A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Robson on October 15, 2020, 08:46:29 PM
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MKNews:
Mark will be performing ‘Going Home’ on Saturday 17th October at Goodwood Road & Racing SpeedWeek in honour of the late Formula One racing driver, Sir Stirling Moss. Tune into the livestream from 4:30pm BST on Saturday to watch the performance: https://speedweek.goodwood.com
For more information about the racing events and online activities across the week, go to: https://www.goodwood.com/motorsport/goodwood-speedweek/
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An acoustic Speedway would had been more appropiate, lol
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Good idea:)
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Here is the video
https://youtu.be/pdKPZY-vWrk
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Live performance in a room without fans. Not the way it's meant to be. His whole career he loved taking his music out on the road to the fans as all musicians do, but now... :(
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Beautiful. Thank you Kris.
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Many thanks Kris! It was a lovely performance, but I felt quite sad for some reason.
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Many thanks Kris! It was a lovely performance, but I felt quite sad for some reason.
Same here about lovely and sad, maybe cos of that major error even with very slow stuff
I frankly don't understand why he uses those in-ears during concerts, let alone for this very small performance
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Many thanks Kris! It was a lovely performance, but I felt quite sad for some reason.
Same here about lovely and sad, maybe cos of that major error even with very slow stuff
Pretty glaring and obvious greenie. Live performances seem somehow pointless these days though. I'd much rather have a one-take thing like the Great North Run version. Wonder how many takes it took...
MK: Okay Guy let's run through this one more time.
GF: We've done it 137 times already Mark!
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Nice performance, some decent touch and subtlety in marks playing.
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How severe is my situation when my mind says “Lions” at the end notes. :think
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He looks really cool, bless him.
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Major error? I can't hear one, only a few glitches with the sound! :hmm
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Yes, when I listened to this live I had the feeling that the transmission had some small gaps- sorry I don‘t have a better word for it.
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Here is another version. MK's performance starts around 3.55 - minus sound glitches:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHYGEa9d1xY
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Yes, it is not that bad.
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He looks really cool, bless him.
Yes, he really does and nice performance, too! :thumbsup
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Yes, that video is much better!
Thanks, Val!
And he is still a cool guy!
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Someone should really tell him to stop this. It's so devastating to witness. He obviously can't deliver one clean piece of playing anymore.
LE
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Major error? I can't hear one, only a few glitches with the sound! :hmm
2:45 of 3:51 (the short video) or 6:43 in the long video
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Major error? I can't hear one, only a few glitches with the sound! :hmm
2:45 of 3:51 (the short video) or 6:43 in the long video
Thank you, but I honestly wouldn't have noticed without being told the place - it is so trivial! Maybe he had cold fingers!
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Someone should really tell him to stop this. It's so devastating to witness. He obviously can't deliver one clean piece of playing anymore.
LE
I felt a sadness. A song he should be able to play in his sleep was performed rough, without his magic touch and with a major greenie.
The GNR version had a certain passion about it but you wonder how many takes it took.
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Someone should really tell him to stop this. It's so devastating to witness. He obviously can't deliver one clean piece of playing anymore.
LE
Just a little dramatic... It's a perfectly fine performance from a 71 year old that still has the desire to get out there Infront of people and do what he loves. I for one am thankful for this, not sad at all.
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Someone should really tell him to stop this. It's so devastating to witness. He obviously can't deliver one clean piece of playing anymore.
LE
I felt a sadness. A song he should be able to play in his sleep was performed rough, without his magic touch and with a major greenie.
The GNR version had a certain passion about it but you wonder how many takes it took.
For me it was a very beautiful and touching performance - not rough at all and the error was hardly noticeable and certainly not glaring or major, otherwise I would have noticed it!
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Someone should really tell him to stop this. It's so devastating to witness. He obviously can't deliver one clean piece of playing anymore.
LE
Just a little dramatic... It's a perfectly fine performance from a 71 year old that still has the desire to get out there Infront of people and do what he loves. I for one am thankful for this, not sad at all.
:thumbsup
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Someone should really tell him to stop this. It's so devastating to witness. He obviously can't deliver one clean piece of playing anymore.
LE
I felt a sadness. A song he should be able to play in his sleep was performed rough, without his magic touch and with a major greenie.
The GNR version had a certain passion about it but you wonder how many takes it took.
For me it was a very beautiful and touching performance - not rough at all and the error was hardly noticeable and certainly not glaring or major, otherwise I would have noticed it!
:thumbsup
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"I think when you hear playing like that you don't really listen critically so much as appreciatively. You're not listening for mistakes or anything like that. I think it's more in admiration of the total picture, the grasp of the total picture and the way that the artist is just appreciating the piece. Try to send it down the road the best way you know how, off to school in decent shoes"
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"I think when you hear playing like that you don't really listen critically so much as appreciatively. You're not listening for mistakes or anything like that. I think it's more in admiration of the total picture, the grasp of the total picture and the way that the artist is just appreciating the piece. Try to send it down the road the best way you know how, off to school in decent shoes"
Yes! :clap
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Instead of criticize him we should be thankful that he is doing well and appreciate his decision going out and play live in a time we are all threatened by this crazy virus.
Especially older people are at higher risk and Mark is 71.
If there is a mistake in his playing or not, I don`t care but be happy to hear him play.
Nobody is perfect and even Mark Knopfler is no exception.
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Instead of criticize him we should be thankful that he is doing well and appreciate his decision going out and play live in a time we are all threatened by this crazy virus.
Especially older people are at higher risk and Mark is 71.
If there is a mistake in his playing or not, I don`t care but be happy to hear him play.
Nobody is perfect and even Mark Knopfler is no exception.
:thumbsup I totally agree.
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Instead of criticize him we should be thankful that he is doing well and appreciate his decision going out and play live in a time we are all threatened by this crazy virus.
Especially older people are at higher risk and Mark is 71.
If there is a mistake in his playing or not, I don`t care but be happy to hear him play.
Nobody is perfect and even Mark Knopfler is no exception.
This is a good point. What was the point of him travelling there to play at all? He could easily have done another one-take studio thing like he did for the GNR. In these sad times live music is pretty pointless anyway.
It wasn't just the mistake but his whole playing sounded pretty rough to me.
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"I think when you hear playing like that you don't really listen critically so much as appreciatively. You're not listening for mistakes or anything like that. I think it's more in admiration of the total picture, the grasp of the total picture and the way that the artist is just appreciating the piece. Try to send it down the road the best way you know how, off to school in decent shoes"
So you admit it isn't a good performance then?
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Instead of criticize him we should be thankful that he is doing well and appreciate his decision going out and play live in a time we are all threatened by this crazy virus.
Especially older people are at higher risk and Mark is 71.
If there is a mistake in his playing or not, I don`t care but be happy to hear him play.
Nobody is perfect and even Mark Knopfler is no exception.
This is a good point. What was the point of him travelling there to play at all? He could easily have done another one-take studio thing like he did for the GNR. In these sad times live music is pretty pointless anyway.
It wasn't just the mistake but his whole playing sounded pretty rough to me.
Good question. I think it was a personal thing, Mark loved Stirling Moss so couldn’t resist going. And he would be there in any form, hence a bit random playing. The horrifying part is that this guy couldn’t resist go on another tour as well and might actually do it!
