A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: hunter on April 28, 2021, 01:11:05 PM
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Now that's interesting! And David said the same thing, "If Mark had gone, I would have gone." IMO, between the lines, that says a lot about their relationship. At 1:24 onwards:
https://youtu.be/n6rKUO00lRk?t=85 (https://youtu.be/n6rKUO00lRk?t=85)
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Yeah, very nice to listen to that...
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This Hall of Fame is so funny. Let's give all these stars an award, but they have to pay for all! I have an idea. Here, Mark and David, go to Russia and I'll present you both with an award. You have to pay all the travel expenses though. Oh, and by the way, also do Dire Straits reunion, just by the way.
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This Hall of Fame is so funny. Let's give all these stars an award, but they have to pay for all! I have an idea. Here, Mark and David, go to Russia and I'll present you both with an award. You have to pay all the travel expenses though. Oh, and by the way, also do Dire Straits reunion, just by the way.
RRHoF has been discussed to death in other threads. The point here was that BOTH brothers kind of considered going if the OTHER brother would go. That was quite heart warming to hear actually.
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This Hall of Fame is so funny. Let's give all these stars an award, but they have to pay for all! I have an idea. Here, Mark and David, go to Russia and I'll present you both with an award. You have to pay all the travel expenses though. Oh, and by the way, also do Dire Straits reunion, just by the way.
RRHoF has been discussed to death in other threads. The point here was that BOTH brothers kind of considered going if the OTHER brother would go. That was quite heart warming to hear actually.
Maybe they starting to talk to each other after their mother's funeral... so when the RNRHOF thing happened, they were on speaking terms again.
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David "but I don't have $$ to go there"
Mark won't pay anything of course
So they didn't go
What a nice relationship, really nice
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David "but I don't have $$ to go there"
Mark won't pay anything of course
So they didn't go
What a nice relationship, really nice
Are you suggesting that MK should had paid David's costs?
MK probably agreed with David that all costs should had been paid by the Hall of fame people so that's a nonsense.
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David "but I don't have $$ to go there"
Mark won't pay anything of course
So they didn't go
What a nice relationship, really nice
Are you suggesting that MK should had paid David's costs?
MK probably agreed with David that all costs should had been paid by the Hall of fame people so that's a nonsense.
Yes. I don't think this was an easy choice for those who went, if I remember correctly Guy said it was something like 100K dollars just to book a table at HoF. Add to this enormous travel expenses and this is nuts. And I think such money doesn't exactly grow on trees especially for guys like Guy. So I think yes, Mark was like "If even David will pull the trigger, I have no choice to be such a jerk not to go". The fact that Guy went and Mark didn't is funny though, you can tell Guy cares about it a lot, and rightfully so.
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David "but I don't have $$ to go there"
Mark won't pay anything of course
So they didn't go
What a nice relationship, really nice
Are you suggesting that MK should had paid David's costs?
MK probably agreed with David that all costs should had been paid by the Hall of fame people so that's a nonsense.
And you ask ? MK has 100s millions or whatever, MK agrees to go with his brother to the event but the brother doesn't have the $$ to go to the event, he should pay everything imo, that's the very very very very least he should do after 40 years, not even 1 millisecond is needed to think
MK is the guy who tours with a Kemper (which is a digital simulation of the amps he owns) probably to save $1000 of tour costs
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David "but I don't have $$ to go there"
Mark won't pay anything of course
So they didn't go
What a nice relationship, really nice
Are you suggesting that MK should had paid David's costs?
MK probably agreed with David that all costs should had been paid by the Hall of fame people so that's a nonsense.
And you ask ? MK has 100s millions or whatever, MK agrees to go with his brother to the event but the brother doesn't have the $$ to go to the event, he should pay everything imo, that's the very very very very least he should do after 40 years, not even 1 millisecond is needed to think
MK is the guy who tours with a Kemper (which is a digital simulation of the amps he owns) probably to save $1000 of tour costs
Millionaires are the meanest kind; you don't get rich by giving money away!
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David "but I don't have $$ to go there"
Mark won't pay anything of course
So they didn't go
What a nice relationship, really nice
Are you suggesting that MK should had paid David's costs?
MK probably agreed with David that all costs should had been paid by the Hall of fame people so that's a nonsense.
