Post by: PensaGhost on February 23, 2020, 06:07:36 PM
and the epicenter is between Milan and Piacenza and about 80km from where I live, mmm
Schools, Universities, Sport events, etc are all closed/cancelled for the next 2 weeks in the whole north of italy
Post by: dmg on February 23, 2020, 07:46:42 PM
Post by: Pottel on February 24, 2020, 08:43:33 AM
FULLY agree.I believe the Chinese government are doing a Chernobyl with this; it was known about long before they released the news to the world. There is no way they could build these hospitals so quickly. There are probably far more cases than they are revealing too.
Or maybe someone wants the western world to blame china with consequent major economic damage
for something that is just a kind of pneumonia with a 'kewl' media name.
Pneumonia kills 50-100K in the US each year and 100-200K in Europe each year (millions of cases overall),
complete silence by media, but few deaths compared to those numbers by covid-19 are considered like plague
and mentioned everywhere in the media stream.
Influenza kills the thousands you mention, every friggin year. also, the mortality rate of corona does not seem to be all that high, with varying numbers between 0,5 and 3,5%
fuck mainstream media!
Post by: jbaent on February 24, 2020, 09:01:39 AM
Is that they just last one year?
Curious...
Post by: ds1984 on February 24, 2020, 08:34:53 PM
Not a lot of thing to do other than to stop all transports and everybody stay where they are. No travel.
Simple as that despite the economic pressure.
Post by: Fletch on February 25, 2020, 09:51:21 AM
It's curious that every year there is a new virus, and then it dissapears leaving his place in the media for a new one...
Is that they just last one year?
Curious...
It's not curious, it's biology. This one is in the news because it is novel and no vaccine has yet been developed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Types_of_virus
Education is the most wonderful tool, we should avail ourselves of it.
Post by: ds1984 on February 25, 2020, 11:11:28 AM
yes, but think of some viruses that don't seem to expire like acute viral nasopharyngitis is, also known as Cold, or AIDS perhaps? You never know... :think
You are right, but viruses always need a vector to travel. Still you have to consider how fast something coming from the heart of China is spreading and in the current case we know that the transmission vector is not bird, rats or goods but human. Stop travelling is the first good thing to do.
Post by: quizzaciously on February 27, 2020, 11:49:37 PM
https://youtu.be/g3X3rKtruSg
I see what you did there :lol
I'm planning to travel Germany in a month so it would be a real shame if they'd close the border because of the stupid virus.
Post by: vr46mk on March 02, 2020, 11:53:39 AM
Depending on what happens in the next few months, maybe this will happen for several artists/bands...
Post by: jbaent on March 02, 2020, 12:05:42 PM
Imagine this happening a year ago, escalating and eventually leading to Mark and his management cancelling the whole tour :o
Depending on what happens in the next few months, maybe this will happen for several artists/bands...
This is just people going nuts for a disease that kill less people than the usual flu.
Mass media filling hours of tv, radio and papers...
Post by: Pottel on March 02, 2020, 03:12:05 PM
where to?https://youtu.be/g3X3rKtruSg
I see what you did there :lol
I'm planning to travel Germany in a month so it would be a real shame if they'd close the border because of the stupid virus.
Post by: vr46mk on March 02, 2020, 03:38:25 PM
MotoGP class cancelled their season opener i Qatar. Most teams fly from Italy, and Qatar have decided that everyone arriving from there will be put in a 2w quarantine...
So, might be media blowing things up (as usual) but still some really sad results of this virus... Was really looking forward to the Qatar GP.
Post by: jbaent on March 02, 2020, 04:34:39 PM
:smack
Post by: ds1984 on March 02, 2020, 08:57:11 PM
Yes, they are very concerned about catching a flu...
:smack
Two additional confirmed cases of coronavirus disease reported in Qatar (https://www.gulf-times.com/story/657281/Two-additional-confirmed-cases-of-coronavirus-dise#section_178)
Qatar reports four additional cases of coronavirus (https://www.gulf-times.com/story/657381/Qatar-reports-four-additional-cases-of-coronavirus)
Post by: dmg on March 02, 2020, 09:48:52 PM
Yes, they are very concerned about catching a flu...
:smack
Influenza we have a vaccine for, Covid-19 we don't and it is more deadly. Today Italy announced 52 deaths from it so I think it should be taken seriously.
Post by: quizzaciously on March 02, 2020, 10:10:28 PM
where to?https://youtu.be/g3X3rKtruSg
I see what you did there :lol
I'm planning to travel Germany in a month so it would be a real shame if they'd close the border because of the stupid virus.
Hamburg and Stuttgart hopefully, but it seems to me that the virus situation escalates so quickly there's a chance of the virus taking over my holiday.
Post by: jbaent on March 03, 2020, 02:31:12 PM
Yes, they are very concerned about catching a flu...
:smack
Influenza we have a vaccine for, Covid-19 we don't and it is more deadly. Today Italy announced 52 deaths from it so I think it should be taken seriously.
More people dies from flu but they don't say it on the news, it will ruin their end of the world piece of news...
Post by: ingridswing on March 03, 2020, 05:01:19 PM
Yes, they are very concerned about catching a flu...
:smack
Influenza we have a vaccine for, Covid-19 we don't and it is more deadly. Today Italy announced 52 deaths from it so I think it should be taken seriously.
More people dies from flu but they don't say it on the news, it will ruin their end of the world piece of news...
That's right Jbaent. I heard that worldwide between 250.000 and 500.000 die from flu every year. That means at least 20.000 every month as an average.
So January and February would mean at least 40.000 people died from flu. Compared to 3.000-4.000 people who died from Covid19 in the same time.
Post by: Pottel on March 03, 2020, 05:05:24 PM
we cannot compare apples and oranges.
we have vaccines against the different strains of flu (or mortality would of course be much, much higher)
going foward, a vaccine WILL be found, and it will become one of many flu variants that travel the globe every year.
Also, it is really only older people that should be scared, and i am talking 70 and upwards.
up to 49 years old the risk of dying from this new virus is roughly 0,3%
for the group 79 yrs and older it is already 14,8%
40.000 people diead from the flu this year alone, true, BUT, many, mannnnnnny more got it and got well again. mortality for normal flu is far below the Covid19 number.
Post by: jbaent on March 03, 2020, 05:20:44 PM
Post by: superval99 on March 03, 2020, 06:12:31 PM
Also, it is really only older people that should be scared, and i am talking 70 and upwards.
Pottel, your post doesn't comfort me at all! :o ;D
Post by: ds1984 on March 03, 2020, 08:12:14 PM
Also many got the covid and got well too. But the media does not talk about it as it doesn't fit with his end of the world scenario...
This is because YOU are not well informed.
Some medias are better than others, you have not to stick with the 24/7 trash news channel.
Post by: jbaent on March 03, 2020, 09:55:45 PM
Also many got the covid and got well too. But the media does not talk about it as it doesn't fit with his end of the world scenario...
This is because YOU are not well informed.
Some medias are better than others, you have not to stick with the 24/7 trash news channel.
Spanish press all stick to alarmisme.
I trust in the "comunicados" from the medical sources.
The medical sources in Spain they all say that despite having vaccines for normal flu, lot of people (usually old with previous health problem) doesn't go to have their vaccine and die from normal flu. And despite not existing vaccine for the covid, anyway from the covid die less people than from normal flu...
That comes from medical sources, not from the alarmist press media.
Post by: jbaent on March 03, 2020, 10:13:45 PM
Forgive me for it being sexist!
Post by: Pottel on March 04, 2020, 09:42:17 AM
:waveThis meme pretty much explains it very well.so true! therefore, so good.
Forgive me for it being sexist!
Post by: Pottel on March 04, 2020, 09:43:16 AM
Val don't be silly, we all know you are on the bright side of 45!
Also, it is really only older people that should be scared, and i am talking 70 and upwards.
Pottel, your post doesn't comfort me at all! :o ;D
Post by: Pottel on March 04, 2020, 09:44:29 AM
very true. i am news addicted, so i grab all and every news outlet i can get, without the paywall (i only pay for the washington Post, for now)Also many got the covid and got well too. But the media does not talk about it as it doesn't fit with his end of the world scenario...
This is because YOU are not well informed.
Some medias are better than others, you have not to stick with the 24/7 trash news channel.
and it is only when seeing different news outlets that you will be able to filter the facts from the dribble
Post by: superval99 on March 04, 2020, 09:58:53 AM
Val don't be silly, we all know you are on the bright side of 45!
Also, it is really only older people that should be scared, and i am talking 70 and upwards.
Pottel, your post doesn't comfort me at all! :o ;D
I wish! ;D
Post by: PensaGhost on March 11, 2020, 10:15:03 PM
Post by: Pottel on March 12, 2020, 01:29:41 PM
In Italy we just closed all shops but food stores and pharmaciesi think we all read that.
is public transport still working? (trams, busses etc..)
also, are people supposed to do homeoffice wherever possible? or no such advice?
hope all is well for all our italian friends.