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It is up to any individual to decide if he/she wants to witness Mark playing live.
If Mark plans some UK gigs I will consider going even if at home I can't listen to the last tour recordings.
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Sometimes the level of criticism on here amuses me.
Dont get me wrong, I get it. We are all here because we love the guy and want him to be at his best, but come on!
I'm a music teacher, it's my job to appraise performance and offer constructive criticism. This performance was fine! A quarter note greenie lasting less than half a second and the world ends!
This performance was not about mk, it was about paying tribute to a true British great, and it was executed in an appropriate fashion with all the emotion and touch I would expect.
Mark played bum notes, and really bad ones at that in the good old days to!
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Sometimes the level of criticism on here amuses me.
Dont get me wrong, I get it. We are all here because we love the guy and want him to be at his best, but come on!
I'm a music teacher, it's my job to appraise performance and offer constructive criticism. This performance was fine! A quarter note greenie lasting less than half a second and the world ends!
This performance was not about mk, it was about paying tribute to a true British great, and it was executed in an appropriate fashion with all the emotion and touch I would expect.
Mark played bum notes, and really bad ones at that in the good old days to!
You're right, I know that feeling. Nobody's just blindly criticising here, Mark has more talent and knowledge in his little finger, than I had in my entire life, so that's not my job to judge his work. We're just collectively worrying for his health and playing ability, which obviously diminish day by day, can't do anything about it, just watch and wait... And hope he'd get better, and he does it! I hope for some intimate shows in the future, but not the usual stadium tour.
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To add to my comments, both a lovely but sad performance
I think the touch is still excellent/great
The kemper is an incomprehensible choice for a god like him, but that's still not the problem
What worries me is that major error in a very slow song while watching his own hands playing,
I mean he was concentrating but still couldnt deliver in a slow song
I couldn't care less about the errors from my point of view, it's correct as someone said that he made errors also 30-35 years ago, and I would still go to a concert even if he made errors in all songs of the concerts, I would still like the concert,
but at the same time I would be worried about him not being able to deliver
in 2019 Telegraph Road had a great first version live (Barcelona), then each one subsesquently was worse and worse and worse, full of any kind of errors, he decided to drop it because of that after few days, I am sure he understood he couldn't deliver, I hope the situation doesn't get worse even more, I don't know
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To add to my comments, both a lovely but sad performance
I think the touch is still excellent/great
The kemper is an incomprehensible choice for a god like him, but that's still not the problem
What worries me is that major error in a very slow song while watching his own hands playing,
I mean he was concentrating but still couldnt deliver in a slow song
I couldn't care less about the errors from my point of view, it's correct as someone said that he made errors also 30-35 years ago, and I would still go to a concert even if he made errors in all songs of the concerts, I would still like the concert,
but at the same time I would be worried about him not being able to deliver
in 2019 Telegraph Road had a great first version live (Barcelona), then each one subsesquently was worse and worse and worse, full of any kind of errors, he decided to drop it because of that after few days, I am sure he understood he couldn't deliver, I hope the situation doesn't get worse even more, I don't know
Have you considered that he may just have cold hands on this performance? (I think someone mentioned that earlier).
It's not the warmest Autumn over here right now and he looked pretty well wrapped up against the cold.
Either way, he's getting older. It happens to all of us unfortunately, but he's well and truly earnt the right to play what he wants, where he wants, and how he wants. It was never about making the fans happy, its about human musical creativity, we were, and still are just privileged to be along for the ride.
Yes, at times it is like watching a faded boxer slugging out the last few shots before the inevitable demise, but that to is a part of the journey.
It always will be a pleasure and honour to walk on that journey with our hero....
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Major error?! Really? I've heard far worse by Mark, this one being hardly noticeable. This is also a soundboard recording, which makes everything very easy to spot. Through the PA and being in crowd, it would sound a lot different.
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there, there, there, not a note you expected to hear, why don't you write your own song?
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there, there, there, not a note you expected to hear, why don't you write your own song?
Hey, that's a discussion going personal. As I said, we're all here won't be qualified to even become Mark's shoe soles, let us discuss his mistakes for a bit :lol
What brand of shoes Marks wear, anyway? Looks so cool.
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there, there, there, not a note you expected to hear, why don't you write your own song?
Hey, that's a discussion going personal. As I said, we're all here won't be qualified to even become Mark's shoe soles, let us discuss his mistakes for a bit :lol
What brand of shoes Marks wear, anyway? Looks so cool.
obviously, quality shoe
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It was not perfect , and it' ll never be anymore , I think... but I'll enjoy every new material because this guy has so much talent ....and has inspired me for more than 35 years .His songs have been the "soundtract" of my life...
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I have to say... I love the song, I love this version, I like the atmosphere, I love the hat, I love the sound, I love to see him in such a good shape, I love to see Guy too... Didn't notice any mistake, I don't listen to music for that, I listen to the feeling, and Mark Knopfler is definitely masterclass for that!
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What I don't get is why he insist in playing such a lovely song with the Gibson Les Paul... When he played it with the Strat it sounded delicate and lovely, with the LP it sounds rough and rude, at least to me. And if you add the kemper, that it makes everything sound too distorted and even more rough... Maybe (probably) is about taste, but I don't like the sounds he chosed lately, is like I'm listening to whatever rocker that just wants to make noise rather than the excelent player that used to want to deliver delicate, bright and lovely sounds...
The playing, well, yes, he did some mistakes, as usually, but I'm sure it was cold, very, look at his hat and clothes!
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I have to say... I love the song, I love this version, I like the atmosphere, I love the hat, I love the sound, I love to see him in such a good shape, I love to see Guy too... Didn't notice any mistake, I don't listen to music for that, I listen to the feeling, and Mark Knopfler is definitely masterclass for that!
:clap
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I've been listening again this morning and I still can't hear that glaring error, even though I know where it is! ;)
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I've been listening again this morning and I still can't hear that glaring error, even though I know where it is! ;)
After all, that error is not that important ;)
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What I don't get is why he insist in playing such a lovely song with the Gibson Les Paul... When he played it with the Strat it sounded delicate and lovely, with the LP it sounds rough and rude, at least to me. And if you add the kemper, that it makes everything sound too distorted and even more rough... Maybe (probably) is about taste, but I don't like the sounds he chosed lately, is like I'm listening to whatever rocker that just wants to make noise rather than the excelent player that used to want to deliver delicate, bright and lovely sounds...
The playing, well, yes, he did some mistakes, as usually, but I'm sure it was cold, very, look at his hat and clothes!
Actually, I did think it sounded delicate and lovely on this occasion, but maybe it's just me. I agree about the Kemper on tour - I didn't like the sound, especially with the Gibson.
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What I don't get is why he insist in playing such a lovely song with the Gibson Les Paul... When he played it with the Strat it sounded delicate and lovely, with the LP it sounds rough and rude, at least to me. And if you add the kemper, that it makes everything sound too distorted and even more rough... Maybe (probably) is about taste, but I don't like the sounds he chosed lately, is like I'm listening to whatever rocker that just wants to make noise rather than the excelent player that used to want to deliver delicate, bright and lovely sounds...
