A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: PensaGhost on November 03, 2021, 09:04:10 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSNQ632s0Lo
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He's busy AND he has moved on since '92. Would be great if these guys wouldn't be stuck in the past and prey on his legacy.
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Interesting answer of alan
"He [mark] was in touch with me recently and wish me luck with my piano solo album, so that's very nice!"
At approx. 7:40
That‘s astonishing. :o
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Interesting answer of alan
"He [mark] was in touch with me recently and wish me luck with my piano solo album, so that's very nice!"
At approx. 7:40
That‘s astonishing. :o
Wouldn't surprise me if that was a lie.
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I don't think they are enemies, Mark certainly could get in touch and wish him luck, it's a generous and gentlemanly thing to do.
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I don't think they are enemies, Mark certainly could get in touch and wish him luck, it's a generous and gentlemanly thing to do.
Exactly, quizzaciously who are we to say what is going on 'behind the scenes'?
Of course they'd love a reunion as I expect their bank balances need topping up!!
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Interesting answer of alan
"He [mark] was in touch with me recently and wish me luck with my piano solo album, so that's very nice!"
At approx. 7:40
That‘s astonishing. :o
Wouldn't surprise me if that was a lie.
That was also my first thought ;)
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I notice that the latest poster says: "DSL Dire Straits Legacy - The Closest You're Going To Get". I would have thought that Mark's present band is the closest we're going to get with Mark, Guy and Danny from DS. DSL have only Alan and Phil and the singer is Italian!
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I would say that it's not that Mark is busy, more that Mark is not interested in it, and I can't see a reason why he would be either.
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I notice that the latest poster says: "DSL Dire Straits Legacy - The Closest You're Going To Get". I would have thought that Mark's present band is the closest we're going to get with Mark, Guy and Danny from DS. DSL have only Alan and Phil and the singer is Italian!
I like that Alan basically admits in this interview that DS = MK because he's a producer, he's a composer, and a lead singer, and a lead guitar player. He controls everything, so his current band is just evolved Dire Straits, and early DS stuff was early MK solo. I said it too many times, but I think Mark's current band is more of a "band" than DS ever was. So there are no logical reasons to resurrect Dire Straits because it's going to be revolved around MK anyway.
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I would say that it's not that Mark is busy, more that Mark is not interested in it, and I can't see a reason why he would be either.
He would not gain anything from it except for money, and I think he understands that as well. He knows that if he does anything with the DS brand, that's only for money, hence he says "charity only". Meaning he doesn't want to be associated with money-hungry folks in any way.
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I notice that the latest poster says: "DSL Dire Straits Legacy - The Closest You're Going To Get". I would have thought that Mark's present band is the closest we're going to get with Mark, Guy and Danny from DS. DSL have only Alan and Phil and the singer is Italian!
Mark playing DS music right up and including the last tour was the closest your going to get!
Alan stated that MK didn't play any DS music?? huh?? - he obviously doesn't listen to any of the MK shows then!!
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I notice that the latest poster says: "DSL Dire Straits Legacy - The Closest You're Going To Get". I would have thought that Mark's present band is the closest we're going to get with Mark, Guy and Danny from DS. DSL have only Alan and Phil and the singer is Italian!
Mark playing DS music right up and including the last tour was the closest your going to get!
Alan stated that MK didn't play any DS music?? huh?? - he obviously doesn't listen to any of the MK shows then!!
I have understood that it was related to TR and PI.
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I would say that it's not that Mark is busy, more that Mark is not interested in it, and I can't see a reason why he would be either.
He would not gain anything from it except for money, and I think he understands that as well. He knows that if he does anything with the DS brand, that's only for money, hence he says "charity only". Meaning he doesn't want to be associated with money-hungry folks in any way.
And he doesn't need the money, he makes enough money while he sleeps.
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'On the road again in cabaret
Grey hair and Fenders'
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Good interview. I thought they both came across really well. Thanks for posting.
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I notice that the latest poster says: "DSL Dire Straits Legacy - The Closest You're Going To Get". I would have thought that Mark's present band is the closest we're going to get with Mark, Guy and Danny from DS. DSL have only Alan and Phil and the singer is Italian!
Mark playing DS music right up and including the last tour was the closest your going to get!
Alan stated that MK didn't play any DS music?? huh?? - he obviously doesn't listen to any of the MK shows then!!
When they say that, I always think in the songs MK doesn't play, like Private, Tunnel, Two young lovers etc etc
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I would love to hear him play Private Investigations again.
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I would love to hear him play Private Investigations again.
I think that one would be easy for him.
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I would love to hear him play Private Investigations again.
'92 version? A disaster.
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I would love to hear him play Private Investigations again.
I think that one would be easy for him.
Like ToL it's a rock song and his band are "The Dullards." These songs just aren't for them, hence they've never been performed during his solo career imho.
I too would have loved to hear it again but I think that time has passed us by...
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I would love to hear him play Private Investigations again.
I think that one would be easy for him.
Like ToL it's a rock song and his band are "The Dullards." These songs just aren't for them, hence they've never been performed during his solo career imho.
I too would have loved to hear it again but I think that time has passed us by...
I think that it's insulting calling such a wonderful band "The Dullards" - I'm sure that if they can play other intricate songs such as TR that they could play TOL or PI! I still think it's MK that doesn't want to play them.
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I would love to hear him play Private Investigations again.
I think that one would be easy for him.
Like ToL it's a rock song and his band are "The Dullards." These songs just aren't for them, hence they've never been performed during his solo career imho.
I too would have loved to hear it again but I think that time has passed us by...
I think that it's insulting calling such a wonderful band "The Dullards" - I'm sure that if they can play other intricate songs such as TR that they could play TOL or PI! I still think it's MK that doesn't want to play them.
Just to clarify - to those who are unaware - those are Ed Bicknell's words and I personally get where he is coming from and don't think they're an insult whatsoever. In '96 Mark chose Nashville musicians for his band and got the country sound he was after. They weren't DS in any incarnation and the songs had a different sound. I think The Dullards is a really funny term as that's a bit of an exaggeration of how they perform DS rockier songs and it also gives an insight into Ed's opinion and rather blunt SOH.
I think MK would have struggled with the rather energetic vocal delivery of ToL also.
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I would love to hear him play Private Investigations again.
I think that one would be easy for him.
Like ToL it's a rock song and his band are "The Dullards." These songs just aren't for them, hence they've never been performed during his solo career imho.
I too would have loved to hear it again but I think that time has passed us by...
I think that it's insulting calling such a wonderful band "The Dullards" - I'm sure that if they can play other intricate songs such as TR that they could play TOL or PI! I still think it's MK that doesn't want to play them.
Just to clarify - to those who are unaware - those are Ed Bicknell's words and I personally get where he is coming from and don't think they're an insult whatsoever. In '96 Mark chose Nashville musicians for his band and got the country sound he was after. They weren't DS in any incarnation and the songs had a different sound. I think The Dullards is a really funny term as that's a bit of an exaggeration of how they perform DS rockier songs and it also gives an insight into Ed's opinion and rather blunt SOH.
I think MK would have struggled with the rather energetic vocal delivery of ToL also.
I am well aware that it was Ed Bicknell who first called the band "The Dullards" but that doesn't make it OK, at least not to me and I don't find it a bit funny. What's the matter with the way the band play the rockier songs anyway? ???
Definition of dullard - slow or stupid person
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I would love to hear him play Private Investigations again.
I think that one would be easy for him.
Like ToL it's a rock song and his band are "The Dullards." These songs just aren't for them, hence they've never been performed during his solo career imho.
I too would have loved to hear it again but I think that time has passed us by...
