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Title: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 12, 2021, 09:40:29 PM
A thread for stating your favourite versions of songs by tour of particular songs.

For example, I watched Alchemy recently and I’m currently watching the great new version of Wembley 85.

Expresso Love was much better on Alchemy. Too much sax in 85.

But Private Investigations is great in 85, really powerful.

What say you?
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Robson on November 12, 2021, 10:34:39 PM
Maybe it's worth choosing your favorite versions (concert) chronologically.

30th January, 1978 Live In Leeds
April 19, 1978 Live In Chester sounds good
Of course Live At The BBC.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Knopflerfan on November 12, 2021, 10:36:11 PM
Good thread Dusty...

Last night we watched the 'Live in Sydney 1986' and to be honest there are a few stand out versions I really enjoy....

*Ride across the River- Outrageous and astonishing!
*Industrial Disease - just amazing and rockin'
*So Far Away - Calypso version - Nuff said!!!
*Walk of Life - lovely to hear MK's Tele 'Riff' which is so much louder than the rest of the band
*Two young Lovers' - love the opening 'riff' exchange with Jack and jack calling MK a 'F****ing animal' whilst MK tries to bite a broken nail!!
*Tunnel of Love' - such a moving end solo even with a clearly tired MK.....
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: the visitor on November 12, 2021, 10:47:49 PM
Ride Across the River : yes this is totally badass
Private Investigations : OES tour versions surprisingly for me
Single Handed Sailor : Making Movies Tour
Romeo and Juliet : Mandela or 1991 OES tour before it got merged into Heavy Fuel . Early versions are good too
Portobello Belle : Making Movies tour
Money for Nothing: Live in 85
BIA : not a tour version but Mandela is best and has the best of BIA and OES versions in it
Telegraph Road : love over gold tour versions
Tunnel of Love : Live in 85
Wild West End : 1979 versions are very nice, BIA versions are too overdone
Sultans : love over gold BIA and OES versions all stand up but prefer Terry's drumming
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2021, 12:45:58 PM
Ride Across The River was only played on the BIA tour so it can't be compared to any other tour version like this thread implies?

I always found that Private Investigations from 1991/1992 was superior to the BIA tour. It had the right portion of synth and atmospheric keyboard sounds, the version on OTN is a real gem and the best track on the album for me.

I agree about Expresso Love. Best version on Alchemy.

Sultans was the best for me in 1996. I loved the really long version and Jim's part in it. Sultans from 2001 on was just something to forget, getting worse and more and more cringeful from tour to tour.

LE
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: superval99 on November 13, 2021, 01:28:44 PM
Sultans from 2001 on was just something to forget, getting worse and more and more cringeful from tour to tour.

LE

Except for 2010 versions.   :)
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: rmarques821 on November 13, 2021, 02:57:41 PM
Yes, Private Investigations in 1991/1992 was brilliant. And I also think that the pedal steel was a good addition to Romeo and Juliet.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Love Expresso on November 13, 2021, 03:58:54 PM
About Calling Elvis, I think it's very interesting that there was never the "standard" live version. 1991 was worked out and extended to be a big opener and to introduce Danny, the NHB versions were stripped down, very jazzy and cool, 1996 again a totally other original and fresh style. 2001 very much  changed again, now being very boring, as an opener at least, being followed by Walk of Life  :smack. It seems MK was never really sure about the identity of this song. Or he saw it as an universal piece of music only connected by lyrics and solo. To answer the topic, I liked the 1996 version the most because of its energy, key change and phantastic intro coming from Je Suis Desolé. Very good, as everything in 1996.

LE
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: herlock on November 14, 2021, 07:33:52 PM
Sultans from 2001 on was just something to forget, getting worse and more and more cringeful from tour to tour.

LE

Except for 2010 versions.   :)
For Sultans I like OES versions a lot, nice blend of sax and guitar.
I don't like 4 piece versions much, and it's true that over the years some versions were quite bad, but with exceptions. Listen to Sion 2015, almost as good as 2001 versions...
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: herlock on November 14, 2021, 07:35:43 PM
Yes, Private Investigations in 1991/1992 was brilliant. And I also think that the pedal steel was a good addition to Romeo and Juliet.
I like OTN version a lot, but it is a bit slow compared to Wembley 85, totally badass ! :)
I really think that Wembley 85 is a hell of a concert, Mark on his cusp. A bit too much of cheesy synth maybe, but I love cheese ;)
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: herlock on November 14, 2021, 07:37:20 PM
Good thread Dusty...