And you ask ? MK has 100s millions or whatever, MK agrees to go with his brother to the event but the brother doesn't have the $$ to go to the event, he should pay everything imo, that's the very very very very least he should do after 40 years, not even 1 millisecond is needed to think
MK is the guy who tours with a Kemper (which is a digital simulation of the amps he owns) probably to save $1000 of tour costs
The fact that he is millionaire doesnt means he has to pay his brothers costs, when it's not him who should pay it, but the RARHOF who has to pay not only his brother's costs but his own costs, as they (RARHOF) makes a lot of money of the event.
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David "but I don't have $$ to go there"
Mark won't pay anything of course
So they didn't go
What a nice relationship, really nice
Are you suggesting that MK should had paid David's costs?
MK probably agreed with David that all costs should had been paid by the Hall of fame people so that's a nonsense.
And you ask ? MK has 100s millions or whatever, MK agrees to go with his brother to the event but the brother doesn't have the $$ to go to the event, he should pay everything imo, that's the very very very very least he should do after 40 years, not even 1 millisecond is needed to think
MK is the guy who tours with a Kemper (which is a digital simulation of the amps he owns) probably to save $1000 of tour costs
The fact that he is millionaire doesnt means he has to pay his brothers costs, when it's not him who should pay it, but the RARHOF who has to pay not only his brother's costs but his own costs, as they (RARHOF) makes a lot of money of the event.
that implies the ones who went John Illsley and Guy Fletcher and Alan Clark are all idiots, I think not
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David "but I don't have $$ to go there"
Mark won't pay anything of course
So they didn't go
What a nice relationship, really nice
Are you suggesting that MK should had paid David's costs?
MK probably agreed with David that all costs should had been paid by the Hall of fame people so that's a nonsense.
And you ask ? MK has 100s millions or whatever, MK agrees to go with his brother to the event but the brother doesn't have the $$ to go to the event, he should pay everything imo, that's the very very very very least he should do after 40 years, not even 1 millisecond is needed to think
MK is the guy who tours with a Kemper (which is a digital simulation of the amps he owns) probably to save $1000 of tour costs
The fact that he is millionaire doesnt means he has to pay his brothers costs, when it's not him who should pay it, but the RARHOF who has to pay not only his brother's costs but his own costs, as they (RARHOF) makes a lot of money of the event.
that implies the ones who went John Illsley and Guy Fletcher and Alan Clark are all idiots, I think not
That's what you say. Not me. They decided to go and pay their expenses, good for them. And thanks, despite the bad treatment, they decided to spend their money honoring the fans.
Mark and David decided not to go by their good reasons. Also good for them,as they were right. They shouldn't pay anything to go. John, Alan and Guy shouldn't had paid either, but they went anyway. Each to his own.
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Can we at least all agree on one thing? That the so called Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a pile of shite?
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done.
but where did guy say it cost 100k?
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also, "mark said to his manager..."
so clearly this is not a case of direct brother contact.
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done.
but where did guy say it cost 100k?
Most likely it was 10k, but, according to David, that's what the guests had to pay. Surely, the artists didn't have to pay for that, but for transportation and accomodation.
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Even though Mark and David speak with each other, I still think it's nice they said what they said.
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Can we at least all agree on one thing? That the so called Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a pile of shite?
From what Guy said I understood that the people who organized the event were shit, and the people from the RARHOF were very kind with them. and treat them the way is meant to be.
https://guyfletcher.co.uk/rockhall-induction-weekend-2018/
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also, "mark said to his manager..."
so clearly this is not a case of direct brother contact.
My thoughts exactly.
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also, "mark said to his manager..."
so clearly this is not a case of direct brother contact.
My thoughts exactly.
I think it's out of context, Mark said to his manager that if David would not go, so his manager should not worry about organizing everything. I think it was more a question of management and not a personal remark. I think there is a 100% possibility that they talk or email each other because I can't imagine how arrogant one can be to dismiss his brother after all they went through last 2 or 3 years. I just can't imagine that.
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also, "mark said to his manager..."
so clearly this is not a case of direct brother contact.
My thoughts exactly.
I think it's out of context, Mark said to his manager that if David would not go, so his manager should not worry about organizing everything. I think it was more a question of management and not a personal remark. I think there is a 100% possibility that they talk or email each other because I can't imagine how arrogant one can be to dismiss his brother after all they went through last 2 or 3 years. I just can't imagine that.
you do not like your hero to be an arsehole, but maybe he just is,...towards his brother.
not saying he is, just saying there is no proof in that interview to show they actually talk.