Post by: PensaGhost on March 12, 2020, 03:42:32 PM
In Italy we just closed all shops but food stores and pharmaciesi think we all read that.
is public transport still working? (trams, busses etc..)
also, are people supposed to do homeoffice wherever possible? or no such advice?
hope all is well for all our italian friends.
public transport working but basically empty
some people work at home if possible yes
have a walk is possible but not advised
Post by: dmg on March 12, 2020, 04:48:37 PM
In Italy we just closed all shops but food stores and pharmaciesi think we all read that.
is public transport still working? (trams, busses etc..)
also, are people supposed to do homeoffice wherever possible? or no such advice?
hope all is well for all our italian friends.
public transport working but basically empty
some people work at home if possible yes
have a walk is possible but not advised
I'm going to the football tonight attended by fans travelling from the biggest hit area of Germany. The return leg is currently to be played behind closed doors, but the competition is at risk of being cancelled anyway with a meeting tomorrow. Probably a meaningless game tonight and a strange atmosphere. :-\
Post by: PensaGhost on March 12, 2020, 06:16:35 PM
In Italy we just closed all shops but food stores and pharmaciesi think we all read that.
is public transport still working? (trams, busses etc..)
also, are people supposed to do homeoffice wherever possible? or no such advice?
hope all is well for all our italian friends.
public transport working but basically empty
some people work at home if possible yes
have a walk is possible but not advised
I'm going to the football tonight attended by fans travelling from the biggest hit area of Germany. The return leg is currently to be played behind closed doors, but the competition is at risk of being cancelled anyway with a meeting tomorrow. Probably a meaningless game tonight and a strange atmosphere. :-\
DO NOT GO, don't risk, all competitions will never be completed this season, maybe even next season is at risk
Post by: ds1984 on March 12, 2020, 08:50:33 PM
Today at a food shop I was so upset by someone that was staying too close behind me!
Post by: PensaGhost on March 13, 2020, 01:38:22 AM
Very strange situation waiting for a big disaster...that may never happen.
Today at a food shop I was so upset by someone that was staying too close behind me!
Put on a protective mask and they will stay very far away
Post by: jbaent on March 13, 2020, 11:06:23 AM
Very strange situation waiting for a big disaster...that may never happen.
Today at a food shop I was so upset by someone that was staying too close behind me!
Put on a protective mask and they will stay very far away
Or start coughing very loud...
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 13, 2020, 02:27:46 PM
Post by: 2manyguitars on March 13, 2020, 04:05:07 PM
Post by: dmg on March 13, 2020, 10:05:23 PM
In Italy we just closed all shops but food stores and pharmaciesi think we all read that.
is public transport still working? (trams, busses etc..)
also, are people supposed to do homeoffice wherever possible? or no such advice?
hope all is well for all our italian friends.
public transport working but basically empty
some people work at home if possible yes
have a walk is possible but not advised
I'm going to the football tonight attended by fans travelling from the biggest hit area of Germany. The return leg is currently to be played behind closed doors, but the competition is at risk of being cancelled anyway with a meeting tomorrow. Probably a meaningless game tonight and a strange atmosphere. :-\
DO NOT GO, don't risk, all competitions will never be completed this season, maybe even next season is at risk
Went to the game and looks like it was the last game this season! The football authorities are now at odds with what to do. It's not due to peak here for another 12-14 weeks and players contracts will have expired and no time to play the remaining games. They will have to declare the season null and void with winners and relegation places still to be decided.
The financial consequences for the smaller clubs here will no doubt put some out of business.
Post by: 2manyguitars on March 14, 2020, 10:14:20 AM
In Italy we just closed all shops but food stores and pharmaciesi think we all read that.
is public transport still working? (trams, busses etc..)
also, are people supposed to do homeoffice wherever possible? or no such advice?
hope all is well for all our italian friends.
public transport working but basically empty
some people work at home if possible yes
have a walk is possible but not advised
I'm going to the football tonight attended by fans travelling from the biggest hit area of Germany. The return leg is currently to be played behind closed doors, but the competition is at risk of being cancelled anyway with a meeting tomorrow. Probably a meaningless game tonight and a strange atmosphere. :-\
DO NOT GO, don't risk, all competitions will never be completed this season, maybe even next season is at risk
Went to the game and looks like it was the last game this season! The football authorities are now at odds with what to do. It's not due to peak here for another 12-14 weeks and players contracts will have expired and no time to play the remaining games. They will have to declare the season null and void with winners and relegation places still to be decided.
The financial consequences for the smaller clubs here will no doubt put some out of business. :(
Whatever happens they will find a method to complete at least the domestic season, even if they delay next years. Promotion to the PL for example is worth 20/30 mil per club. The litigation surrounding an abandoned season would be (like covid 19) unprecedented.
Post by: dmg on March 14, 2020, 12:02:00 PM
In Italy we just closed all shops but food stores and pharmaciesi think we all read that.
is public transport still working? (trams, busses etc..)
also, are people supposed to do homeoffice wherever possible? or no such advice?
hope all is well for all our italian friends.
public transport working but basically empty
some people work at home if possible yes
have a walk is possible but not advised
I'm going to the football tonight attended by fans travelling from the biggest hit area of Germany. The return leg is currently to be played behind closed doors, but the competition is at risk of being cancelled anyway with a meeting tomorrow. Probably a meaningless game tonight and a strange atmosphere. :-\
DO NOT GO, don't risk, all competitions will never be completed this season, maybe even next season is at risk
Went to the game and looks like it was the last game this season! The football authorities are now at odds with what to do. It's not due to peak here for another 12-14 weeks and players contracts will have expired and no time to play the remaining games. They will have to declare the season null and void with winners and relegation places still to be decided.
The financial consequences for the smaller clubs here will no doubt put some out of business. :(
Whatever happens they will find a method to complete at least the domestic season, even if they delay next years. Promotion to the PL for example is worth 20/30 mil per club. The litigation surrounding an abandoned season would be (like covid 19) unprecedented.
I understand what you're saying but I can't see how, and that's not how they're starting to talk here now. The player's union have said there will be no games played behind closed doors so it rules that out. Some players contracts will be up in May too so the games would have to be played before then. Last time anything like this happened was during WWII and even then the league was completed, just not officially counted.
Post by: Pottel on March 14, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
I think we can say in times like these, that shit matters jack shitIn Italy we just closed all shops but food stores and pharmaciesi think we all read that.
is public transport still working? (trams, busses etc..)
also, are people supposed to do homeoffice wherever possible? or no such advice?
hope all is well for all our italian friends.
public transport working but basically empty
some people work at home if possible yes
have a walk is possible but not advised
I'm going to the football tonight attended by fans travelling from the biggest hit area of Germany. The return leg is currently to be played behind closed doors, but the competition is at risk of being cancelled anyway with a meeting tomorrow. Probably a meaningless game tonight and a strange atmosphere. :-\
DO NOT GO, don't risk, all competitions will never be completed this season, maybe even next season is at risk
Went to the game and looks like it was the last game this season! The football authorities are now at odds with what to do. It's not due to peak here for another 12-14 weeks and players contracts will have expired and no time to play the remaining games. They will have to declare the season null and void with winners and relegation places still to be decided.
The financial consequences for the smaller clubs here will no doubt put some out of business. :(
Whatever happens they will find a method to complete at least the domestic season, even if they delay next years. Promotion to the PL for example is worth 20/30 mil per club. The litigation surrounding an abandoned season would be (like covid 19) unprecedented.
I understand what you're saying but I can't see how, and that's not how they're starting to talk here now. The player's union have said there will be no games played behind closed doors so it rules that out. Some players contracts will be up in May too so the games would have to be played before then. Last time anything like this happened was during WWII and even then the league was completed, just not officially counted.
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Post by: dmg on March 14, 2020, 02:35:53 PM
I think we can say in times like these, that shit matters jack shit
Whatever happens they will find a method to complete at least the domestic season, even if they delay next years. Promotion to the PL for example is worth 20/30 mil per club. The litigation surrounding an abandoned season would be (like covid 19) unprecedented.
I understand what you're saying but I can't see how, and that's not how they're starting to talk here now. The player's union have said there will be no games played behind closed doors so it rules that out. Some players contracts will be up in May too so the games would have to be played before then. Last time anything like this happened was during WWII and even then the league was completed, just not officially counted.
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Nothing wrong with discussing it I think. England and most leagues in Europe are run by TV money but most clubs in Scotland survive week to week basically on gate receipts, even in the Premiership, so this will have a dramatic effect on football with a knock-on effect to associated businesses such as catering, local pubs, transport etc.
Post by: PensaGhost on March 14, 2020, 02:38:35 PM
Post by: Pottel on March 14, 2020, 02:42:22 PM
I think we can say in times like these, that shit matters jack shit
Whatever happens they will find a method to complete at least the domestic season, even if they delay next years. Promotion to the PL for example is worth 20/30 mil per club. The litigation surrounding an abandoned season would be (like covid 19) unprecedented.
I understand what you're saying but I can't see how, and that's not how they're starting to talk here now. The player's union have said there will be no games played behind closed doors so it rules that out. Some players contracts will be up in May too so the games would have to be played before then. Last time anything like this happened was during WWII and even then the league was completed, just not officially counted.
