A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: dustyvalentino on September 15, 2021, 11:59:34 AM
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Just for fun, lets run a poll to find out what the "official" AMIT favourite DS album is!
Here's how it works - each poll will run for 7 days.
Vote for your least favourite DS album (I know we love them all, this is just for fun).
At the end of the 7 days the album with the most votes will be eliminated and a new poll will be created with the remaining albums.
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oooooh this looks pretty exciting - well done Dusty....
MK Solo album poll next?
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oooooh this looks pretty exciting - well done Dusty....
MK Solo album poll next?
Good plan, then the soundtracks :)
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oooooh this looks pretty exciting - well done Dusty....
MK Solo album poll next?
Good plan, then the soundtracks :)
Sounds a good plan.... :clap
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Very difficult!
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Seen this on Reddit as well in the last few years. Pretty cool. We can compare the results ;)
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Very difficult!
and it will get much harder!
This is a real time to pause and think what you like and don't like, in fact it's more preference than dislike I think..
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And I have a problem.
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And I have a problem.
I bet you can't choose??!!
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Yes. I always have a problem with polls :)
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Yes. I always have a problem with polls :)
Again you just have to think long and hard :hmm
This poll and the forthcoming MK Album/soundtrack Polls will be just as difficult...
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Exactly. This is probably not for me:)
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Exactly. This is probably not for me:)
Go on give it a go..... :wave
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ooooooh, On every street so far then......
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Exactly. This is probably not for me:)
It's just a gut reaction on the day, nobody is going to hold you to it :)
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Exactly. This is probably not for me:)
Go on give it a go..... :wave
:)
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Exactly. This is probably not for me:)
It's just a gut reaction on the day, nobody is going to hold you to it :)
I know, but I don't like to be indifferent :)
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My answer is Brothers İn Arms. İt's not like a DS album to me. Good songs, yes but it's too digital...
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My answer is Brothers İn Arms. İt's not like a DS album to me. Good songs, yes but it's too digital...
Fair enough - each to their own my friend.... :wave
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I voted Brothers in Arms first, but the actual trend in the answers shows that, On every Street will go down first, then Brothers will follow, then probably Communiqué, Making Movie, the show down will be between Dire Straits and Love over Gold. But I could be wrong.
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The easiest poll on the planet, because On Every Street should've been Mark's debut solo record and it feels like it. So I voted On Every Street.
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I voted Brothers in Arms first, but the actual trend in the answers shows that, On every Street will go down first, then Brothers will follow, then probably Communiqué, Making Movie, the show down will be between Dire Straits and Love over Gold. But I could be wrong.
Let's wait and see, people will have to vote different ways once their choice is eliminated.
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My answer is Brothers İn Arms. İt's not like a DS album to me. Good songs, yes but it's too digital...
Same here. Great songs for most of the record but it sounds too digital indeed. But we won't blame them : it was REALLY the sound of the 80s.
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My answer is Brothers İn Arms. İt's not like a DS album to me. Good songs, yes but it's too digital...
Same here. Great songs for most of the record but it sounds too digital indeed. But we won't blame them : it was REALLY the sound of the 80s.
I don't get what's the problem with digital. I'd understand if the whole album was so 80s like "One World", but the album is the opposite of the typical 80s... At least in the main tracks, there are real drums, no gated reverbs, and typical synths, and while it's digital, digital is only a recording method. No? Or you HEAR that it's digital? :think
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My answer is Brothers İn Arms. İt's not like a DS album to me. Good songs, yes but it's too digital...
Same here. Great songs for most of the record but it sounds too digital indeed. But we won't blame them : it was REALLY the sound of the 80s.
I don't get what's the problem with digital. I'd understand if the whole album was so 80s like "One World", but the album is the opposite of the typical 80s... At least in the main tracks, there are real drums, no gated reverbs, and typical synths, and while it's digital, digital is only a recording method. No? Or you HEAR that it's digital? :think
You're right, I wonder about that too :think Brothers In Arms, my beloved album (not the only one):) the first on CD
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Best selling album will be dropped by the fans as first? :P
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Brothers in Arms first ?
people didn't read or what ?
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Brothers in Arms first ?
people didn't read or what ?
It is the most commercial one, so it's not a surprise to me.
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But BIA - really?! Oh well, I reckon we might learn a thing or too during these polls!
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Brothers in Arms first ?
people didn't read or what ?
It is the most commercial one, so it's not a surprise to me.
I would like such commercial today.
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The basic principle is you don't vote your favourite because it's not your least favourite.
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My answer is Brothers İn Arms. İt's not like a DS album to me. Good songs, yes but it's too digital...
