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Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: TheTimeWasWrong on September 26, 2020, 09:50:28 AM

Title: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on September 26, 2020, 09:50:28 AM
Just wanted to celebrate this stunning record, though there's already a topic about the contest. I always keep coming back to this record, it has some of his best songs, and I love the record's sound. Personally, it's the gold standard for production, mixing, Strat, and LP sound. It's a life-changing record for me. I can clearly remember the release, the promo tour, and the tour where I first saw MK and his band. Great memories! I also loved the presskit. Who remembers that little Flash audio mixer where you could "mix" your own version of STP? I still have it somewhere. I wonder how MK feels about that record. He kept playing songs from it on later tours, and it's the era where he and Ed separated. Also his last tour before the accident.
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: quizzaciously on September 26, 2020, 11:09:54 AM
Just wanted to celebrate this stunning record, though there's already a topic about the contest. I always keep coming back to this record, it has some of his best songs, and I love the record's sound. Personally, it's the gold standard for production, mixing, Strat, and LP sound. It's a life-changing record for me. I can clearly remember the release, the promo tour, and the tour where I first saw MK and his band. Great memories! I also loved the presskit. Who remembers that little Flash audio mixer where you could "mix" your own version of STP? I still have it somewhere. I wonder how MK feels about that record. He kept playing songs from it on later tours, and it's the era where he and Ed separated. Also his last tour before the accident.

Yes, the songwriting is phenomenal on STP. Lead single is one of the best songs ever recorded, title track is one of the best songs ever written, not bad. I even love the cover picture, so subtle, but cool. I love that it shows a plane “sailing” to Philadelphia.

The same man 18 years later will release an album “Down The Road Wherever” with a road on the cover...
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: Robson on September 26, 2020, 11:32:35 AM
And wonderful b-sides

The Long Higway
Let's See You
Camerado
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: JF on September 27, 2020, 12:53:27 AM
here is my chronicle

https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/mark-knopfler-sortait-son-deuxieme-album-solo-il-y-a-20-ans/

sorry it's in french, but I guess Google translation can make the job

I wil try to publish an english version of my site next year, but it's a lot of work

many thanks to Jbaent for compiling all tracks written and considered for the record
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: Marnix on September 27, 2020, 11:56:21 AM
And wonderful b-sides

The Long Higway
Let's See You
Camerado

And also “Do America”.
For me it is one of his best solo albums
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: quizzaciously on September 27, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
And wonderful b-sides

The Long Higway
Let's See You
Camerado

And also “Do America”.
For me it is one of his best solo albums

Speaking of "Do America", I think ommiting the song "One More Matinee" and replacing it with "Do America" on certain releases was basically a crime...

We hate bonus track now, but in Sailing To Philadelphia they basically took out one of the best songs on the album and replaced it with a B-side.
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: Marnix on September 27, 2020, 12:40:04 PM
And wonderful b-sides

The Long Higway
Let's See You
Camerado

And also “Do America”.
For me it is one of his best solo albums

Speaking of "Do America", I think ommiting the song "One More Matinee" and replacing it with "Do America" on certain releases was basically a crime...

We hate bonus track now, but in Sailing To Philadelphia they basically took out one of the best songs on the album and replaced it with a B-side.
Thats why I am happy with the version of STP which contains both songs
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: Robson on September 27, 2020, 01:18:49 PM
I have the single Silvertown Blues and B-side: Do America and I'm happy too :)
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: KnopfleRick on September 27, 2020, 09:18:54 PM
STP is one of his best solo work, but I still cannot believe why Mark dropped one of the most beautiful song he has ever written  "The Long Highway"  from the album.
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: Marnix on September 27, 2020, 09:39:59 PM
STP is one of his best solo work, but I still cannot believe why Mark dropped one of the most beautiful song he has ever written  "The Long Highway"  from the album.

Totally agree!!
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: JF on September 27, 2020, 11:35:06 PM

Speaking of "Do America", I think ommiting the song "One More Matinee" and replacing it with "Do America" on certain releases was basically a crime...

We hate bonus track now, but in Sailing To Philadelphia they basically took out one of the best songs on the album and replaced it with a B-side.

agree
the record company said that "one more matinee" was too much "british" for the US public, that's why they replaced it with Do America on the Warner release
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: Robson on September 27, 2020, 11:47:25 PM
here is my chronicle

https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/mark-knopfler-sortait-son-deuxieme-album-solo-il-y-a-20-ans/

sorry it's in french, but I guess Google translation can make the job

I wil try to publish an english version of my site next year, but it's a lot of work

many thanks to Jbaent for compiling all tracks written and considered for the record

Thank you very much JF:)
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: kaleo74 on September 28, 2020, 02:44:55 AM
here is my chronicle

https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/mark-knopfler-sortait-son-deuxieme-album-solo-il-y-a-20-ans/

sorry it's in french, but I guess Google translation can make the job

I wil try to publish an english version of my site next year, but it's a lot of work

many thanks to Jbaent for compiling all tracks written and considered for the record

Thank you very much JF:)

JF has an amazing blog out there, he did a great job, it's full of gems about Mark and Dire Straits, for a good and accurate translation I recommend DeepL : https://www.deepl.com/translator

I find it more relevant and accurate in the translations, especially when it comes to expressions and slang etc...
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 28, 2020, 11:16:42 AM

Speaking of "Do America", I think ommiting the song "One More Matinee" and replacing it with "Do America" on certain releases was basically a crime...