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Nothing wrong with discussing it I think. England and most leagues in Europe are run by TV money but most clubs in Scotland survive week to week basically on gate receipts, even in the Premiership, so this will have a dramatic effect on football with a knock-on effect to associated businesses such as catering, local pubs, transport etc.
[/quote]Far more businesses and people outside the football business are being affected. Totally irrelevant
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Post by: superval99 on March 14, 2020, 03:03:52 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on March 14, 2020, 04:55:21 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/uks-coronavirus-strategy-just-let-it-happen-and-hope-herd-immunity
Very Risky stuff
Post by: PensaGhost on March 14, 2020, 07:55:14 PM
UK the only one with different strategy
Post by: Pottel on March 14, 2020, 08:21:28 PM
Spain and France announce national lockdown like ItalyBelgium did too, yesterday. Though normal stores should only close during the weekend. Bars and restaurants are closed, except for takeaway
UK the only one with different strategy
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Post by: ds1984 on March 14, 2020, 08:22:41 PM
Covid-19 is an everyday subject and when time come to think about something else and enjoy it is cancelled because of that damned virus.
We don't know what will happened and predict how things will turn but the better thing to do is to keep calm and act responsibly.
Post by: PensaGhost on March 14, 2020, 08:54:31 PM
This is a good link to track the overall situation and each country,
China has had very few cases recently so it seems the lockdown works after 2-3 weeks
Post by: ds1984 on March 14, 2020, 09:05:16 PM
China has had very few cases recently so it seems the lockdown works after 2-3 weeks
At this state we can't say as the virs may evolve and a second wave can happen.
Of course hearing that China has less and less new case is recomforting - at least they are good news.
But we had to keep in mind that we are living on a day by day basis and tomorrow may sound different.
Post by: dmg on March 14, 2020, 09:53:44 PM
I think we can say in times like these, that shit matters jack shit
Whatever happens they will find a method to complete at least the domestic season, even if they delay next years. Promotion to the PL for example is worth 20/30 mil per club. The litigation surrounding an abandoned season would be (like covid 19) unprecedented.
I understand what you're saying but I can't see how, and that's not how they're starting to talk here now. The player's union have said there will be no games played behind closed doors so it rules that out. Some players contracts will be up in May too so the games would have to be played before then. Last time anything like this happened was during WWII and even then the league was completed, just not officially counted.
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Nothing wrong with discussing it I think. England and most leagues in Europe are run by TV money but most clubs in Scotland survive week to week basically on gate receipts, even in the Premiership, so this will have a dramatic effect on football with a knock-on effect to associated businesses such as catering, local pubs, transport etc.
Far more businesses and people outside the football business are being affected. Totally irrelevant
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I don't agree it's "totally irrelevant." Aside from things I've already mentioned it provides an entertainment to millions and a good social experience to those who attend the games. If a few businesses go down the tubes it probably won't affect me the way this will, but I won't call them irrelevant.
Football discussion over. :-X
Post by: Pottel on March 14, 2020, 11:13:07 PM
I think we can say in times like these, that shit matters jack shit
Whatever happens they will find a method to complete at least the domestic season, even if they delay next years. Promotion to the PL for example is worth 20/30 mil per club. The litigation surrounding an abandoned season would be (like covid 19) unprecedented.
I understand what you're saying but I can't see how, and that's not how they're starting to talk here now. The player's union have said there will be no games played behind closed doors so it rules that out. Some players contracts will be up in May too so the games would have to be played before then. Last time anything like this happened was during WWII and even then the league was completed, just not officially counted.
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Nothing wrong with discussing it I think. England and most leagues in Europe are run by TV money but most clubs in Scotland survive week to week basically on gate receipts, even in the Premiership, so this will have a dramatic effect on football with a knock-on effect to associated businesses such as catering, local pubs, transport etc.
Far more businesses and people outside the football business are being affected. Totally irrelevant
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I don't agree it's "totally irrelevant." Aside from things I've already mentioned it provides an entertainment to millions and a good social experience to those who attend the games. If a few businesses go down the tubes it probably won't affect me the way this will, but I won't call them irrelevant.
Football discussion over. :-X
[/quote]Noice
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Post by: Fletch on March 15, 2020, 12:44:14 PM
Anyone interested in the hard core Math (still entertaining) of the curve shape I recommend 3Blue1Brown's great vid about exponential growth followed by saturation.
https://youtu.be/Kas0tIxDvrg
China's data of cases follows this graph exactly and wherever a geographical region puts in good controls (and limits contagion) that shape will follow, for example I expect Italy will saturate at a similar rate.
This BBC article has a nice 'easy on the eye' overview
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105?fbclid=IwAR3vvUeZNnLYKiZHUCsdm4krJOttcU0zVD8_x6nzOyRqKCMb7q90jhyl1C0
What I love about this is that the Italian data (if taken at face value / and I admit a few more days would be nice) shows a hopeful change of trend and yet the BBC headlines this W.H.O. table with "Italy has seen a steep rise in new cases" - Well, yes, but that isn't the whole story, it's a really bad, alarmist title for a statistical graph.
Stay safe everyone, and please take a novel contagious virus with severe outcomes seriously.
Post by: ds1984 on March 15, 2020, 02:34:59 PM
Post by: Pottel on March 15, 2020, 03:57:11 PM
One nice thing about this is that people are becoming interested in data, it's predictive power and the limitations of what it can predict.Very interesting, thnx. Already spreading
Anyone interested in the hard core Math (still entertaining) of the curve shape I recommend 3Blue1Brown's great vid about exponential growth followed by saturation.
https://youtu.be/Kas0tIxDvrg
China's data of cases follows this graph exactly and wherever a geographical region puts in good controls (and limits contagion) that shape will follow, for example I expect Italy will saturate at a similar rate.
This BBC article has a nice 'easy on the eye' overview
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105?fbclid=IwAR3vvUeZNnLYKiZHUCsdm4krJOttcU0zVD8_x6nzOyRqKCMb7q90jhyl1C0
What I love about this is that the Italian data (if taken at face value / and I admit a few more days would be nice) shows a hopeful change of trend and yet the BBC headlines this W.H.O. table with "Italy has seen a steep rise in new cases" - Well, yes, but that isn't the whole story, it's a really bad, alarmist title for a statistical graph.
Stay safe everyone, and please take a novel contagious virus with severe outcomes seriously.
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Post by: Pottel on March 15, 2020, 03:57:41 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/culturecrave/status/1238563510822391808
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Post by: PensaGhost on March 15, 2020, 08:03:51 PM
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 15, 2020, 08:07:04 PM
I think we can say in times like these, that shit matters jack shit
Whatever happens they will find a method to complete at least the domestic season, even if they delay next years. Promotion to the PL for example is worth 20/30 mil per club. The litigation surrounding an abandoned season would be (like covid 19) unprecedented.
I understand what you're saying but I can't see how, and that's not how they're starting to talk here now. The player's union have said there will be no games played behind closed doors so it rules that out. Some players contracts will be up in May too so the games would have to be played before then. Last time anything like this happened was during WWII and even then the league was completed, just not officially counted.
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Nothing wrong with discussing it I think. England and most leagues in Europe are run by TV money but most clubs in Scotland survive week to week basically on gate receipts, even in the Premiership, so this will have a dramatic effect on football with a knock-on effect to associated businesses such as catering, local pubs, transport etc.
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Facepainters...
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Post by: dustyvalentino on March 15, 2020, 08:11:12 PM
I can easily work from home but so far my employer hasn’t told me to... with the current UK govt advice I have to do what my employer says.
Imagine this had happened last year, still have the scars from 2003.
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Post by: ds1984 on March 16, 2020, 01:08:14 PM
Possible global quarantine announced within the next 48 hours.
Post by: jbaent on March 16, 2020, 01:31:56 PM
France enters the eyes of the storm : twice as much new cases every three days...
Possible global quarantine announced within the next 48 hours.
Welcome to the quarantine zone!
Post by: PensaGhost on March 16, 2020, 05:48:24 PM
let's hope this continues the next key days, means lockdown would work like in China
Post by: Pottel on March 16, 2020, 05:59:57 PM
Lombardy and my city which is quite close to Lombardy had a decent/better number (fewer new cases) today than yesterday,Germany is now (finally) also going in lockdown, after Italy, Spain, Belgium, France and Holland.
let's hope this continues the next key days, means lockdown would work like in China
Now all that is left is the UK....
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Post by: Banjo99uk on March 16, 2020, 08:26:54 PM
Lombardy and my city which is quite close to Lombardy had a decent/better number (fewer new cases) today than yesterday,Germany is now (finally) also going in lockdown, after Italy, Spain, Belgium, France and Holland.
let's hope this continues the next key days, means lockdown would work like in China
Now all that is left is the UK....
All travel and socialising to be avoided in UK. We will be in full lock down soon. I think they’ve tried to to a bit a day to avoid social unrest and panic.