Same here. Great songs for most of the record but it sounds too digital indeed. But we won't blame them : it was REALLY the sound of the 80s.
I don't get what's the problem with digital. I'd understand if the whole album was so 80s like "One World", but the album is the opposite of the typical 80s... At least in the main tracks, there are real drums, no gated reverbs, and typical synths, and while it's digital, digital is only a recording method. No? Or you HEAR that it's digital? :think
Actually, yes, you notice the digital while listening. communique and brothers in arms can't sound the same. There is an indisputable difference of warmth and sincerity between them. I think there is a serious difference between an analog recording and a digital recording. Of course, some like the feel of analog recording, while others seek a smooth sound. It all comes down to a matter of personal taste again.
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My first thought was BIA, so I don't need to think twice.
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My answer is Brothers İn Arms. İt's not like a DS album to me. Good songs, yes but it's too digital...
Same here. Great songs for most of the record but it sounds too digital indeed. But we won't blame them : it was REALLY the sound of the 80s.
I don't get what's the problem with digital. I'd understand if the whole album was so 80s like "One World", but the album is the opposite of the typical 80s... At least in the main tracks, there are real drums, no gated reverbs, and typical synths, and while it's digital, digital is only a recording method. No? Or you HEAR that it's digital? :think
Actually, yes, you notice the digital while listening. communique and brothers in arms can't sound the same. There is an indisputable difference of warmth and sincerity between them. I think there is a serious difference between an analog recording and a digital recording. Of course, some like the feel of analog recording, while others seek a smooth sound. It all comes down to a matter of personal taste again.
Yes, especially with the early digital in the 80s. Nowadays you don’t hear it.
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Brothers in Arms first ?
people didn't read or what ?
It is the most commercial one, so it's not a surprise to me.
the most successful yes, but not the most commercial imho
OES was the most commercial because it was clearly a come back, and of course Mark and Ed knew it will be a success even before recording it.
BIA was not meant as a success at first. It became a success after the release.
it's a total different way of thinking in producing a record imho.
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Brothers in Arms first ?
people didn't read or what ?
It is the most commercial one, so it's not a surprise to me.
the most successful yes, but not the most commercial imho
OES was the most commercial because it was clearly a come back, and of course Mark and Ed knew it will be a success even before recording it.
BIA was not meant as a success at first. It became a success after the release.
it's a total different way of thinking in producing a record imho.
Good point. I always felt that OES deserves all the hate. I mean they didn't even try to hide the fact that they were basically trying to copy Brothers In Arms, to the point of when you can pair certain songs like Money For Nothing - Heavy Fuel, Iron Hand - The Man's Too Strong etc.
And the fact that it came out after the band's break-up. Makes no sense to me.
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I never made the Iron Hand/The Man's Too strong connection, I loved Iron Hand for it's almost medieval very British sound. However I always linked The Bug with Walk Of Life. He did the same later. Imelda was Money for Nothing and Cannibals was the Bug was Walk of Life. 😅
LE
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I never made the Iron Hand/The Man's Too strong connection, I loved Iron Hand for it's almost medieval very British sound. However I always linked The Bug with Walk Of Life. He did the same later. Imelda was Money for Nothing and Cannibals was the Bug was Walk of Life. 😅
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Ah, yes, absolutely. So maybe that's a clue for why Mark decided to change the manager? He always wanted to "commercialize" everything it seems.
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Probably yes. For him I guess Paul C. is perfect. For the fans from the Dire Straits times the change was very harsh. The cut from TRD onwards is very deep.
LE
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I honestly don't think that they didn't know that Brothers In Arms would become such a hit. I think they knew it really well. The songs are unbelievably strong, all riffs are catchy, almost no weak links in the whole album, recorded in the state-of-the-art fashion, in one of the best studios in the world, in the new domain and format, with cutting edge technology. So it was doomed to be successful in a way.
Once I looked up the 1986 Grammy award and realized that "No Jacket Required" won the album of the year back then. I mean, I respect Phil Collins and all, but this album is nowhere near Brothers In Arms, this was simply ridiculous and showed how pointless all these awards are.
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I never made the Iron Hand/The Man's Too strong connection, I loved Iron Hand for it's almost medieval very British sound. However I always linked The Bug with Walk Of Life. He did the same later. Imelda was Money for Nothing and Cannibals was the Bug was Walk of Life. 😅
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Ah, yes, absolutely. So maybe that's a clue for why Mark decided to change the manager? He always wanted to "commercialize" everything it seems.
I don't believe MK would have written, recorded and performed those "copy" songs just because Ed told him to.
