A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: straitsway75 on July 21, 2021, 11:35:49 PM
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Today on bob's tube channel....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUT7N8RYgSI
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How on Earth something like this could be an outtake? :o
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.....dorfsman said in an interview that sometimes he had the impression that bob was a saboteur of himself... :)
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here we all know about Mark's disappointment with Bob in those days....
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5 DISC VERSION:
Disc 1
1. Señor (Tales of Yankee Power) (Rehearsal)
2. To Ramona (Rehearsal)
3. Jesus Met the Woman at the Well (Rehearsal)
4. Mary of the Wild Moor (Rehearsal)
5. Need a Woman (Rehearsal)
6. A Couple More Years (Rehearsal)
7. Mystery Train (Shot of Love Outtake)
8. This Night Won't Last Forever (Rehearsal)
9. We Just Disagree (Rehearsal)
10. Let's Keep It Between Us (Rehearsal)
11. Sweet Caroline (Rehearsal)
12. Fever (Rehearsal)
13. Abraham, Martin and John (Rehearsal)
Disc 2
1. Angelina (Shot of Love Outtake)
2. Price of Love (Shot of Love Outtake)
3. I Wish It Would Rain (Shot of Love Outtake)
4. Let It Be Me (International 7" Single B-Side)
5. Cold, Cold Heart (Shot of Love Outtake)
6. Don't Ever Take Yourself Away (Shot of Love Outtake)
7. Fur Slippers (Shot of Love Outtake)
8. Borrowed Time (Shot of Love Outtake)
9. Is It Worth It? (Shot of Love Outtake)
10. Lenny Bruce (Shot of Love Alternate Mix)
11. Yes Sir, No Sir (Shot of Love Outtake)
Disc 3
1. Jokerman (Infidels Alternate Take)
2. Blind Willie McTell (Take 5 - Infidels Outtake)
3. Don't Fall Apart on Me Tonight (Version 1) (Infidels Alternate Take)
4. Don't Fall Apart on Me Tonight (Version 2) (Infidels Alternate Take)
5. Neighborhood Bully (Infidels Alternate Take)
6. Someone's Got a Hold of My Heart (Infidels Outtake)
7. This Was My Love (Infidels Outtake)
8. Too Late (Acoustic Version) (Infidels Outtake)
9. Too Late (Band Version) (Infidels Outtake)
10. Foot of Pride (Infidels Outtake)
Disc 4
1. Clean Cut Kid (Infidels Outtake)
2. Sweetheart Like You (Infidels Alternate Take)
3. Baby What You Want Me To Do (Infidels Outtake)
4. Tell Me (Infidels Outtake)
5. Angel Flying Too Close to the Ground (Infidels Outtake)
6. Julius and Ethel (Infidels Outtake)
7. Green, Green Grass of Home (Infidels Outtake)
8. Union Sundown (Infidels Outtake)
9. Lord Protect My Child (Infidels Outtake)
10. I and I (Infidels Alternate Take)
11. Death is Not the End (Full Version) (Infidels Outtake)
Disc 5
1. Enough is Enough (Live from Slane Castle, Ireland)
2. License to Kill (Live on Late Night with David Letterman 03/22/84)
3. I'll Remember You (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
4. Tight Connection to My Heart (Has Anyone Seen My Love) (Empire Burlesque Alternate Mix)
5. Seeing the Real You at Last (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
6. Emotionally Yours (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
7. Clean Cut Kid (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
8. Straight A's in Love (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
9. When the Night Comes Falling from the Sky (Empire Burlesque (Slow Version) Alternate Take)
10. When the Night Comes Falling from the Sky (Empire Burlesque (Fast Version) Alternate Take)
11. New Danville Girl (Empire Burlesque Outtake)
12. Dark Eyes (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
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only version i am interested in
release date 17.09
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5 DISC VERSION:
Disc 1