Last night we watched the 'Live in Sydney 1986' and to be honest there are a few stand out versions I really enjoy....

*Ride across the River- Outrageous and astonishing!
*Industrial Disease - just amazing and rockin'
*So Far Away - Calypso version - Nuff said!!!
*Walk of Life - lovely to hear MK's Tele 'Riff' which is so much louder than the rest of the band
*Two young Lovers' - love the opening 'riff' exchange with Jack and jack calling MK a 'F****ing animal' whilst MK tries to bite a broken nail!!
*Tunnel of Love' - such a moving end solo even with a clearly tired MK.....
For TOL I prefer Wembley 85 to Alchemy, but I prefer Alchemy to Sidney 86.
In general I much prefer Wembley to Sidney, so much fresher, by the end of the tour they were completely washed up, and it shows (and sounds).
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 14, 2021, 07:39:30 PM
Re the calypso SFA.

Everyone loves it, but is it really the best version?

Do we not just like it because it’s a novelty?

If the BiA album had opened with it we would have all said what the hell is this?!
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: rmarques821 on November 14, 2021, 11:47:24 PM
Re the calypso SFA.

Everyone loves it, but is it really the best version?

Do we not just like it because it’s a novelty?

If the BiA album had opened with it we would have all said what the hell is this?!
For me, the best SFA versions were during the Get Lucky Tour. Great energy as always during that tour.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: NicoMK on November 15, 2021, 09:12:08 AM
For me, the best SFA versions were during the Get Lucky Tour. Great energy as always during that tour.
Agree that the 2010 version was great but if you're asking me, the 2006 was even better. I remember the one in Paris was so enjoyable -- band included -- (SamGolden and I we were front row that day) and the DVD version is an absolute killer. Cant' beat it.

The 2002 version is cool too, same mood.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: superval99 on November 15, 2021, 09:41:15 AM
SFA from Liverpool 2013 was great with an extended part from 4.30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DzwFaXOlnY&t=225s
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: herlock on November 15, 2021, 09:52:40 AM
SFA from Liverpool 2013 was great with an extended part from 4.30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DzwFaXOlnY&t=225s
Saint-Julien 2013 is also greatly extended.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: NicoMK on November 15, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
Sultans was the best for me in 1996. I loved the really long version and Jim's part in it. Sultans from 2001 on was just something to forget, getting worse and more and more cringeful from tour to tour.

LE

I agree that the 1996 version was very fresh. The one from Stockholm is really well played and extra-long, 14 minutes as far as I can recall.

Having said that, if you consider the "shortened Sultans post 1996", the 2010 Paris version is exceptionally well played, guitars and drums are both very smooth and "connected". My favorite "shortened" version.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: herlock on November 15, 2021, 10:22:15 AM
Sultans was the best for me in 1996. I loved the really long version and Jim's part in it. Sultans from 2001 on was just something to forget, getting worse and more and more cringeful from tour to tour.

LE

I agree that the 1996 version was very fresh. The one from Stockholm is really well played and extra-long, 14 minutes as far as I can recall.

Having said that, if you consider the "shortened Sultans post 1996", the 2010 Paris version is exceptionally well played, guitars and drums are both very smooth and "connected". My favorite "shortened" version.
Well...
I was in Paris in 2010, wonderful concert, one of the best I ever attended. But... I don't think Sultans was that great. The solo was quite cumbersome, and I remember the band members looking at each other like "what's the hell is he doing" ? ;)
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: superval99 on November 15, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
Sultans was the best for me in 1996. I loved the really long version and Jim's part in it. Sultans from 2001 on was just something to forget, getting worse and more and more cringeful from tour to tour.

LE

I agree that the 1996 version was very fresh. The one from Stockholm is really well played and extra-long, 14 minutes as far as I can recall.