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I never made the Iron Hand/The Man's Too strong connection, I loved Iron Hand for it's almost medieval very British sound. However I always linked The Bug with Walk Of Life. He did the same later. Imelda was Money for Nothing and Cannibals was the Bug was Walk of Life. 😅
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Ah, yes, absolutely. So maybe that's a clue for why Mark decided to change the manager? He always wanted to "commercialize" everything it seems.
I don't believe MK would have written, recorded and performed those "copy" songs just because Ed told him to.
Of course not! However, we all know Mark is such a repository of songs and surely they could pick the songs for the album and it just happens "by accident" that some of the songs remind older hits. And the manager certainly could have some control over that. All I know is that Ed would not make Privateering into this bluesy-folky 2 CDs mess that this album is. And probably his decisions weren't so bad after all.
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I never made the Iron Hand/The Man's Too strong connection, I loved Iron Hand for it's almost medieval very British sound. However I always linked The Bug with Walk Of Life. He did the same later. Imelda was Money for Nothing and Cannibals was the Bug was Walk of Life. 😅
LE
Ah, yes, absolutely. So maybe that's a clue for why Mark decided to change the manager? He always wanted to "commercialize" everything it seems.
I don't believe MK would have written, recorded and performed those "copy" songs just because Ed told him to.
Of course not! However, we all know Mark is such a repository of songs and surely they could pick the songs for the album and it just happens "by accident" that some of the songs remind older hits. And the manager certainly could have some control over that. All I know is that Ed would not make Privateering into this bluesy-folky 2 CDs mess that this album is. And probably his decisions weren't so bad after all.
Privateering a two CD 'Mess' - No, absolutley not - it's a 3x CD mess!!! :lol :lol
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BIA as the LEAST favorite ??. Somebody must have misread the poll. For sure ;)
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BIA gave us a stinker like Why Worry, so that for me was the reason to drop
but honestly, it was a very close call!
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BIA as the LEAST favorite ??. Somebody must have misread the poll. For sure ;)
I thought that initially, but the more I have read the comments I'm now fully sitting on the fence.
I totally get the 'digital' album argument. Of course BIA is an album full of classics, but aren't all six full of MK masterpieces??
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BIA gave us a stinker like Why Worry, so that for me was the reason to drop
but honestly, it was a very close call!
'Why Bother' - more like!!!!! :lol :lol
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It's clearly between BIA & OES!!!!
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My vote easily goes to Making movies. I hardly ever listen to it. The only thing I like about TOL now, is the middle part on the live version, which is not TOL..
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My answer is Brothers İn Arms. İt's not like a DS album to me. Good songs, yes but it's too digital...
Same here. Great songs for most of the record but it sounds too digital indeed. But we won't blame them : it was REALLY the sound of the 80s.
I don't get what's the problem with digital. I'd understand if the whole album was so 80s like "One World", but the album is the opposite of the typical 80s... At least in the main tracks, there are real drums, no gated reverbs, and typical synths, and while it's digital, digital is only a recording method. No? Or you HEAR that it's digital? :think
When I say "digital album", I imply that it really has the sound of the 80s, which was very "digital" or call it whatever you want but I'm sure you know what I mean, the drums sounding very "electronic" and those synths almost everywhere etc. It's not typical of the BIA record, it's typical of all the records of its time… including BIA. So for this reason, I still vote BIA, sorry guys.
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My vote easily goes to Making movies. I hardly ever listen to it. The only thing I like about TOL now, is the middle part on the live version, which is not TOL..
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TOL is my favourite song EVER ;) Taste differs ;D
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My vote easily goes to Making movies. I hardly ever listen to it. The only thing I like about TOL now, is the middle part on the live version, which is not TOL..
I feel like that about LOG. It just has an over-produced sound to it and in the case of TR, I only listen to live versions nowadays. I didn't vote for LOG in this round, though.
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I voted Brothers first because I genuinely thinks it is my least favourite.
Even with such powerful songs as Brothers and Man's too strong I feel it lacks unity or something I can't define and to be honest I've never liked the jacket:
For a rock band to put a guitar on its album cover is at the same time a commercial move and a cheesy one as it is, plus I think it reduces the music to the notion of guitar music only and I take Knopfler for a greater lyricist than guitar player and I have a feeling he would agree with that.
On every street's cover has a guitar (or 2) on it too you could argue but it's more subtle, I didn't realise it till years after I bought the disc.
Alchemy's features a guitar of sort but it's a true artistic rock cover plus it's live.
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I voted Brothers first because I genuinely thinks it is my least favourite.