The playing, well, yes, he did some mistakes, as usually, but I'm sure it was cold, very, look at his hat and clothes!
Actually, I did think it sounded delicate and lovely on this occasion, but maybe it's just me. I agree about the Kemper on tour - I didn't like the sound, especially with the Gibson.
It might be because of the special ocassion, the tribute to his friend... A friend of mine uses to describe the sound of the Gibson like "fat sound" and the Strat one as "thin sound", to me is really more rough than fat, and crystal clear than thin, but my friend is guitarist since he was a kid, and I'm just another banging on the bongoes like a chimpanzee ;D
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If all you are concentrating on is listening for an error in his playing then you don't get who Mark is what he is doing, there is not one guitar player in the world, professional or not who doesn't make a mistake, if I had a small fraction of a 71 year old Mark Knopfler's guitar ability I would be very happy, he doesn't have anything less to prove, just enjoy seeing him play, when he is gone, he will be a huge loss to music. But most importantly this was about Sir Stirling Moss, not Mark!!!
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I enjoyed listening to this as I imagine smaller venues/more intimate settings are likely going to be main way to hear MK live in the future.
Does anyone know if soundboard recording file exists somewhere? I’d love to be able to pull down just the audio for a listen.
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I've been listening again this morning and I still can't hear that glaring error, even though I know where it is! ;)
Simply because it isn't a glaring error. It's a tiny, passing greenie. And I'm one of the critical ones around here :)
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Have you considered that he may just have cold hands on this performance? (I think someone mentioned that earlier).
no, he is not an amateur playing with cold hands
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What I don't get is why he insist in playing such a lovely song with the Gibson Les Paul... When he played it with the Strat it sounded delicate and lovely, with the LP it sounds rough and rude, at least to me. And if you add the kemper, that it makes everything sound too distorted and even more rough... Maybe (probably) is about taste, but I don't like the sounds he chosed lately, is like I'm listening to whatever rocker that just wants to make noise rather than the excelent player that used to want to deliver delicate, bright and lovely sounds...
The playing, well, yes, he did some mistakes, as usually, but I'm sure it was cold, very, look at his hat and clothes!
because of the exact reason you mentioned, it sounds more rough and rude and so errors are
much less noticeable while playing in a concert to untrained ears (90-95% of the people)
same reason why he used it also on Silvertown Blues and Once Upon a Time, all should have clean sounds, it's a trick
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Have you considered that he may just have cold hands on this performance? (I think someone mentioned that earlier).
no, he is not an amateur playing with cold hands
Sorry Pensaghost but even professional musicians are not immune form the cold ;)
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Have you considered that he may just have cold hands on this performance? (I think someone mentioned that earlier).
no, he is not an amateur playing with cold hands
Sorry Pensaghost but even professional musicians are not immune form the cold ;)
as if during cold live concerts you saw errors every 3 minutes from all musicians, but please
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The only thing I would say as a generalisation about many performances of local hero/GH/WT in say the last 10 years is that Mark seems a little bored with it.
Again this could be misinterpretation, but speaking as a musician if you compare say the OTN version to more recent performances he does seem to rush to the coda. In the good old days there was more anticipation in the run up to the main theme, it was played slower, with more dynamics, and often mark was happy to improvise around those lovely final 4 chords (D G#dim,BM Bdim) , making everyone wait before those beautiful familiar notes of the main theme.
Does anyone else feel the same?
Opinions?
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Have you considered that he may just have cold hands on this performance? (I think someone mentioned that earlier).
no, he is not an amateur playing with cold hands
Sorry Pensaghost but even professional musicians are not immune form the cold ;)
as if during cold live concerts you saw errors every 3 minutes from all musicians, but please
Fair enough, you don't get it. Cold does effect your playing though. you end up playing purely from muscle memory, that's ok for those who use a pick, but for fingerstyle its a nightmare.
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Have you considered that he may just have cold hands on this performance? (I think someone mentioned that earlier).
no, he is not an amateur playing with cold hands
Sorry Pensaghost but even professional musicians are not immune form the cold ;)
as if during cold live concerts you saw errors every 3 minutes from all musicians, but please
Fair enough, you don't get it. Cold does effect your playing though. you end up playing purely from muscle memory, that's ok for those who use a pick, but for fingerstyle its a nightmare.
we agree to not agree
post links of concerts full of errors because of cold if you can
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I have always said the true measure of a musicians talent is not how often they make a mistake, but how elegantly they recover. Mark is an absolute master at that.
As for the kemper amp, I have been really bummed about this decision since day one. It sure seems to go against everything Mark has stood for in the past. He has always gone the extra mile to have a genuine and authentic sound. Its a fine practice amp for those with limited spaces, but the sound is no where close to being in the same realm to a discerning ear imo. Its just plain lazy. I can't even listen to the audio recordings from this last tour.....
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The only thing I would say as a generalisation about many performances of local hero/GH/WT in say the last 10 years is that Mark seems a little bored with it.
Again this could be misinterpretation, but speaking as a musician if you compare say the OTN version to more recent performances he does seem to rush to the coda. In the good old days there was more anticipation in the run up to the main theme, it was played slower, with more dynamics, and often mark was happy to improvise around those lovely final 4 chords (D G#dim,BM Bdim) , making everyone wait before those beautiful familiar notes of the main theme.
Does anyone else feel the same?
Opinions?
Agree on all points.
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The only thing I would say as a generalisation about many performances of local hero/GH/WT in say the last 10 years is that Mark seems a little bored with it.
Again this could be misinterpretation, but speaking as a musician if you compare say the OTN version to more recent performances he does seem to rush to the coda. In the good old days there was more anticipation in the run up to the main theme, it was played slower, with more dynamics, and often mark was happy to improvise around those lovely final 4 chords (D G#dim,BM Bdim) , making everyone wait before those beautiful familiar notes of the main theme.
Does anyone else feel the same?
Opinions?
Agree on all points.
yes, it's happening in many songs, simplified versions
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The only thing I would say as a generalisation about many performances of local hero/GH/WT in say the last 10 years is that Mark seems a little bored with it.
Again this could be misinterpretation, but speaking as a musician if you compare say the OTN version to more recent performances he does seem to rush to the coda. In the good old days there was more anticipation in the run up to the main theme, it was played slower, with more dynamics, and often mark was happy to improvise around those lovely final 4 chords (D G#dim,BM Bdim) , making everyone wait before those beautiful familiar notes of the main theme.
Does anyone else feel the same?
Opinions?
Agree on all points.
yes, it's happening in many songs, simplified versions
I feel the same actually, and a Les Paul guitar change also not of great help here. To be honest, I just listened to the Stirling Moss performance just because I don't think that this version would bring many emotions in me, so I haven't even listened to it. I don't know why they bothered to film it at all, especially after Mark just have recorded the North Run version of the same exact song. What Mark is going to record Local Hero theme every week now? As a live piece that works no doubt about it. But it should've stayed the live performance. I barely noticed a mistake by the way, so I can say there's too much attention for that for sure.