I think that it's insulting calling such a wonderful band "The Dullards" - I'm sure that if they can play other intricate songs such as TR that they could play TOL or PI! I still think it's MK that doesn't want to play them.
Just to clarify - to those who are unaware - those are Ed Bicknell's words and I personally get where he is coming from and don't think they're an insult whatsoever. In '96 Mark chose Nashville musicians for his band and got the country sound he was after. They weren't DS in any incarnation and the songs had a different sound. I think The Dullards is a really funny term as that's a bit of an exaggeration of how they perform DS rockier songs and it also gives an insight into Ed's opinion and rather blunt SOH.
I think MK would have struggled with the rather energetic vocal delivery of ToL also.
I am well aware that it was Ed Bicknell who first called the band "The Dullards" but that doesn't make it OK, at least not to me and I don't find it a bit funny. What's the matter with the way the band play the rockier songs anyway? ???
Definition of dullard - slow or stupid person
oh, I think I am a dullard
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Ed is clearly a bitter man.
MK's solo band are the cream of session musicians and rocked as hard as any DS lineup when given the opportunity, plenty of rocking tunes in 96, Pyroman, Cleaning My Gun etc.
It's not the musicians that are the issue, it's the music. MK went away from rock with his solo output. Even before then, is OES a rock album, with pedal steel all over it?!
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Good interview. I thought they both came across really well. Thanks for posting.
They both looked like a couple of hobos!
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"the dullards" would play any DS song exactly like the best incarnation of DS, or even better, nowadays.
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Good interview. I thought they both came across really well. Thanks for posting.
They both looked like a couple of hobos!
To be honest, it took me more than a half of the interview to recognize Phil Palmer here, he looks so different now. And he always speaks as it's kinda difficult for him?
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Good interview. I thought they both came across really well. Thanks for posting.
They both looked like a couple of hobos!
To be honest, it took me more than a half of the interview to recognize Phil Palmer here, he looks so different now. And he always speaks as it's kinda difficult for him?
LOL
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"the dullards" would play any DS song exactly like the best incarnation of DS, or even better, nowadays.
It'd be interesting to hear them play some of the country stuff on the OES album such as When it Comes to You; that's right down their every street!
The other stuff...no. They sound like they'd rather be at home sipping their Horlicks than banging out MFN or Sultans.
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"the dullards" would play any DS song exactly like the best incarnation of DS, or even better, nowadays.
It'd be interesting to hear them play some of the country stuff on the OES album such as When it Comes to You; that's right down their every street!
The other stuff...no. They sound like they'd rather be at home sipping their Horlicks than banging out MFN or Sultans.
I honestly think that Mark's band is total overkill for his music. He could hire musicians 20 times less successful and professional and still, would end up with a great show because most of it revolves around him anyway. I understand he has this exact band simply because most (or even all) of musicians are multi-instrumentalists. Richard plays on a lot of stringed instruments including lap steel, Glenn plays upright and regular bass, John plays guitar, cittern, and violin, and so on. Even Guy multitasks! I think that's too much multi-tasking going on in Mark's band too.
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"the dullards" would play any DS song exactly like the best incarnation of DS, or even better, nowadays.
It'd be interesting to hear them play some of the country stuff on the OES album such as When it Comes to You; that's right down their every street!
The other stuff...no. They sound like they'd rather be at home sipping their Horlicks than banging out MFN or Sultans.
I honestly think that Mark's band is total overkill for his music. He could hire musicians 20 times less successful and professional and still, would end up with a great show because most of it revolves around him anyway. I understand he has this exact band simply because most (or even all) of musicians are multi-instrumentalists. Richard plays on a lot of stringed instruments including lap steel, Glenn plays upright and regular bass, John plays guitar, cittern, and violin, and so on. Even Guy multitasks! I think that's too much multi-tasking going on in Mark's band too.
And they still have to sample MK on Corned Beef City…
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"the dullards" would play any DS song exactly like the best incarnation of DS, or even better, nowadays.
It'd be interesting to hear them play some of the country stuff on the OES album such as When it Comes to You; that's right down their every street!
The other stuff...no. They sound like they'd rather be at home sipping their Horlicks than banging out MFN or Sultans.
I honestly think that Mark's band is total overkill for his music. He could hire musicians 20 times less successful and professional and still, would end up with a great show because most of it revolves around him anyway. I understand he has this exact band simply because most (or even all) of musicians are multi-instrumentalists. Richard plays on a lot of stringed instruments including lap steel, Glenn plays upright and regular bass, John plays guitar, cittern, and violin, and so on. Even Guy multitasks! I think that's too much multi-tasking going on in Mark's band too.
And they still have to sample MK on Corned Beef City…
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Haha Haha!!!
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Thought it was a good interview
Alan very respectful to MK in this conversation. Alan's influence on the live versions is very clear when you listen to his solo album, R and J being a case in point.
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Thought it was a good interview
Alan very respectful to MK in this conversation. Alan's influence on the live versions is very clear when you listen to his solo album, R and J being a case in point.
They seem to calm down and behave well, it wasn't the case some time ago, maybe Mark's lawsuits and hall of fame had to do something with it, I don't know. But you literally can't compare Alan of now and at the peak of the Legacy craze. I tend to look at this situation like this:
Yes, Alan obviously had a tremendous amount of input on Mark's music, arranging and composing some of the most remarkable songs, Romeo & Juliet, Telegraph Road, just wow! But I don't think he had the right to say some things he said like Mark was not a big part of Dire Straits or some total BS like this.
I think Dire Straits = MK, and hence without him, Alan won't be able to do all these things and arrangements in the first place. Mark brought Alan to work with Bob Dylan, so Mark basically made his whole career, and instead of biting his feeding hand, I would behave differently and try to get on with it.
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I didn‘t know that Mark had a lawsuit against Alan. What was the reason?
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I didn‘t know that Mark had a lawsuit against Alan. What was the reason?
Well, not strictly against Alan personally, it was discussed here: https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=7851.0 (https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=7851.0)
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I didn‘t know that Mark had a lawsuit against Alan. What was the reason?
And it wasn't MK, but the team of lawyers that represent the trademark Dire Straits.
They send a request to ALL Dire Straits tribute bands to not use the band name when playing their concerts in order to avoid confussion.
All the Spanish tribute bands got that communication from the lawyers, also the DS Legacy band.
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Thought it was a good interview
Alan very respectful to MK in this conversation. Alan's influence on the live versions is very clear when you listen to his solo album, R and J being a case in point.
I listened to his album yesterday and thought the same. He is one musician who seems to know the right note for the right time, just like Mark. They complimented each other beautifully and it's a great loss they're no longer making music together. Guy seems a nice chap but I'm not sure what he brings to the table musically.
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Thought it was a good interview
Alan very respectful to MK in this conversation. Alan's influence on the live versions is very clear when you listen to his solo album, R and J being a case in point.
I listened to his album yesterday and thought the same. He is one musician who seems to know the right note for the right time, just like Mark. They complimented each other beautifully and it's a great loss they're no longer making music together. Guy seems a nice chap but I'm not sure what he brings to the table musically.
+1000 :thumbsup
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Thought it was a good interview
Alan very respectful to MK in this conversation. Alan's influence on the live versions is very clear when you listen to his solo album, R and J being a case in point.
I listened to his album yesterday and thought the same. He is one musician who seems to know the right note for the right time, just like Mark. They complimented each other beautifully and it's a great loss they're no longer making music together. Guy seems a nice chap but I'm not sure what he brings to the table musically.
I have listened to Alan's album twice now and agree that he is a very accomplished pianist, but apart from R&J, which was really beautiful, there were some that I struggled to recognise eg "I and I", "Your Latest Trick", "Private Dancer" and eventually everything seemed to merge into one and began sounding the same, in the same style. It was a very soporific experience to say the least!
