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Title: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 15, 2020, 10:42:37 PM
Two greatest things that happened to me this year, musically speaking, was Mark’s new radio programme and the launch of Spotify in Russia after long years of waiting. Two things collided in sync and so perfectly, that right away I made a whole playlist for The British Grove Broadcast. I had to make my own because all the existing playlists were not up to the quality level that I want. The difference is that my playlist is 100% accurate. Then I made my own jukebox out of my favourite music.

If you said to me when I started listening to Mark’s music, do you want to have this guy talking for hours and recommending you different music that he likes? I’d say − yes, yes, yes! Yes, please. Mark has the astonishing taste in music, and imagine his jukebox colliding with my jukebox, and I’ve collected over a thousand great songs over the years, and this is like a galactic collision really.

One of the hardest things in life for me is finding great music, not just good music, but great music. Usually, it happens by chance, you can hear a great song on the radio, or somebody can recommend it to you. Well, you’re in luck when this “somebody” is Mark Knopfler. Fun fact is that my jukebox is so different compared to Mark’s, we barely have the same tracks in there, and yet I love everything that he’s recommending. So I might as well put everything in my jukebox, but I keep both separated.

So right after the first episode of The British Grove Broadcast I though − I want to read this, this is like a book, or at least a Wikipedia page, and Mark just narrates it. So I desperately wanted to read it instead of hearing it. So after the 21st episode, I finally gave up and just did it.

This is The British Grove Broadcast Transcript − the text version of Mark’s radio show. I put the links to every song on Spotify and on YouTube, because even if you don’t use Spotify, literally everything you can find is on YouTube, and I also added links to my The British Grove Broadcast Spotify Playlist.

I thought that this show is terribly underrated, not only that it’s officially available only in just two countries. Not only that, but so many fans also can’t make out what Mark is saying, not only that not everybody have time and there’s no any fast and easy way to listen to the programme anyway, so the text version really helps. I made it to use for myself first and foremost.

I recommend to have both Premium Spotify and YouTube accounts for the perfect experience, as well as using a dedicated Google Docs app if you’re on mobile. You won't be able to follow almost all the YouTube links, because, well, music is not free. But it works for me because I do use the Premium subscription. Unfortunately, I don't know the way of posting all the music for free, but I believe Spotify offers a free version.

But one more thing… I made all the mentions, song names, album names and such clickable, so it’s more like a Wikipedia page. Say Mark recommends a particular version of a song − and the link gets you straight to this song, or a name, or album. This is the ultimate version of The British Grove Broadcast.

Pavel
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: dmg on September 15, 2020, 10:54:42 PM
Got to admit I have absolutely zero interest in his radio shows and only listened to one out of interest.  Why bother.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 15, 2020, 11:07:21 PM
Got to admit I have absolutely zero interest in his radio shows and only listened to one out of interest. Why bother.

Well, I guess we just from different planets. For all the people who desperately want to find new music Mark’s show is a blast. And I’m personally is very hungry for new music. Is this show for nerds? Yes. But that’s why I like it.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: rmarques821 on September 15, 2020, 11:24:24 PM
Got to admit I have absolutely zero interest in his radio shows and only listened to one out of interest.  Why bother.

Me too. I think I listened to the first one and kind of liked it but then never got interested in the rest and I don't even read the related topic.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 15, 2020, 11:33:50 PM
Got to admit I have absolutely zero interest in his radio shows and only listened to one out of interest.  Why bother.

Me too. I think I listened to the first one and kind of liked it but then never got interested in the rest and I don't even read the related topic.

I love the show, although, honestly, when I was making this transcript, 80% of the stories were literally new for me because radio format is extremely inconvenient for the show like this. You've got loads of name-drops, album titles, mentions, allusions, whatever. And it's really hard to follow except for maybe relistening the same thing over and over again, and then sitting with a Google finding all the mentions. This is what I was doing anyway, and I got tired of this in a second. And it was meant to be this way, actually. Very old-school...

So I can get why so many people are so cold about this show because I can't really believe that any MK fan in all seriousness would say "No" to Mark talking about music for 3 hours. I mean he's not sitting there moaning about the stock market, or football or something, but he's talking about the field where he reached unbelievable heights, so I think you'd better listen closely to what he's saying. IF, and that's a big IF you're into finding new music, as I said already.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Robson on September 15, 2020, 11:48:58 PM
"I made it to use for myself first and foremost"

For me too.