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Have you considered that he may just have cold hands on this performance? (I think someone mentioned that earlier).
no, he is not an amateur playing with cold hands
Sorry Pensaghost but even professional musicians are not immune form the cold ;)
MK warming his hands. ;)
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Have you considered that he may just have cold hands on this performance? (I think someone mentioned that earlier).
no, he is not an amateur playing with cold hands
Sorry Pensaghost but even professional musicians are not immune form the cold ;)
as if during cold live concerts you saw errors every 3 minutes from all musicians, but please
Fair enough, you don't get it. Cold does effect your playing though. you end up playing purely from muscle memory, that's ok for those who use a pick, but for fingerstyle its a nightmare.
we agree to not agree
post links of concerts full of errors because of cold if you can
I could actually point you in numerous directions on that one but it's a silly argument and I'll leave it at that.
You've obviously never played in the UK in October :)
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The only thing I would say as a generalisation about many performances of local hero/GH/WT in say the last 10 years is that Mark seems a little bored with it.
Again this could be misinterpretation, but speaking as a musician if you compare say the OTN version to more recent performances he does seem to rush to the coda. In the good old days there was more anticipation in the run up to the main theme, it was played slower, with more dynamics, and often mark was happy to improvise around those lovely final 4 chords (D G#dim,BM Bdim) , making everyone wait before those beautiful familiar notes of the main theme.
Does anyone else feel the same?
Opinions?
Agree on all points.
yes, it's happening in many songs, simplified versions
I feel the same actually, and a Les Paul guitar change also not of great help here. To be honest, I just listened to the Stirling Moss performance just because I don't think that this version would bring many emotions in me, so I haven't even listened to it. I don't know why they bothered to film it at all, especially after Mark just have recorded the North Run version of the same exact song. What Mark is going to record Local Hero theme every week now? As a live piece that works no doubt about it. But it should've stayed the live performance. I barely noticed a mistake by the way, so I can say there's too much attention for that for sure.
Maybe he's getting ready for the local hero tour. A 4 hour retrospective featuring 37 different renditions of exactly the same song. Shortened to 30 minutes by the end of the tour :) ;)
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Have you considered that he may just have cold hands on this performance? (I think someone mentioned that earlier).
no, he is not an amateur playing with cold hands
Sorry Pensaghost but even professional musicians are not immune form the cold ;)
MK warming his hands. ;)
Thanks Superval, I rest my case ;D
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Have you considered that he may just have cold hands on this performance? (I think someone mentioned that earlier).
no, he is not an amateur playing with cold hands
Sorry Pensaghost but even professional musicians are not immune form the cold ;)
as if during cold live concerts you saw errors every 3 minutes from all musicians, but please
Fair enough, you don't get it. Cold does effect your playing though. you end up playing purely from muscle memory, that's ok for those who use a pick, but for fingerstyle its a nightmare.
we agree to not agree
post links of concerts full of errors because of cold if you can
I could actually point you in numerous directions on that one but it's a silly argument and I'll leave it at that.
You've obviously never played in the UK in October :)
And as a final addition, have a read of the salt lake city diary from last year and tell me that professional musicians are not effected by the cold! :smack
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I have to agree with you cold drafters, I remember it got so cold i couldn't sort the laces on my shoes
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And as a final addition, have a read of the salt lake city diary from last year and tell me that professional musicians are not effected by the cold! :smack
heat is better than cold for playing, the sky is blue and the grass is green, congratulations
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And as a final addition, have a read of the salt lake city diary from last year and tell me that professional musicians are not effected by the cold! :smack
heat is better than cold for playing, the sky is blue and the grass is green, congratulations
Oh come on Pensaghost, have a sense of humour! You've been outmanoeuvred by us coldies ;)
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I have to agree with you cold drafters, I remember it got so cold i couldn't sort the laces on my shoes
I remember it got so cold ice froze up the tank ;)
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OK, I think we all agree that Mark isn't as fleet-fingered as he used to be, due to age and who knows if there's some arthritis or other stuff going on. The cold certainly doesn't help. Then there's the fact that he has done it all, several times over, so to expect him to be really excited to perform and pour a ton of emotions into his playing, well, we might have to adjust our expectations. We certainly can't blame him for any of this. I'm guessing, he probably could practice more guitar to keep his chops up, but if he's not really into it, then what's the point. The guitar hero thing is old hat to him anyway.
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OK, I think we all agree that Mark isn't as fleet-fingered as he used to be, due to age and who knows if there's some arthritis or other stuff going on. The cold certainly doesn't help. Then there's the fact that he has done it all, several times over, so to expect him to be really excited to perform and pour a ton of emotions into his playing, well, we might have to adjust our expectations. We certainly can't blame him for any of this. I'm guessing, he probably could practice more guitar to keep his chops up, but if he's not really into it, then what's the point. The guitar hero thing is old hat to him anyway.
Welcome to the cold party ;)
I don't necessarily think he's bored in any way, I'm just wondering if he regards the way he used to play certain things as pretentious and unnecessary. There's no doubt that since the end of DS he's been on a journey towards simplification, 'less chords' as he once put it. Maybe we're just witnessing the end game of said process....
What do you think Hunter?
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OK, I think we all agree that Mark isn't as fleet-fingered as he used to be, due to age and who knows if there's some arthritis or other stuff going on. The cold certainly doesn't help. Then there's the fact that he has done it all, several times over, so to expect him to be really excited to perform and pour a ton of emotions into his playing, well, we might have to adjust our expectations. We certainly can't blame him for any of this. I'm guessing, he probably could practice more guitar to keep his chops up, but if he's not really into it, then what's the point. The guitar hero thing is old hat to him anyway.
Welcome to the cold party ;)
I don't necessarily think he's bored in any way, I'm just wondering if he regards the way he used to play certain things as pretentious and unnecessary. There's no doubt that since the end of DS he's been on a journey towards simplification, 'less chords' as he once put it. Maybe we're just witnessing the end game of said process....
What do you think Hunter?
No, I don't think he's totally bored with it all. Then he would just stop performing altogether. But it's quite obvious when his heart is not 100% into things. About how he views his playing, he has said that he feels he was trying too hard before, especially in the early days. He may have meant his singing too, which also was more aggressive then.
Otherwise I do indeed think we are witnessing the end game, so to speak. Kind of like a slow fade. I'm not sure we'll hear any of the big guitar songs again. You can't really simplify Sultans or Telegraph Road. Once Upon A Time In The West worked somehow, but the feeling was kind of bitter sweet. But I respect Mark for scaling back like this, adjusting things to his current conditions. It means he will go out with dignity.
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OK, I think we all agree that Mark isn't as fleet-fingered as he used to be, due to age and who knows if there's some arthritis or other stuff going on. The cold certainly doesn't help. Then there's the fact that he has done it all, several times over, so to expect him to be really excited to perform and pour a ton of emotions into his playing, well, we might have to adjust our expectations. We certainly can't blame him for any of this. I'm guessing, he probably could practice more guitar to keep his chops up, but if he's not really into it, then what's the point. The guitar hero thing is old hat to him anyway.
Welcome to the cold party ;)
I don't necessarily think he's bored in any way, I'm just wondering if he regards the way he used to play certain things as pretentious and unnecessary. There's no doubt that since the end of DS he's been on a journey towards simplification, 'less chords' as he once put it. Maybe we're just witnessing the end game of said process....