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David, pm him, I can assure you that chat with him is an experience itself! I have some pictures with him that every time I see I start laughing remembering that moments!
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Thought it was a good interview
Alan very respectful to MK in this conversation. Alan's influence on the live versions is very clear when you listen to his solo album, R and J being a case in point.
I listened to his album yesterday and thought the same. He is one musician who seems to know the right note for the right time, just like Mark. They complimented each other beautifully and it's a great loss they're no longer making music together. Guy seems a nice chap but I'm not sure what he brings to the table musically.
I have listened to Alan's album twice now and agree that he is a very accomplished pianist, but apart from R&J, which was really beautiful, there were some that I struggled to recognise eg "I and I", "Your Latest Trick", "Private Dancer" and eventually everything seemed to merge into one and began sounding the same, in the same style. It was a very soporific experience to say the least!
Only piano music is like that, any music with just one instrument is like that.
I listen the Alan Clark record a lot, but not all songs in a row, I play two or three songs everytime.
I love the Big River version.
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Thought it was a good interview
Alan very respectful to MK in this conversation. Alan's influence on the live versions is very clear when you listen to his solo album, R and J being a case in point.
I listened to his album yesterday and thought the same. He is one musician who seems to know the right note for the right time, just like Mark. They complimented each other beautifully and it's a great loss they're no longer making music together. Guy seems a nice chap but I'm not sure what he brings to the table musically.
I have listened to Alan's album twice now and agree that he is a very accomplished pianist, but apart from R&J, which was really beautiful, there were some that I struggled to recognise eg "I and I", "Your Latest Trick", "Private Dancer" and eventually everything seemed to merge into one and began sounding the same, in the same style. It was a very soporific experience to say the least!
Only piano music is like that, any music with just one instrument is like that.
I listen the Alan Clark record a lot, but not all songs in a row, I play two or three songs everytime.
I love the Big River version.
Actually the only other song, apart from R&J that I did enjoy was "I and I", but I didn't recognise it as such!
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Thought it was a good interview
Alan very respectful to MK in this conversation. Alan's influence on the live versions is very clear when you listen to his solo album, R and J being a case in point.
I listened to his album yesterday and thought the same. He is one musician who seems to know the right note for the right time, just like Mark. They complimented each other beautifully and it's a great loss they're no longer making music together. Guy seems a nice chap but I'm not sure what he brings to the table musically.
I have listened to Alan's album twice now and agree that he is a very accomplished pianist, but apart from R&J, which was really beautiful, there were some that I struggled to recognise eg "I and I", "Your Latest Trick", "Private Dancer" and eventually everything seemed to merge into one and began sounding the same, in the same style. It was a very soporific experience to say the least!
Only piano music is like that, any music with just one instrument is like that.
I listen the Alan Clark record a lot, but not all songs in a row, I play two or three songs everytime.
I love the Big River version.
Actually the only other song, apart from R&J that I did enjoy was "I and I", but I didn't recognise it as such!
The only one I don't like is "Brothers in arms" and "Private dancer" is weird, but it's a good adaptation, for me.
Try Big River, I think is very nice.
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Thought it was a good interview
Alan very respectful to MK in this conversation. Alan's influence on the live versions is very clear when you listen to his solo album, R and J being a case in point.
I listened to his album yesterday and thought the same. He is one musician who seems to know the right note for the right time, just like Mark. They complimented each other beautifully and it's a great loss they're no longer making music together. Guy seems a nice chap but I'm not sure what he brings to the table musically.
I have listened to Alan's album twice now and agree that he is a very accomplished pianist, but apart from R&J, which was really beautiful, there were some that I struggled to recognise eg "I and I", "Your Latest Trick", "Private Dancer" and eventually everything seemed to merge into one and began sounding the same, in the same style. It was a very soporific experience to say the least!
Only piano music is like that, any music with just one instrument is like that.
I listen the Alan Clark record a lot, but not all songs in a row, I play two or three songs everytime.
I love the Big River version.
Actually the only other song, apart from R&J that I did enjoy was "I and I", but I didn't recognise it as such!
The only one I don't like is "Brothers in arms" and "Private dancer" is weird, but it's a good adaptation, for me.
Try Big River, I think is very nice.
I have listened to them all, but maybe listening in small doses is required. I didn't recognise "Your Latest Trick" at all or "Private Dancer". I'll give Big River another try. :)
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OK. Listened to Big River again and it's just as boring as most of the others. It's missing MKs gorgeous guitar - that's what made me love that song in the first place. I do listen to lots of unaccompanied piano btw, but they are mainly classical works, so completely different.
Just listening to "I & I" again and I really like that one. It doesn't sound anything like the version from Infidels, but it has a very jazzy feel, which I like a lot. Maybe AC should do more jazzy stuff !
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R and J is the standout for me, really quite stunning and the essence of the live versions in there from 88 to 91.
Private dancer is a song I don't like the original of but I think this version by A C is a good interpretation
The North is also a good tune
Agree that this needs to be listened to in chunks but I am glad Alan did it and made it widely available. Stands up as a good and credible piece of work and he plays like he is at peace with things
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I am not really interested in Alan's piano album, missing the full band and Mark's guitar is not what I want to listen to, however, I do really like the piano album from Benny Anderson, his music and playing is much more suited to solo piano.
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I never really cared for solo piano, especially not pop solo piano. Classical or jazz is acceptable because the compositions and melodies are much more intricate.
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I am not really interested in Alan's piano album, missing the full band and Mark's guitar is not what I want to listen to, however, I do really like the piano album from Benny Anderson, his music and playing is much more suited to solo piano.
Nor I either, think I'd rather listen to the late Les Dawson play the piano personally!!!
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I am not really interested in Alan's piano album, missing the full band and Mark's guitar is not what I want to listen to, however, I do really like the piano album from Benny Anderson, his music and playing is much more suited to solo piano.
Nor I either, think I'd rather listen to the late Les Dawson play the piano personally!!!
I want to see a Les Dawson Mark Knopfler mash up. Although having said that, I don’t think MK’s comic timing was that great in the French and Saunders sketch.
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I never really cared for solo piano, especially not pop solo piano. Classical or jazz is acceptable because the compositions and melodies are much more intricate.
That is what is good about the Benny Anderson album.
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I am not really interested in Alan's piano album, missing the full band and Mark's guitar is not what I want to listen to, however, I do really like the piano album from Benny Anderson, his music and playing is much more suited to solo piano.
Nor I either, think I'd rather listen to the late Les Dawson play the piano personally!!!
:lol
As Morecambe and Wise would have said: he was playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order!
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I am not really interested in Alan's piano album, missing the full band and Mark's guitar is not what I want to listen to, however, I do really like the piano album from Benny Anderson, his music and playing is much more suited to solo piano.
Nor I either, think I'd rather listen to the late Les Dawson play the piano personally!!!
:lol
As Morecambe and Wise would have said: he was playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order!
A classic! :lol :lol
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I think this is very true. Sure, Mark wrote, sang and played lead guitar, but that doesn't mean it's all his work and the others are just lucky to be there and fill in some minor bits and pieces. If you're in a band, you're in a band - it's a team effort and not a one man show. It's like playing soccer (football). If the striker scores a hat-trick, he still has to get the ball from someone, and that someone can't just be replaced without affecting the result of the game.
It feels very easy to underestimate the work of the other members of DS, but Mark is just another human being and cannot do everything on his own.