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Ignoring your brother isn't necessarily being an arsehole.
None of us have any idea what David has said or done to Mark that has caused them to fall out.
Anyhoo, this whole thing was a complete shambles. Remember when John had to give his own speech because they couldn't find anyone to induct the band? LOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL
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Ignoring your brother isn't necessarily being an arsehole.
None of us have any idea what David has said or done to Mark that has caused them to fall out.
Anyhoo, this whole thing was a complete shambles. Remember when John had to give his own speech because they couldn't find anyone to induct the band? LOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL
Yes, it's a huge topic on its own... Of course, you can't choose your brother, and if he makes something you don't love or straight-up hate, it's okay to cut ties in my book. However, from far away it does not seem to be so severe in the case of the Knopfler brothers. History shows that Mark dismisses a lot of people, but usually for more or less solid reasons. This "war" between brothers is going on for years and I don't think that it's only Mark not loving David's music or David hating Mark for "sacking" him 40 years ago. There must be a more bold reason, insult, jealousy, or other types of conflict going on. But, as Dusty would say, it's not my business. But it certainly worth discussing.
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I listened to Everybody Pays the other day for the first time in a long time. I still think that is about DK.
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David comes across as a lot more understanding and forgiving regarding Mark's "dictatorial" behavior in the early days, saying they were all young and inexperienced, etc.
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Today Alan Clark said this on FB: The Hall of Fame paid for the business class flights and hotel suites for us and our wives//partners.
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Today Alan Clark said this on FB: The Hall of Fame paid for the business class flights and hotel suites for us and our wives//partners.
Well, that's what David said, and I guess that they realised that if they wanted someone from DS, after losing the Knopfler brothers, they would had to pay for the rest, as Pick also refused to go...
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For me it's all to little, to late, they have given an award to a band that has not been active for 26 years, which is when the On Every Street tour ended, the rule state they are eligible for the RRHOL 25 years after their first record, that being Sultans of Swing in 1978 so, they were eligible from 2003 that would still have been 10 years since the On Every Street tour ended, if the band was still an on going concern, then I would have expected Mark, and possibly David and Pick to have attended, but so long after a band has ended, is there really any point? Does Dire Straits need to be inducted to be in the history of music, no, so, frankly, who cares? I don't, but if John, Guy and Alan do care, I am happy for them.
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Something doesn't add up here.
David surely would have gone if they paid for his hotel and flights.
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Something doesn't add up here.
David surely would have gone if they paid for his hotel and flights.
I bet it's what I said, after Pick, David and Mark said no, they realised they must pay for the remaining if they wanted any DS to be inducted at the ceremony!
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IMO when a person is not respected as he should have the right and duty not to lend his side by paying with the same behavior that he received.
Mark responded in this sense when he said that the thing as it had been studied at the beginning was not convincing neither him nor his manager and Mark decided not to participate at ceremony.
I don't believe in the slightest requests for names like dylan or clapton from mark, not even that mark was so busy for the musical, so much so that a few days later he attended a small event in Italy.
I have never cared so much about this museum in cleveland, dire straits and mark knopfler have received real recognition in other situations and above all from the endless audience of people day by day for years they have listened to that music considering it truly 'special'......
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Something doesn't add up here.
David surely would have gone if they paid for his hotel and flights.
Definetely
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Something doesn't add up here.
David surely would have gone if they paid for his hotel and flights.
Definetely
So it leaves two options: either David is lying or Alan is lying. Or David is not lying, he just never investigated this thing to the point when he would know Hall of Fame would pay for everything. I think he just assumed or somebody told him they won't pay, which seems to be a common myth surrounding HOF. So I think it was just David not wanting to go in the first place and then trying to come up with a solid reason not to go to HOF event.
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Something doesn't add up here.
David surely would have gone if they paid for his hotel and flights.
Definetely
So it leaves two options: either David is lying or Alan is lying. Or David is not lying, he just never investigated this thing to the point when he would know Hall of Fame would pay for everything. I think he just assumed or somebody told him they won't pay, which seems to be a common myth surrounding HOF. So I think it was just David not wanting to go in the first place and then trying to come up with a solid reason not to go to HOF event.
I understood that David said that he would have gone ONLY if Mark would have gone too
so even if the costs were paid, there was another condition : that Mark would accept to go
knowing that Mark wouldn't go, then he decided not to go, and maybe did not investigated more about costs like you said