Having said that, if you consider the "shortened Sultans post 1996", the 2010 Paris version is exceptionally well played, guitars and drums are both very smooth and "connected". My favorite "shortened" version.
Well...
I was in Paris in 2010, wonderful concerts, one of the best I ever attended. But... I don't think Sultans was that great. The solo was quite cumbersome, and I remember the band members looking at each other like "what's the hell is he doing" ? ;)

Sultans from Manchester and Brighton 2010 are amongst my favourites and the Brighton version had some nods to the longer version too.   
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: NicoMK on November 15, 2021, 10:28:45 AM
Having said that, if you consider the "shortened Sultans post 1996", the 2010 Paris version is exceptionally well played, guitars and drums are both very smooth and "connected". My favorite "shortened" version.
Well...
I was in Paris in 2010, wonderful concerts, one of the best I ever attended. But... I don't think Sultans was that great. The solo was quite cumbersome, and I remember the band members looking at each other like "what's the hell is he doing" ? ;)

Oh yes? Well If you were there (lucky you) I guess that your feeling is more accurate than mine but, still, I've always liked it.

Let's give it a try again  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu3clIogTYM
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: superval99 on November 15, 2021, 10:45:10 AM
Having said that, if you consider the "shortened Sultans post 1996", the 2010 Paris version is exceptionally well played, guitars and drums are both very smooth and "connected". My favorite "shortened" version.
Well...
I was in Paris in 2010, wonderful concerts, one of the best I ever attended. But... I don't think Sultans was that great. The solo was quite cumbersome, and I remember the band members looking at each other like "what's the hell is he doing" ? ;)

Oh yes? Well If you were there (lucky you) I guess that your feeling is more accurate than mine but, still, I've always liked it.

Let's give it a try again  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu3clIogTYM

I liked it.   :)  The solo was different in parts as though he was experimenting, but that's OK with me.

I liked Madrid and Badelona from 2010 too.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: herlock on November 15, 2021, 10:50:47 AM
Having said that, if you consider the "shortened Sultans post 1996", the 2010 Paris version is exceptionally well played, guitars and drums are both very smooth and "connected". My favorite "shortened" version.
Well...
I was in Paris in 2010, wonderful concerts, one of the best I ever attended. But... I don't think Sultans was that great. The solo was quite cumbersome, and I remember the band members looking at each other like "what's the hell is he doing" ? ;)

Oh yes? Well If you were there (lucky you) I guess that your feeling is more accurate than mine but, still, I've always liked it.

Let's give it a try again  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu3clIogTYM

I liked it.   :)  The solo was different in parts as though he was experimenting, but that's OK with me.
I don't hate it for sure :) But I prefer Sion 2015, for instance... more old licks reminiscent of 1992...
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dmg on November 15, 2021, 04:02:30 PM
When I decided to compile my list I had to write it down on Notepad first as I discovered it wasn’t just as simple as I had thought.  Sometimes it depends on my mood and sometimes I like more than one version but for different reasons. 

Another factor that came into it was the vocal - something I hadn’t expected to be a deciding factor.  For example, if Romeo in 2001 had the same energetic vocal as that from 1985 it would be the ultimate.  Something I noticed is that since about 1988, even on the Clapton tour, he didn’t even bother with any effort on his vocal and now it has descended into a very weak and weary effort.

SFA - Wembley 10.07.85 no doubt the ’85 versions were best and this one is probably the best of the lot.  The few we have from the North American leg are great too like Montreal.  Lovely tone, kept it simple, interesting solos, cool vocal.  Total contrast to the more recent whammy bar dominated ones.

Sultans - impossible to say after so many versions, however I would say that my favourites are from the BIA tour, specifically the North American leg and later European leg.  So much energy!  Latterly in 2015 it seemed he was only playing the song as a joke, hence why he played the last few notes of the twiddly bits out of tune every single night.

ToL - similar to Sultans really.  The song really reached its peak in terms of arrangement at this time I think.  Boston 05.10.85

R&J - more difficult now.  I loved the solos from the 2001 tour best but he’s singing for about 5 mins of the song and that was most enjoyable in ’85/6.  I can take or leave the sax on this but never really liked anyone but Chris playing on it and his solos were more varied on the BIA tour.  Depends what mood I’m in.  Chicago 2001 or Berlin 1985.

TR - 1996 and 2001.  Best solos and more monumental and epic than the others (2005 versions excepted).  Detroit 2001 is excellent.