1. Señor (Tales of Yankee Power) (Rehearsal)
2. To Ramona (Rehearsal)
3. Jesus Met the Woman at the Well (Rehearsal)
4. Mary of the Wild Moor (Rehearsal)
5. Need a Woman (Rehearsal)
6. A Couple More Years (Rehearsal)
7. Mystery Train (Shot of Love Outtake)
8. This Night Won't Last Forever (Rehearsal)
9. We Just Disagree (Rehearsal)
10. Let's Keep It Between Us (Rehearsal)
11. Sweet Caroline (Rehearsal)
12. Fever (Rehearsal)
13. Abraham, Martin and John (Rehearsal)
Disc 2
1. Angelina (Shot of Love Outtake)
2. Price of Love (Shot of Love Outtake)
3. I Wish It Would Rain (Shot of Love Outtake)
4. Let It Be Me (International 7" Single B-Side)
5. Cold, Cold Heart (Shot of Love Outtake)
6. Don't Ever Take Yourself Away (Shot of Love Outtake)
7. Fur Slippers (Shot of Love Outtake)
8. Borrowed Time (Shot of Love Outtake)
9. Is It Worth It? (Shot of Love Outtake)
10. Lenny Bruce (Shot of Love Alternate Mix)
11. Yes Sir, No Sir (Shot of Love Outtake)
Disc 3
1. Jokerman (Infidels Alternate Take)
2. Blind Willie McTell (Take 5 - Infidels Outtake)
3. Don't Fall Apart on Me Tonight (Version 1) (Infidels Alternate Take)
4. Don't Fall Apart on Me Tonight (Version 2) (Infidels Alternate Take)
5. Neighborhood Bully (Infidels Alternate Take)
6. Someone's Got a Hold of My Heart (Infidels Outtake)
7. This Was My Love (Infidels Outtake)
8. Too Late (Acoustic Version) (Infidels Outtake)
9. Too Late (Band Version) (Infidels Outtake)
10. Foot of Pride (Infidels Outtake)
Disc 4
1. Clean Cut Kid (Infidels Outtake)
2. Sweetheart Like You (Infidels Alternate Take)
3. Baby What You Want Me To Do (Infidels Outtake)
4. Tell Me (Infidels Outtake)
5. Angel Flying Too Close to the Ground (Infidels Outtake)
6. Julius and Ethel (Infidels Outtake)
7. Green, Green Grass of Home (Infidels Outtake)
8. Union Sundown (Infidels Outtake)
9. Lord Protect My Child (Infidels Outtake)
10. I and I (Infidels Alternate Take)
11. Death is Not the End (Full Version) (Infidels Outtake)
Disc 5
1. Enough is Enough (Live from Slane Castle, Ireland)
2. License to Kill (Live on Late Night with David Letterman 03/22/84)
3. I'll Remember You (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
4. Tight Connection to My Heart (Has Anyone Seen My Love) (Empire Burlesque Alternate Mix)
5. Seeing the Real You at Last (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
6. Emotionally Yours (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
7. Clean Cut Kid (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
8. Straight A's in Love (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
9. When the Night Comes Falling from the Sky (Empire Burlesque (Slow Version) Alternate Take)
10. When the Night Comes Falling from the Sky (Empire Burlesque (Fast Version) Alternate Take)
11. New Danville Girl (Empire Burlesque Outtake)
12. Dark Eyes (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
I no have this edition ???
I wonder why somepeople talked about a SOS live in those sessions but never listed in several bootlegs...
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How on Earth something like this could be an outtake? :o
Apparently is an early version of "Foot of pride"
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I wonder why somepeople talked about a SOS live in those sessions but never listed in several bootlegs...
In the book "Surviving in a ruthless world" there is a list of every single song, jam etc they recorded during the Infidels sessions and there is not a single trace of SOS being played...
In that book is mentioned that "Too Late" was evolving until turning into "Foot of pride" after several takes during the weeks they spent recording.
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I wonder why somepeople talked about a SOS live in those sessions but never listed in several bootlegs...
