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Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Kris-b on September 11, 2020, 04:54:24 PM

Title: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Kris-b on September 11, 2020, 04:54:24 PM
According to MK-News there will be a performance by Mark. This will be broadcasted by BBC1

https://www.mark-knopfler-news.co.uk/gnr/
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: pitx on September 11, 2020, 08:24:43 PM
there is a small youtube fragment
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Robson on September 12, 2020, 10:04:52 AM
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/hear-mark-knopflers-new-local-18917401
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: dmg on September 12, 2020, 12:39:36 PM
there is a small youtube fragment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRhn_M3g9hQ

Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Justme on September 12, 2020, 08:17:39 PM
 :thumbsup
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: vr46mk on September 13, 2020, 12:02:13 AM
Very nice, a must to record! :thumbsup
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: schmonka on September 13, 2020, 05:42:46 AM
Isnt this more "Wild Theme" than "Going Home"....? An ending to a concert which I prefer actually to the more commonly played "Going Home"....its good there are quite a few versions of this on YouTube from the OES tour...
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Elin N on September 13, 2020, 11:25:54 AM
The ones with an account can watch live online. Not sure if I need an acoount to watch it later? It says "This programme will be available shortly after broadcast"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000mn46
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: dmg on September 13, 2020, 12:22:30 PM
Very nice emotional version.  Still miss the Fender sound but the emotion won me over.  Liked this.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: straitsway75 on September 13, 2020, 12:32:10 PM
in my country is not possible to watch it  :smack
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: 2manyguitars on September 13, 2020, 12:40:00 PM
Brought a tear to the eye.....
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: KnopfleRick on September 13, 2020, 12:48:35 PM
A very beautiful version.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: quizzaciously on September 13, 2020, 12:50:51 PM
Isnt this more "Wild Theme" than "Going Home"....? An ending to a concert which I prefer actually to the more commonly played "Going Home"....its good there are quite a few versions of this on YouTube from the OES tour...

I love Wild Theme as the ending piece, so emotional, but I guess it puts too much stress on Mark, so he prefer the bigger Going Home now. Don't even need to play the guitar through the whole thing :lol
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: JF on September 13, 2020, 01:29:14 PM
Isnt this more "Wild Theme" than "Going Home"....? An ending to a concert which I prefer actually to the more commonly played "Going Home"....its good there are quite a few versions of this on YouTube from the OES tour...

since OES tour Mark mixed the beginning of Going Home with Wild theme, so it's kind of Going theme or wild home  ;D
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: PensaGhost on September 13, 2020, 02:54:15 PM
Very nice emotional version.  Still miss the Fender sound but the emotion won me over.  Liked this.  :thumbsup

At least the kemper is gone
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: superval99 on September 13, 2020, 02:57:57 PM
Really beautiful.    :)
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Robson on September 13, 2020, 03:23:30 PM
Is there an official video?
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: JF on September 13, 2020, 03:25:14 PM
Is there an official video?

I was wondering the same.
does anyone in the UK have recorded it ?
here in France the BBC player is not avalaible

thanks in advance
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Robson on September 13, 2020, 03:39:00 PM
In Poland too :(
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: superval99 on September 13, 2020, 03:49:53 PM
Here it is!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9gACws_UM
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Robson on September 13, 2020, 03:59:10 PM
I thought it was filmed.

But thank you so much superval 99 :)
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: superval99 on September 13, 2020, 04:05:43 PM
I thought it was filmed.

It was!  ::)   Maybe the moving version will be on YouTube eventually!   :think




Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: JF on September 13, 2020, 04:10:10 PM
many thanks Val !  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Robson on September 13, 2020, 04:11:25 PM
There are only 44 seconds :)
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: straitsway75 on September 13, 2020, 05:41:04 PM
 :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: vr46mk on September 13, 2020, 07:35:16 PM
I have the video recorded in FHD  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Kris-b on September 13, 2020, 07:46:55 PM
This was shared on FB

https://youtu.be/tyeTgsNME30


Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Robson on September 13, 2020, 08:03:46 PM
Yes yes yes. Thank you Kris :)
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: superval99 on September 13, 2020, 08:06:21 PM
Many thanks Kris!    :wave
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Kris-b on September 13, 2020, 08:11:22 PM
You are welcome!