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I think this is very true. Sure, Mark wrote, sang and played lead guitar, but that doesn't mean it's all his work and the others are just lucky to be there and fill in some minor bits and pieces. If you're in a band, you're in a band - it's a team effort and not a one man show. It's like playing soccer (football). If the striker scores a hat-trick, he still has to get the ball from someone, and that someone can't just be replaced without affecting the result of the game.
It feels very easy to underestimate the work of the other members of DS, but Mark is just another human being and cannot do everything on his own.
That's absolutely true if we're talking about a band. However, Dire Straits, as far as I'm concerned, never was a band... From day 1, it was Mark's way of putting out his songs. If he'd be able to play all the instruments at the same time on stage, I'm pretty sure he'd done just that. Even his own brother had no control over the band, let alone other members. David Knopfler said, "I thought we were building a democracy". How naive! John Illsley managed to stick as a core and the most loyal member of Mark's crew, everyone else got shredded in M. Knopfler's creative control blender. I think it's pretty clear that MK is not the guy to mess up with, even fans understand that. But some people he works with think that he's building democracy, and should give credit to something, etc.. That blows my mind. I think one should know with whom he's working and don't have high expectations, or not work with him at all.
Richard Bennett composed an opening guitar melody for "Rüdiger" on the first day of playing and recording with MK and so what? Should he ask for a writing credit, I don't think he'd be in Mark's band to this day. Creative input is great but sometimes too overrated.
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... I don't want seem rude... but busy or not, is clear that MK can't play at that level anymore.
He knows it, so why mention a Dire Straits reunion... simply, it isn't possible, neither if Mark wanted it.
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Of course its possible IF Mr. Knopfler want it to, but he does not. But possible yes. If MK and the band decided to do so, he can play whatever and how he wants to play it. Just like others bands that mature over time. So would DS also sounds different than the last time they played.
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Dire Straits keyboard player Alan Clark: “When Mark Knopfler first played Money For Nothing to the band, there was no ‘I Want My MTV’... the idea was mine”
By Daniel Griffiths
First Published 8 hours ago
https://www.musicradar.com/amp/news/alan-clark-dire-straits-piano-keyboards-synths-hammond?fbclid=IwAR0yajXAaTss71keE8GsHVFbRpFeZYJ3hplsl0MzASOVwiRSpESnWEV5gQc
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„ “There are one or two people who I won’t mention who - probably out of an insecurity - can come on like that, but I just deal with them. “ Intetesting answer concering hierarchy when working with stars like Knopfler, Dylan etc.. ;D
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Just read the interview. He's just too full of himself. Don't like him.
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Just read the interview. He's just too full of himself. Don't like him.
Me neither…
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why are you all complaining ?
after 40 years we discovered all songs were written by AC and not MK
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Dire Straits keyboard player Alan Clark: “When Mark Knopfler first played Money For Nothing to the band, there was no ‘I Want My MTV’... the idea was mine”
By Daniel Griffiths
First Published 8 hours ago
https://www.musicradar.com/amp/news/alan-clark-dire-straits-piano-keyboards-synths-hammond?fbclid=IwAR0yajXAaTss71keE8GsHVFbRpFeZYJ3hplsl0MzASOVwiRSpESnWEV5gQc
This is just getting sad.
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why are you all complaining ?
after 40 years we discovered all songs were written by AC and not MK
Really?
Lol
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Self-irony:)
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Clark is a brilliant pianist, no doubt.
"Me, I, Me, I... I did this, I did that, I came up with this, this was my idea..."
He is also brilliant at licking his own ass.
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The,almost,hatred, here for AC is rather sad.
He certainly made (major?)contributions to songs on LOG onwards and deserves credit for that.
You could easily make a case for him being the band member who had the (second) most influence on DS songs and for that I'm grateful.
I also quite like Backstory:)
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The,almost,hatred, here for AC is rather sad.
He certainly made (major?)contributions to songs on LOG onwards and deserves credit for that.
You could easily make a case for him being the band member who had the (second) most influence on DS songs and for that I'm grateful.
I also quite like Backstory:)
As I've written before whilst MK is credited as sole writer of the whole catalogue of DS songs, whilst legally that might be the case, I find it very hard to believe others didn't strongly influence song composition, and elements that we know and love. It's entirely possible Alan Clark had a massive role in the intro to MFN, it is after all synth led and you only have to listen to those parts on Local Hero where there are synth solo tracks to draw parallels. I would say he probably doesn't help himself in how bluntly he communicates things but there isn't really another way to say 'I did it' is there. Interesting to see whether there is any reaction from other band members on this.
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The,almost,hatred, here for AC is rather sad.
He certainly made (major?)contributions to songs on LOG onwards and deserves credit for that.
You could easily make a case for him being the band member who had the (second) most influence on DS songs and for that I'm grateful.
I also quite like Backstory:)
As I've written before whilst MK is credited as sole writer of the whole catalogue of DS songs, whilst legally that might be the case, I find it very hard to believe others didn't strongly influence song composition, and elements that we know and love. It's entirely possible Alan Clark had a massive role in the intro to MFN, it is after all synth led and you only have to listen to those parts on Local Hero where there are synth solo tracks to draw parallels. I would say he probably doesn't help himself in how bluntly he communicates things but there isn't really another way to say 'I did it' is there. Interesting to see whether there is any reaction from other band members on this.
So the legitimate question would be, where Alan's own "Money For Nothing"? then? It's easy to be creative with songwriters like MK, it matters what they can bring on their own. Besides, I'm pretty sure MK himself have had a lot of moments where he would help other people with writing songs without any credits given. Even the latest release by Dion, he said Mark helped him with the arrangement and all. So my thinking still and always will be that session musician's job or band member job is to come up with little ideas. Intros and outros is not a big idea, it's more like a finishing touch. Telegraph Road is another story... But then again, I'm sure if that was such a giant input, MK would give credits where it belongs. The big idea and most of the song is still his.
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It is true that the way Alan says he contributed to this or that is most of the times not the best way.
It is also true that lot of people seems to be paid for the MK army and are patiently waiting for someone to say any little thing that seems like offending his Knopfler religion and shot them to death.
I found it as ridiculous or even more than the way Alan says he contributed to this or that because at least, Alan is only telling what he did, the others are defending someone who doesn't need it in a quite fanatical way.
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No problem with Alan here, does anyone think MK wrote that synth intro?
The only reason Alan is having to say this is because John (or more accurately his ghost writer) made yet another error in his book.
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Surely this is just another case of a band working together in the arrangement of a song. I'm sure that Guy has said that they were considering dropping MFN from the album, then he (Guy) came up with the synth stabs that changed the song, but he doesn't claim any more than that. It does seem a bit like sour grapes on Alan's part. Yes, he may have had the idea for the intro, but that's all ( and that idea that cost Mark money because he eventually had to credit Sting as joint composer). The composer is the person who comes up with the words & the musical core of the song. Even though Mark was very definite about what he wanted in Dire Straits, I'm sure there were suggestions or contributions from most band members when a song was being worked up, as with other bands, but it's comparatively rare that the whole band get a composition credit.
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It is true that the way Alan says he contributed to this or that is most of the times not the best way.
It is also true that lot of people seems to be paid for the MK army and are patiently waiting for someone to say any little thing that seems like offending his Knopfler religion and shot them to death.
I found it as ridiculous or even more than the way Alan says he contributed to this or that because at least, Alan is only telling what he did, the others are defending someone who doesn't need it in a quite fanatical way.
Hey jbaent, it's only me or you seems to be quite grumpy these days? Nobody's here defending anyone, I think over the years Alan has built himself a certain reputation apart from his obvious musical talents by saying things and doing things, so any discussion about him naturally collect some negativity. He's slowly but surely tries to battle this negativity, just released a new solo album. I hope for some new good news from him.