For those who love music, this program is of great value.

Pavel you did a great job!!! Thank you very much! :)
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Melcuer on September 15, 2020, 11:52:41 PM
You are the man Pavel. Thank you for the extraordinary work
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 15, 2020, 11:53:41 PM
"I made it to use for myself first and foremost"

For me too.

For those who love music, this program is of great value.

Pav you did a great job!!! Thank you very much! :)

You seem to the be the only guy who's interested lol.

Another point in defence of a show (why I do this, anyway?) is that if Mark would just play some songs and be done with it, that would be a terrible show. That would be a guy reading playlist type of thing, completely useless. One can say that having a Playlist is enough, but I'd say that sometimes a good explanation of a song can turn over your expectations. And take a look at what Mark said while playing Creedence Clearwater Revival's "Lookin' Out My Back Door". It's obvious? Yes. It's simple? Yes. But does it makes you feel good? Absolutely!
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Robson on September 15, 2020, 11:59:26 PM
Exactly!

And now I have everything written and tidy :)
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 16, 2020, 12:14:19 AM
I must confess, I'm a victim of the 21st century. I feel like The British Grove Broadcast is terribly underrated, but who really cares? Nobody. Including Mark himself. Nobody cares. This is why radio format is good − because you have absolutely no control over who cares about something. Radio waves are propagating and will continue doing so no matter what. Who wants, he tunes into it, who don't want, he walks away. And that's the beauty of it.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Robson on September 16, 2020, 01:10:53 AM
This is true.

Radio is fleeting. But if all the programs are written, the radio is no longer so fleeting :)

My favorite radio presenter in my country, apart from many interviews, has published three books with interviews and this is something absolutely different and beautiful
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Pierre on September 16, 2020, 10:29:43 AM
Thanks Pavel, you're doing a great job.

Back in July, before leaving on holiday I did download all the tracks that had then been broadcasted by MK to create my holiday playlist. And I even went as far as to search all the artists for their best-received songs and add those in the mix as well. So all the artist from the broadcast had 5 to 10 songs to their names in my USB stick.
It made for a great collection of mainly new songs to listen to and discover on the French roads of the Alps.
Granted, to please the wife and kids, I also had to add disney songs and French songs and the like which created a very original list of music, that we all enjoyed al lot. The random buzz was at is peak for most of the trip.

So I perfectly understand your need to dig into that British Grove Broadcast.
People like us, always looking for new good music, can't let such a gift as this broadcast go past.

I always tend to discover new music by listening to artist related to the music I like, it's like a network of music I can trace back to the first few songs that I loved as a kid. So when MK himself decides to share his own "music network" to people, it's just perfect!

Thanks again!



 
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Millionaire Blues on September 16, 2020, 10:44:14 AM
Great work Pavel...
 :)
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 16, 2020, 11:35:47 AM
Thanks Pavel, you're doing a great job.

Back in July, before leaving on holiday I did download all the tracks that had then been broadcasted by MK to create my holiday playlist. And I even went as far as to search all the artists for their best-received songs and add those in the mix as well. So all the artist from the broadcast had 5 to 10 songs to their names in my USB stick.
It made for a great collection of mainly new songs to listen to and discover on the French roads of the Alps.
Granted, to please the wife and kids, I also had to add disney songs and French songs and the like which created a very original list of music, that we all enjoyed al lot. The random buzz was at is peak for most of the trip.

So I perfectly understand your need to dig into that British Grove Broadcast.
People like us, always looking for new good music, can't let such a gift as this broadcast go past.

I always tend to discover new music by listening to artist related to the music I like, it's like a network of music I can trace back to the first few songs that I loved as a kid. So when MK himself decides to share his own "music network" to people, it's just perfect!

Thanks again!

Wow, that’s a great story! It reminds me of when I was around 5, we traveled the South Russia by car, thousands and thousands of kilometers. It was 1996 or something and my mum made a big box of cassettes with music, recorded from the radio to listen to.