It is so good to see them play again such a beautiful tune!
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: KnopfleRick on September 13, 2020, 08:27:58 PM
Vielen Dank, Kris.  :wave
So good to see Mark and Guy back in the studio again.  :clap
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: JF on September 13, 2020, 08:31:11 PM
thanks very much Kris  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on September 14, 2020, 09:33:01 AM
Very nice emotional version.  Still miss the Fender sound but the emotion won me over.  Liked this.  :thumbsup

Same, I loved it!
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: hunter on September 15, 2020, 10:25:12 AM
I was honestly a bit underwhelmed. And the guitar is not in tune with the keyboards!
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: quizzaciously on September 15, 2020, 11:17:16 AM
I was honestly a bit underwhelmed. And the guitar is not in tune with the keyboards!

True, but of course Mark is not a particularly young now, so we'll forgive almost everything by this point. Another story is that I can't imagine him doing another tour, as he said he will play live untill he falls over.
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: hunter on September 15, 2020, 11:31:36 AM
Another story is that I can't imagine him doing another tour, as he said he will play live untill he falls over.


Me neither. And I really hope he stops before he falls over.
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Millionaire Blues on September 15, 2020, 11:39:45 AM
"I was honestly a bit underwhelmed. And the guitar is not in tune with the keyboards!"

I think it may be your ears that are slightly out of tune.

Beautiful version, perfectly tuned.

 :wave
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: hunter on September 15, 2020, 12:35:48 PM
"I was honestly a bit underwhelmed. And the guitar is not in tune with the keyboards!"

I think it may be your ears that are slightly out of tune.

Beautiful version, perfectly tuned.

 :wave


Nope, something is definitely not in tune.


Plus once again it's clear that practicing the guitar is not Mark's top priority. He really lacks the flow he used to have.
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: PensaGhost on September 15, 2020, 02:32:49 PM
"I was honestly a bit underwhelmed. And the guitar is not in tune with the keyboards!"

I think it may be your ears that are slightly out of tune.

Beautiful version, perfectly tuned.

 :wave

Exactly
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: 2manyguitars on September 15, 2020, 03:14:06 PM
Exactly. The only slight blemish I could hear was at approximately 2.03 where mark plays a tiny bum note, hardly noticeable.  Other than that it was spot on.

I think you can tell that there is some physical struggle in his playing, but its perfectly understandable and in fact to me enhances rather than diminishes the emotional impact of the music.
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Millionaire Blues on September 15, 2020, 04:00:33 PM
Great point!!
Just to see MK playing with the World on its knees was poignant and very much welcomed...
I also feel this version was extra special, MK tries some new licks and there is some experimentation that sounded fantastic.
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Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: hunter on September 15, 2020, 04:07:24 PM
Exactly. The only slight blemish I could hear was at approximately 2.03 where mark plays a tiny bum note, hardly noticeable.  Other than that it was spot on.

I think you can tell that there is some physical struggle in his playing, but its perfectly understandable and in fact to me enhances rather than diminishes the emotional impact of the music.


I didn't say he made any mistakes, but there is indeed a physical struggle, and I'm curious why that is. Is it lack of practice, or is it age taking its toll? At any rate - to me - I don't think this was noteworthy version. Others disagree, and that's OK.


You're a musician - you didn't register the tuning issues either? I hear it particularly during the first, quiet part. Like the guitar is a tad sharp.
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Robson on September 15, 2020, 04:19:10 PM
I lost the 2014 versions. Someone help me?
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: KnopfleRick on September 15, 2020, 04:21:24 PM
I`m sorry, but it seems that your ears sometimes are not tuned to Mark`s music,
otherwise you would have enjoyed this every emotionally version of Local Hero.  ;)
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Marnix on September 15, 2020, 05:25:49 PM
I lost the 2014 versions. Someone help me?