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Alan is just a kid begging for attention
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Amen.
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Before deciding if Alan actually wrote the intro of MNF, the case of who of Dave or Ray is responsible for the distorded sound on the riff of You Really Got Me has yet to be cleared.
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Before deciding if Alan actually wrote the intro of MNF, the case of who of Dave or Ray is responsible for the distorded sound on the riff of You Really Got Me has yet to be cleared.
:lol :thumbsup
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Before deciding if Alan actually wrote the intro of MNF, the case of who of Dave or Ray is responsible for the distorded sound on the riff of You Really Got Me has yet to be cleared.
What amazes me the most is when people invent things. Where Alan says he wrote MFN? All I read is that he came with the idea of the MTV intro, not that he wrote the song.
Lies are lies despite how much you like or not a person.
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Before deciding if Alan actually wrote the intro of MNF, the case of who of Dave or Ray is responsible for the distorded sound on the riff of You Really Got Me has yet to be cleared.
What amazes me the most is when people invent things. Where Alan says he wrote MFN? All I read is that he came with the idea of the MTV intro, not that he wrote the song.
Lies are lies despite how much you like or not a person.
ds1984 said intro, not the song?
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Alan is just a kid begging for attention
Yep, this. Like I said before, the guy is an outstanding keyboard player, very creative, and has produced great melodies over the years. But it's just so childish to come out every interview blaming credits for himself. He isn't even a 20-something coming up in the music business. He'll be 70 next year and behaves like a 6 year old who hasn't received the latest toy for Christmas.
This has nothing to do with defending MK, like someone above said.
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This whole thing about who needs to be credited for a song is obviously complex and cannot be summed in few lines.
I am currently working on an article about this subject :P
Some thoughts :
1) Several bands have credited all members on several songs : Pink Floyd on Echoes for example, The doors on their first album, Genesis on their first albums, Yes, Led Zeppelin, etc… so it’s not that rare.
2) I think the point is :
- if the part « composed » by the musician is « important » in the song, then he have to be credited, even if he’s just a studio session musician
- If the part add just a little to the song, then he doesn't have to be credited.
In other words :
would the song sound the same without this part ? and more : would the song had the same success without this part ? would the song be famous in the same way without the part ?
If the answer is yes, then no need to credit the musician, but if the answer is no… then it’s fair to credit him imho
3) Examples :
- 90% of Money for nothing are lyrics, guitar riff, and song structure by MK. Even if the intro is Alan’s idea, it doesnt’ add the « main thing » of the song so to say. It is sureley a nice idea, and yes it adds to the song, but obvioulsy, without this intro, MFN would be a great song though (ok it’s subjectrive, but I guess we all agree about this)
- That’s a different thing with Telegraph road : imagine the song without piano parts... the song would lack his main atmophere and mood. All melodies, chords, harmonies, here and there are not only just « ideas added » to the song, there are mainly the most part of the song. So in this case, I think (it‘s just my opinion), that music could been credited by MK and « arranged by AC » or something like that.
By the way that’s a term that is widely used for other artists, and I think it’s fair for all contributers : composed by… and arranged by…
AC has been credited for strings arrangements on ticket to heaven, like Guy on other songs in Mark’s solo career. So he could also have been credited for arrangement in TR
- Another obvious example : Walk of life. I don’t know whether the keyboard line is from guy, Alan or Mark. But , if it’s not from Mark, it’s not fair to not have credited the musician (Guy or Alan), because obvioulsy that keyboard part is why the song became famous and was a hit. People know this song more for this keyboard line, than for the verses melody or lyrics. So in this case, the « idea » brought by the musician is a part of the composition imho. While the bass line, the drums break or whatever are not that « important ».
- Money is credited to Waters. He wrote THAT iconic riff, the melody, the chords progression and the lyrics. But imho it would be fair that Gilmour should be credited for « arrangements ». If the drums would have been played by another drummer, the song whouldn't have sounded that different, but if the guitar would been played by another guitarist… well you know what I mean.
- Last example : we all know that Terry Williams’ parts on the BIA album have been re-recorded by Omar Hakim. Does it have « changed » the songs ? in term of sound of course yes, but in term on « notoriety » or « success » I don’t think so. That’s why, Omar Hakim can’t claim to be credited because, even if his playing is excellent, it doesn’t add something « noticeable » for the large audience.
That’s how I see the things : Imagine the song without the parts in question, or played by other musicians. Would the song be « the same », or almost « close ».
Depending on the answer, then should be deciding on crediting the musician or not.
just my two cents :)
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Hey jbaent, it's only me or you seems to be quite grumpy these days? Nobody's here defending anyone, I think over the years Alan has built himself a certain reputation apart from his obvious musical talents by saying things and doing things, so any discussion about him naturally collect some negativity. He's slowly but surely tries to battle this negativity, just released a new solo album. I hope for some new good news from him.
It might be that I'm feeling a bit Scottish these days.
Lol
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Alan said MK wrote the Walk of Life keyboard part.
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Alan said MK wrote the Walk of Life keyboard part.
thanks :thumbsup :)
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Alan said MK wrote the Walk of Life keyboard part.
similar example : Baker street
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_Street_(song)
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To me that's all ridiculous... If you're a band, like The Doors or Queen, then credits go to all. If you're a band just because frontman is too shy to go with his name that's another story. And if you have multiple frontmen, then... Good luck :lol
Imagine if there was a law that if you form a band, then all the band members get a songwriting credit. Mark certainly would be a solo artist from the beginning :lol
Take "Light My Fire". Everybody knows Robby Krieger wrote the song. But Jim Morrison wrote the additional verse, John Densmore came up with the latin rhythm and Ray Manzarek came up with the iconic rhythm, chords and solo ideas.
Who gets the credit? All four! Because... a band.
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Queen only split their credits towards the end.
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To me that's all ridiculous... If you're a band, like The Doors or Queen, then credits go to all. If you're a band just because frontman is too shy to go with his name that's another story. And if you have multiple frontmen, then... Good luck :lol
Imagine if there was a law that if you form a band, then all the band members get a songwriting credit. Mark certainly would be a solo artist from the beginning :lol
Take "Light My Fire". Everybody knows Robby Krieger wrote the song. But Jim Morrison wrote the additional verse, John Densmore came up with the latin rhythm and Ray Manzarek came up with the iconic rhythm, chords and solo ideas.
Who gets the credit? All four! Because... a band.
Mark Knopfler and his DireStraits wasn't the full name of the band?
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To me that's all ridiculous... If you're a band, like The Doors or Queen, then credits go to all. If you're a band just because frontman is too shy to go with his name that's another story. And if you have multiple frontmen, then... Good luck :lol
Imagine if there was a law that if you form a band, then all the band members get a songwriting credit. Mark certainly would be a solo artist from the beginning :lol
Take "Light My Fire". Everybody knows Robby Krieger wrote the song. But Jim Morrison wrote the additional verse, John Densmore came up with the latin rhythm and Ray Manzarek came up with the iconic rhythm, chords and solo ideas.
Who gets the credit? All four! Because... a band.
yes exactly. because in THIS case, you can say that each member add something to the song.
But it's not always the case in all bands.
would you say for example that Bill Wyman brought the same "amount of ideas" in a stones song than Jagger, Richards or Jones ? I might be wrong, but I don't think so
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To me that's all ridiculous... If you're a band, like The Doors or Queen, then credits go to all. If you're a band just because frontman is too shy to go with his name that's another story. And if you have multiple frontmen, then... Good luck :lol
Imagine if there was a law that if you form a band, then all the band members get a songwriting credit. Mark certainly would be a solo artist from the beginning :lol
Take "Light My Fire". Everybody knows Robby Krieger wrote the song. But Jim Morrison wrote the additional verse, John Densmore came up with the latin rhythm and Ray Manzarek came up with the iconic rhythm, chords and solo ideas.