Post by: Stanko on March 16, 2020, 09:58:59 PM
Hi Pottel, i have no wish to stay around and watch your self-importance jig.Lombardy and my city which is quite close to Lombardy had a decent/better number (fewer new cases) today than yesterday,Germany is now (finally) also going in lockdown, after Italy, Spain, Belgium, France and Holland.
let's hope this continues the next key days, means lockdown would work like in China
Now all that is left is the UK....
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I wish you sunny skies and happiness wherever you may go, AND a journey filled with sex!
Post by: Pottel on March 16, 2020, 10:28:04 PM
Not sure what your issue is, you were trolling, or whatever it was and I asked you to explain or delete your work. Subsequently your posts dissapear, now this?Hi Pottel, i have no wish to stay around and watch your self-importance jig.Lombardy and my city which is quite close to Lombardy had a decent/better number (fewer new cases) today than yesterday,Germany is now (finally) also going in lockdown, after Italy, Spain, Belgium, France and Holland.
let's hope this continues the next key days, means lockdown would work like in China
Now all that is left is the UK....
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Post by: PensaGhost on March 17, 2020, 07:17:23 PM
Post by: jbaent on March 17, 2020, 08:28:56 PM
Post by: Pottel on March 18, 2020, 11:54:16 AM
http://email.wordfly.com/view/?sid=OTNfNTUwOTBfOTk1ODQ1XzY5MTI&l=d459dbb6-8668-ea11-bd94-e61f134a8c87&utm_source=wordfly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=customer-information&utm_term=hall-closure-newsletter-list-a&utm_content=version_A&emailsource=53159
basically RAH is closing its doors.
Post by: Knopflerfan on March 18, 2020, 11:55:25 AM
I think we can say in times like these, that shit matters jack shit
Whatever happens they will find a method to complete at least the domestic season, even if they delay next years. Promotion to the PL for example is worth 20/30 mil per club. The litigation surrounding an abandoned season would be (like covid 19) unprecedented.
I understand what you're saying but I can't see how, and that's not how they're starting to talk here now. The player's union have said there will be no games played behind closed doors so it rules that out. Some players contracts will be up in May too so the games would have to be played before then. Last time anything like this happened was during WWII and even then the league was completed, just not officially counted.
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Nothing wrong with discussing it I think. England and most leagues in Europe are run by TV money but most clubs in Scotland survive week to week basically on gate receipts, even in the Premiership, so this will have a dramatic effect on football with a knock-on effect to associated businesses such as catering, local pubs, transport etc.
Far more businesses and people outside the football business are being affected. Totally irrelevant
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I don't agree it's "totally irrelevant." Aside from things I've already mentioned it provides an entertainment to millions and a good social experience to those who attend the games. If a few businesses go down the tubes it probably won't affect me the way this will, but I won't call them irrelevant.
Football discussion over. :-X
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Thank goodness! Football isn't the ONLY sport!!
Post by: Pottel on March 18, 2020, 12:04:17 PM
I think we can say in times like these, that shit matters jack shit
Whatever happens they will find a method to complete at least the domestic season, even if they delay next years. Promotion to the PL for example is worth 20/30 mil per club. The litigation surrounding an abandoned season would be (like covid 19) unprecedented.
I understand what you're saying but I can't see how, and that's not how they're starting to talk here now. The player's union have said there will be no games played behind closed doors so it rules that out. Some players contracts will be up in May too so the games would have to be played before then. Last time anything like this happened was during WWII and even then the league was completed, just not officially counted.
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Nothing wrong with discussing it I think. England and most leagues in Europe are run by TV money but most clubs in Scotland survive week to week basically on gate receipts, even in the Premiership, so this will have a dramatic effect on football with a knock-on effect to associated businesses such as catering, local pubs, transport etc.
Far more businesses and people outside the football business are being affected. Totally irrelevant
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I don't agree it's "totally irrelevant." Aside from things I've already mentioned it provides an entertainment to millions and a good social experience to those who attend the games. If a few businesses go down the tubes it probably won't affect me the way this will, but I won't call them irrelevant.
Football discussion over. :-X
Thank goodness! Football isn't the ONLY sport!!
[/quote] +1 (and i love football)
Post by: PensaGhost on March 18, 2020, 06:14:04 PM
Post by: Pottel on March 18, 2020, 07:31:18 PM
Italy almost 500 deaths only todaySo football really is of no issue whatsoever these days
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Post by: 2manyguitars on March 20, 2020, 09:34:02 AM
Italy almost 500 deaths only todaySo football really is of no issue whatsoever these days
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Nothing is of relevance when faced with this virus, football, music, Mark Knopfler, Nothing....
Post by: PensaGhost on March 20, 2020, 03:36:10 PM
but by being asymptomatic they don't quarantine and infect others
Post by: Robson on March 21, 2020, 02:44:01 AM
Love,
Mark
Post by: PensaGhost on March 21, 2020, 05:24:25 PM
Post by: naif on March 21, 2020, 06:45:21 PM
More than 500 deaths only in Lombardy only today, I guess the national number out later will be really bad
Take care man, all our sympathies with you. Your nation's defensive skills are very good man, you'll defeat this fucking virus too...
Post by: holaknopfler on March 21, 2020, 09:29:11 PM
Post by: SamGolden on March 22, 2020, 08:13:51 AM
More than 500 deaths only in Lombardy only today, I guess the national number out later will be really bad
Strenght and courage PensaBoy... :clap at 8.00 pm
Post by: shangri la 1 on March 23, 2020, 08:36:09 AM
#viralkindness
https://twitter.com/hashtag/viralkindness?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Ehashtag
WHY WORRY with Mark's Message at the end....
WHEN ANXIETY OR STRESSFUL THOUGHTS ARRIVE
COME HERE - CLOSE YOUR EYES AND BREATH DEEPLY
HOPE WILL KEEP US TOGETHER. HELPING EACH OTHER.
HAVE FAITH IN OUR SCIENCE & MEDICAL COMMUNITIES
THEY WON’T FAIL US. LISTEN TO ONLY TRUSTED ADVICE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMwq_qMdRRs
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Post by: Silvertown on March 25, 2020, 07:12:26 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on March 25, 2020, 09:00:26 PM
Everything ok, Pensa?
Still in 'war' mode for a long while I guess, some friends have parents/relatives who died or are currently covid infected
Post by: Pottel on March 26, 2020, 08:45:59 AM
Post by: ingridswing on March 26, 2020, 09:36:25 AM
Post by: 2manyguitars on March 26, 2020, 10:05:30 PM
I do hope the world learns something valuable from all of this....
Post by: PensaGhost on March 28, 2020, 03:45:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O51LOuQzROI
New York
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNokTP86G9w
London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW2UBeusF8E
Paris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2o75sfPv4M
Post by: Pottel on March 28, 2020, 04:02:51 PM
Los AngelesThe one thing that it is good for is nature....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O51LOuQzROI
New York
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNokTP86G9w
London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW2UBeusF8E
Paris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2o75sfPv4M
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Post by: Silvertown on March 28, 2020, 06:05:43 PM
Post by: Banjo99uk on March 28, 2020, 06:23:10 PM
Post by: superval99 on March 28, 2020, 06:40:40 PM
Both my wife and I seem to have it. She’s NHS and I’m London Underground and haven’t till now stopped working. It was inevitable we would get it though. She’s a lot worse than me but in the grand scheme both mild symptoms. I would say the fatigue is extraordinarily and relentless. Every time I think it’s starting to subside and do I anything energetic, it gets back up with a frying pan and smacks me straight back down. I think the kids have it but virtually no symptoms, just a bit more grumpy and tired than usual. Although its a lot of doom and gloom out there, hopefully the vast majority of us only get these mild symptoms. Stay safe fellow fans of good music.
Banjo, I send you, your wife and family my best wishes and hope you will come through the other end of it all very soon. Take care!
Post by: ds1984 on March 28, 2020, 06:57:07 PM
Hope for your family and you to recover as fast as possible
Post by: SamGolden on March 28, 2020, 07:23:37 PM
My thougts and my hope fort your wife and you :thumbsup
Post by: PensaGhost on March 28, 2020, 07:26:37 PM
Both my wife and I seem to have it. She’s NHS and I’m London Underground and haven’t till now stopped working. It was inevitable we would get it though. She’s a lot worse than me but in the grand scheme both mild symptoms. I would say the fatigue is extraordinarily and relentless. Every time I think it’s starting to subside and do I anything energetic, it gets back up with a frying pan and smacks me straight back down. I think the kids have it but virtually no symptoms, just a bit more grumpy and tired than usual. Although its a lot of doom and gloom out there, hopefully the vast majority of us only get these mild symptoms. Stay safe fellow fans of good music.
Good Luck, Did you call to be tested ?