I think many of us have a story like this to tell. And you’re right that for people like that the show is a blast. Music is so important... I remember Quentin Tarantino said, that he can make a whole playlist for every character he wrote, music his character would listen to, because music you listen tells so much about your character... More than words, actually.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: superval99 on September 16, 2020, 11:45:16 AM
I have really enjoyed listening to The British Grove Broadcast each week, because it has introduced me to lots of music that I would otherwise most probably have missed.   I must admit that not everything appeals to me, but there is certainly a great deal that I like a lot and have explored further, as in the case of The Galway Girl with Sharon Shannon and Steve Earle which led to me finding Sharon Shannon playing with Mundy, which is great fun!

It is also a pleasure to hear Mark's speaking voice and to hear all the stories surrounding his choice of music too.

Thank you, Pavel, for the transcript, even though I don't really need it being an English person, but it is lovely to have the option of reading it anyway, especially when some words are unclear!   :)

I look forward to the next episode - if there is one!    :think



 












Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 16, 2020, 11:55:57 AM
I have really enjoyed listening to The British Grove Broadcast each week, because it has introduced me to lots of music that I would otherwise most probably have missed.   I must admit that not everything appeals to me, but there is certainly a great deal that I like a lot and have explored further, as in the case of The Galway Girl with Sharon Shannon and Steve Earle which led to me finding Sharon Shannon singing the same song with Mundy, which is great fun!

It is also a pleasure to hear Mark's speaking voice and to hear all the stories surrounding his choice of music too.

Thank you, Pavel, for the transcript, even though I don't really need it being an English person, but it is lovely to have the option of reading it anyway, especially when some words are unclear!   :)

I look forward to the next episode - if there is one!    :think

Why not? I think still many episodes are on the way because 250 songs to share is not too much :lol

I love hearing Mark's speaking voice, too, but the idea that I need to go through so many procedures just to listen to the episode, then sort out all the music, albums and such... That's so inconvenient, that I thought I would rather do a huge effort once, but won't be struggling anymore. Let alone most of the stories I just forgot, because it's so inconvenient. So I really glad that it helps.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Robson on September 16, 2020, 01:38:16 PM
Currently I am analyzing episode 4. Peatbog Faeries ... I know why I am reminded of the album A Shot At Glory :D
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Robson on September 16, 2020, 01:57:26 PM
"You might not have thought that Duke Ellington would have much connection to Dire Straits, but in the funny way he did"

incredible:)
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Robson on September 16, 2020, 02:07:03 PM
Shove The Pig’s Foot A Little Bit Further Into The Fire − Bruce Molsky

Then you gotta listen to Oklahoma Ponies :)
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 16, 2020, 02:31:49 PM
"You might not have thought that Duke Ellington would have much connection to Dire Straits, but in the funny way he did"

incredible:)

I got to say, as a guy who went through 3 hours of Mark talking — he really, really knows what he's talking about, the man is incredibly well-prepared. I only remember a couple of places out from all 21 episodes, that raised questions:

1. It's olny me or... I thought that Mark said "Phoebe BridgeS", not "Phoebe BridgeRS", but that of course is a ridiculous comment.

2. Mark said that when he was researching a song "Song For Sonny Liston", he found that Sonny's favourite song was "Night Train" and went to say that it was a version by King Curtis. But was it really King Curtis's version? I can't find anything about it. I always thought it was the James Brown one... That comment made me think that either Mark is extremely well-prepaired, or simply forgot to mention James Brown. Some people say Sonny was listening to "Night Train" before James Brown released this song, so that may be a clue towards not King Curtis version, but earlier ones. I guess this you can't answer without reading some books.

3. The sheer number of times Mark forgetting his own stuff. Never mentioned recording with Hank Marvin, never mentioned Dire Straits used Ennio Morricone's piece to walk on stage, can't remember a song he did with The Chieftains. Another day at work, I understand... :lol
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: KnopfleRick on September 16, 2020, 09:40:28 PM
Every week I can't wait to hear Mark's lovely voice on the radio introducing us to a lot of fantastic music/artists most of them I haven't heard before. And all of his stories are a pleasure to listen to. Like so many of you I've made my own playlist of the songs I like. And yes, Pavel, your transcription is very helpful, if there is anything I don't understand I can look it up now. Many, many thanks! I'm hoping that Mark will carry on with the radio show for a long time.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 16, 2020, 09:50:28 PM
Every week I can't wait to hear Mark's lovely voice on the radio introducing us to a lot of fantastic music/artists most of them I haven't heard before. And all of his stories are a pleasure to listen to. Like so many of you I've made my own playlist of the songs I like. And yes, Pavel, your transcription is very helpful, if there is anything I don't understand I can look it up now. Many, many thanks! I'm hoping that Mark will carry on with the radio show for a long time.