What do you think Hunter?
No, I don't think he's totally bored with it all. Then he would just stop performing altogether. But it's quite obvious when his heart is not 100% into things. About how he views his playing, he has said that he feels he was trying too hard before, especially in the early days. He may have meant his singing too, which also was more aggressive then.
Otherwise I do indeed think we are witnessing the end game, so to speak. Kind of like a slow fade. I'm not sure we'll hear any of the big guitar songs again. You can't really simplify Sultans or Telegraph Road. Once Upon A Time In The West worked somehow, but the feeling was kind of bitter sweet. But I respect Mark for scaling back like this, adjusting things to his current conditions. It means he will go out with dignity.
Well said.
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Getting away from his playing, I wondered if Mark used the opportunity to look at all those wonderful old cars. Or did Corona prevent this.
Looking at the longer video again I just realized that Mark featured in the tribute video for one second!
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Getting away from his playing, I wondered if Mark used the opportunity to look at all those wonderful old cars. Or did Corona prevent this.
Looking at the longer video again I just realized that Mark featured in the tribute video for one second!
There's so many opportunities apart from guitar hero status and playing tours. Mark just did a whole radio show, maybe he'll jump into some talking game or book game, which I hope for very much. I never understood that panic need of guitar playing or touring or going to shows and any panic need really. If you can't do it, just do something else, it's not the end of the world. And nobody understands it more than MK! Last tour he seemingly had more fun visiting vineyards, meeting friends and flying a plane than actually playing songs with this concentrated look and guitars lifted higher to suit his current health condition.
The sad thing is that he just lost his mum and sister, and that's the thing that can make anybody suddenly look and feel 20 years older. I remember when Tommy Emmanuel's brother died, despite the fact that Tommy is one of the happiest and optimistic guys in the world, he looked 15 years older from now on, it's just those life moments that break your heart, and it doesn't matter if you Mark Knopfler or some random guy, life will get to everyone.
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I have always said the true measure of a musicians talent is not how often they make a mistake, but how elegantly they recover. Mark is an absolute master at that.
As for the kemper amp, I have been really bummed about this decision since day one. It sure seems to go against everything Mark has stood for in the past. He has always gone the extra mile to have a genuine and authentic sound. Its a fine practice amp for those with limited spaces, but the sound is no where close to being in the same realm to a discerning ear imo. Its just plain lazy. I can't even listen to the audio recordings from this last tour.....
Great words diremark86.....A mixture of emotions for me listening to this version.
Don't get me wrong it's a lovely version as ever but of course MK is now 71 and still has it of sorts, but I do find it sad to see him playing LH when before he would literally 'waltz' through it without hardly looking at the fret board....
I really cannot add much more only that I agree with what you have said.
I must admit I haven't listened much to the last tour audios of late and am back to listening to the older albums.....
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OK, I think we all agree that Mark isn't as fleet-fingered as he used to be, due to age and who knows if there's some arthritis or other stuff going on. The cold certainly doesn't help. Then there's the fact that he has done it all, several times over, so to expect him to be really excited to perform and pour a ton of emotions into his playing, well, we might have to adjust our expectations. We certainly can't blame him for any of this. I'm guessing, he probably could practice more guitar to keep his chops up, but if he's not really into it, then what's the point. The guitar hero thing is old hat to him anyway.
cold obviously doesn't help but this was a very short perfomance, few minutes of playing in a very slow song, not a full concert, it's really ingenuous to think cold is the issue here, especially after an avalanche of errors in the 2019 tour
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OK, I think we all agree that Mark isn't as fleet-fingered as he used to be, due to age and who knows if there's some arthritis or other stuff going on. The cold certainly doesn't help. Then there's the fact that he has done it all, several times over, so to expect him to be really excited to perform and pour a ton of emotions into his playing, well, we might have to adjust our expectations. We certainly can't blame him for any of this. I'm guessing, he probably could practice more guitar to keep his chops up, but if he's not really into it, then what's the point. The guitar hero thing is old hat to him anyway.
cold obviously doesn't help but this was a very short perfomance, few minutes of playing in a very slow song, not a full concert, it's really ingenuous to think cold is the issue here, especially after an avalanche of errors in the 2019 tour
I mentioned my viewpoints earlier, and I'm not going to repeat them. At any rate, there were two tiny greenies (5:31 and 6:43), and they were not glaring. Or, they may be glaring to those of us who are very guitar oriented, but we need to keep in mind that we listen differently than most. Mark masked both errors well, and the general audience probably didn't even notice. Plus we hear the raw soundboard audio, which makes things sound a lot worse than they really are.
From a guitar-oriented viewpoint, though, my opinion is that the use of quite high gain on the amplifier is making every little click, noise and overtone very audible, which is not ideal when you're playing a quiet, stripped-back song like this.
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OK, I think we all agree that Mark isn't as fleet-fingered as he used to be, due to age and who knows if there's some arthritis or other stuff going on. The cold certainly doesn't help. Then there's the fact that he has done it all, several times over, so to expect him to be really excited to perform and pour a ton of emotions into his playing, well, we might have to adjust our expectations. We certainly can't blame him for any of this. I'm guessing, he probably could practice more guitar to keep his chops up, but if he's not really into it, then what's the point. The guitar hero thing is old hat to him anyway.
cold obviously doesn't help but this was a very short perfomance, few minutes of playing in a very slow song, not a full concert, it's really ingenuous to think cold is the issue here, especially after an avalanche of errors in the 2019 tour
I'm pretty sure that Mark suffer from some degenerative disease or a Parkinson variations.
Since 2013, seeing some tour videos, its cleary that Mark has tremor in his hands. Probably he uses a lot of medications so he was abble to play without major problems. Not the guitar hero that he used to be, but with strong hands.
During the passing years, he barely play a decent electric guitar but he was abble to play some acoustics very well. Observing the Brian Johnson interview, Mark almost didn't play the guitar during STP or any song. Just bad playing and fractions of songs.
In other recent interviews, Mark was hiding his hands or holding his leg almost all the time. Based on my observations, i believe that he loses his fingers strenght. For me, the proof of this was the DTRW album. He play mostly electric because he cannot play acoustics properly. Matchsick Man is not well played.
During the 2019 tour, he barely can play R&J or TR. Of course that was some good moments during Speedway and Why Aye Man. OUATIW was a disaster.
But our hero keeps his passion to the music and refuses to stop playing. But nowadays, for him, the art of playng guitar is very hard to achieve. Even if he practices guitar every day, this fisical condition is a nightmare.
Sorry about my poor english.
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OK, I think we all agree that Mark isn't as fleet-fingered as he used to be, due to age and who knows if there's some arthritis or other stuff going on. The cold certainly doesn't help. Then there's the fact that he has done it all, several times over, so to expect him to be really excited to perform and pour a ton of emotions into his playing, well, we might have to adjust our expectations. We certainly can't blame him for any of this. I'm guessing, he probably could practice more guitar to keep his chops up, but if he's not really into it, then what's the point. The guitar hero thing is old hat to him anyway.
cold obviously doesn't help but this was a very short perfomance, few minutes of playing in a very slow song, not a full concert, it's really ingenuous to think cold is the issue here, especially after an avalanche of errors in the 2019 tour
I'm pretty sure that Mark suffer from some degenerative disease or a Parkinson variations.