Even with such powerful songs as Brothers and Man's too strong I feel it lacks unity or something I can't define and to be honest I've never liked the jacket:
For a rock band to put a guitar on its album cover is at the same time a commercial move and a cheesy one as it is, plus I think it reduces the music to the notion of guitar music only and I take Knopfler for a greater lyricist than guitar player and I have a feeling he would agree with that.
On every street's cover has a guitar (or 2) on it too you could argue but it's more subtle, I didn't realise it till years after I bought the disc.
Alchemy's features a guitar of sort but it's a true artistic rock cover plus it's live.
Great point. And, of course, we are discussing albums as a whole, like an album, so while Tunnel Of Love is a great song, it doesn't mean the album it's from is the best album of all time. Brothers In Arms really do feel like a compilation, and not because almost every song is a hit...
The covers, don't get me started. Album covers never were Mark's strong part, I'd say every one of them is OK, but not more. With the exception of The Ragpicker's Dream but that's a 1952 photo by a genius photographer (who's still alive!).
Brothers In Arms cover picture was taken almost by accident. No idea, no meaning, it's just a guitar and the sky. Wow.
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I voted Brothers first because I genuinely thinks it is my least favourite.
Even with such powerful songs as Brothers and Man's too strong I feel it lacks unity or something I can't define and to be honest I've never liked the jacket:
For a rock band to put a guitar on its album cover is at the same time a commercial move and a cheesy one as it is, plus I think it reduces the music to the notion of guitar music only and I take Knopfler for a greater lyricist than guitar player and I have a feeling he would agree with that.
On every street's cover has a guitar (or 2) on it too you could argue but it's more subtle, I didn't realise it till years after I bought the disc.
Alchemy's features a guitar of sort but it's a true artistic rock cover plus it's live.
Interesting observation with the guitar on the cover. We're talking more about Brothers In Arms, but it's also important on album on every street :thumbsup
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Back in 1985, the National Guitar was not so known to common people than it is today - in fact, most people know it because of this cover. Plus it's an acoustic guitar which was unusual for a rock band that Dire Straits was. I once read the guitar is flying into the sky like a rocket and it was a picture for the success of Dire Straits. So it obviously has a message or two. I loved the cover, it appeared magic to me, it was the first "real" album cover I put my interest on. The colours and the font is really great. I also loved the fact that no picture of any band member was seen, and the signature "MK" was also mysterious and appearing very cool to me. I started to know Dire Straits from May 1985 on and it was already clear that Mark Knopfler obviously was the boss only because of this MK.
I must have stared hours to this cover as I did to all other Dire Straits covers also. I loved the contrasts between them. Every one was unique and you knew it was Dire Straits at the same time which is cleverly done. The art department of Dire Straits was excellent. You could take all album covers and put them on the wall. Especially the first four ones. It ended in 1993 with an ugly On The Night cover and indeed got worse from then on.
LE
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:thumbsup
I agree. The cover Brothers In Arms is fantastic, but I also like the covers Mark Knopfler solo.
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My vote easily goes to Making movies. I hardly ever listen to it. The only thing I like about TOL now, is the middle part on the live version, which is not TOL..
+1!
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:thumbsup
I agree. The cover Brothers In Arms is fantastic, but I also like the covers Mark Knopfler solo.
It is very nice and it is somewhat recognized by non DS/knopfler fans as a classic record of the 80s!
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Exactly. This guitar is a symbol. Also the 80s. Important for Mark Knopfler. Certainly this photo is not accidental
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Wonder if there is actually a tale to tell about the BIA cover?
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Wonder if there is actually a tale to tell about the BIA cover?
I think even Guy recalled this story on his forum. Nothing particularly amazing, they were hanging out around a pool in Montserrat while recording the album, and somebody, not even Mark, held this guitar in the sky and thought that it looks cool. They took the photo and the rest is history... I mean, there's zero meaning involved.
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My answer is Brothers İn Arms. İt's not like a DS album to me. Good songs, yes but it's too digital...
Same here. Great songs for most of the record but it sounds too digital indeed. But we won't blame them : it was REALLY the sound of the 80s.
I don't get what's the problem with digital. I'd understand if the whole album was so 80s like "One World", but the album is the opposite of the typical 80s... At least in the main tracks, there are real drums, no gated reverbs, and typical synths, and while it's digital, digital is only a recording method. No? Or you HEAR that it's digital? :think
When I say "digital album", I imply that it really has the sound of the 80s, which was very "digital" or call it whatever you want but I'm sure you know what I mean, the drums sounding very "electronic" and those synths almost everywhere etc. It's not typical of the BIA record, it's typical of all the records of its time… including BIA. So for this reason, I still vote BIA, sorry guys.
Same reason why I picked BIA. I never liked the synthetic sound of the 80's. But I'm still fascinated by the cover of this beautiful guitar that flies in the sky. There is something magical about it.