Fever ? I heard a lot of stories that it starts with a 39-39.5 fever and less than 95% Finger Pulse Oximeter value,
that small lightweight device used to monitor the amount of oxygen in the body
Post by: Banjo99uk on March 28, 2020, 08:13:55 PM
Post by: superval99 on March 29, 2020, 12:09:25 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8163587/PETER-HITCHENS-Great-Panic-foolish-freedom-broken-economy-crippled.html
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 29, 2020, 12:32:49 PM
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Post by: Pottel on March 29, 2020, 01:08:00 PM
Both my wife and I seem to have it. She’s NHS and I’m London Underground and haven’t till now stopped working. It was inevitable we would get it though. She’s a lot worse than me but in the grand scheme both mild symptoms. I would say the fatigue is extraordinarily and relentless. Every time I think it’s starting to subside and do I anything energetic, it gets back up with a frying pan and smacks me straight back down. I think the kids have it but virtually no symptoms, just a bit more grumpy and tired than usual. Although its a lot of doom and gloom out there, hopefully the vast majority of us only get these mild symptoms. Stay safe fellow fans of good music.my thoughts bro, get well soon. pls keep us informed!
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 29, 2020, 01:26:56 PM
Happier times Val :)
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Post by: superval99 on March 29, 2020, 01:59:54 PM
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Happier times Val :)
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Thanks for the memory, dusty! It was a great weekend. :wave
Post by: 2manyguitars on March 29, 2020, 02:01:58 PM
Another view of the Coronavirus pandemic which I found quite interesting:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8163587/PETER-HITCHENS-Great-Panic-foolish-freedom-broken-economy-crippled.html
Thanks Superval.
An interesting viewpoint in true Hitchens family style (Many still desperately miss his brothers contributions). My only concern with his views are this.
Would the neo liberals at the heart of our collective governments really do this much damage, run up this much debt, and scar so many countries forever on the basis of pure panic?
Way to much self interest involved for it to be true surely?
It is a viewpoint that does nag at you though....
Post by: ds1984 on March 29, 2020, 04:36:21 PM
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Happier times Val :)
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2002?
Post by: superval99 on March 29, 2020, 04:52:14 PM
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Happier times Val :)
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2002?
2007 at Hay-on-Wye.
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 29, 2020, 05:28:26 PM
And I still have the shirt!
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Post by: superval99 on March 29, 2020, 05:58:15 PM
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 29, 2020, 06:23:32 PM
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Post by: ingridswing on March 31, 2020, 12:11:51 PM
Both my wife and I seem to have it. She’s NHS and I’m London Underground and haven’t till now stopped working. It was inevitable we would get it though. She’s a lot worse than me but in the grand scheme both mild symptoms. I would say the fatigue is extraordinarily and relentless. Every time I think it’s starting to subside and do I anything energetic, it gets back up with a frying pan and smacks me straight back down. I think the kids have it but virtually no symptoms, just a bit more grumpy and tired than usual. Although its a lot of doom and gloom out there, hopefully the vast majority of us only get these mild symptoms. Stay safe fellow fans of good music.
Get well soon Banjo!!!
Post by: PensaGhost on April 04, 2020, 04:11:54 PM
Post by: dmg on April 07, 2020, 12:25:22 PM
We can't stay indoors all our lives so this is coming back and as it mutates it's getting more dangerous. I don't really have any hope for a vaccine. The only infectious disease we've ever eradicated is smallpox.
Post by: PensaGhost on April 07, 2020, 02:22:25 PM
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
Post by: dmg on April 07, 2020, 04:07:48 PM
Let's hope this one works eventually, in vitro works big time
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
I still have my doubts but stand to be corrected. :thumbsup
Post by: PensaGhost on May 04, 2020, 03:45:21 PM
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 05, 2020, 07:29:42 PM
I am hearing plasma transfusions from covid survivors here in italy are much better than anything else, About 100 severely ill, all recovered, and it works fast, within few hours you already feel better, hope it's the final solutionUnfortunate turn of phrase...
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Post by: PensaGhost on May 05, 2020, 08:34:34 PM
I am hearing plasma transfusions from covid survivors here in italy are much better than anything else, About 100 severely ill, all recovered, and it works fast, within few hours you already feel better, hope it's the final solutionUnfortunate turn of phrase...
? what do you mean ?
I mean it seems that plasma transfusions from covid survivors here in italy are much better than any other treatment,
a discovery by a doctor in Mantova, everyone in the study healed, it seems very good news
Post by: Pottel on May 05, 2020, 09:18:52 PM
"...final solution...."I am hearing plasma transfusions from covid survivors here in italy are much better than anything else, About 100 severely ill, all recovered, and it works fast, within few hours you already feel better, hope it's the final solutionUnfortunate turn of phrase...
? what do you mean ?
I mean it seems that plasma transfusions from covid survivors here in italy are much better than any other treatment,
a discovery by a doctor in Mantova, everyone in the study healed, it seems very good news
Ask a German about that ....
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Post by: Love Expresso on May 05, 2020, 10:50:18 PM
Now, first of all, Pensa is an not native English speaker. So even if "Final solution" has become a fix term in English language the same as in Germany, I find it a bit harsh from Dusty and also Pottel to push to it this somewhat secretly or almost arrogant way instead of just saying clearly what your problem is.
I am German and I read Pensa's post yesterday, believe it or not, and I absolutely did not think about that term the slightest, which of course is because I am not an English Native speaker myself. So maybe it's a little too much to ask from people who use not their mother tongue to care about really all historical and political intensions of any text? The good message of Pensa's post should have at least be commented by the two of you as well, don't you think? I am sure you will not intend to assume that Pensa used that term intensionally?
LE
Post by: Pottel on May 05, 2020, 10:59:55 PM
I guess I have to step in here. You both are talking about the German Nazi expression "Endlösung", in English Final Solution, which was referred to the (in Nazi speech) inhuman expression of "Jewish solution", which planned the and ended in genozide, Holocaust.Somehow I knew you would reply. I only wanted to explain what dusty reffered to. As also people who are not English natives sometimes know the "meaning" of that expression.
Now, first of all, Pensa is an not native English speaker. So even if "Final solution" has become a fix term in English language the same as in Germany, I find it a bit harsh from Dusty and also Pottel to push to it this somewhat secretly or almost arrogant way instead of just saying clearly what your problem is.
I am German and I read Pensa's post yesterday, believe it or not, and I absolutely did not think about that term the slightest, which of course is because I am not an English Native speaker myself. So maybe it's a little too much to ask from people who use not their mother tongue to care about really all historical and political intensions of any text? The good message of Pensa's post should have at least be commented by the two of you as well, don't you think? I am sure you will not intend to assume that Pensa used that term intensionally?
LE
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Post by: Pottel on May 05, 2020, 11:00:13 PM
I guess I have to step in here. You both are talking about the German Nazi expression "Endlösung", in English Final Solution, which was referred to the (in Nazi speech) inhuman expression of "Jewish solution", which planned the and ended in genozide, Holocaust.Deffo did not think he used it on purpose!
Now, first of all, Pensa is an not native English speaker. So even if "Final solution" has become a fix term in English language the same as in Germany, I find it a bit harsh from Dusty and also Pottel to push to it this somewhat secretly or almost arrogant way instead of just saying clearly what your problem is.
I am German and I read Pensa's post yesterday, believe it or not, and I absolutely did not think about that term the slightest, which of course is because I am not an English Native speaker myself. So maybe it's a little too much to ask from people who use not their mother tongue to care about really all historical and political intensions of any text? The good message of Pensa's post should have at least be commented by the two of you as well, don't you think? I am sure you will not intend to assume that Pensa used that term intensionally?
LE
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Post by: Love Expresso on May 05, 2020, 11:06:44 PM
LE
Post by: ds1984 on May 05, 2020, 11:55:07 PM
In France too we are avoiding using that term [when referring to something that is not related to The Holocaust].
Post by: Pottel on May 05, 2020, 11:59:17 PM
Ok then. If I would have been Pensa I probably would have preferred a clear answer as I know that both of you are eloquent enough normally instead of those hints. Maybe that got me going. His first answer showed clearly that he had no clue what you were talking about. Hate to get involved in stuff like this but felt I had to say something. Sometimes it's hard to shut up. I leave again. Bye!I DID day "ask a German".....
LE
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Post by: quizzaciously on May 06, 2020, 10:54:49 AM
Post by: PensaGhost on May 06, 2020, 02:17:49 PM
Ok then. If I would have been Pensa I probably would have preferred a clear answer as I know that both of you are eloquent enough normally instead of those hints. Maybe that got me going. His first answer showed clearly that he had no clue what you were talking about. Hate to get involved in stuff like this but felt I had to say something. Sometimes it's hard to shut up. I leave again. Bye!
LE
yes, I had no clue, I went to bed yesterday trying to guess, the outcome I am reading today is beyond my wildest dreams
Post by: Pottel on May 06, 2020, 03:13:21 PM
ok, so now let's move on, end of story. (i mean move on with the main thread topic and not WW2)Ok then. If I would have been Pensa I probably would have preferred a clear answer as I know that both of you are eloquent enough normally instead of those hints. Maybe that got me going. His first answer showed clearly that he had no clue what you were talking about. Hate to get involved in stuff like this but felt I had to say something. Sometimes it's hard to shut up. I leave again. Bye!