In the book "Surviving in a ruthless world" there is a list of every single song, jam etc they recorded during the Infidels sessions and there is not a single trace of SOS being played...
In that book is mentioned that "Too Late" was evolving until turning into "Foot of pride" after several takes during the weeks they spent recording.
OK
"Surviving in a ruthless world" will be sure the next book that I'll read ....Thanks
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most of tracks were already available on silver pressed bootleg "Rough cuts"
but now it will be an "official" release
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bob-dylans-new-bootleg-series-spotlight-early-eighties-infidels-period-1199615/
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How on Earth something like this could be an outtake? :o
Apparently is an early version of "Foot of pride"
I find it very different from "Foot pride"
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How on Earth something like this could be an outtake? :o
Apparently is an early version of "Foot of pride"
I find it very different from "Foot pride"
That's what the book says
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"Infidels" is one of my favourites and it could have been even better if Dylan had chosen a few different songs - I still can't believe "Foot Of Pride", "Blind Willie McTell" etc. were left out! - and of course hadn't messed up the production.
If Mark (or another good producer) had had more influence on the arrangements and the whole production, it could have been a whole new level.
I think e.g. Daniel Lanois did a splendid job with "Oh Mercy" (another favourite), of course very different in style, though.
"Infidels" sounds too much like a demo hastily cobbled together.
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Big image here: https://cdn.smehost.net/bobdylancom-uscolumbiaprod/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Dylan_SINY_Bootleg_Vol16_DLX_r4.jpg
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Very good :thumbsup
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here we all know about Mark's disappointment with Bob in those days....
Yeah? I didn't get that impression...i mean, judging by the Guy's tour diaries Bob is a peculiar guy, but again I guess that Mark would not join him for a tour if they didn't get around quite well
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here we all know about Mark's disappointment with Bob in those days....
Yeah? I didn't get that impression...i mean, judging by the Guy's tour diaries Bob is a peculiar guy, but again I guess that Mark would not join him for a tour if they didn't get around quite well
he meant back in 84. and even if, he would never express that feeling to his big hero.
pretty sure they are on good terms these days.
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How on Earth something like this could be an outtake? :o
Apparently is an early version of "Foot of pride"
I find it very different from "Foot pride"
Some of the lyrics are the same.
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here we all know about Mark's disappointment with Bob in those days....
Yeah? I didn't get that impression...i mean, judging by the Guy's tour diaries Bob is a peculiar guy, but again I guess that Mark would not join him for a tour if they didn't get around quite well
he meant back in 84. and even if, he would never express that feeling to his big hero.
pretty sure they are on good terms these days.
here is an very interesting uncut article where you'll find Neil Dorfsman words about Infidels experience
https://www.uncut.co.uk/features/inside-bob-dylans-80s-agent-provocateur-saboteur-97115/
here, a Bono interview to Bob, you'll find a specific question about Mark and Bob .......
https://www.interferenza.net/bcs/interw/84-jul8.htm
Music fans all over the world, myself included, knows the importance that Bob Dylan has had and always will have, very few of his importance, perhaps only Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley, John Lennon and a few others.
Every time I go back to listening Infidels, knowing outakes as blind willie mctell, and as too late, I always think of a missed opportunity to have one of the greatest records ever by Bob Dylan.
At the time I remember words from Mark, always a devoted admirer, but with great disappointment, sorry that Bob hadn't waited for him to finish the record. Now as then, I think Mark was right, despite the fact that we are talking about a Bob album, and so it is he who must have the last word. Mark on that occasion felt overshadowed, and in my opinion the two had not had good relations for many years. Bob over the years has had collaborations with all the greatest in the world, but between 1986 australia and the 2011 tour I don't remember any connections between him and Mark. And if I have to say it all years later, for the 2011/2012 tours I did not like the treatment given to Mark, he and his band were just a side band, with only the smaller photo on the bill. Guy wrote in his diary that he got a glimpse of Bob once and didn't even introduce himself as a member of Mark's band, because Bob is Bob. one of the greatest in history but he is not God...