Who gets the credit? All four! Because... a band.
Mark Knopfler and his DireStraits wasn't the full name of the band?
By the way, not a bad idea at all. Almost like Tina Turner with Dire Straits for "Private Dancer" would work :lol
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To me that's all ridiculous... If you're a band, like The Doors or Queen, then credits go to all. If you're a band just because frontman is too shy to go with his name that's another story. And if you have multiple frontmen, then... Good luck :lol
Imagine if there was a law that if you form a band, then all the band members get a songwriting credit. Mark certainly would be a solo artist from the beginning :lol
Take "Light My Fire". Everybody knows Robby Krieger wrote the song. But Jim Morrison wrote the additional verse, John Densmore came up with the latin rhythm and Ray Manzarek came up with the iconic rhythm, chords and solo ideas.
Who gets the credit? All four! Because... a band.
yes exactly. because in THIS case, you can say that each member add something to the song.
But it's not always the case in all bands.
would you say for example that Bill Wyman brought the same "amount of ideas" in a stones song than Jagger, Richards or Jones ? I might be wrong, but I don't think so
I don't know, but what I know is I hate when the band revolves around 1 man and still being called a band... It sometimes gets to the point of being downright ridiculous, like one of my favourite contemporary bands Fleet Foxes released their new album in 2020 but... It was recorded without the band members, with frontman and other players only, he wrote all the songs and on promo photos on Times Square there was a photo of him and the band's name. Yeah, great band, huh? One man band that is.
A band is too often just a way to get a brand going and generate more income because nobody cares about Mark Knopfler, but DIRE STRAITS! That's another story, everybody lose their mind for Dire Straits. Don't mind DS that's basically everything MK, but a good brand nevetheless.
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To me that's all ridiculous... If you're a band, like The Doors or Queen, then credits go to all. If you're a band just because frontman is too shy to go with his name that's another story. And if you have multiple frontmen, then... Good luck :lol
Imagine if there was a law that if you form a band, then all the band members get a songwriting credit. Mark certainly would be a solo artist from the beginning :lol
Take "Light My Fire". Everybody knows Robby Krieger wrote the song. But Jim Morrison wrote the additional verse, John Densmore came up with the latin rhythm and Ray Manzarek came up with the iconic rhythm, chords and solo ideas.
Who gets the credit? All four! Because... a band.
yes exactly. because in THIS case, you can say that each member add something to the song.
But it's not always the case in all bands.
would you say for example that Bill Wyman brought the same "amount of ideas" in a stones song than Jagger, Richards or Jones ? I might be wrong, but I don't think so
Both Bill Wyman and Ronnie Woods said they wrote songs that Jagger and Richards took the credit for.
Wyman says he wrote the riff for Jumpin Jack Flash.
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To me that's all ridiculous... If you're a band, like The Doors or Queen, then credits go to all. If you're a band just because frontman is too shy to go with his name that's another story. And if you have multiple frontmen, then... Good luck :lol
Imagine if there was a law that if you form a band, then all the band members get a songwriting credit. Mark certainly would be a solo artist from the beginning :lol
Take "Light My Fire". Everybody knows Robby Krieger wrote the song. But Jim Morrison wrote the additional verse, John Densmore came up with the latin rhythm and Ray Manzarek came up with the iconic rhythm, chords and solo ideas.
Who gets the credit? All four! Because... a band.
yes exactly. because in THIS case, you can say that each member add something to the song.
But it's not always the case in all bands.
would you say for example that Bill Wyman brought the same "amount of ideas" in a stones song than Jagger, Richards or Jones ? I might be wrong, but I don't think so
Both Bill Wyman and Ronnie Woods said they wrote songs that Jagger and Richards took the credit for.
Wyman says he wrote the riff for Jumpin Jack Flash.
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yes right. and of course songs that should be co-credited with Taylor (sway, time waits for no one, moonlight mile, can't you hear me knocking at least)
but it depends on songs obviously
you can't have a rule that works all the time. I think it's difficlut to say "all songs by the band are credited to the whole band".
some songs are indeed by the band, some other are by only one member, some other are by one member but with ideas by other members, etc...
so I think it's not binary. it's not a band or a single artist. it's more complicated than that
and of course there the lennon-mccartney example. we all know that some songs are only John, and other are only Paul. Some are 50/50, but some are 70/30, 20/80, etc...
I find this subject fascinating : where is the line when we can say someone "contributes" to a musical work ? interpretation ? "arrangement" ? composition ? "giving ideas" ? the difference is often thin
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I don't know, but what I know is I hate when the band revolves around 1 man and still being called a band... It sometimes gets to the point of being downright ridiculous, like one of my favourite contemporary bands Fleet Foxes released their new album in 2020 but... It was recorded without the band members, with frontman and other players only, he wrote all the songs and on promo photos on Times Square there was a photo of him and the band's name. Yeah, great band, huh? One man band that is.
same with some Beach Boys recordings
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yes right. and of course songs that should be co-credited with Taylor (sway, time waits for no one, moonlight mile, can't you hear me knocking at least)
but it depends on songs obviously
you can't have a rule that works all the time. I think it's difficlut to say "all songs by the band are credited to the whole band".
some songs are indeed by the band, some other are by only one member, some other are by one member but with ideas by other members, etc...
so I think it's not binary. it's not a band or a single artist. it's more complicated than that
and of course there the lennon-mccartney example. we all know that some songs are only John, and other are only Paul. Some are 50/50, but some are 70/30, 20/80, etc...
I find this subject fascinating : where is the line when we can say someone "contributes" to a musical work ? interpretation ? "arrangement" ? composition ? "giving ideas" ? the difference is often thin
Yes, it's definitely interesting. I think it's often as simple as an oral contract, like the famous Lennon/McCartney thing. Just credit everything to both, personally, I find this decision a genius touch. But I remember when I was a kid and saw the news that Paul wanted to reverse credits to McCartney/Lennon for some of the songs and I thought now that's ridiculous... Especially considering John was dead for decades by this point.
However, if your contribution was so massive, and you weren't mentioned, after all, there's always a court waiting for you. Fill a lawsuit, win it if you're right and voila — you're a co-author! In my mind, if it never ended up in the court, and everybody's fine with how it goes, then it's history. It was your choice whether you are going to fight it, or leave it.
Regarding Alan telling everywhere about John being wrong, I don't know. To me it's nonsense, just forget about it. Like, nobody cares, really.
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yes right. and of course songs that should be co-credited with Taylor (sway, time waits for no one, moonlight mile, can't you hear me knocking at least)
but it depends on songs obviously
you can't have a rule that works all the time. I think it's difficlut to say "all songs by the band are credited to the whole band".
some songs are indeed by the band, some other are by only one member, some other are by one member but with ideas by other members, etc...
so I think it's not binary. it's not a band or a single artist. it's more complicated than that
and of course there the lennon-mccartney example. we all know that some songs are only John, and other are only Paul. Some are 50/50, but some are 70/30, 20/80, etc...
I find this subject fascinating : where is the line when we can say someone "contributes" to a musical work ? interpretation ? "arrangement" ? composition ? "giving ideas" ? the difference is often thin
Yes, it's definitely interesting. I think it's often as simple as an oral contract, like the famous Lennon/McCartney thing. Just credit everything to both, personally, I find this decision a genius touch. But I remember when I was a kid and saw the news that Paul wanted to reverse credits to McCartney/Lennon for some of the songs and I thought now that's ridiculous... Especially considering John was dead for decades by this point.