BIA - BIA tour.  The only versions to contain passion in the vocal and very powerful.  Began to be more polished from around June/July but some early versions are also very good like Monaco.

MFN - BIA tour.  Steinberger sound has grown on me.  I think the problem people have with it is that it’s not a LP.  Just take it on it’s own and it’s absolutely fine.  The LP on tour never sounded like the album anyway; it was all in the amps.  Boston 05.10.85 is probably better than most - one of the best shows IMHO.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: superval99 on November 15, 2021, 04:32:01 PM
I notice that no-one has mentioned any songs other than DS ones.   Why no MK solo songs?    :think
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Robson on November 15, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
I notice that no-one has mentioned any songs other than DS ones.   Why no MK solo songs?    :think

I thought about that too:)
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Robson on November 15, 2021, 04:39:00 PM
I first.

May 8, 2013
5.15 AM Lódz - Atlas Arena
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: herlock on November 15, 2021, 04:46:08 PM
I tend to agree with Dmg that for DS, BIA tour versions are the best. Especially 1985. Although rougher saxless versions from 1983 are very nice too. I personnally also love OL 1980/1981 tour for some versions, News, Lions, WDYTYG and Angel of Mercy are killers of this tour ! OES versions are sophisticated but too much, too polished...
For solo stuff 2002 versions of WII and WAM are hard to beat, although I also loved 2019 versions for WAM, with the brassies. For Speedway, 2010 versions with Danny are very good. HFB was also best in 2010, so was Piper and also Border Reiver and Coyote (well actually there were the only ones). KOG was great in Paris 2015.
For TR 1983 versions are great, passionate vocals, but a bit rough and short, I tend to agree that best versions were 1996, 2001 and 2005, before the (in)famous karaoke mode for the first solo, although there were some great end solos in 2010 (Paris), 2013 (Saint-Julien), 2015 (Sion) and 2019 (Barcelona).
Also, MFN, BIA and STP were superb in 2019. So was Silvertown !
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: superval99 on November 15, 2021, 04:51:16 PM
I first.

May 8, 2013
5.15 AM Lódz - Atlas Arena

Back to Tupelo - Newcastle 2013

The version from Edinburgh is lovely too.

Back to Tupelo - Edinburgh 2005
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 15, 2021, 05:04:56 PM
I first.

May 8, 2013
5.15 AM Lódz - Atlas Arena

Back to Tupelo - Newcastle 2013

The version from Edinburgh is lovely too.

Back to Tupelo - Edinburgh 2005

I was very pleased when he played it in Edinburgh. I think I met you there Val?!

To answer your question, I guess there hasn't been as much variation in the MK solo years?
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: superval99 on November 15, 2021, 05:13:23 PM
I first.

May 8, 2013
5.15 AM Lódz - Atlas Arena

Back to Tupelo - Newcastle 2013

The version from Edinburgh is lovely too.

Back to Tupelo - Edinburgh 2005

I was very pleased when he played it in Edinburgh. I think I met you there Val?!

To answer your question, I guess there hasn't been as much variation in the MK solo years?

Dusty - I first met you in the queue for Hay-on-Sky, then in Edinburgh 2008.   :)

Yes, I suppose less variety in MK solo songs on tour, but a lot of variety on the albums.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: superval99 on November 15, 2021, 05:24:35 PM
Because my favourite tour is Get Lucky, most of my favourites are from either Manchester or Brighton, especially Coyote (Brighton),  HFB (Brighton), Speedway (Manchester), TR (Manchester) and Piper (Manchester).  In fact, I could just say everything!   ;D

I especially liked WAM (Leeds 2019), STP - fabulous (Leeds 2019) and Matchstick Man, MFN. 

TR Carcassonne (2013)



Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Robson on November 15, 2021, 05:48:39 PM
"Yes, I suppose less variety in MK solo songs on tour, but a lot of variety on the albums"

And less and less DS.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: superval99 on November 15, 2021, 06:12:24 PM
"Yes, I suppose less variety in MK solo songs on tour, but a lot of variety on the albums"

And less and less DS.


Yes, but at least we had OUATITW and MFN to make up for the loss of SOS and TR in 2019!   ;)
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Robson on November 15, 2021, 06:32:02 PM
Oh yes. It was amazing for me to hear Once Upon ... and MFN.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 15, 2021, 07:52:45 PM
I first.