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The answer sounds like that Bob was bored with Mark's overproduction style and sound detail fetish. Reading further on what Bob says about album recordings back in the day and nowadays I think he is absolutely right. Today it takes four days to find a drum sound, he says. And it's true that since British Grove exists, Mark's albums did not automatically better, to say the least.
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The answer sounds like that Bob was bored with Mark's overproduction style and sound detail fetish. Reading further on what Bob says about album recordings back in the day and nowadays I think he is absolutely right. Today it takes four days to find a drum sound, he says. And it's true that since British Grove exists, Mark's albums did not automatically better, to say the least.
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Yes, album production became slower and too technical if anything. I miss 'Shangri-La' vibes!
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Since the beginning Mark has been synonymous with quality in his records, not by chance in the 80s people who wanted to listen to beautiful and well recorded songs came out of the shops not only with the first album but also with Making Movies or Love over Gold.
It is well known that those albums were the result of overdubs and similar things.
So I wonder what's the point of relying on people who record in a way that you consider inappropriate?
The general sound of an album is often confused with the production of beautiful songs, one does not exclude the other, but if there are no good songs at the base, you can record them in the first bar without touching them, but it will remain a bad song.
Dream of a drowner submariner, what it is, sailing to philadelphia, rudiger and so on (wasn't there), but they sure have overdubs, but they're great.
The wall and dark side, aren't they milestones? chock full of overdubs, for the beatles phil spector didn't put his own on its record?
This is to say if you rely on someone, you have to do it to the end also for a matter of consistency, it is as if you called the plumber and told him 'the sink is leaking but iou sits down' as well as I'll fix it' when I finish do other damage 'ok here is the money for the time lost bye' and the sink is leaking anyway.
Returning to Bob Dylan and Infidels I think that he did not respect Mark as an artist and producer and that if he did we would have a great album.
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Just because they didn’t work together doesn’t mean they weren’t friends.
There is a Q magazine interview from about 1988 where Mark is interrupted by a call from Bob wanting to meet up.
We really have no clue what goes on behind closed doors.
Until this week we didn’t know Mark had Thanksgiving dinner with Madonna and Cyndi Lauper.
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Just because they didn’t work together doesn’t mean they weren’t friends.
I write IMO 'probably', The sense of what I wrote that at the time Bob did not respect Mark as an artist and producer, are Dorfsman's words attentive or not? only this
'We really have no clue what goes on behind closed doors' sure that is true ...
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Until this week we didn’t know Mark had Thanksgiving dinner with Madonna and Cyndi Lauper.
Have I missed something? :hmm
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I do not understand too :think
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https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ3MjcwNTgucnNz/episode/dGFnOmF1ZGlvYm9vbS5jb20sMjAyMS0wNS0yNDovcG9zdHMvNzg3MzA0NA?hl=en-GB&ved=2ahUKEwjvuoTGxIDyAhVIThUIHYxEDGAQjrkEegQIAhAI&ep=6
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Thank you. I didn't know about it.
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I didn't know wither, this was the time of Madonna's 1st album, so was not as famous then as she would later become, I wonder what they had to talk about. I bet Mark has met many other famous artists we don't know about.
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I didn't know wither, this was the time of Madonna's 1st album, so was not as famous then as she would later become, I wonder what they had to talk about. I bet Mark has met many other famous artists we don't know about.
That's not a cool story though, check out how Charlie Hunnam went to Madonna's house for dinner when he was young:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO-J2x_iGks
So I think that's more connected to Madonna and her's behavior, rather than to Mark's :lol
Maybe she's just into Geordies or something?
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"I bet Mark has met many other famous artists we don't know about"
Oh yes. It's a pity Mark didn't play with Leonard Cohen. I heard that such a meeting was planned.
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The RSD release of Jokerman / I & I remixes contains some (very minor, nothing mind blowing) extra guitar licks from our Man. Honestly, I wouldn't recommend the EP though, it's more of a curiosity.