However, if your contribution was so massive, and you weren't mentioned, after all, there's always a court waiting for you. Fill a lawsuit, win it if you're right and voila — you're a co-author! In my mind, if it never ended up in the court, and everybody's fine with how it goes, then it's history. It was your choice whether you are going to fight it, or leave it.
Regarding Alan telling everywhere about John being wrong, I don't know. To me it's nonsense, just forget about it. Like, nobody cares, really.
about the Beatles I always give this example : Revolution 9.
ok it's not really a "song", but it is an "artistic work" though.
it's credited Lennon/McCartney. Paul did nothing on it (like many other John's songs), BUT George did.
So you have a Lennon/McCartney "song" on which Harrison has worked, but isn't credited
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I hope everyone has watched Get Back.
Fascinating to watch The Beatles writing together. They are all making suggestions and helping each other.
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I hope everyone has watched Get Back.
Fascinating to watch The Beatles writing together. They are all making suggestions and helping each other.
I haven't seen it yet, but I am impatient to have the oportunity
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The,almost,hatred, here for AC is rather sad.
He certainly made (major?)contributions to songs on LOG onwards and deserves credit for that.
You could easily make a case for him being the band member who had the (second) most influence on DS songs and for that I'm grateful.
I also quite like Backstory:)
As I've written before whilst MK is credited as sole writer of the whole catalogue of DS songs, whilst legally that might be the case, I find it very hard to believe others didn't strongly influence song composition, and elements that we know and love. It's entirely possible Alan Clark had a massive role in the intro to MFN, it is after all synth led and you only have to listen to those parts on Local Hero where there are synth solo tracks to draw parallels. I would say he probably doesn't help himself in how bluntly he communicates things but there isn't really another way to say 'I did it' is there. Interesting to see whether there is any reaction from other band members on this.
So the legitimate question would be, where Alan's own "Money For Nothing"? then? It's easy to be creative with songwriters like MK, it matters what they can bring on their own. Besides, I'm pretty sure MK himself have had a lot of moments where he would help other people with writing songs without any credits given. Even the latest release by Dion, he said Mark helped him with the arrangement and all. So my thinking still and always will be that session musician's job or band member job is to come up with little ideas. Intros and outros is not a big idea, it's more like a finishing touch. Telegraph Road is another story... But then again, I'm sure if that was such a giant input, MK would give credits where it belongs. The big idea and most of the song is still his.
Mark wrote the intro riff for the Joan Armatrading track Did I Make You Up but gets no credit for it, Joan says herself that Mark did it. Also, I read that Mark re-worked some of Jimmy Nails lyrics to Big River, what he actually wrote I don't know, again no credit, not that Mark wants it I guess!!! He should even get a co-writers credit at best for If Love Means Brushing Someone Else's Hair with Clive James as Clive said Mark re-wrote most of that over night, there could be more instances too.
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Mark is not Sting ;)
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Mark is not Sting ;)
It was Sting's publishers who "demanded" the credit.
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The,almost,hatred, here for AC is rather sad.
He certainly made (major?)contributions to songs on LOG onwards and deserves credit for that.
You could easily make a case for him being the band member who had the (second) most influence on DS songs and for that I'm grateful.
I also quite like Backstory:)
As I've written before whilst MK is credited as sole writer of the whole catalogue of DS songs, whilst legally that might be the case, I find it very hard to believe others didn't strongly influence song composition, and elements that we know and love. It's entirely possible Alan Clark had a massive role in the intro to MFN, it is after all synth led and you only have to listen to those parts on Local Hero where there are synth solo tracks to draw parallels. I would say he probably doesn't help himself in how bluntly he communicates things but there isn't really another way to say 'I did it' is there. Interesting to see whether there is any reaction from other band members on this.
So the legitimate question would be, where Alan's own "Money For Nothing"? then? It's easy to be creative with songwriters like MK, it matters what they can bring on their own. Besides, I'm pretty sure MK himself have had a lot of moments where he would help other people with writing songs without any credits given. Even the latest release by Dion, he said Mark helped him with the arrangement and all. So my thinking still and always will be that session musician's job or band member job is to come up with little ideas. Intros and outros is not a big idea, it's more like a finishing touch. Telegraph Road is another story... But then again, I'm sure if that was such a giant input, MK would give credits where it belongs. The big idea and most of the song is still his.
Mark wrote the intro riff for the Joan Armatrading track Did I Make You Up but gets no credit for it, Joan says herself that Mark did it. Also, I read that Mark re-worked some of Jimmy Nails lyrics to Big River, what he actually wrote I don't know, again no credit, not that Mark wants it I guess!!! He should even get a co-writers credit at best for If Love Means Brushing Someone Else's Hair with Clive James as Clive said Mark re-wrote most of that over night, there could be more instances too.
I thought of the Clive James song in regards to this thread too. The funny thing is, Mark also changed the key and I bet Clive didn’t even know it.
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I would say that it's not that Mark is busy, more that Mark is not interested in it, and I can't see a reason why he would be either.
He would not gain anything from it except for money, and I think he understands that as well. He knows that if he does anything with the DS brand, that's only for money, hence he says "charity only". Meaning he doesn't want to be associated with money-hungry folks in any way.
And he doesn't need the money, he makes enough money while he sleeps.
If Mark needs money then he can just sell the back catalogue of dIRE sTRAITS like Dylan, Springsteen et al and make another £100 million at least. He doesn't need to take DS on tour, although I wish he would do another DS album
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Even before then, is OES a rock album, with pedal steel all over it?!
I wouldn't say so. I remember going out in 1991 and eagerly buying it, and being crushingly disappointed, as I kind of was with the subsequent tour and good ol' boys Dukes Of Hazzard pedal steel everywhere. And don't get me started on 'How Long?' - about the dullest 3-chord track I've ever heard, and hardly a fitting epitaph as the last song on the last studio album.
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Even before then, is OES a rock album, with pedal steel all over it?!
I wouldn't say so. I remember going out in 1991 and eagerly buying it, and being crushingly disappointed, as I kind of was with the subsequent tour and good ol' boys Dukes Of Hazzard pedal steel everywhere. And don't get me started on 'How Long?' - about the dullest 3-chord track I've ever heard, and hardly a fitting epitaph as the last song on the last studio album.
I love "How Long"!
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Me too, i think "How Long" is a very simple but good tune. Typical MK country like stuff
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Even before then, is OES a rock album, with pedal steel all over it?!
I wouldn't say so. I remember going out in 1991 and eagerly buying it, and being crushingly disappointed, as I kind of was with the subsequent tour and good ol' boys Dukes Of Hazzard pedal steel everywhere. And don't get me started on 'How Long?' - about the dullest 3-chord track I've ever heard, and hardly a fitting epitaph as the last song on the last studio album.
LOL, In my opinion "How Long" is the most MK song there is - a little blues, a little country, tasty solos, fat bass, talking about something bad but in a "it will be good" way.. I absolutely love it.
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Me too, i think "How Long" is a very simple but good tune. Typical MK country like stuff
Absolutely, and I love Paul Franklin's contribution on the album and the tour, also.
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Even before then, is OES a rock album, with pedal steel all over it?!
I wouldn't say so. I remember going out in 1991 and eagerly buying it, and being crushingly disappointed, as I kind of was with the subsequent tour and good ol' boys Dukes Of Hazzard pedal steel everywhere. And don't get me started on 'How Long?' - about the dullest 3-chord track I've ever heard, and hardly a fitting epitaph as the last song on the last studio album.
LOL, In my opinion "How Long" is the most MK song there is - a little blues, a little country, tasty solos, fat bass, talking about something bad but in a "it will be good" way.. I absolutely love it.