May 8, 2013
5.15 AM Lódz - Atlas Arena

Back to Tupelo - Newcastle 2013

The version from Edinburgh is lovely too.

Back to Tupelo - Edinburgh 2005

I was very pleased when he played it in Edinburgh. I think I met you there Val?!

To answer your question, I guess there hasn't been as much variation in the MK solo years?

Dusty - I first met you in the queue for Hay-on-Sky, then in Edinburgh 2008.   :)

Yes, I suppose less variety in MK solo songs on tour, but a lot of variety on the albums.
I feel like we met in Edinburgh as well on year…


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Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: rmarques821 on November 15, 2021, 08:05:29 PM
Hill Farmer's Blues, I think the best version I've ever heard was from 1st night in Amsterdam in 2010.
However I enjoy listening to versions from the 2008 tour. In 2010 he played well, but just gave up singing "so bad.." after two repetitions, which is something that in 2008 really added to the emotion of the song.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dmg on November 15, 2021, 09:11:10 PM
Not seen any MK solo ones?  Because DS songs are the classics and this is the proof!  ;)

Here's some:

Prairie Wedding - a bit random but I really like this song.  Best in 2001, great version from Vancouver.
Piper - probably 2013.  I liked that he came back after pointing to the band and played some more, something he didn’t do for the majority of the 2010 GL tour.  Helsinki has a particularly nice version.
HFB - GL tour.  The ones with Bob were good too but Birmingham 2010 is simply outstanding.
KOG - Privateering tour.  Solo seemed a little longer this time.  Caen was better than most from memory.
Speedway - lots to choose from.  The best I heard live myself was RAH 27.05.13 and after listening to it many times since it remains one of the very best.
WII - probably not the best live song but I did enjoy the versions from the 2002 charity shows.
WAM - 2005 and 2008.  Not really any difference in arrangement.  Berkeley 2008 is nice.

*Long Highway - Portland 2001 (for Pottel on his day).
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: herlock on November 15, 2021, 09:25:07 PM
Not seen any MK solo ones?  Because DS songs are the classics and this is the proof!  ;)

Here's some:

Prairie Wedding - a bit random but I really like this song.  Best in 2001, great version from Vancouver.
Piper - probably 2013.  I liked that he came back after pointing to the band and played some more, something he didn’t do for the majority of the 2010 GL tour.  Helsinki has a particularly nice version.
HFB - GL tour.  The ones with Bob were good too but Birmingham 2010 is simply outstanding.
KOG - Privateering tour.  Solo seemed a little longer this time.  Caen was better than most from memory.
Speedway - lots to choose from.  The best I heard live myself was RAH 27.05.13 and after listening to it many times since it remains one of the very best.
WII - probably not the best live song but I did enjoy the versions from the 2002 charity shows.
WAM - 2005 and 2008.  Not really any difference in arrangement.  Berkeley 2008 is nice.

*Long Highway - Portland 2001 (for Pottel on his day).
For Prairie Wedding I like Paris 2010.
For Piper I prefer 2010 to 2013, more energy
For KOG I liked it better in 2015 than 2013, more mature
For Speedway I prefer 2010 since I feel it is *the* song where Danny was better than Ianto
For WAM 2019 is also worth mentioning for the superb brass intro !
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Robson on November 15, 2021, 09:35:25 PM
I really like Speedway At Nazareth in Massey Hall, Toronto, Canada, 3rd May 2001

And the applause of the audience: >>> Those walls from mid-Ohio to Toronto they hurt <<<

b side of the single Why Aye Man

and many others...
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Knopflerfan on November 15, 2021, 09:37:32 PM
Re the calypso SFA.

Everyone loves it, but is it really the best version?

Do we not just like it because it’s a novelty?

If the BiA album had opened with it we would have all said what the hell is this?!

It's got to be purely for the novelty of MKs phrasing on the classical guitar that is the winner here for SFA - in fact I'm not a keen SFA fan but I like that version of it....
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dmg on November 15, 2021, 10:08:48 PM
Re the calypso SFA.

Everyone loves it, but is it really the best version?

Do we not just like it because it’s a novelty?

If the BiA album had opened with it we would have all said what the hell is this?!

