me Guy meant this stuff
Totally pointless. We've already had BIA on SACD anyway. No new music here so I'm not spending a penny.
same here
Post by: dustyvalentino on October 28, 2019, 02:10:16 PM
What I would like to see is vinyl releases of all the solo albums at normal prices.
Post by: qjamesfloyd on October 29, 2019, 12:11:42 PM
Post by: the visitor on November 06, 2019, 09:10:58 PM
We don't really need expensive half speed vinyl masters for a select audience with higher than high end equipment (I'm running a technics 1210 and struggle to justify a purchase).
But I do think the time is ripe for a Dylan esque box set. There must be so much unreleased material which I truly believe there is a viable commercial market for. This could nicely be interspersed with commercially released alternative single edits or mixes. The Bob Marley Songs of Freedom Box Set is a great example of this which sold in quantity and remains in demand.
Keep the plans afoot. I'm still very hopeful something is in preparation.
Post by: localhero1986 on November 07, 2019, 09:27:29 AM
Post by: Pottel on November 07, 2019, 10:40:31 AM
Would love to have a remastered GH record, Darling Pretty sounded way better on PI compilation. Can’t see why another re-release of DS albums makes sense at this time without new songs? :thinkAgree
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Post by: the visitor on November 23, 2019, 10:31:56 PM
Crazy there's no full official release to date! Best gig!
Post by: Terry01 on November 24, 2019, 03:46:15 PM
Anyway.. we know that it imposible.
If someday the full video of the 10th July 1985 appears, i would be very happy
Post by: PensaGhost on November 24, 2019, 08:01:40 PM
Post by: jbaent on November 25, 2019, 08:56:38 AM
I want a full release of the 12 nights in Wembley Arena! :lol :lol :lol
Anyway.. we know that it imposible.
If someday the full video of the 10th July 1985 appears, i would be very happy
We already have the Sydney 86 full broadcast from that same tour.
Post by: dmg on November 25, 2019, 12:44:22 PM
I want a full release of the 12 nights in Wembley Arena! :lol :lol :lol
Anyway.. we know that it imposible.
If someday the full video of the 10th July 1985 appears, i would be very happy
We already have the Sydney 86 full broadcast from that same tour.
I would prefer something later in the tour. Perhaps August-October time. I think they were peaking then and still fresh. Sydney show always sounds like a last show to me and has the short ToL.
Post by: the visitor on November 25, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
Hammersmith shows in Dec 85 were also great
Post by: Pottel on November 25, 2019, 01:51:10 PM
The Madison Square Garden shows were pretty electric from the audience recordings I've heard . The one with Billy Joel stands out from memoryThe whole Oct nov period of that year was amazing
Hammersmith shows in Dec 85 were also great
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Post by: Terry01 on November 25, 2019, 04:33:31 PM
Yes, its true. But Sydney dont like me at all, the band really sounds bored. The drums in that night sounded veryy poorcompared to Wembley 10th July or any of the good 1985 shows(IMHO).I want a full release of the 12 nights in Wembley Arena! :lol :lol :lol
Anyway.. we know that it imposible.
If someday the full video of the 10th July 1985 appears, i would be very happy
We already have the Sydney 86 full broadcast from that same tour.
I prefer too some of the July-August-October period