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https://youtu.be/tjRrISX33hY
;D
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Wonder if there is actually a tale to tell about the BIA cover?
I think even Guy recalled this story on his forum. Nothing particularly amazing, they were hanging out around a pool in Montserrat while recording the album, and somebody, not even Mark, held this guitar in the sky and thought that it looks cool. They took the photo and the rest is history... I mean, there's zero meaning involved.
Maybe no meaning but it's an iconic album cover for sure!!
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Wonder if there is actually a tale to tell about the BIA cover?
I think even Guy recalled this story on his forum. Nothing particularly amazing, they were hanging out around a pool in Montserrat while recording the album, and somebody, not even Mark, held this guitar in the sky and thought that it looks cool. They took the photo and the rest is history... I mean, there's zero meaning involved.
Maybe no meaning but it's an iconic album cover for sure!!
It's true.
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The Brothers In Arms album cover is a classic, for me, it's about making the cover memorable and recognizable, and that is certainly the case here, as much as the covers for Tubular Bells and The Darkside of The Moon. How it came about is not that important in the long run, often strange things that are not planned work out better anyway, the cover of Atom Heart Mother for example, they didn't ask the cow to pose, it was just luck. However, the Making Movies cover has to be the most bland cover ever, but.... it is recognizable!!!
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The Brothers In Arms album cover is a classic, for me, it's about making the cover memorable and recognizable, and that is certainly the case here, as much as the covers for Tubular Bells and The Darkside of The Moon. How it came about is not that important in the long run, often strange things that are not planned work out better anyway, the cover of Atom Heart Mother for example, they didn't ask the cow to pose, it was just luck. However, the Making Movies cover has to be the most bland cover ever, but.... it is recognizable!!!
Making movies just doesn't cut it at all for me thus that was my first to be binned. Cover is bland and I guess the tracks are too. It just never did it for me...
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The Brothers In Arms album cover is a classic, for me, it's about making the cover memorable and recognizable, and that is certainly the case here, as much as the covers for Tubular Bells and The Darkside of The Moon. How it came about is not that important in the long run, often strange things that are not planned work out better anyway, the cover of Atom Heart Mother for example, they didn't ask the cow to pose, it was just luck. However, the Making Movies cover has to be the most bland cover ever, but.... it is recognizable!!!
Making movies just doesn't cut it at all for me thus that was my first to be binned. Cover is bland and I guess the tracks are too. It just never did it for me...
After learning that Mark custom-ordered his Schecter guitars with Making Movies colors it seems pretty clear to me, that the cover is just an homage to Mark's favorite guitar colors. But that always has been a problem with abstract art for me, when the story is more interesting than the piece itself. You'll find it everywhere in art, avant-garde and stuff like this, the backstory is always more interesting than the piece itself. Like Andy Warhol's movie "Empire", like the Black Square, White Album, etc..Thankfully, Mark is not an abstract artist and had songs on the album too :lol
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The Brothers In Arms album cover is a classic, for me, it's about making the cover memorable and recognizable, and that is certainly the case here, as much as the covers for Tubular Bells and The Darkside of The Moon. How it came about is not that important in the long run, often strange things that are not planned work out better anyway, the cover of Atom Heart Mother for example, they didn't ask the cow to pose, it was just luck. However, the Making Movies cover has to be the most bland cover ever, but.... it is recognizable!!!
Making movies just doesn't cut it at all for me thus that was my first to be binned. Cover is bland and I guess the tracks are too. It just never did it for me...
After learning that Mark custom-ordered his Schecter guitars with Making Movies colors it seems pretty clear to me, that the cover is just an homage to Mark's favorite guitar colors. But that always has been a problem with abstract art for me, when the story is more interesting than the piece itself. You'll find it everywhere in art, avant-garde and stuff like this, the backstory is always more interesting than the piece itself. Like Andy Warhol's movie "Empire", like the Black Square, White Album, etc..Thankfully, Mark is not an abstract artist and had songs on the album too :lol
Interesting info with regards the colours but it's still very bland to me!!!
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I'm confused- I just voted for OES as my least favourite album based on the tracks, but a lot of the discussion is about the abum covers.
:hmm
BIA is IMO the most iconic DS album cover & Making Movies the least interesting, but that doesn't affect what I think of the songs on those albums.
Both albums contain some of my favorite tracks.
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I'm confused- I just voted for OES as my least favourite album based on the tracks, but a lot of the discussion is about the abum covers.
:hmm
BIA is IMO the most iconic DS album cover & Making Movies the least interesting, but that doesn't affect what I think of the songs on those albums.