LE
yes, I had no clue, I went to bed yesterday trying to guess, the outcome I am reading today is beyond my wildest dreams
Post by: PensaGhost on May 06, 2020, 03:56:16 PM
ok, so now let's move on, end of story. (i mean move on with the main thread topic and not WW2)Ok then. If I would have been Pensa I probably would have preferred a clear answer as I know that both of you are eloquent enough normally instead of those hints. Maybe that got me going. His first answer showed clearly that he had no clue what you were talking about. Hate to get involved in stuff like this but felt I had to say something. Sometimes it's hard to shut up. I leave again. Bye!
LE
yes, I had no clue, I went to bed yesterday trying to guess, the outcome I am reading today is beyond my wildest dreams
you have to tell that to Mr Valentino, who created an incomprehensible mess out of nothing
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Post by: Stanko on May 06, 2020, 07:42:40 PM
Once upon a time, there was a teacher who wants his pupils to tell him what he's just drawn on the slate. A boy named Axle would always be first to come with the solution, and it was a bottom, a poo, a teat, a willy, and a such things. Finally, the teacher warned him, "Axle, please stop your shenanigans at once!"
Axle responded: "How is that? it's all you! As if it's me who draws it all over!
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2020, 09:07:50 AM
Post by: primi on May 08, 2020, 12:17:42 AM
Post by: quizzaciously on May 08, 2020, 12:28:50 AM
I find this most relevant ;D
A good laugh is always relevant, thanks for sharing :lol
Post by: LGarland619 on September 24, 2020, 06:41:51 AM
Post by: Stanko on September 24, 2020, 09:04:34 PM
My grandmother also passed away 3 months ago (luckily not to covi9) >:(
Now hear me you people, when do you plan to stop dying? enough is enough! :D
Post by: PensaGhost on November 21, 2020, 05:51:01 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on December 01, 2020, 03:14:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owveMJBTc2I
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 08, 2021, 02:40:26 PM
Post by: dustyvalentino on January 08, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
I am now 6 days into this dreadful virus and it's not very nice at all, however I feel I'm on the other side now - I'm breathing easier, my taste/smell have returned and feeling somewhat brighter....do not underestimate this virus....Oh man, get well soon.
London is overrun with the virus right now, I hope MK is nowhere near BG.
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Post by: Knopflerfan on January 08, 2021, 02:51:09 PM
I am now 6 days into this dreadful virus and it's not very nice at all, however I feel I'm on the other side now - I'm breathing easier, my taste/smell have returned and feeling somewhat brighter....do not underestimate this virus....Oh man, get well soon.
London is overrun with the virus right now, I hope MK is nowhere near BG.
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Thanks Dusty, I'm truly winning! Thanks in part to having a fantastic caring wife, plenty of chats with dmg and having plenty of MK music on in the background......Indeed I hope MK and also Guy (being also along the South coast) are ok.....
Post by: superval99 on January 08, 2021, 03:35:54 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on January 08, 2021, 03:51:01 PM
I am now 6 days into this dreadful virus and it's not very nice at all, however I feel I'm on the other side now - I'm breathing easier, my taste/smell have returned and feeling somewhat brighter....do not underestimate this virus....
hope you get 100% fine soon !! what treatment did you have ?
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 08, 2021, 06:46:32 PM
It's really been plenty of rest along with lots of hot liquids. I've hardly eaten for 3 days but am managing to eat now....losing complete strength was worrying but that has in time returned.....
Post by: Mudrian on January 08, 2021, 06:46:54 PM
wish you a quick recovery. :thumbsup :thumbsup
Post by: Darling Pretty on January 08, 2021, 09:58:29 PM
and listen to a lot of MK/DS and JB
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 08, 2021, 11:43:44 PM
I'm going into possibly day 7 with this and I actually feel 95%!!! My taste/smell have returned and I'm really feeling well. My Dr today put me on a steroid inhaler to help with the last of my breathing issues, and my lungs do feel as strong as before..
Today was my 46th Birthday and I spent it in style - listening to the master on high volume all afternoon- my God his music is needed all the time! JB is on the backburner as I cant be doing with too many ultra fast solos at the moment and so its 100% melodic Knopfler for the foreseeable!!!!
Post by: Banjo99uk on January 09, 2021, 12:36:34 AM
I am now 6 days into this dreadful virus and it's not very nice at all, however I feel I'm on the other side now - I'm breathing easier, my taste/smell have returned and feeling somewhat brighter....do not underestimate this virus....Oh dear, very sorry to hear you’ve been so unwell but glad to see you’ve turned a corner. My experience having it was not as bad as yours thankfully. My wifes hospital is struggling at the moment but will cope if things don’t get much worse. I really hope these vaccines get us out of this.
Post by: BrianT on January 09, 2021, 01:01:46 PM
I'm going into possibly day 7 with this and I actually feel 95%!!! My taste/smell have returned and I'm really feeling well. My Dr today put me on a steroid inhaler to help with the last of my breathing issues, and my lungs do feel as strong as before..
Today was my 46th Birthday and I spent it in style
Knopflerfan
So glad you are feeling better, what a great way to spend your birthday. :wave
The UK has been hit so hard, my brother in-law has it has well, he is mid 50's
Brian
Ottawa, Canada.
Post by: Pottel on January 09, 2021, 05:34:17 PM
all the best to your wife old friend!I am now 6 days into this dreadful virus and it's not very nice at all, however I feel I'm on the other side now - I'm breathing easier, my taste/smell have returned and feeling somewhat brighter....do not underestimate this virus....Oh dear, very sorry to hear you’ve been so unwell but glad to see you’ve turned a corner. My experience having it was not as bad as yours thankfully. My wifes hospital is struggling at the moment but will cope if things don’t get much worse. I really hope these vaccines get us out of this.
Post by: Pottel on January 09, 2021, 05:36:06 PM
Thankyou...my brother has had it since oct. 7th. feeling much better (but only lately) but still not has 90% of his taste/smell back. covid is a bitch and i hope to stay clear.
It's really been plenty of rest along with lots of hot liquids. I've hardly eaten for 3 days but am managing to eat now....losing complete strength was worrying but that has in time returned.....
Get well soon Knopflerfan!
Post by: Banjo99uk on January 09, 2021, 10:45:01 PM
Cheers Buddy and the same to you. The RAH night seems a long time ago now.all the best to your wife old friend!hI am now 6 days into this dreadful virus and it's not very nice at all, however I feel I'm on the other side now - I'm breathing easier, my taste/smell have returned and feeling somewhat brighter....do not underestimate this virus....Oh dear, very sorry to hear you’ve been so unwell but glad to see you’ve turned a corner. My experience having it was not as bad as yours thankfully. My wifes hospital is struggling at the moment but will cope if things don’t get much worse. I really hope these vaccines get us out of this.
Post by: Pottel on January 10, 2021, 02:25:08 PM
Cheers Buddy and the same to you. The RAH night seems a long time ago now.all the best to your wife old friend!hI am now 6 days into this dreadful virus and it's not very nice at all, however I feel I'm on the other side now - I'm breathing easier, my taste/smell have returned and feeling somewhat brighter....do not underestimate this virus....don't make me feel old bruv...
Oh dear, very sorry to hear you’ve been so unwell but glad to see you’ve turned a corner. My experience having it was not as bad as yours thankfully. My wifes hospital is struggling at the moment but will cope if things don’t get much worse. I really hope these vaccines get us out of this.
Post by: ds1984 on January 11, 2021, 12:43:09 PM
Post by: SamGolden on January 11, 2021, 01:35:02 PM
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 18, 2021, 09:48:59 PM
Thanks for all of the good wishes - best MK forum by far!!!
It's now been two weeks and I'm feeling much better although far from being 'out of the woods' yet.
My breathing for the first 4-5 days was awful - likened to breathing hot flames and losing the senses of smell and taste was awful. Ive never been so scared to be honest...
Thankfully they have returned. Breathing wise I am now on a steroid inhaler twice a day although hopefully I'll wean off of that....
I get very tired, although I'm able to walk with my wife around 5 miles a day but then that's my lot...
I have been most certainly helped by listening to MK over my isolating and even picked up the MK Strat to console myself! Oh how MK music lifts your spirits!!!
I managed to win 6x MK Promo singles for my collection from a local chap who after I won them dropped them to my home so I could listen to them asap! Fantastic eh?!
I think losing 5 stone in weight over a year ago almost certainly saved my life....
Best wishes to all in these strange times
KF
Post by: ingridswing on January 26, 2021, 03:59:57 PM
Post by: KnopfleRick on January 27, 2021, 11:43:02 AM
Glad to hear that you are on the mend, Knopflerfan.
All the best to you and your family and keep your head up! :wave
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 28, 2021, 07:39:00 PM
Good to hear you are recovering well. Big hug!
Thankyou my dear, a hug would make everything oh so much better....are you well?
Post by: Knopflerfan on January 28, 2021, 07:39:30 PM
Glad to hear that you are on the mend, Knopflerfan.
All the best to you and your family and keep your head up! :wave
Thankyou so very much....
Post by: PensaGhost on March 24, 2021, 06:18:26 PM
how are you doing it ?
Post by: superval99 on March 24, 2021, 07:00:34 PM
it seems that in the UK you are vaccinating people very fast compared to the rest of Europe,
how are you doing it ?