Well, Bob Dylan continued with his show for 3 years, clocking at 100 episodes. Not bad! And his shows were longer by 15 minutes, hence “Theme Radio Hour”. Knowing Mark, he’ll do at least 100 episodes, if not more. But I have to say, Mark has surpassed the teacher in this area, too. His show is richer, more interesting, more contemporary artists, stories are longer and more insightful. More than that, he speaks so clear that even a Russian guy can make a full transcription of the show. I don’t want to be the guy who would make the transcript of Bob Dylan’s show :lol
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 17, 2020, 10:45:13 AM
Thanks for the transcription Pavel, a few things I noticed:

1. Mark seems to really like The Beatles, it is something I would have expected from him, but it's not something I have heard from him directly in interviews, I know he has played a couple of John Lennon songs over the years, and mentioned in him in regards the writing of Rudiger, and that he knew George Harrison, and has played with Paul McCartney, don't know if he he met Ringo Starr or not, but I would guess he has.

2. The omission, so far, of a Chet Atkins track!! without re-reading it all again, I think I am correct it stating that? I know there are more episodes to come, but I would have thought Mark would have played some Chet Atkins by now, he has even mentioned him a few times already.

3. His affection for reggae, I never realised he was so into it, there are a couple of his songs you could say have a slight reggae rhythm, but I never associated Mark with that, that goes for the likes of Wyclef Jean too!!

4. No surprise to hear a lots of Bob Dylan, but it is interesting that a couple of the songs are from The Bootleg Series Volumes 1–3 (Rare & Unreleased) 1961–1991 as this is an album of outtakes, rarities, alternative versions, etc. This is exactly what we want from Dire Straits/Mark Knopfler, so if he likes it from other people, why is he, so far, against it?

5. He seems to have a liking for alternative/indie music, which again is a surprise, I don't get that influence in his songs, but then I suppose an artists can just like other genres of music without wanting to play or write in that style.

6. He has a strong affection for Jazz, which is something that is only really coming out in his songs over the last couple of albums, even though he has dipped in toe into it in the past.

7 The depth of is musical history knowledge is huge, he may have had to check a few things first, but you get the impression he knows his stuff, and it is amazing how much it spans, playing song from the 1920's, 1930's right up to now.

8. He seems to be really into Cajun too, which again is something he has tried a little bit of.

It really is a fascinating thing for Mark to be doing, it is like he is opening his musical box for everyone to hear and appreciate.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 17, 2020, 10:47:18 AM
Great post qjamesfloyd... :wave :clap
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 17, 2020, 11:38:24 AM
Yeah, that's a great analysis you've got here qjamesfloyd! I can't resist adding some comments over yours, so bear with me.

1. Of course, The Beatles is like The Bible for musicians... And it's funny that "Eleanor Rigby" became the first time in the programme, where Mark got technical and started talking about chords. Because every musician what I know study these brilliant songs, you almost can't afford not to study them!

2. I think the omission of Chet Atkins is tied to the sheer amount of stuff he's done... I mean, apart from the fact that every track could be on the programme, he also produced a ton of brilliant songs, they also played together on an album. I don't know whether Mark is going to do themed episodes, but you certainly can make on entirely based on Chet!

3. The song "In The Gallery" probably has the most reggae-ish rhythm so far, also "Once Upon A Time In The West" come close, things like that. Got to say, I was a fan of reggae from as soon as I remember. I remember watching The Fifth Element when I was 8 or 9, and there was this scene where they would set-up a space shuttle for a flight, and there was cool reggae music. This is what reggae's for — for being cool...

4. My dream is for Mark to do a whole album filled with B-sides because he has a lot of them and they're all brilliant! But outtakes? I don't think he has a lot of outtakes really. With Mark being a perfectionist, the word that he's not a fan of, I strongly suspect most of the stuff that's not perfect just find its way into the bin.

5. Yeah, alternative/indie music these days is the source for good music, smaller bands, independent musician... I have to say, that alternative/indie is often just a box, most of the time it's still blues/folk/bluegrass musicians. As Mark said, finding a real thing is hard, but alternative/indie box is one of those places for sure!

6. Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaz. This is something I loved since I was born practically, I'm obsessed with jazz. So I'm happy every time Mark plays some swinging jazzy tunes! And yes, I hope to hear more of jazz from him. It's funny, when "Down The Road Wherever" was coming out on the Blue Note label, it gave the impression it'll have jazz feel on it. But nope, it was a classic Mark's album, but with a touch of jazz, yes. And it was always funny to me, that Mark has all those brilliant jazz musicians in his band, who can play virtually anything, and yet they all basically "strumming away" simple songs. Because the songs are so good they don't need anything more.

7. Mark is a happy guy, he has no daytime job all right. So he can research for a song for a month if he wanted to, so no surprise he read a lot about all the music and such :lol

8. I suppose, in that regard, Cajun music is just like reggae music, it's got coolness running before everything else, and it happens a lot with styles of music that sounds so distinctive. So you're not looking necessarily for the greatest musical experience here as much as for a setting up a mood.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: KnopfleRick on September 17, 2020, 12:37:00 PM
Great post qjamesfloyd... :wave :clap

Absolutely, I do agree with you!

This post (among others) is what makes this forum the best in the whole wide web, because you guys always go so deep into any issue and then come out with lots of interesting posts like the one from qjamesfloyd.  :clap It's always a pleasure to come back to this place!  :wave
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 17, 2020, 01:10:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UENRVfdnGxs

Lol, that was the scene I was talking about... I don't know what creature you need to be in order to NOT to be in love with reggae music, it's so cool!
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 17, 2020, 02:12:25 PM
Great post qjamesfloyd... :wave :clap

Absolutely, I do agree with you!

This post (among others) is what makes this forum the best in the whole wide web, because you guys always go so deep into any issue and then come out with lots of interesting posts like the one from qjamesfloyd.  :clap It's always a pleasure to come back to this place!  :wave

Thanks for your praise, very kind of you.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 17, 2020, 02:15:25 PM
Particularly agree with point 4, and agree that MK is such a perfectionist that anything that has minor issues will have been binned.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: dmg on September 17, 2020, 02:19:25 PM
Particularly agree with point 4, and agree that MK is such a perfectionist that anything that has minor issues will have been binned.

Not so sure; it could be a different arrangement and not one with greenies, so being a perfectionist doesn't really come into it.  I doubt Mark would oversee the physical destruction of the tapes anyway.  ;)
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Knopflerfan on September 17, 2020, 02:32:30 PM
Particularly agree with point 4, and agree that MK is such a perfectionist that anything that has minor issues will have been binned.

Not so sure; it could be a different arrangement and not one with greenies, so being a perfectionist doesn't really come into it.  I doubt Mark would oversee the physical destruction of the tapes anyway.  ;)

So are you saying MK may very well hoard? Can understand digital tracks but it does make you wonder if there is a stockpile of greenies?
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 17, 2020, 02:33:32 PM
Particularly agree with point 4, and agree that MK is such a perfectionist that anything that has minor issues will have been binned.

Not so sure; it could be a different arrangement and not one with greenies, so being a perfectionist doesn't really come into it.  I doubt Mark would oversee the physical destruction of the tapes anyway.  ;)

So are you saying MK may very well hoard? Can understand digital tracks but it does make you wonder if there is a stockpile of greenies?

I think we're more talking about the idea of perfectionism as such, that Mark won't bring a song to the studio with the intention of not finishing it or making several arrangements or takes of it. I mean that there's probably no outtakes at all, just the album songs and probably some B-sides, but not outtakes as we know it. If you record a song, you record a song, no need to record anything else, let alone storing it in the drawer for archeologists to discover years later. That's more or less how I see it...
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 17, 2020, 03:28:08 PM
The same thing happens on YouTube, by the way. There are basically two types of YouTubers, and I'm from the first group. The first being people, who delete absolutely everything after the recording and editing and doesn't store anything. What they have they have it on the hosting and thats it. The second group of people keep everything on CDs, racks of hard drives, cloud, servers, catalogued. And I can't have any outtakes because I have no outtakes, I only have intakes, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Pierre on September 17, 2020, 06:52:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UENRVfdnGxs

Lol, that was the scene I was talking about... I don't know what creature you need to be in order to NOT to be in love with reggae music, it's so cool!