It's got to be purely for the novelty of MKs phrasing on the classical guitar that is the winner here for SFA - in fact I'm not a keen SFA fan but I like that version of it....

How about the calypso version from the Swan Hunter gig by the NHB?  That's pretty cool I think and better suited to the Hillbillies.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 16, 2021, 12:38:29 AM
Not seen any MK solo ones?  Because DS songs are the classics and this is the proof!  ;)

Here's some:

Prairie Wedding - a bit random but I really like this song.  Best in 2001, great version from Vancouver.
Piper - probably 2013.  I liked that he came back after pointing to the band and played some more, something he didn’t do for the majority of the 2010 GL tour.  Helsinki has a particularly nice version.
HFB - GL tour.  The ones with Bob were good too but Birmingham 2010 is simply outstanding.
KOG - Privateering tour.  Solo seemed a little longer this time.  Caen was better than most from memory.
Speedway - lots to choose from.  The best I heard live myself was RAH 27.05.13 and after listening to it many times since it remains one of the very best.
WII - probably not the best live song but I did enjoy the versions from the 2002 charity shows.
WAM - 2005 and 2008.  Not really any difference in arrangement.  Berkeley 2008 is nice.

*Long Highway - Portland 2001 (for Pottel on his day).
For Prairie Wedding I like Paris 2010.
For Piper I prefer 2010 to 2013, more energy
For KOG I liked it better in 2015 than 2013, more mature
For Speedway I prefer 2010 since I feel it is *the* song where Danny was better than Ianto
For WAM 2019 is also worth mentioning for the superb brass intro !
Agreed, despite the much maligned brass section they came to the fore on WAM.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: superval99 on November 16, 2021, 07:44:30 AM
BIA from Toronto, Massey Hall 2001 and also RAH 23rd May 1996 were both excellent.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: qjamesfloyd on November 16, 2021, 09:06:37 AM
Not seen any MK solo ones?  Because DS songs are the classics and this is the proof!  ;)

Here's some:

Prairie Wedding - a bit random but I really like this song.  Best in 2001, great version from Vancouver.
Piper - probably 2013.  I liked that he came back after pointing to the band and played some more, something he didn’t do for the majority of the 2010 GL tour.  Helsinki has a particularly nice version.
HFB - GL tour.  The ones with Bob were good too but Birmingham 2010 is simply outstanding.
KOG - Privateering tour.  Solo seemed a little longer this time.  Caen was better than most from memory.
Speedway - lots to choose from.  The best I heard live myself was RAH 27.05.13 and after listening to it many times since it remains one of the very best.
WII - probably not the best live song but I did enjoy the versions from the 2002 charity shows.
WAM - 2005 and 2008.  Not really any difference in arrangement.  Berkeley 2008 is nice.

*Long Highway - Portland 2001 (for Pottel on his day).
For Prairie Wedding I like Paris 2010.
For Piper I prefer 2010 to 2013, more energy
For KOG I liked it better in 2015 than 2013, more mature
For Speedway I prefer 2010 since I feel it is *the* song where Danny was better than Ianto
For WAM 2019 is also worth mentioning for the superb brass intro !
Agreed, despite the much maligned brass section they came to the fore on WAM.

It was a perfect time to play Metroland, they would have fitted that song.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: superval99 on November 16, 2021, 09:28:21 AM
I first.

May 8, 2013
5.15 AM Lódz - Atlas Arena

Back to Tupelo - Newcastle 2013

The version from Edinburgh is lovely too.

Back to Tupelo - Edinburgh 2005

I was very pleased when he played it in Edinburgh. I think I met you there Val?!

To answer your question, I guess there hasn't been as much variation in the MK solo years?