We hate bonus track now, but in Sailing To Philadelphia they basically took out one of the best songs on the album and replaced it with a B-side.

agree
the record company said that "one more matinee" was too much "british" for the US public, that's why they replaced it with Do America on the Warner release

I think this was a stupid idea by the record company, and frankly an insult to the American record buying public, the first Dire Straits album had lots of references to London, but that didn't stop Americans buying it, Making Movies had Tunnel of Love with North East England locations, didn't stop Americans buying it, and so on, ironically, It's Mark himself that is into American music in a huge way, if this school of thought had applied when Mark was growing up, he would be a very different song writer now, and probably not as good a one as he is now!!! people enjoy hearing about new things, new references in songs, they are capable of finding out things for themselves, they don't need a record company to dictate that. I am British, but there are certain words Mark uses that I don't know the meaning of, but I can research it. If One More Matinee was considered to "British" for the US public, then does that mean a good half of the album is to be considered to "American" for the "British" (or any other country) public? of course not, more to the point, it was a silly marketing ploy.
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: JF on September 28, 2020, 11:41:05 AM

Speaking of "Do America", I think ommiting the song "One More Matinee" and replacing it with "Do America" on certain releases was basically a crime...

We hate bonus track now, but in Sailing To Philadelphia they basically took out one of the best songs on the album and replaced it with a B-side.

agree
the record company said that "one more matinee" was too much "british" for the US public, that's why they replaced it with Do America on the Warner release

I think this was a stupid idea by the record company, and frankly an insult to the American record buying public, the first Dire Straits album had lots of references to London, but that didn't stop Americans buying it, Making Movies had Tunnel of Love with North East England locations, didn't stop Americans buying it, and so on, ironically, It's Mark himself that is into American music in a huge way, if this school of thought had applied when Mark was growing up, he would be a very different song writer now, and probably not as good a one as he is now!!! people enjoy hearing about new things, new references in songs, they are capable of finding out things for themselves, they don't need a record company to dictate that. I am British, but there are certain words Mark uses that I don't know the meaning of, but I can research it. If One More Matinee was considered to "British" for the US public, then does that mean a good half of the album is to be considered to "American" for the "British" (or any other country) public? of course not, more to the point, it was a silly marketing ploy.

100% agree
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: Marnix on September 28, 2020, 01:27:47 PM
I wish to have an deluxe edion of STP which contains

Cd 1: orginal album (remaster ??)
Cd 2: B-sides from the singles and other outtakes incl Pyroman
Cd 3+4: a full concert of the STP tour
BR/DVD: a full concert, making of docu, videoclips, EPK
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: jbaent on September 28, 2020, 01:35:22 PM
I wish to have an deluxe edion of STP which contains

Cd 1: orginal album (remaster ??)
Cd 2: B-sides from the singles and other outtakes incl Pyroman
Cd 3+4: a full concert of the STP tour
BR/DVD: a full concert, making of docu, videoclips, EPK

I'll buy that!
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: Pottel on September 29, 2020, 09:12:37 AM
listened to Pyroman from the LA concert (2001.05.20, new source) this morning, and never understood people's fascination with this song, such a simple stomper. yikes
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: mschaap on September 29, 2020, 09:57:19 PM
At the time I believe I’ve read the reason for leaving One More Matinée off the US release wasn’t it being too British, but the lyrics containing the word ‘bitch’. Putting the song on the album would require a sticker ‘containing strong language’ or something like that. Not something that would be fitting to Mark.
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: quizzaciously on September 29, 2020, 10:26:08 PM
At the time I believe I’ve read the reason for leaving One More Matinée off the US release wasn’t it being too British, but the lyrics containing the word ‘bitch’. Putting the song on the album would require a sticker ‘containing strong language’ or something like that. Not something that would be fitting to Mark.

That's actually hilarious, never heard of that. Seems legit to me, but still too funny.
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 30, 2020, 08:33:17 AM
At the time I believe I’ve read the reason for leaving One More Matinée off the US release wasn’t it being too British, but the lyrics containing the word ‘bitch’. Putting the song on the album would require a sticker ‘containing strong language’ or something like that. Not something that would be fitting to Mark.

That clearly didn't follow, as Don't Crash The Ambulance has 2 swear words.
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: hunter on September 30, 2020, 11:48:02 AM
listened to Pyroman from the LA concert (2001.05.20, new source) this morning, and never understood people's fascination with this song, such a simple stomper. yikes


Yeah, not a great song in my opinion. Junkie Doll too.
Title: Re: Sailing to Philadelphia was released 20 years ago
Post by: superval99 on September 30, 2020, 12:57:31 PM
"Sailing to Philadelphia" is a much-lauded album, but there are too many skippers for it to be one of my favourites.   Of course, there are many songs on the album that I enjoy listening to a lot, but, because of the four or five skippers it is towards the bottom of my list of MK solo albums.   Maybe time will change my opinion, but 20 years is a long time trying!