Here you can buy it https://nl.7digital.com/artist/mark-knopfler/release/going-home-theme-of-the-local-hero-live-2014-3755903?h=01&f=20%2C19%2C12%2C16%2C17%2C9%2C2
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Robson on September 15, 2020, 05:32:24 PM
Thank you :)
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Robson on September 15, 2020, 06:05:06 PM
I tried to buy but it's probably impossible :(
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Rolleyway Man on September 15, 2020, 07:23:46 PM
I tried to buy but it's probably impossible :(

It’s still on iTunes: https://music.apple.com/gb/album/going-home-theme-of-the-local-hero-live-2014-single/1445178681

The performance is actually a recording from the Privateering tour in 2013, though I don’t know which specific show it’s from.
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Marnix on September 15, 2020, 08:27:02 PM
Here you can also buy it
http://www.qobuz.com/de-de/album/going-home-theme-of-the-local-hero-mark-knopfler/0060254701291

English site
https://uk.7digital.com/artist/mark-knopfler/release/undefined
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Robson on September 15, 2020, 08:31:11 PM
Thank youuuuu :)
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Stanko on September 15, 2020, 10:23:14 PM
I love the candies he scatters around when he storms the wires
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: 2manyguitars on September 15, 2020, 10:57:47 PM
Exactly. The only slight blemish I could hear was at approximately 2.03 where mark plays a tiny bum note, hardly noticeable.  Other than that it was spot on.

I think you can tell that there is some physical struggle in his playing, but its perfectly understandable and in fact to me enhances rather than diminishes the emotional impact of the music.


I didn't say he made any mistakes, but there is indeed a physical struggle, and I'm curious why that is. Is it lack of practice, or is it age taking its toll? At any rate - to me - I don't think this was noteworthy version. Others disagree, and that's OK.


You're a musician - you didn't register the tuning issues either? I hear it particularly during the first, quiet part. Like the guitar is a tad sharp.

I think what you're hearing is the intonation of the guitar itself. The amount of pressure applied to a string can also subtly alter the note. Definitely no major tuning issues to my ears, just the sight of the aging fighter standing bereft.....
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 16, 2020, 02:59:57 PM
there is a small youtube fragment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRhn_M3g9hQ

Nice!!!!
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 16, 2020, 07:08:48 PM
Loved the performance, very personal...
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: KnopfleRick on September 16, 2020, 08:57:16 PM
https://youtu.be/tyeTgsNME30

And here is the complete video on you tube  :wave
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 17, 2020, 11:20:53 AM
Thankyou :wave :clap :clap :clap
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: hunter on September 17, 2020, 12:22:50 PM
Exactly. The only slight blemish I could hear was at approximately 2.03 where mark plays a tiny bum note, hardly noticeable.  Other than that it was spot on.

I think you can tell that there is some physical struggle in his playing, but its perfectly understandable and in fact to me enhances rather than diminishes the emotional impact of the music.


I didn't say he made any mistakes, but there is indeed a physical struggle, and I'm curious why that is. Is it lack of practice, or is it age taking its toll? At any rate - to me - I don't think this was noteworthy version. Others disagree, and that's OK.


You're a musician - you didn't register the tuning issues either? I hear it particularly during the first, quiet part. Like the guitar is a tad sharp.

I think what you're hearing is the intonation of the guitar itself. The amount of pressure applied to a string can also subtly alter the note. Definitely no major tuning issues to my ears, just the sight of the aging fighter standing bereft.....


Yes, it sounds like an intonation issue.
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: quizzaciously on September 17, 2020, 12:30:00 PM
Exactly. The only slight blemish I could hear was at approximately 2.03 where mark plays a tiny bum note, hardly noticeable.  Other than that it was spot on.

I think you can tell that there is some physical struggle in his playing, but its perfectly understandable and in fact to me enhances rather than diminishes the emotional impact of the music.


I didn't say he made any mistakes, but there is indeed a physical struggle, and I'm curious why that is. Is it lack of practice, or is it age taking its toll? At any rate - to me - I don't think this was noteworthy version. Others disagree, and that's OK.


You're a musician - you didn't register the tuning issues either? I hear it particularly during the first, quiet part. Like the guitar is a tad sharp.

I think what you're hearing is the intonation of the guitar itself. The amount of pressure applied to a string can also subtly alter the note. Definitely no major tuning issues to my ears, just the sight of the aging fighter standing bereft.....


Yes, it sounds like an intonation issue.