Since 2013, seeing some tour videos, its cleary that Mark has tremor in his hands. Probably he uses a lot of medications so he was abble to play without major problems. Not the guitar hero that he used to be, but with strong hands.
During the passing years, he barely play a decent electric guitar but he was abble to play some acoustics very well. Observing the Brian Johnson interview, Mark almost didn't play the guitar during STP or any song. Just bad playing and fractions of songs.
In other recent interviews, Mark was hiding his hands or holding his leg almost all the time. Based on my observations, i believe that he loses his fingers strenght. For me, the proof of this was the DTRW album. He play mostly electric because he cannot play acoustics properly. Matchsick Man is not well played.
During the 2019 tour, he barely can play R&J or TR. Of course that was some good moments during Speedway and Why Aye Man. OUATIW was a disaster.
But our hero keeps his passion to the music and refuses to stop playing. But nowadays, for him, the art of playng guitar is very hard to achieve. Even if he practices guitar every day, this fisical condition is a nightmare.
Sorry about my poor english.
And that's only at 71! As Mark said, "This getting older stuff ain't for wimps." Ain't for sensitive fans either. Because that's tough to observe!
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OK, I think we all agree that Mark isn't as fleet-fingered as he used to be, due to age and who knows if there's some arthritis or other stuff going on. The cold certainly doesn't help. Then there's the fact that he has done it all, several times over, so to expect him to be really excited to perform and pour a ton of emotions into his playing, well, we might have to adjust our expectations. We certainly can't blame him for any of this. I'm guessing, he probably could practice more guitar to keep his chops up, but if he's not really into it, then what's the point. The guitar hero thing is old hat to him anyway.
cold obviously doesn't help but this was a very short perfomance, few minutes of playing in a very slow song, not a full concert, it's really ingenuous to think cold is the issue here, especially after an avalanche of errors in the 2019 tour
I'm pretty sure that Mark suffer from some degenerative disease or a Parkinson variations.
Since 2013, seeing some tour videos, its cleary that Mark has tremor in his hands. Probably he uses a lot of medications so he was abble to play without major problems. Not the guitar hero that he used to be, but with strong hands.
During the passing years, he barely play a decent electric guitar but he was abble to play some acoustics very well. Observing the Brian Johnson interview, Mark almost didn't play the guitar during STP or any song. Just bad playing and fractions of songs.
In other recent interviews, Mark was hiding his hands or holding his leg almost all the time. Based on my observations, i believe that he loses his fingers strenght. For me, the proof of this was the DTRW album. He play mostly electric because he cannot play acoustics properly. Matchsick Man is not well played.
During the 2019 tour, he barely can play R&J or TR. Of course that was some good moments during Speedway and Why Aye Man. OUATIW was a disaster.
But our hero keeps his passion to the music and refuses to stop playing. But nowadays, for him, the art of playng guitar is very hard to achieve. Even if he practices guitar every day, this fisical condition is a nightmare.
Sorry about my poor english.
And that's only at 71! As Mark said, "This getting older stuff ain't for wimps." Ain't for sensitive fans either. Because that's tough to observe!
Exactly.
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Very good comment.
Very good quote.
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OK, I think we all agree that Mark isn't as fleet-fingered as he used to be, due to age and who knows if there's some arthritis or other stuff going on. The cold certainly doesn't help. Then there's the fact that he has done it all, several times over, so to expect him to be really excited to perform and pour a ton of emotions into his playing, well, we might have to adjust our expectations. We certainly can't blame him for any of this. I'm guessing, he probably could practice more guitar to keep his chops up, but if he's not really into it, then what's the point. The guitar hero thing is old hat to him anyway.
cold obviously doesn't help but this was a very short perfomance, few minutes of playing in a very slow song, not a full concert, it's really ingenuous to think cold is the issue here, especially after an avalanche of errors in the 2019 tour
I'm pretty sure that Mark suffer from some degenerative disease or a Parkinson variations.
Since 2013, seeing some tour videos, its cleary that Mark has tremor in his hands. Probably he uses a lot of medications so he was abble to play without major problems. Not the guitar hero that he used to be, but with strong hands.
During the passing years, he barely play a decent electric guitar but he was abble to play some acoustics very well. Observing the Brian Johnson interview, Mark almost didn't play the guitar during STP or any song. Just bad playing and fractions of songs.
In other recent interviews, Mark was hiding his hands or holding his leg almost all the time. Based on my observations, i believe that he loses his fingers strenght. For me, the proof of this was the DTRW album. He play mostly electric because he cannot play acoustics properly. Matchsick Man is not well played.
During the 2019 tour, he barely can play R&J or TR. Of course that was some good moments during Speedway and Why Aye Man. OUATIW was a disaster.
But our hero keeps his passion to the music and refuses to stop playing. But nowadays, for him, the art of playng guitar is very hard to achieve. Even if he practices guitar every day, this fisical condition is a nightmare.
Sorry about my poor english.
And that's only at 71! As Mark said, "This getting older stuff ain't for wimps." Ain't for sensitive fans either. Because that's tough to observe!
Exactly.
Yep. Aging comes in different ways. Guitar players like Jeff Beck (76) and Clapton (75) still got good hands for playing guitar. Unfortunately for us, Mark(71) has suffering to play a great guitar. But that's life.
Our hero choosed a different path in music. Fewer notes, less chords, just simple and beautifull music. In 2005/2006 i remember some die hard fans screaming that Mark couldn't play good stuff anymore. I never felt that.
Maybe this "desapointment" on Mark's playing came from years ago and now has achieve the pinacle.
Sorry again for my poor english.
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I'm curious if the motorcycle crash and the back problems he had in 2010 (?) have any effect on his hands/arms and therefore his playing. Once your back is hurt, all kinds of weird things can happen in other parts of your body.
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He's 71 years old.
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He's 71 years old.
Being 71 years old is not a diagnosis, every man ages differently. One can be older In 17 that somebody in 71...
I'm curious if the motorcycle crash and the back problems he had in 2010 (?) have any effect on his hands/arms and therefore his playing. Once your back is hurt, all kinds of weird things can happen in other parts of your body.
It could be connected. Even minor accident can leave a huge footprint in the body, let alone a major car accident and a year-long treatment involving surgery. As much as I love people who loves motorcycles, almost every one of them suffered from some kind of accident, major or minor. Dangerous stuff!
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He's 71 years old.
Being 71 years old is not a diagnosis, every man ages differently. One can be older In 17 that somebody in 71...
I'm curious if the motorcycle crash and the back problems he had in 2010 (?) have any effect on his hands/arms and therefore his playing. Once your back is hurt, all kinds of weird things can happen in other parts of your body.
It could be connected. Even minor accident can leave a huge footprint in the body, let alone a major car accident and a year-long treatment involving surgery. As much as I love people who loves motorcycles, almost every one of them suffered from some kind of accident, major or minor. Dangerous stuff!
I'm not trying to diagnose anything. I'm just pointing out a fact that many people seem to be oblivious to. Obviously, every man ages differently but we all know that's not the case with MK as he's suffered from various accidents/malaises over the years. I'm actually surprised he managed to put out a quite decent and lenghty tour at 70.