That piece of music is called "heat" by Eric Serra (an appropriate title) and the craziest thing about your mentionning this obscure song is that it was actually part of the holiday playlist I spoke about in my last post.
I didn't think anyone would even know about it!
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 17, 2020, 07:01:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UENRVfdnGxs

Lol, that was the scene I was talking about... I don't know what creature you need to be in order to NOT to be in love with reggae music, it's so cool!

That piece of music is called "heat" by Eric Serra (an appropriate title) and the craziest thing about your mentionning this obscure song is that it was actually part of the holiday playlist I spoke about in my last post.
I didn't think anyone would even know about it!

Haha, the world is certainly a crazy place! And it’s cool that Mark allows us to experience it over and over again.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 18, 2020, 10:50:08 AM
Particularly agree with point 4, and agree that MK is such a perfectionist that anything that has minor issues will have been binned.

Not so sure; it could be a different arrangement and not one with greenies, so being a perfectionist doesn't really come into it.  I doubt Mark would oversee the physical destruction of the tapes anyway.  ;)

So are you saying MK may very well hoard? Can understand digital tracks but it does make you wonder if there is a stockpile of greenies?

I think we're more talking about the idea of perfectionism as such, that Mark won't bring a song to the studio with the intention of not finishing it or making several arrangements or takes of it. I mean that there's probably no outtakes at all, just the album songs and probably some B-sides, but not outtakes as we know it. If you record a song, you record a song, no need to record anything else, let alone storing it in the drawer for archeologists to discover years later. That's more or less how I see it...

With outtakes, I was meaning unreleased tracks, and we know Mark has many of those, including the likes of No Wonder He;s Confused, which has been heard in parts, Two Skinny Kids, which we have heard live, same for Pyroman etc, so there is stuff in his "vaults" like Dylan had, which was then released, there is also things like the Dire Straits version of Private Dancer, the studio version of What's The Matter Baby, Making Movies, so there are lots of outtakes that could be released if Mark wanted too.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: jbaent on September 18, 2020, 10:53:10 AM
With outtakes, I was meaning unreleased tracks, and we know Mark has many of those, including the likes of No Wonder He;s Confused, which has been heard in parts, Two Skinny Kids, which we have heard live, same for Pyroman etc, so there is stuff in his "vaults" like Dylan had, which was then released, there is also things like the Dire Straits version of Private Dancer, the studio version of What's The Matter Baby, Making Movies, so there are lots of outtakes that could be released if Mark wanted too.

I'm very sorry to say that there are VERY big chances that those unreleased songs are missing forever. I asked the management many times and the answer I got pointed to that.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on September 18, 2020, 11:06:01 AM
With outtakes, I was meaning unreleased tracks, and we know Mark has many of those, including the likes of No Wonder He;s Confused, which has been heard in parts, Two Skinny Kids, which we have heard live, same for Pyroman etc, so there is stuff in his "vaults" like Dylan had, which was then released, there is also things like the Dire Straits version of Private Dancer, the studio version of What's The Matter Baby, Making Movies, so there are lots of outtakes that could be released if Mark wanted too.

I'm very sorry to say that there are VERY big chances that those unreleased songs are missing forever. I asked the management many times and the answer I got pointed to that.

I remember reading a piece that mentioned, that all the material from Sailing To Philadelphia is also lost forever, and that was just 2000. So not only they can't release outtakes, they can't even do a remaster :lol
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 18, 2020, 11:07:47 AM
There is a chance they said that to put you off the scent at that time, after all, Guy has stated the record company are aware of the fans desire for these releases.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: jbaent on September 18, 2020, 11:39:25 AM
With outtakes, I was meaning unreleased tracks, and we know Mark has many of those, including the likes of No Wonder He;s Confused, which has been heard in parts, Two Skinny Kids, which we have heard live, same for Pyroman etc, so there is stuff in his "vaults" like Dylan had, which was then released, there is also things like the Dire Straits version of Private Dancer, the studio version of What's The Matter Baby, Making Movies, so there are lots of outtakes that could be released if Mark wanted too.

I'm very sorry to say that there are VERY big chances that those unreleased songs are missing forever. I asked the management many times and the answer I got pointed to that.