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I love "How Long" too and I was lucky enoughto be there, on the one and only occasion it has been played live, at The Town & Country in Leeds 1993 for a charity gig with The Notting Hillbillies.
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How Long is a great song, and I think it is perfect for the final song on the final Dire Straits album, it loops back to the country rock style Mark stated with, plus it looks forward to the type of song style Mark used on his first solo album. I loved Mark's use of Paul Franklin in his songs, I would love to hear that again, certainly more than the brass section.
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How Long is a great song, and I think it is perfect for the final song on the final Dire Straits album, it loops back to the country rock style Mark stated with, plus it looks forward to the type of song style Mark used on his first solo album. I loved Mark's use of Paul Franklin in his songs, I would love to hear that again, certainly more than the brass section.
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Absolutely. I could listen to that coda section all day long. How long? All day long!!!
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I quite like How Long but Mark sounds like he is doing some kind of Vince Gill / generic country artist impression . Kind of the story of the album to me, MK as a country persona ... deep in his Chet Atkins period . Doesn't sit well to me
Rented the album from the music library and was confused.
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Chet was the one who influenced MK the most
Without him he wouldn't have done any Country at all. Maybe...
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How Long is a great song, and I think it is perfect for the final song on the final Dire Straits album, it loops back to the country rock style Mark stated with, plus it looks forward to the type of song style Mark used on his first solo album. I loved Mark's use of Paul Franklin in his songs, I would love to hear that again, certainly more than the brass section.
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Absolutely. I could listen to that coda section all day long. How long? All day long!!!
How long - too long! :disbelief
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Chet was the one who influenced MK the most
Without him he wouldn't have done any Country at all. Maybe...
The most? Not so sure about that.
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Chet was the one who influenced MK the most
Without him he wouldn't have done any Country at all. Maybe...
I don't think so, the country was there from the start. Setting Me Up? Pure country.
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Chet was the one who influenced MK the most
Without him he wouldn't have done any Country at all. Maybe...
I don't think so, the country was there from the start. Setting Me Up? Pure country.
Country covers a lot, but SMU is bordering on rock. Country rock? When I think about country, I think about George Jones, etc. It's a little "schmaltzy" and sappy. To me Are We In Trouble Now Mark's most countrified song (that piano!), of course ruined by the heavily distorted guitar he-he
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There are upbeat country songs as well you know. Go listen to White Lightning by George Jones and come back and tell me it's schmaltzy or sappy.
Setting Me Up could be a Buck Owens song.
What's "rock" about it?
Waylon Jennings did it, and how about this?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHhpN432DY
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There are upbeat country songs as well you know. Go listen to White Lightning by George Jones and come back and tell me it's schmaltzy or sappy.
Setting Me Up could be a Buck Owens song.
What's "rock" about it?
Waylon Jennings did it, and how about this?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHhpN432DY
Whoa, this is brilliant! I had never heard this great cover of Setting Me Up, thanks for sharing!
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Chet was the one who influenced MK the most
Without him he wouldn't have done any Country at all. Maybe...
I don't think so, the country was there from the start. Setting Me Up? Pure country.
Disagree here. Setting me up is not country for me. Compare it to Poor Boy Blues. Quite a difference
I really think his Golden country times came with Chet, starting after 1985 (COsmic Sqaure Dance, Sails etc.)
After Chet died (RIP Chet) the country style slowly left. He didn't fly to Nashville very often after that.
On his last albums we didn't hear any country. Last really song was the Privateering Bonus track Follow the Ribbon.
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WHAT a cool version of Setting me up, thank you! :D
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Chet was the one who influenced MK the most
Without him he wouldn't have done any Country at all. Maybe...
I don't think so, the country was there from the start. Setting Me Up? Pure country.
Disagree here. Setting me up is not country for me. Compare it to Poor Boy Blues. Quite a difference
I really think his Golden country times came with Chet, starting after 1985 (COsmic Sqaure Dance, Sails etc.)
After Chet died (RIP Chet) the country style slowly left. He didn't fly to Nashville very often after that.
On his last albums we didn't hear any country. Last really song was the Privateering Bonus track Follow the Ribbon.
You get different styles and tempos in country.
Setting Me Up and Poor Boy Blues are both country.
Stand By Your Man and Achy Breaky Heart are both country.
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To dustyvalentino.
A really cool find, your Country / Hillbilly coverversion of Setting me up. It fit´s to that music-genre. A good idea by that band, to cover this song.
Can you remember John Anderson, another US-Country-Man, who Mark was involved in, in the early 1990s. ?
Seminole Wind was a cool Country-Album, which includes a cover-version of When it comes to you. Also a brilliant cover-version of John, with Mark in the background on guitar. For those fans, which are not familiar with that artist or the album, just listen to John Andersons Album Seminole Wind and, of course, to When it comes to you. :thumbsup 8)
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To dustyvalentino.
A really cool find, your Country / Hillbilly coverversion of Setting me up. It fit´s to that music-genre. A good idea by that band, to cover this song.
Can you remember John Anderson, another US-Country-Man, who Mark was involved in, in the early 1990s. ?
Seminole Wind was a cool Country-Album, which includes a cover-version of When it comes to you. Also a brilliant cover-version of John, with Mark in the background on guitar. For those fans, which are not familiar with that artist or the album, just listen to John Andersons Album Seminole Wind and, of course, to When it comes to you. :thumbsup 8)
Yes, I like John Anderson, I have a few of his albums on vinyl.
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Setting me Up is as country as it gets to me. Of course every music genre generates sub genres so Johnny Cash will sound completely different from Garth Brooks or Alison Kraus for instance. Eastbound Train is countryish to my ears as well.
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Setting me Up is as country as it gets to me. Of course every music genre generates sub genres so Johnny Cash will sound completely different from Garth Brooks or Alison Kraus for instance. Eastbound Train is countryish to my ears as well.
I'd say Eastbound train is more boogie for me
talking about live version of course.
because the demo was completely different and I like it very much. it should had been on the first album, as well as real girl
https://youtu.be/AgzsbGRNiLM
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To dustyvalentino.
A really cool find, your Country / Hillbilly coverversion of Setting me up. It fit´s to that music-genre. A good idea by that band, to cover this song.
Can you remember John Anderson, another US-Country-Man, who Mark was involved in, in the early 1990s. ?
Seminole Wind was a cool Country-Album, which includes a cover-version of When it comes to you. Also a brilliant cover-version of John, with Mark in the background on guitar. For those fans, which are not familiar with that artist or the album, just listen to John Andersons Album Seminole Wind and, of course, to When it comes to you. :thumbsup 8)
Yes, I like John Anderson, I have a few of his albums on vinyl.
Me too! ;D
I am a long time fan of John Anderson and own all of his work on vinyl and CD. He's a real country boy, humble and down to earth as can be. John has a distinctive voice and style. He grew up listening to country music but always wanted to be in a rock band as a kid, so you can find a lot of rock and blues elements in his music here. I was thrilled to learn that John and Mark met in Nashville and did some things together back in the early 90's. Not only does Mark play guitar on "When It Comes To You," he can also be heard on "Let The Guitar Do The Talking" off JA's 1996 album Paradise.
https://youtu.be/lAf5mu7ysN0
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Setting me Up is as country as it gets to me. Of course every music genre generates sub genres so Johnny Cash will sound completely different from Garth Brooks or Alison Kraus for instance. Eastbound Train is countryish to my ears as well.
I'd say Eastbound train is more boogie for me
talking about live version of course.
because the demo was completely different and I like it very much. it should had been on the first album, as well as real girl
https://youtu.be/AgzsbGRNiLM
Yes. For me Eastbound Train is also a boogie and should be on the first DS album.