Both albums contain some of my favorite tracks.
All discussion is welcome here. :)
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I'm confused- I just voted for OES as my least favourite album based on the tracks, but a lot of the discussion is about the abum covers.
:hmm
BIA is IMO the most iconic DS album cover & Making Movies the least interesting, but that doesn't affect what I think of the songs on those albums.
Both albums contain some of my favorite tracks.
All discussion is welcome here. :)
The album has a lot of parts to it. It has the cover, it has a name (usually named after the title track, a pretty lazy tradition if you ask me), it has songs. And there's also a back cover, packaging, songs order, recording method, arrangements. So a lot of things to discuss in the album! The cover picture just seems to be the easiest to discuss because it's so prominent. I must say it's much harder to find a good cover picture than a good song.
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Wonder if there is actually a tale to tell about the BIA cover?
from Guy :
The photo was taken by Deborah Feingold. She was asked someone to hold the guitar by the head while she took a picture of it.
The people in the studio were a bit circumspect. And then a few days later when she presented the pictorial composition with the sky in the background, everyone found it magnificent.
also :
the back cover is painting effects by Thomas Steyer,
I put this info in my chronicle of the album :
https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/la-guitare-national-steel-de-mark-knopfler/#Rendue_celebre_par_la_pochette_de_Brothers_in_arms
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For me it was between Communique and Making Movies. I rarely listen to Communique, but I got to say that songs like Single Handed Sailor, Where Do You Think You're Going, News, are legendary. I've never really enjoyed Making Movies too much, with the exception of the first two songs, of course.
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Wonder if there is actually a tale to tell about the BIA cover?
from Guy :
The photo was taken by Deborah Feingold. She was asked someone to hold the guitar by the head while she took a picture of it.
The people in the studio were a bit circumspect. And then a few days later when she presented the pictorial composition with the sky in the background, everyone found it magnificent.
also :
the back cover is painting effects by Thomas Steyer,
I put this info in my chronicle of the album :
https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/la-guitare-national-steel-de-mark-knopfler/#Rendue_celebre_par_la_pochette_de_Brothers_in_arms
So basically, they knew the album will be hit so any cover will do. They might put a black square like Kanye West with his "Donda" and it will become iconic anyway. So this girl took the chance and made history, kudos to her. I honestly can't come up with a cover that would suit the album anyway, maybe the one from Money For Nothing compilation would work fine. Probably it was one of the variants for the Brothers In Arms album cover. Or maybe something hand-drawn like from the Brothers In Arms music video.
The funniest thing to me is that you can barely hear this National guitar on the record.
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I voted Communiqué. Difficult choice but in the end I feel it's too much of a follow-up to the debut but without the raw sound of the band that was perfectly captured on that record. It just sounds too smooth and polished. There's also a few tracks that I'm not keen on like Angel, Follow and the title track. Lady Writer is just too obvious a follow-up to Sultans as well.
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I voted Communiqué. Difficult choice but in the end I feel it's too much of a follow-up to the debut but without the raw sound of the band that was perfectly captured on that record. It just sounds too smooth and polished. There's also a few tracks that I'm not keen on like Angel, Follow and the title track. Lady Writer is just too obvious a follow-up to Sultans as well.
Same with me, for pretty much the same reasons :)
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It was a toss up for me between BIA, OES and LOG, so I chose OES. I'm not saying which one I want to win - I'm keeping my cards close to my chest! :)
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Funny, i think communique is the best DS album.
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OES pulling away but still a long way to go...
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Funny, i think communique is the best DS album.
You'll just have to wait 6 weeks to see if we all agree!!! ;) although I have to admit Communique is very good!!
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Wonder if there is actually a tale to tell about the BIA cover?
from Guy :
The photo was taken by Deborah Feingold. She was asked someone to hold the guitar by the head while she took a picture of it.
The people in the studio were a bit circumspect. And then a few days later when she presented the pictorial composition with the sky in the background, everyone found it magnificent.
also :
the back cover is painting effects by Thomas Steyer,
I put this info in my chronicle of the album :
https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/la-guitare-national-steel-de-mark-knopfler/#Rendue_celebre_par_la_pochette_de_Brothers_in_arms
Thanks JF - much appreciated by all!
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OES pulling away but still a long way to go...
And now Communique is taking off!!
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I'm confused- I just voted for OES as my least favourite album based on the tracks, but a lot of the discussion is about the abum covers.
:hmm
BIA is IMO the most iconic DS album cover & Making Movies the least interesting, but that doesn't affect what I think of the songs on those albums.
Both albums contain some of my favorite tracks.
I guess the album discussion is the 'whole' package - cover, presentation and tracks....