We have only one government to consider not 27 different countries! Also we were much more agile in signing up to the vaccine - three months before the EU! We paid for the development of AZ and paid for it up front.
Post by: jbaent on March 24, 2021, 07:13:02 PM
it seems that in the UK you are vaccinating people very fast compared to the rest of Europe,
how are you doing it ?
We have only one government to consider not 27 different countries! Also we were much more agile in signing up to the vaccine - three months before the EU! We paid for the development of AZ and paid for it up front.
Actually the 27 different countries are under one same wing, the UE, who is buying for all the countries at the same price and distributing it equally, otherwise, if every country had gone by himself, one or two countries with more economical power would buy most of the vaccines and the rest will have less or none. If it wasn't because of this, Spain, Portugal or Greece wouldn't had the number of vaccines we have...
Good for you, my British friends. Val, I hope Colin and you got it alredy!
Post by: superval99 on March 24, 2021, 07:17:33 PM
it seems that in the UK you are vaccinating people very fast compared to the rest of Europe,
how are you doing it ?
We have only one government to consider not 27 different countries! Also we were much more agile in signing up to the vaccine - three months before the EU! We paid for the development of AZ and paid for it up front.
Actually the 27 different countries are under one same wing, the UE, who is buying for all the countries at the same price and distributing it equally, otherwise, if every country had gone by himself, one or two countries with more economical power would buy most of the vaccines and the rest will have less or none. If it wasn't because of this, Spain, Portugal or Greece wouldn't had the number of vaccines we have...
Good for you, my British friends. Val, I hope Colin and you got it alredy!
Yes we have had our jabs, thankfully! ;D
Post by: jbaent on March 24, 2021, 07:23:57 PM
it seems that in the UK you are vaccinating people very fast compared to the rest of Europe,
how are you doing it ?
We have only one government to consider not 27 different countries! Also we were much more agile in signing up to the vaccine - three months before the EU! We paid for the development of AZ and paid for it up front.
Actually the 27 different countries are under one same wing, the UE, who is buying for all the countries at the same price and distributing it equally, otherwise, if every country had gone by himself, one or two countries with more economical power would buy most of the vaccines and the rest will have less or none. If it wasn't because of this, Spain, Portugal or Greece wouldn't had the number of vaccines we have...
Good for you, my British friends. Val, I hope Colin and you got it alredy!
Yes we have had our jabs, thankfully! ;D
I'm so glad for both of you. My wife will have her first one this week or next, as she works in education. I'll have to wait until the summer probably.
Post by: PensaGhost on March 24, 2021, 07:40:15 PM
it seems that in the UK you are vaccinating people very fast compared to the rest of Europe,
how are you doing it ?
We have only one government to consider not 27 different countries! Also we were much more agile in signing up to the vaccine - three months before the EU! We paid for the development of AZ and paid for it up front.
Actually it's only 1 month before EU approval, it seems the difference is in the better logistics
Post by: Stanko on March 24, 2021, 09:21:34 PM
Post by: dmg on March 24, 2021, 09:50:17 PM
Post by: Pottel on March 25, 2021, 10:53:13 AM
To put it bluntly, the EU are playing politics with lives. No offence to our German or French friends (although I'm sure they will agree) but Merkel and Macron scaremongering with the AZ vaccine is probably a new low. >:(could've stayed.
must be bitter for our scottish friends.
Post by: Pottel on March 25, 2021, 10:54:48 AM
still, it will never come this far, all part of the play (from both sides) some last minute solution will pop up.
also, Astra zeneca is not entirely guilt free here (as is the EU for not signing better deals and now having to resort to this shit)
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 25, 2021, 11:50:48 AM
surely your fishermen are happy with the humongous gains they got.I think dmg wasn’t talking about the current EU threats, but rather the AZ scaremongering from Macron and others.
still, it will never come this far, all part of the play (from both sides) some last minute solution will pop up.
also, Astra zeneca is not entirely guilt free here (as is the EU for not signing better deals and now having to resort to this shit)
I agree with dmg on this. I hate anti Vaxxers, whether they are heads of state or idiots on Facebook.
Incidentally I had my AZ vaccine two weeks ago and I’m still alive and feeling great.
Post by: Stanko on March 26, 2021, 05:57:28 PM
Post by: Pottel on March 27, 2021, 05:16:02 PM
anti vaxxers should be punished. they play with other people's lives.
but that is just me.
Post by: superval99 on March 27, 2021, 06:04:01 PM
imho everyone should get the vaccine.
anti vaxxers should be punished. they play with other people's lives.
but that is just me.
I agree with you. It should be mandatory, especially for care home staff. The only exception should be those who have allergies.
Post by: Pottel on March 27, 2021, 06:09:50 PM
do not get the allergies reference?imho everyone should get the vaccine.
anti vaxxers should be punished. they play with other people's lives.
but that is just me.
I agree with you. It should be mandatory, especially for care home staff. The only exception should be those who have allergies.
Post by: superval99 on March 27, 2021, 06:17:02 PM
do not get the allergies reference?imho everyone should get the vaccine.
anti vaxxers should be punished. they play with other people's lives.
but that is just me.
I agree with you. It should be mandatory, especially for care home staff. The only exception should be those who have allergies.
Some people have allergic reactions to certain foods, medicines etc. Also people with certain ailments could be exempt.
Post by: Stanko on March 27, 2021, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: superval99 on March 27, 2021, 08:19:04 PM
Punish and mandate by the grand inquistors Val and Pottel! Misanthropic way of showing the love!
I didn't say punishment. The vaccine is the only way to stop thousands and thousands of people dying unnecessarily from this terrible virus. It is the way to freedom. I do happen to care about what happens to the human race, btw!
Post by: Pottel on March 28, 2021, 04:13:56 PM
Punish and mandate by the grand inquistors Val and Pottel! Misanthropic way of showing the love!no clue what you are talking about, if it makes you happy.
jeez
Post by: dmg on March 31, 2021, 11:52:45 AM
Post by: jbaent on March 31, 2021, 12:15:36 PM
Merkel and Macron now turning to Putin for the Russian vaccine because there is little trust in the AZ one after what they've said about it apparently. Now this one has to be approved by the EMA.
There are three actually in distribution and for some reason, the one that is causing controversy for one reason or another is AZ... It's strange you don't hear a thing about Moderna or Pfizer...
AZ is the one that I should have, when they send the vaccines they committed to send. In the meantime, if other are approved, things can go faster! The Johnson's one is promising as only need one shot.
Post by: quizzaciously on March 31, 2021, 01:22:16 PM
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 31, 2021, 01:39:28 PM
Merkel and Macron now turning to Putin for the Russian vaccine because there is little trust in the AZ one after what they've said about it apparently. Now this one has to be approved by the EMA.
There are three actually in distribution and for some reason, the one that is causing controversy for one reason or another is AZ... It's strange you don't hear a thing about Moderna or Pfizer...
AZ is the one that I should have, when they send the vaccines they committed to send. In the meantime, if other are approved, things can go faster! The Johnson's one is promising as only need one shot.
AZ came out and said they would be honouring and prioritising UK contracts rather than shipping to EU.
Soon after Macron and Merkel started saying it wasn't safe.
Post by: jbaent on March 31, 2021, 02:08:54 PM
Merkel and Macron now turning to Putin for the Russian vaccine because there is little trust in the AZ one after what they've said about it apparently. Now this one has to be approved by the EMA.
There are three actually in distribution and for some reason, the one that is causing controversy for one reason or another is AZ... It's strange you don't hear a thing about Moderna or Pfizer...
AZ is the one that I should have, when they send the vaccines they committed to send. In the meantime, if other are approved, things can go faster! The Johnson's one is promising as only need one shot.
AZ came out and said they would be honouring and prioritising UK contracts rather than shipping to EU.
Soon after Macron and Merkel started saying it wasn't safe.
Honestly, i don't mind if I get mine from AZ, Moderna, Pfizer or Johnson, even the Sputnik if it's aproved in Europe, but looks like AZ are playing games here, if they signed a contract they should honour the contract. It's true that we don't really know what they signed but, again, is the only provider causing trouble, or at least that we know they are causing trouble.
I had doubts in the begining that pharmaceutical companies would prioritize helping than making money with the pandemic, and looks like the others are but looks like AZ are having second thoughts...
In fact it's strange the other pharmaceutical companies are not having second thoughts, money is money, and that's why they work, not for helping people, but for making as much money as they can.
Post by: dmg on March 31, 2021, 03:22:35 PM
Merkel and Macron now turning to Putin for the Russian vaccine because there is little trust in the AZ one after what they've said about it apparently. Now this one has to be approved by the EMA.
There are three actually in distribution and for some reason, the one that is causing controversy for one reason or another is AZ... It's strange you don't hear a thing about Moderna or Pfizer...
AZ is the one that I should have, when they send the vaccines they committed to send. In the meantime, if other are approved, things can go faster! The Johnson's one is promising as only need one shot.
AZ came out and said they would be honouring and prioritising UK contracts rather than shipping to EU.