I remember reading a piece that mentioned, that all the material from Sailing To Philadelphia is also lost forever, and that was just 2000. So not only they can't release outtakes, they can't even do a remaster :lol

Yes, that was said by Chuck Ainlay in an interview, I think when Alchemy dvd /bluray was released?
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: jbaent on September 18, 2020, 11:40:46 AM
There is a chance they said that to put you off the scent at that time, after all, Guy has stated the record company are aware of the fans desire for these releases.

Guy said that about the live recordings they made during 2001, 2005, 2006 and 2008 that they have, but they did nothing with them.

See Quizzy answer, and my answer to him.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Robson on September 25, 2020, 05:51:28 PM
 :thumbsup Thank you Pavel:)
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: qjamesfloyd on October 01, 2020, 02:56:27 PM
Thanks for the transcription Pavel, a few things I noticed:

1. Mark seems to really like The Beatles, it is something I would have expected from him, but it's not something I have heard from him directly in interviews, I know he has played a couple of John Lennon songs over the years, and mentioned in him in regards the writing of Rudiger, and that he knew George Harrison, and has played with Paul McCartney, don't know if he he met Ringo Starr or not, but I would guess he has.

2. The omission, so far, of a Chet Atkins track!! without re-reading it all again, I think I am correct it stating that? I know there are more episodes to come, but I would have thought Mark would have played some Chet Atkins by now, he has even mentioned him a few times already.

3. His affection for reggae, I never realised he was so into it, there are a couple of his songs you could say have a slight reggae rhythm, but I never associated Mark with that, that goes for the likes of Wyclef Jean too!!

4. No surprise to hear a lots of Bob Dylan, but it is interesting that a couple of the songs are from The Bootleg Series Volumes 1–3 (Rare & Unreleased) 1961–1991 as this is an album of outtakes, rarities, alternative versions, etc. This is exactly what we want from Dire Straits/Mark Knopfler, so if he likes it from other people, why is he, so far, against it?

5. He seems to have a liking for alternative/indie music, which again is a surprise, I don't get that influence in his songs, but then I suppose an artists can just like other genres of music without wanting to play or write in that style.

6. He has a strong affection for Jazz, which is something that is only really coming out in his songs over the last couple of albums, even though he has dipped in toe into it in the past.

7 The depth of is musical history knowledge is huge, he may have had to check a few things first, but you get the impression he knows his stuff, and it is amazing how much it spans, playing song from the 1920's, 1930's right up to now.

8. He seems to be really into Cajun too, which again is something he has tried a little bit of.

It really is a fascinating thing for Mark to be doing, it is like he is opening his musical box for everyone to hear and appreciate.

I retract point 2 now Mark has played:
Chet Atkins. A Little Bit of Blues
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Robson on October 01, 2020, 09:25:38 PM
Pavel beautiful statistics. And great job. Thank you very very much :)


I think that after many years we will appreciate these programs more.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on October 01, 2020, 09:37:46 PM
Pavel beautiful statistics. And great job. Thank you very very much :)


I think that after many years we will appreciate these programs more.

Thanks! By the way, if you count the intro speech and also the breaks and outro message, it add up to almost exactly 3 hours. Mark is a perfectionist or what?
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on October 01, 2020, 09:40:10 PM
Yes, I also think this programme will be a greatly appreciated thing, because it's great. If only it would be more accessible for people, if only there would be an easy way to listen to it. Hopefully, my transcription and Jbaent's track by track rips will be of great help. It is for me that's for sure :lol
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: Robson on October 02, 2020, 12:23:19 AM
Oh yes! I have the transcriptions in a special folder:)
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 25, 2020, 12:51:05 PM
Hi

Finally going through the show as I have a new job where I work from home. :)

What's the link to your site Pavel?
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: quizzaciously on November 25, 2020, 01:18:03 PM
Hi

Finally going through the show as I have a new job where I work from home. :)

What's the link to your site Pavel?

Congrats on working from home, I did it this way even before the whole lockdown, just love working from home.

I'm sorry I deleted the transcript because I was told to do so, however, it may be helpful in (yet) another project based on the broadcast, we'll see.
Title: Re: The British Grove Broadcast Transcript
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 25, 2020, 01:56:10 PM
Oh really, OK, I didn't read the whole thread, sounds odd.