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For me it was between Communique and Making Movies. I rarely listen to Communique, but I got to say that songs like Single Handed Sailor, Where Do You Think You're Going, News, are legendary. I've never really enjoyed Making Movies too much, with the exception of the first two songs, of course.
Making Movies for me had to go!!
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I'm confused- I just voted for OES as my least favourite album based on the tracks, but a lot of the discussion is about the abum covers.
:hmm
BIA is IMO the most iconic DS album cover & Making Movies the least interesting, but that doesn't affect what I think of the songs on those albums.
Both albums contain some of my favorite tracks.
I guess the album discussion is the 'whole' package - cover, presentation and tracks....
Of course!
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Wonder if there is actually a tale to tell about the BIA cover?
from Guy :
The photo was taken by Deborah Feingold. She was asked someone to hold the guitar by the head while she took a picture of it.
The people in the studio were a bit circumspect. And then a few days later when she presented the pictorial composition with the sky in the background, everyone found it magnificent.
also :
the back cover is painting effects by Thomas Steyer,
I put this info in my chronicle of the album :
https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/la-guitare-national-steel-de-mark-knopfler/#Rendue_celebre_par_la_pochette_de_Brothers_in_arms
Thanks JF - much appreciated by all!
:thumbsup
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Funny, i think communique is the best DS album.
You are not alone. I feel the same. Communique is my favourite DS album!
It has it all, the classic laid-back DS sound, excellent songs, great playing and singing, good production, all over an amazing album. Not to forget the fantastic cover work.
For me Communique is a worthy follower to their debut album. Why this record is so underrated is a mystery to me. :think
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Funny, i think communique is the best DS album.
You are not alone. I feel the same. Communique is my favourite DS album!
It has it all, the classic laid-back DS sound, excellent songs, great playing and singing, good production, all over an amazing album. Not to forget the fantastic cover work.
For me Communique is a worthy follower to their debut album. Why this record is so underrated is a mystery to me. :think
Communique is by far my fave DS album too....
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OES pulling away but still a long way to go...
And Communique is all of a sudden not far behind?!
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I voted Communiqué. Difficult choice but in the end I feel it's too much of a follow-up to the debut but without the raw sound of the band that was perfectly captured on that record. It just sounds too smooth and polished. There's also a few tracks that I'm not keen on like Angel, Follow and the title track. Lady Writer is just too obvious a follow-up to Sultans as well.
Ooooh fair enough dmg....Communique as an album is in fact one of my faves....
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My vote goes to On Every Street, of all the DS albums this is by some way the one I play the least - it is the one I am most unlikely to listen to as a full album, and the one with the fewest tracks I'd go out of my to play individually. While the album has some great moments (I love the title track, especially the outro riff), as a whole I find it their most uneven work. Also, there are tracks that feel like inferior versions of the hits from Brothers In Arms, which lack the qualities that made the original songs so widely appealing, the two most obvious examples being The Bug (revisiting Walk Of Life) and Heavy Fuel (revisiting Money For Nothing). In the former case, although Walk Of Life is not one of my favourite DS tracks, I remember hearing it on the radio at work one time and noticing that other people started humming along to it. It has a 'catchy radio pop song' quality which reaches people who otherwise might not be into DS, which I don't think The Bug succeeds at. Likewise, nothing in Heavy Fuel can match the immediately attention-grabbing Money For Nothing riff which appeals to less blues-oriented guitar fans.
I agree that OES doesn't quite fit with the other DS albums, but is also quite different from MK's solo albums with the possible exception of Sailing To Philadelphia. I also sometimes wonder if a track like How Long (which I do like) might have fitted better on Golden Heart, I like the song but it feels really odd as the final DS track. The title track from Brothers In Arms feels like a more natural conclusion to their studio discography.
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I vote for a successor over predecessor every time.
Now you all know my vote outcome.
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Clever. One wins :) I admire everyone. I can not.
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Couldn't agree more!
Funny, i think communique is the best DS album.
You are not alone. I feel the same. Communique is my favourite DS album!
It has it all, the classic laid-back DS sound, excellent songs, great playing and singing, good production, all over an amazing album. Not to forget the fantastic cover work.
For me Communique is a worthy follower to their debut album. Why this record is so underrated is a mystery to me. :think
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Couldn't agree more!
Funny, i think communique is the best DS album.
You are not alone. I feel the same. Communique is my favourite DS album!
It has it all, the classic laid-back DS sound, excellent songs, great playing and singing, good production, all over an amazing album. Not to forget the fantastic cover work.