Dusty - I first met you in the queue for Hay-on-Sky, then in Edinburgh 2008.   :)

Yes, I suppose less variety in MK solo songs on tour, but a lot of variety on the albums.
I feel like we met in Edinburgh as well on year…


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

We also met in 2013 at the RAH.  I have nice picture of you, pint in hand at The Stanhope Arms! :)
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: NicoMK on November 16, 2021, 10:21:16 AM
What comes to my mind right now from Mark's solo tours (at least from those that I frequently listen)  :

Darling pretty : Vaison 1st and 2nd night
Why aye man : London 2002 third night or Newcastle 2010, which is very good too (even if I prefer the non-flute versions). I could enjoy some 2019 versions once in a while (I like the start and the extended violin part at the end).
What it is : Amsterdam 1st or 2nd night in 2005, I can't clearly remember but one has strong guitar solo and solid energy
True love will never fade : LA 2008 or Köln 2009
Junkie Doll : Nimes 2001
Romeo & Juliet : LA 2006
Sultans : Stockholm 96, RAH second night 1996 and Munich 11 april 2005 as a four-piece thing
Bonaparte : LA 2006 (great Stuart Duncan!)
Fade to black : Rio de Janeiro 2000
Everybody pays : La Brasserie 2004
Speedway : for me, the MK-EH DVD version from LA 2006 is unmatched but Indianapolis 2005, Nashville 2005 or Paris 2005 are very good too… or any 2006-2008 version I guess  ;D. I prefer the non-flute rendition for this song too.
Telegraph Road : Paris 2005 or Munich 2005, Nashville same year is very well played too.
Brothers in arms : London 3rd night 2002. Toronto 2001 sounds good as well and Hamburg 1996 too.
Are we in trouble now : RAH second night 1996 or one from the Hillbillies shows at the Shepherd Bush in May 1997 which has an extended solo that goes kinda crescendo. Love it.
The long highway : Vaison 1996 or Copenhagen, both excellent.
Going home : Bolzano 2008 or Vaison 1996
Piper to the end (aah Piper…) : Lucca 2010

And so many more "dream" songs… that will never be played live…  :disbelief
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dmg on November 16, 2021, 12:33:20 PM
BIA from Toronto, Massey Hall 2001 and also RAH 23rd May 1996 were both excellent.

From time to time I'll go back and listen to that original live arrangement and really enjoy it.  The ending always seems more powerful.

Philadelphia is my favourite version from that Toronto show too.

Agree with you Niko about Darling Pretty and love the version from Vaison 1st night best.

Forgot about the excellent Junkie Doll.  Vienna 2001 is great.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: NicoMK on November 16, 2021, 01:32:50 PM
Telegraph Road : Paris 2005 or Munich 2005, Nashville same year is very well played too.

Sorry if I quote myself  ;D but thinking of it, some Telegraph Road versions from 1996 were good too. Which ones? They were close so I should listen to some stuff from 1996 again but, back in the days I listened to that tour so much that I felt that I knew every moment of every recording by heart. Still, for me in terms of enjoyment (from MK) and setlist, it remains MK's best tour from his solo years.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Knopflerfan on November 17, 2021, 09:21:46 AM
I first.

May 8, 2013
5.15 AM Lódz - Atlas Arena

Back to Tupelo - Newcastle 2013

The version from Edinburgh is lovely too.

Back to Tupelo - Edinburgh 2005

I was very pleased when he played it in Edinburgh. I think I met you there Val?!

To answer your question, I guess there hasn't been as much variation in the MK solo years?

Dusty - I first met you in the queue for Hay-on-Sky, then in Edinburgh 2008.   :)

Yes, I suppose less variety in MK solo songs on tour, but a lot of variety on the albums.
I feel like we met in Edinburgh as well on year…


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We also met in 2013 at the RAH.  I have nice picture of you, pint in hand at The Stanhope Arms! :)
Ooooh the Stanhope arms - the AMIT pub!!!!
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dmg on November 17, 2021, 12:56:25 PM


We also met in 2013 at the RAH.  I have nice picture of you, pint in hand at The Stanhope Arms! :)
Ooooh the Stanhope arms - the AMIT pub!!!!

It should rightly have a blue plaque stating: "AMIT met here 2005-2019."   ;D
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 17, 2021, 01:05:35 PM


We also met in 2013 at the RAH.  I have nice picture of you, pint in hand at The Stanhope Arms! :)
Ooooh the Stanhope arms - the AMIT pub!!!!

It should rightly have a blue plaque stating: "AMIT met here 2005-2019."   ;D

I always liked seeing the Benny Hill blue plaque on the way from the Stanhope to RAH.