Gibson Les Paul guitar is notorious for its various and constant issues. When I hear all these great musicians dealing with this guitar perfectly I always think they should be happy because they always have a guitar tech around to deal with this guitar. When I had a Les Paul, it was a nightmare. Tuning instability, always lubricating the nut and the saddle, harder restringing procedures, the guitar itself is unbalanced and heavy. I mean Les Paul guitar is like a giant mansion or a really beautiful woman — cool to have, but you have to deal with unexpected problems and also, for a house analogy, owe a multimillion property tax to the government lol.

That was why Mark said in his video unveiling his signature Les Paul, that it "works out of the box". Yeah, because for this thing working out of the box you need to spend 15,000 dollars, no less :lol
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Rolo on September 17, 2020, 07:15:46 PM
Exactly. The only slight blemish I could hear was at approximately 2.03 where mark plays a tiny bum note, hardly noticeable.  Other than that it was spot on.

I think you can tell that there is some physical struggle in his playing, but its perfectly understandable and in fact to me enhances rather than diminishes the emotional impact of the music.


I didn't say he made any mistakes, but there is indeed a physical struggle, and I'm curious why that is. Is it lack of practice, or is it age taking its toll? At any rate - to me - I don't think this was noteworthy version. Others disagree, and that's OK.


You're a musician - you didn't register the tuning issues either? I hear it particularly during the first, quiet part. Like the guitar is a tad sharp.

I think what you're hearing is the intonation of the guitar itself. The amount of pressure applied to a string can also subtly alter the note. Definitely no major tuning issues to my ears, just the sight of the aging fighter standing bereft.....


Yes, it sounds like an intonation issue.

Gibson Les Paul guitar is notorious for its various and constant issues. When I hear all these great musicians dealing with this guitar perfectly I always think they should be happy because they always have a guitar tech around to deal with this guitar. When I had a Les Paul, it was a nightmare. Tuning instability, always lubricating the nut and the saddle, harder restringing procedures, the guitar itself is unbalanced and heavy. I mean Les Paul guitar is like a giant mansion or a really beautiful woman — cool to have, but you have to deal with unexpected problems and also, for a house analogy, owe a multimillion property tax to the government lol.

That was why Mark said in his video unveiling his signature Les Paul, that it "works out of the box". Yeah, because for this thing working out of the box you need to spend 15,000 dollars, no less :lol

Guy:
Nice once, Mark.
But we going to try it again. Your guitar seems a bit out of tune

Mark:
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Justme on September 17, 2020, 08:21:08 PM



Gibson Les Paul guitar is notorious for its various and constant issues. When I hear all these great musicians dealing with this guitar perfectly I always think they should be happy because they always have a guitar tech around to deal with this guitar. When I had a Les Paul, it was a nightmare. Tuning instability, always lubricating the nut and the saddle, harder restringing procedures, the guitar itself is unbalanced and heavy. I mean Les Paul guitar is like a giant mansion or a really beautiful woman — cool to have, but you have to deal with unexpected problems and also, for a house analogy, owe a multimillion property tax to the government lol.
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I think you may have a point here. But my fake Les Paul stays in tune perfectly, but is still quite heavy. Lovin' the tone though.
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: quizzaciously on September 17, 2020, 08:44:24 PM



Gibson Les Paul guitar is notorious for its various and constant issues. When I hear all these great musicians dealing with this guitar perfectly I always think they should be happy because they always have a guitar tech around to deal with this guitar. When I had a Les Paul, it was a nightmare. Tuning instability, always lubricating the nut and the saddle, harder restringing procedures, the guitar itself is unbalanced and heavy. I mean Les Paul guitar is like a giant mansion or a really beautiful woman — cool to have, but you have to deal with unexpected problems and also, for a house analogy, owe a multimillion property tax to the government lol.

I think you may have a point here. But my fake Les Paul stays in tune perfectly, but is still quite heavy. Lovin' the tone though.