For me Communique is a worthy follower to their debut album. Why this record is so underrated is a mystery to me. :think
:thumbsup
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Communique is my favourite DS album too.
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Communique is my favourite album too.
Ah, I did wonder what your fave was Superval....Seems a lot of us are on the same wavelength!!! Communique isjust awesome - a 'something for everyone' album..
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Communique has been underrated for too long, but I think its qualities are being realised much more these days.
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Communique has been underrated for too long, but I think its qualities are being realised much more these days.
Yes I agree. If I want to listen to a DS album its 99% of the time I choose Communique...
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My vote goes to On Every Street, of all the DS albums this is by some way the one I play the least - it is the one I am most unlikely to listen to as a full album, and the one with the fewest tracks I'd go out of my to play individually. While the album has some great moments (I love the title track, especially the outro riff), as a whole I find it their most uneven work. Also, there are tracks that feel like inferior versions of the hits from Brothers In Arms, which lack the qualities that made the original songs so widely appealing, the two most obvious examples being The Bug (revisiting Walk Of Life) and Heavy Fuel (revisiting Money For Nothing). In the former case, although Walk Of Life is not one of my favourite DS tracks, I remember hearing it on the radio at work one time and noticing that other people started humming along to it. It has a 'catchy radio pop song' quality which reaches people who otherwise might not be into DS, which I don't think The Bug succeeds at. Likewise, nothing in Heavy Fuel can match the immediately attention-grabbing Money For Nothing riff which appeals to less blues-oriented guitar fans.
I agree that OES doesn't quite fit with the other DS albums, but is also quite different from MK's solo albums with the possible exception of Sailing To Philadelphia. I also sometimes wonder if a track like How Long (which I do like) might have fitted better on Golden Heart, I like the song but it feels really odd as the final DS track. The title track from Brothers In Arms feels like a more natural conclusion to their studio discography.
+1000 :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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The funniest thing to me is that you can barely hear this National guitar on the record.
to me the funniest thing is that a typical eighties record has on its sleeve a very old guitar, iconic instrument from the deep south blues in the 30's !
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The funniest thing to me is that you can barely hear this National guitar on the record.
to me the funniest thing is that a typical eighties record has on its sleeve a very old guitar, iconic instrument from the deep south blues in the 30's !
And one of the most famous lines from one of the most iconic 80s albums also references a National guitar...
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Nooo...I love OES and listen to it maybe more than any other, but it's all about opinions! lol
An interesting thing is that I recall reading once that as a species we tend to want to dislike the popular things. One reason being that it makes us feel as though we belong to a select group. I forget the other reasons. It maybe shows why BIA and OES are leading the way. Who knows.
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The funniest thing to me is that you can barely hear this National guitar on the record.
to me the funniest thing is that a typical eighties record has on its sleeve a very old guitar, iconic instrument from the deep south blues in the 30's !
And one of the most famous lines from one of the most iconic 80s albums also references a National guitar...
Good catch! It makes me think that Graceland's album cover would make more sense with the Brothers In Arms cover and vice versa. When I was a kid, I thought Graceland is some country or something mysterious like that, also with that mysterious cover. I'd never thought that's just a mansion of a famous musician.
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And one of the most famous lines from one of the most iconic 80s albums also references a National guitar...
aarghh I am still searching and can't catch it ! ;D :disbelief
help me pleeaaasse ;D
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And one of the most famous lines from one of the most iconic 80s albums also references a National guitar...
aarghh I am still searching and can't catch it ! ;D :disbelief
help me pleeaaasse ;D
Paul Simon Graceland
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I am not able to eliminate any album. Too many great memories with each of them. Does that make me a bad person?
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I am not able to eliminate any album. Too many great memories with each of them. Does that make me a bad person?
Not one bit Tomcaster, it is after all a 'bit of fun' - I admit as the poll goes on I think we will all find it incredibly tough to eliminate albums....
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I am not able to eliminate any album. Too many great memories with each of them. Does that make me a bad person?
No, I can't really say I have a least favourite album, as each one has a lot of good songs, but for the sake of the poll I did choose one.
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If someone wants to create the poll for the next round go ahead, I won't have time today.
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If someone wants to create the poll for the next round go ahead, I won't have time today.
Ok, Ill sort Dusty :wave......
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Sorry to see that the On every street album is out first.
Let's see which one is next.
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Sorry to see that the On every street album is out first.
Let's see which one is next.
Me too; I listen to that one probably more than the others.
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Sorry to see that the On every street album is out first.
Let's see which one is next.
Me too; I listen to that one probably more than the others.
Good job we are all different. It is after all just a small Poll nothing too serious....
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Poll is too controversial for me. I delete albums that I don't like. Oh no ! :)