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OK, I think we all agree that Mark isn't as fleet-fingered as he used to be, due to age and who knows if there's some arthritis or other stuff going on. The cold certainly doesn't help. Then there's the fact that he has done it all, several times over, so to expect him to be really excited to perform and pour a ton of emotions into his playing, well, we might have to adjust our expectations. We certainly can't blame him for any of this. I'm guessing, he probably could practice more guitar to keep his chops up, but if he's not really into it, then what's the point. The guitar hero thing is old hat to him anyway.
cold obviously doesn't help but this was a very short perfomance, few minutes of playing in a very slow song, not a full concert, it's really ingenuous to think cold is the issue here, especially after an avalanche of errors in the 2019 tour
I'm pretty sure that Mark suffer from some degenerative disease or a Parkinson variations.
Since 2013, seeing some tour videos, its cleary that Mark has tremor in his hands. Probably he uses a lot of medications so he was abble to play without major problems. Not the guitar hero that he used to be, but with strong hands.
During the passing years, he barely play a decent electric guitar but he was abble to play some acoustics very well. Observing the Brian Johnson interview, Mark almost didn't play the guitar during STP or any song. Just bad playing and fractions of songs.
In other recent interviews, Mark was hiding his hands or holding his leg almost all the time. Based on my observations, i believe that he loses his fingers strenght. For me, the proof of this was the DTRW album. He play mostly electric because he cannot play acoustics properly. Matchsick Man is not well played.
During the 2019 tour, he barely can play R&J or TR. Of course that was some good moments during Speedway and Why Aye Man. OUATIW was a disaster.
But our hero keeps his passion to the music and refuses to stop playing. But nowadays, for him, the art of playng guitar is very hard to achieve. Even if he practices guitar every day, this fisical condition is a nightmare.
Sorry about my poor english.
I don't like to speculate about people and their medical issues, but there is no doubt Mark has something wrong. It could just be a side effect of a drug he is taking - we don't know. Your observations are spot on though Rolo and exactly what I have been thinking but didn't want to say.
Even the songs you mention I would have mentioned too as examples. R&J solo shortened because he struggles and barely any 2019 examples are played smoothly. If you watch when he plays it his hands are all over the place. It's painful to watch.
I know he loves touring and we all love going to his shows but he's earned his retirement and legend status. Bring on more new albums and unreleased stuff!
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I know he loves touring and we all love going to his shows but he's earned his retirement and legend status. Bring on more new albums and unreleased stuff!
I remember we talked about this when in 2011 MK toured with Dylan, and we saw in which conditions was Dylan touring, they way he growl his songs, I recall someone telling that never wanted to see MK touring like that...
I don't want to see MK touring like Dylan does, Dylan to me was painful to see and listen, but I think MK is still in good shape to do something more like the acoustic part of the concert than the rocker one... The rocker one is more demanding, but in the intimate he could deliver top quality!
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No, I definitely don't want to see MK touring in the condition that Dylan was in 2011/12. I would much rather he retired with dignity and continued to make albums. Maybe some small intimate concerts now and again would be nice!
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No, I definitely don't want to see MK touring in the condition that Dylan was in 2011/12. I would much rather he retired with dignity and continued to make albums. Maybe some small intimate concerts now and again would be nice!
I couldn't agree more.
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No, I definitely don't want to see MK touring in the condition that Dylan was in 2011/12. I would much rather he retired with dignity and continued to make albums. Maybe some small intimate concerts now and again would be nice!
I couldn't agree more.
if only all those not wanting to see him touring again would actually stay away and not taking all the good seats away from those for whom it is still one of the most precious and most beautiful things on earth to see him play live...
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I know he loves touring and we all love going to his shows but he's earned his retirement and legend status. Bring on more new albums and unreleased stuff!
I remember we talked about this when in 2011 MK toured with Dylan, and we saw in which conditions was Dylan touring, they way he growl his songs, I recall someone telling that never wanted to see MK touring like that...
I don't want to see MK touring like Dylan does, Dylan to me was painful to see and listen, but I think MK is still in good shape to do something more like the acoustic part of the concert than the rocker one... The rocker one is more demanding, but in the intimate he could deliver top quality!
Oh so true.
All I can remember is that me and my mate laughed so hard at Dylan's croaking. Especially during Things have changed.
*Mumble mumble RRRAAAH
Mumble mumble BRRREEEH*
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I know he loves touring and we all love going to his shows but he's earned his retirement and legend status. Bring on more new albums and unreleased stuff!
I remember we talked about this when in 2011 MK toured with Dylan, and we saw in which conditions was Dylan touring, they way he growl his songs, I recall someone telling that never wanted to see MK touring like that...
I don't want to see MK touring like Dylan does, Dylan to me was painful to see and listen, but I think MK is still in good shape to do something more like the acoustic part of the concert than the rocker one... The rocker one is more demanding, but in the intimate he could deliver top quality!
Oh so true.
All I can remember is that me and my mate laughed so hard at Dylan's croaking. Especially during Things have changed.
*Mumble mumble RRRAAAH
Mumble mumble BRRREEEH*
Oh, I remember it well! :lol
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I know he loves touring and we all love going to his shows but he's earned his retirement and legend status. Bring on more new albums and unreleased stuff!
I remember we talked about this when in 2011 MK toured with Dylan, and we saw in which conditions was Dylan touring, they way he growl his songs, I recall someone telling that never wanted to see MK touring like that...
I don't want to see MK touring like Dylan does, Dylan to me was painful to see and listen, but I think MK is still in good shape to do something more like the acoustic part of the concert than the rocker one... The rocker one is more demanding, but in the intimate he could deliver top quality!
I agree. I would pay good money to see Mark play a more intimate, acoustic tour, the way David Gilmour did in 2002, I believe.
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I was thinking about this on the way to work today (walking and talking to myself - I know, first sign of madness!).
There's no doubt that the concerts miss something if he cant play sultans, tr, and wont play tol (understandable noble reasons). It lacks the defining crescendo.
However I think there is still room for him to tour. I'd like to see him tackle some of the great songs that were never, or only occasionally played live. There are loads of candidates from both DS and solo, Mans to strong, Hand in hand, Portobello Belle, and some of the more atmospheric solo stuff like Sands of Nevada, So far from the Clyde, Gas and TV, I could go on....
I'd certainly pay good money to see a show with some unusual/unplayed gems...
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I was thinking about this on the way to work today (walking and talking to myself - I know, first sign of madness!).
There's no doubt that the concerts miss something if he cant play sultans, tr, and wont play tol (understandable noble reasons). It lacks the defining crescendo.
However I think there is still room for him to tour. I'd like to see him tackle some of the great songs that were never, or only occasionally played live. There are loads of candidates from both DS and solo, Mans to strong, Hand in hand, Portobello Belle, and some of the more atmospheric solo stuff like Sands of Nevada, So far from the Clyde, Gas and TV, I could go on....
I'd certainly pay good money to see a show with some unusual/unplayed gems...