Honestly, your fake Les Paul may be of better quality than the real deal :lol

Gibson does it better nowadays, but in the time I owned a Les Paul, the company went absolutely nuts. The quality was bad beyond belief, you could buy a Custom Shop true historic whatever Les Paul and still needed a re-check of everything, redoing electronics and such. The quality was incoisistent, there were snags in the wood, bad paintjob, questionable materials, questionable electronics. I'll think 1000 times the next time I'll want a Gibson Les Paul :lol

I know that because I know a good guitar tech in Moscow and he goes through thousands of guitars every year, doing fretjobs and whatnot. And in his social network feed is an unbeliveable amount of Gibsons with an aubeliveable amount of ridiculous fails in all the price range.
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: quizzaciously on September 18, 2020, 01:09:57 AM
Haha, he just posted yet another brand new Gibson that was brought to him for repair. So no, they still make American made and American priced guitars that features Korean-like build quality. I love that company... And it’s the same company that makes insanely good acoustic guitars. Go figure...
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Rolo on September 18, 2020, 05:21:06 PM



Gibson Les Paul guitar is notorious for its various and constant issues. When I hear all these great musicians dealing with this guitar perfectly I always think they should be happy because they always have a guitar tech around to deal with this guitar. When I had a Les Paul, it was a nightmare. Tuning instability, always lubricating the nut and the saddle, harder restringing procedures, the guitar itself is unbalanced and heavy. I mean Les Paul guitar is like a giant mansion or a really beautiful woman — cool to have, but you have to deal with unexpected problems and also, for a house analogy, owe a multimillion property tax to the government lol.

I think you may have a point here. But my fake Les Paul stays in tune perfectly, but is still quite heavy. Lovin' the tone though.

Honestly, your fake Les Paul may be of better quality than the real deal :lol

Gibson does it better nowadays, but in the time I owned a Les Paul, the company went absolutely nuts. The quality was bad beyond belief, you could buy a Custom Shop true historic whatever Les Paul and still needed a re-check of everything, redoing electronics and such. The quality was incoisistent, there were snags in the wood, bad paintjob, questionable materials, questionable electronics. I'll think 1000 times the next time I'll want a Gibson Les Paul :lol

I know that because I know a good guitar tech in Moscow and he goes through thousands of guitars every year, doing fretjobs and whatnot. And in his social network feed is an unbeliveable amount of Gibsons with an aubeliveable amount of ridiculous fails in all the price range.


in my understanding, guitars NEVER stays in tune.
Our ears are "trained" to hear the instrument in tune.  :P

Andy Timmons himself calls the tuner as 'the lier'

There some tools to help the guitar to tune, like Buzz Feiten System, Earvana Nuts or the True Temperament frets. The most strange is that almost all guitar players escapes from this tools because perfect tuned chords sounds terrible to his ears.

The reason why we guitarrists tends to use some sus chords or some chord inversions its because of the problems with the tuning from the guitar. Especially in the B and G strings.

Talking about Gibson Style Guitars tunning issues, the primary issue is that the neck is prepared to receive the wound G string. The plain G is softer and, because it is almost in the middle of the neck, cause more vibration and tends to be out of tune. High tension strings helps in the tunning stability.

My Les Paul never get his nut lubricated and "stays" in tune just fine.  ;D
My trick is to tune perfect 4th chords at the 3rd fret. The octave tuning needs to be a bit flat at the 15th fret.

And thts it. "Perfect" tune   8)
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Stanko on September 18, 2020, 08:08:39 PM



Gibson Les Paul guitar is notorious for its various and constant issues. When I hear all these great musicians dealing with this guitar perfectly I always think they should be happy because they always have a guitar tech around to deal with this guitar. When I had a Les Paul, it was a nightmare. Tuning instability, always lubricating the nut and the saddle, harder restringing procedures, the guitar itself is unbalanced and heavy. I mean Les Paul guitar is like a giant mansion or a really beautiful woman — cool to have, but you have to deal with unexpected problems and also, for a house analogy, owe a multimillion property tax to the government lol.

I think you may have a point here. But my fake Les Paul stays in tune perfectly, but is still quite heavy. Lovin' the tone though.