Soon after Macron and Merkel started saying it wasn't safe.
Honestly, i don't mind if I get mine from AZ, Moderna, Pfizer or Johnson, even the Sputnik if it's aproved in Europe, but looks like AZ are playing games here, if they signed a contract they should honour the contract. It's true that we don't really know what they signed but, again, is the only provider causing trouble, or at least that we know they are causing trouble.
I had doubts in the begining that pharmaceutical companies would prioritize helping than making money with the pandemic, and looks like the others are but looks like AZ are having second thoughts...
In fact it's strange the other pharmaceutical companies are not having second thoughts, money is money, and that's why they work, not for helping people, but for making as much money as they can.
The AZ one is apparently going to be sold at cost to developing countries. Pfizer are looking to make money on theirs.
As for contracts I don't know either, but it seems the EU don't want the AZ vaccine anyway. Merkel now only giving it to over 60s (she can have it then :lol).
This whole episode is a disaster for everyone, not just those in the EU; it shouldn't be a them vs us scenario right now. We can still stick together on this despite not being in the country club!
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 31, 2021, 03:30:24 PM
Merkel and Macron now turning to Putin for the Russian vaccine because there is little trust in the AZ one after what they've said about it apparently. Now this one has to be approved by the EMA.
There are three actually in distribution and for some reason, the one that is causing controversy for one reason or another is AZ... It's strange you don't hear a thing about Moderna or Pfizer...
AZ is the one that I should have, when they send the vaccines they committed to send. In the meantime, if other are approved, things can go faster! The Johnson's one is promising as only need one shot.
AZ came out and said they would be honouring and prioritising UK contracts rather than shipping to EU.
Soon after Macron and Merkel started saying it wasn't safe.
Honestly, i don't mind if I get mine from AZ, Moderna, Pfizer or Johnson, even the Sputnik if it's aproved in Europe, but looks like AZ are playing games here, if they signed a contract they should honour the contract. It's true that we don't really know what they signed but, again, is the only provider causing trouble, or at least that we know they are causing trouble.
I had doubts in the begining that pharmaceutical companies would prioritize helping than making money with the pandemic, and looks like the others are but looks like AZ are having second thoughts...
In fact it's strange the other pharmaceutical companies are not having second thoughts, money is money, and that's why they work, not for helping people, but for making as much money as they can.
I thought they were honouring the contracts, it's just UK signed deals earlier (about the one decent thing our government has done in the last 12 months).
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 31, 2021, 03:34:07 PM
Post by: jbaent on March 31, 2021, 05:15:54 PM
The AZ one is apparently going to be sold at cost to developing countries. Pfizer are looking to make money on theirs.
As for contracts I don't know either, but it seems the EU don't want the AZ vaccine anyway. Merkel now only giving it to over 60s (she can have it then :lol).
This whole episode is a disaster for everyone, not just those in the EU; it shouldn't be a them vs us scenario right now. We can still stick together on this despite not being in the country club!
If there are enough vaccines from the others supliers, don't care about the AZ one. Sadly, there is a need for every shot so the AZ is needed.
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 31, 2021, 05:41:35 PM
Post by: jbaent on March 31, 2021, 05:51:15 PM
I had the AZ one. Hoping to be back at gigs this year. I have Cliff Richard at the RAH in October and Jason Isbell in Amsterdam in November, international travel could still be outlawed though I guess :(
Yeah, maybe inside the UK, gigs of British bands can start before than in other countries as vaccination is going fast , but outside the UK, or bands from outside the UK, I don't think there are going to be gigs until 2022.
Post by: Pottel on March 31, 2021, 06:56:25 PM
Merkel and Macron now turning to Putin for the Russian vaccine because there is little trust in the AZ one after what they've said about it apparently. Now this one has to be approved by the EMA.also canada backing down from it now.
i am sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle...
Post by: Pottel on March 31, 2021, 06:58:48 PM
as far as i understood that particular article that i cannot find back now obviously, AZ did not wrong,...contractually.
Post by: superval99 on April 01, 2021, 08:44:27 AM
Merkel and Macron now turning to Putin for the Russian vaccine because there is little trust in the AZ one after what they've said about it apparently. Now this one has to be approved by the EMA.
There are three actually in distribution and for some reason, the one that is causing controversy for one reason or another is AZ... It's strange you don't hear a thing about Moderna or Pfizer...
AZ is the one that I should have, when they send the vaccines they committed to send. In the meantime, if other are approved, things can go faster! The Johnson's one is promising as only need one shot.
AZ came out and said they would be honouring and prioritising UK contracts rather than shipping to EU.
Soon after Macron and Merkel started saying it wasn't safe.
Honestly, i don't mind if I get mine from AZ, Moderna, Pfizer or Johnson, even the Sputnik if it's aproved in Europe, but looks like AZ are playing games here, if they signed a contract they should honour the contract. It's true that we don't really know what they signed but, again, is the only provider causing trouble, or at least that we know they are causing trouble.
I had doubts in the begining that pharmaceutical companies would prioritize helping than making money with the pandemic, and looks like the others are but looks like AZ are having second thoughts...
In fact it's strange the other pharmaceutical companies are not having second thoughts, money is money, and that's why they work, not for helping people, but for making as much money as they can.
The AZ one is apparently going to be sold at cost to developing countries. Pfizer are looking to make money on theirs.
As for contracts I don't know either, but it seems the EU don't want the AZ vaccine anyway. Merkel now only giving it to over 60s (she can have it then :lol).
This whole episode is a disaster for everyone, not just those in the EU; it shouldn't be a them vs us scenario right now. We can still stick together on this despite not being in the country club!
The AZ vaccine will not only be sold at cost to developing countries for the small amount of £3.60, but also to the EU and around the world. The Pfizer jab costs £15 per jab and Moderna £28. AZ decided to forgo a £21 billion profit, unlike Pfizer, Moderna etc who will make a huge profit.
Post by: jbaent on April 01, 2021, 09:25:30 AM
The AZ vaccine will not only be sold at cost to developing countries for the small amount of £3.60, but also to the EU and around the world. The Pfizer jab costs £15 per jab and Moderna £28. AZ decided to forgo a £21 billion profit, unlike Pfizer, Moderna etc who will make a huge profit.
yes, that's the theory, but already happened that AZ was telling they don't have enough vaccines to send to the UE, and they were sending a lot to countries outside the UE because they get paid more... many shipments of AZ vaccines outside the UE had been blocked because apparently they can't supply the UE, but they have no problems sending them to countries that pay more.
AZ is very suspicious of strange manouvres, so it's like they want to pretend they are not making that huge profit, but at the back they try to.
At least, that's what the media says, which we know might be not entirely true, but however, you only listen of that kind of manouvres from AZ.
Post by: superval99 on April 01, 2021, 09:28:55 AM
The AZ vaccine will not only be sold at cost to developing countries for the small amount of £3.60, but also to the EU and around the world. The Pfizer jab costs £15 per jab and Moderna £28. AZ decided to forgo a £21 billion profit, unlike Pfizer, Moderna etc who will make a huge profit.
yes, that's the theory, but already happened that AZ was telling they don't have enough vaccines to send to the UE, and they were sending a lot to countries outside the UE because they get paid more... many shipments of AZ vaccines outside the UE had been blocked because apparently they can't supply the UE, but they have no problems sending them to countries that pay more.
AZ is very suspicious of strange manouvres, so it's like they want to pretend they are not making that huge profit, but at the back they try to.
At least, that's what the media says, which we know might be not entirely true, but however, you only listen of that kind of manouvres from AZ.
Which media are you reading from?
For example:
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/profit-before-people-astrazeneca-charging-sa-more-than-double-what-eu-pays-for-covid-19-vaccine/
I think you will agree these are very cheap even at twice the price compared to other vaccines.
AZ are not making any profit at all, in fact their share price has plummeted because of the present row.
Also:
https://codeblue.galencentre.org/2020/11/24/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-to-be-sold-non-profit-to-developing-countries/
Post by: jbaent on April 01, 2021, 09:45:15 AM
The AZ vaccine will not only be sold at cost to developing countries for the small amount of £3.60, but also to the EU and around the world. The Pfizer jab costs £15 per jab and Moderna £28. AZ decided to forgo a £21 billion profit, unlike Pfizer, Moderna etc who will make a huge profit.
yes, that's the theory, but already happened that AZ was telling they don't have enough vaccines to send to the UE, and they were sending a lot to countries outside the UE because they get paid more... many shipments of AZ vaccines outside the UE had been blocked because apparently they can't supply the UE, but they have no problems sending them to countries that pay more.
AZ is very suspicious of strange manouvres, so it's like they want to pretend they are not making that huge profit, but at the back they try to.
At least, that's what the media says, which we know might be not entirely true, but however, you only listen of that kind of manouvres from AZ.
Which media are you reading from?
Spanish radio and tv, logically.
Most specifically, A Punt tv, which is the regional tv from where I live, Valencia, because they just give information about facts. The national tv news programs are all influenced by political ideologies and their information is very affected by opinions more than facts, so I avoid them, same with newspapers.
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