The unfortunate part here is that a lot of "other" songs are vocally demanding as well, if not for guitar demanding. For this reason, I'm pretty sure songs like "5:15 a.m." was cut from the setlist completely, although Mark was playing just a rhythm part on a guitar, and Richard played all the leads. And I think many tracks that we would want to hear, Taormina and others, are just too demanding to sing. So not only Mark need to strip down his stadium tours, chose less demanding songs to play, but also less demanding songs to sign, and the list is so narrow actually. I might be wrong about this, but there's certainly a bold reasonoing about static setlist and all.
I honestly don't care too much about guitar, Mark was a guitar god to me only when I was in my teens, since then he's always been a singer-songwriter god to me, and the singer part is also crucial. Richard could play all the leads and I wouldn't mind, but the fact that no one can replace Mark's singing and his live singing is getting worse and worse is a huge pain. As was said before, late Bob Dylan's mumbling and growling is NOT what I'd like to hear from Mark.
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No, I definitely don't want to see MK touring in the condition that Dylan was in 2011/12. I would much rather he retired with dignity and continued to make albums. Maybe some small intimate concerts now and again would be nice!
Quite agree Superval, I just couldn't go to see MK with perhaps people walking out on him like people did (including us!) with BD at the joint gigs in 2011...
Personally I'd rather he now focus on some albums and perhaps guest appearances or similar... :wave
Sad to say I guess but we can all remember in our hearts our good times at MK concerts and everyone meeting up sharing in some most amazing music performed by the one and only master....
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Here is the official version of Going home on YouTube: https://youtu.be/MEgMtw13s9I
For he sounds good the mentioned greenie is in my opinion not so carrying weight
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I was thinking about this on the way to work today (walking and talking to myself - I know, first sign of madness!).
There's no doubt that the concerts miss something if he cant play sultans, tr, and wont play tol (understandable noble reasons). It lacks the defining crescendo.
However I think there is still room for him to tour. I'd like to see him tackle some of the great songs that were never, or only occasionally played live. There are loads of candidates from both DS and solo, Mans to strong, Hand in hand, Portobello Belle, and some of the more atmospheric solo stuff like Sands of Nevada, So far from the Clyde, Gas and TV, I could go on....
I'd certainly pay good money to see a show with some unusual/unplayed gems...
The unfortunate part here is that a lot of "other" songs are vocally demanding as well, if not for guitar demanding. For this reason, I'm pretty sure songs like "5:15 a.m." was cut from the setlist completely, although Mark was playing just a rhythm part on a guitar, and Richard played all the leads. And I think many tracks that we would want to hear, Taormina and others, are just too demanding to sing. So not only Mark need to strip down his stadium tours, chose less demanding songs to play, but also less demanding songs to sign, and the list is so narrow actually. I might be wrong about this, but there's certainly a bold reasonoing about static setlist and all.
I honestly don't care too much about guitar, Mark was a guitar god to me only when I was in my teens, since then he's always been a singer-songwriter god to me, and the singer part is also crucial. Richard could play all the leads and I wouldn't mind, but the fact that no one can replace Mark's singing and his live singing is getting worse and worse is a huge pain. As was said before, late Bob Dylan's mumbling and growling is NOT what I'd like to hear from Mark.
Some good points.
I don't 100% agree about his voice though. There is no doubt that at its best it has become thinner, a higher timbre, with less authority, but his actual vocal range has improved.
I think the reason he sounds rough at times is the mere demands of touring on the voice. I've taught, sang or performed in some way myself basically every day for nearly 30 years. No matter how well you warm up and warm down it takes its toll and the only cure is rest.
I reckon after 10 dates on a tour his voice is basically gone. Not to mention the damage smoking will have done.
What I find with my voice now is I can sing powerfully for probably 10 minutes and then it's done, side throat, scratchy, and painful.
I did make a few students weap with laughter today with an extremely croaky karaoke performance 😂 the content of which I couldn't possibly divulge due to the resulting extreme loss of credibility! 😀....
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To all those talking about the so called major error, first of all, he’s 71. That being said, try to fit your home key into the keyhole without gloves on a very cold day. Even better try to text on your cellphone. Now just imagine how tough it is to play the guitar in the cold at the age of 71. Yeah.
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To all those talking about the so called major error, first of all, he’s 71. That being said, try to fit your home key into the keyhole without gloves on a very cold day. Even better try to text on your cellphone. Now just imagine how tough it is to play the guitar in the cold at the age of 71. Yeah.
Sorry man, too funny not to comment... but how cold does it really get in Rio? ;D
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To all those talking about the so called major error, first of all, he’s 71. That being said, try to fit your home key into the keyhole without gloves on a very cold day. Even better try to text on your cellphone. Now just imagine how tough it is to play the guitar in the cold at the age of 71. Yeah.
Sorry man, too funny not to comment... but how cold does it really get in Rio? ;D
I lived for a long time in southern New Zealand and my mother lives in France so I’ve played in cold environments quite a few times, thank you very much lol
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To all those talking about the so called major error, first of all, he’s 71. That being said, try to fit your home key into the keyhole without gloves on a very cold day. Even better try to text on your cellphone. Now just imagine how tough it is to play the guitar in the cold at the age of 71. Yeah.
Sorry man, too funny not to comment... but how cold does it really get in Rio? ;D
I lived for a long time in southern New Zealand and my mother lives in France so I’ve played in cold environments quite a few times, thank you very much lol
Got it ;)
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To all those talking about the so called major error, first of all, he’s 71. That being said, try to fit your home key into the keyhole without gloves on a very cold day. Even better try to text on your cellphone. Now just imagine how tough it is to play the guitar in the cold at the age of 71. Yeah.
Sorry man, too funny not to comment... but how cold does it really get in Rio? ;D
I lived for a long time in southern New Zealand and my mother lives in France so I’ve played in cold environments quite a few times, thank you very much lol
Welcome to the cold side Eddie 😉
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To all those talking about the so called major error, first of all, he’s 71. That being said, try to fit your home key into the keyhole without gloves on a very cold day. Even better try to text on your cellphone. Now just imagine how tough it is to play the guitar in the cold at the age of 71. Yeah.
Sorry man, too funny not to comment... but how cold does it really get in Rio? ;D
I lived for a long time in southern New Zealand and my mother lives in France so I’ve played in cold environments quite a few times, thank you very much lol
Welcome to the cold side Eddie 😉
Believe it or not, I miss it. Don’t really enjoy the heat. Anyway, I think it’s common sense Mark’s playing has been affected by a number of things but I don’t think it was a bad performance at all.
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To all those talking about the so called major error, first of all, he’s 71. That being said, try to fit your home key into the keyhole without gloves on a very cold day. Even better try to text on your cellphone. Now just imagine how tough it is to play the guitar in the cold at the age of 71. Yeah.
Sorry man, too funny not to comment... but how cold does it really get in Rio? ;D
I lived for a long time in southern New Zealand and my mother lives in France so I’ve played in cold environments quite a few times, thank you very much lol
Welcome to the cold side Eddie 😉
Believe it or not, I miss it. Don’t really enjoy the heat. Anyway, I think it’s common sense Mark’s playing has been affected by a number of things but I don’t think it was a bad performance at all.
Agreed.
Death by over analysis.
For all those 'cold deniers', even Guy says Goodwood was chilly....