Honestly, your fake Les Paul may be of better quality than the real deal :lol

Gibson does it better nowadays, but in the time I owned a Les Paul, the company went absolutely nuts. The quality was bad beyond belief, you could buy a Custom Shop true historic whatever Les Paul and still needed a re-check of everything, redoing electronics and such. The quality was incoisistent, there were snags in the wood, bad paintjob, questionable materials, questionable electronics. I'll think 1000 times the next time I'll want a Gibson Les Paul :lol

I know that because I know a good guitar tech in Moscow and he goes through thousands of guitars every year, doing fretjobs and whatnot. And in his social network feed is an unbeliveable amount of Gibsons with an aubeliveable amount of ridiculous fails in all the price range.


in my understanding, guitars NEVER stays in tune.
Our ears are "trained" to hear the instrument in tune.  :P

Andy Timmons himself calls the tuner as 'the lier'

There some tools to help the guitar to tune, like Buzz Feiten System, Earvana Nuts or the True Temperament frets. The most strange is that almost all guitar players escapes from this tools because perfect tuned chords sounds terrible to his ears.

The reason why we guitarrists tends to use some sus chords or some chord inversions its because of the problems with the tuning from the guitar. Especially in the B and G strings.

Talking about Gibson Style Guitars tunning issues, the primary issue is that the neck is prepared to receive the wound G string. The plain G is softer and, because it is almost in the middle of the neck, cause more vibration and tends to be out of tune. High tension strings helps in the tunning stability.

My Les Paul never get his nut lubricated and "stays" in tune just fine.  ;D
My trick is to tune perfect 4th chords at the 3rd fret. The octave tuning needs to be a bit flat at the 15th fret.

And thts it. "Perfect" tune   8)
:thumbsup
sounds legit, a walk on a high wire if you like.
it takes practice over show off.
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Rolo on September 18, 2020, 08:42:46 PM



Gibson Les Paul guitar is notorious for its various and constant issues. When I hear all these great musicians dealing with this guitar perfectly I always think they should be happy because they always have a guitar tech around to deal with this guitar. When I had a Les Paul, it was a nightmare. Tuning instability, always lubricating the nut and the saddle, harder restringing procedures, the guitar itself is unbalanced and heavy. I mean Les Paul guitar is like a giant mansion or a really beautiful woman — cool to have, but you have to deal with unexpected problems and also, for a house analogy, owe a multimillion property tax to the government lol.

I think you may have a point here. But my fake Les Paul stays in tune perfectly, but is still quite heavy. Lovin' the tone though.

Honestly, your fake Les Paul may be of better quality than the real deal :lol

Gibson does it better nowadays, but in the time I owned a Les Paul, the company went absolutely nuts. The quality was bad beyond belief, you could buy a Custom Shop true historic whatever Les Paul and still needed a re-check of everything, redoing electronics and such. The quality was incoisistent, there were snags in the wood, bad paintjob, questionable materials, questionable electronics. I'll think 1000 times the next time I'll want a Gibson Les Paul :lol

I know that because I know a good guitar tech in Moscow and he goes through thousands of guitars every year, doing fretjobs and whatnot. And in his social network feed is an unbeliveable amount of Gibsons with an aubeliveable amount of ridiculous fails in all the price range.


in my understanding, guitars NEVER stays in tune.
Our ears are "trained" to hear the instrument in tune.  :P

Andy Timmons himself calls the tuner as 'the lier'

There some tools to help the guitar to tune, like Buzz Feiten System, Earvana Nuts or the True Temperament frets. The most strange is that almost all guitar players escapes from this tools because perfect tuned chords sounds terrible to his ears.

The reason why we guitarrists tends to use some sus chords or some chord inversions its because of the problems with the tuning from the guitar. Especially in the B and G strings.

Talking about Gibson Style Guitars tunning issues, the primary issue is that the neck is prepared to receive the wound G string. The plain G is softer and, because it is almost in the middle of the neck, cause more vibration and tends to be out of tune. High tension strings helps in the tunning stability.

My Les Paul never get his nut lubricated and "stays" in tune just fine.  ;D
My trick is to tune perfect 4th chords at the 3rd fret. The octave tuning needs to be a bit flat at the 15th fret.

And thts it. "Perfect" tune   8)
:thumbsup
sounds legit, a walk on a high wire if you like.
it takes practice over show off.

not necessarily high wire. I use 10s in all my guitars.
Try to tune your perfect 4ths or 5ths, adjust the saddles to be a little bit flat at the end of the neck and thats it.

I hope it will help the Gibson lovers.
Title: Re: Great North Run with Going Home on Sunday
Post by: Stanko on September 18, 2020, 10:48:08 PM
only few can cleave the rock in twain with the skin of their teeth