He'll probably get cancelled and it will be removed.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Pottel on November 17, 2021, 01:34:54 PM
What comes to my mind right now from Mark's solo tours (at least from those that I frequently listen)  :

Darling pretty : Vaison 1st and 2nd night
Why aye man : London 2002 third night or Newcastle 2010, which is very good too (even if I prefer the non-flute versions). I could enjoy some 2019 versions once in a while (I like the start and the extended violin part at the end).
What it is : Amsterdam 1st or 2nd night in 2005, I can't clearly remember but one has strong guitar solo and solid energy
True love will never fade : LA 2008 or Köln 2009
Junkie Doll : Nimes 2001
Romeo & Juliet : LA 2006
Sultans : Stockholm 96, RAH second night 1996 and Munich 11 april 2005 as a four-piece thing
Bonaparte : LA 2006 (great Stuart Duncan!)
Fade to black : Rio de Janeiro 2000
Everybody pays : La Brasserie 2004
Speedway : for me, the MK-EH DVD version from LA 2006 is unmatched but Indianapolis 2005, Nashville 2005 or Paris 2005 are very good too… or any 2006-2008 version I guess  ;D. I prefer the non-flute rendition for this song too.
Telegraph Road : Paris 2005 or Munich 2005, Nashville same year is very well played too.
Brothers in arms : London 3rd night 2002. Toronto 2001 sounds good as well and Hamburg 1996 too.
Are we in trouble now : RAH second night 1996 or one from the Hillbillies shows at the Shepherd Bush in May 1997 which has an extended solo that goes kinda crescendo. Love it.
The long highway : Vaison 1996 or Copenhagen, both excellent.
Going home : Bolzano 2008 or Vaison 1996
Piper to the end (aah Piper…) : Lucca 2010

And so many more "dream" songs… that will never be played live…  :disbelief
for long highway i gotta correct you, check the OES tour opener show
BIA. toronto, indeed! as it also holds the best STP version
Everybody pays "la brasserie" would that be the belgian radio show thing?
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Pottel on November 17, 2021, 01:35:48 PM


We also met in 2013 at the RAH.  I have nice picture of you, pint in hand at The Stanhope Arms! :)
Ooooh the Stanhope arms - the AMIT pub!!!!

It should rightly have a blue plaque stating: "AMIT met here 2005-2019."   ;D

I always liked seeing the Benny Hill blue plaque on the way from the Stanhope to RAH.

He'll probably get cancelled and it will be removed.
i panicked, reading all these comments unfocused and initially thought the Stanhope is being demolished, lol
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Knopflerfan on November 18, 2021, 09:37:01 AM


We also met in 2013 at the RAH.  I have nice picture of you, pint in hand at The Stanhope Arms! :)
Ooooh the Stanhope arms - the AMIT pub!!!!

It should rightly have a blue plaque stating: "AMIT met here 2005-2019."   ;D

I always liked seeing the Benny Hill blue plaque on the way from the Stanhope to RAH.

He'll probably get cancelled and it will be removed.


Oooh yes indeed, the Benny Hill Plaque.....
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: NicoMK on November 25, 2021, 04:56:21 PM
for long highway i gotta correct you, check the OES tour opener show
BIA. toronto, indeed! as it also holds the best STP version
Everybody pays "la brasserie" would that be the belgian radio show thing?

Completely forgot about that version of "The long highway" that I might have heard 25 years ago, thanks for the reminder  ;D

Overall I still prefer the 1996 versions but I admit it's cool, especially the end when the band starts to play again. When I compare the OES opening show's amazing setlist with the ultra-static set of the second part of the tour, I can't help thinking that people who attended the very first shows were lucky.

Yep la Brasserie was a promo show. To my knowledge it's the first and only time that Everybody pays was played and I liked it -- drums helped  ;D -- Mark forgot the lyrics at some point and Guy helped him.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dmg on November 25, 2021, 06:50:23 PM
for long highway i gotta correct you, check the OES tour opener show
BIA. toronto, indeed! as it also holds the best STP version
Everybody pays "la brasserie" would that be the belgian radio show thing?

Completely forgot about that version of "The long highway" that I might have heard 25 years ago, thanks for the reminder  ;D

Overall I still prefer the 1996 versions but I admit it's cool, especially the end when the band starts to play again. When I compare the OES opening show's amazing setlist with the ultra-static set of the second part of the tour, I can't help thinking that people who attended the very first shows were lucky.

Yep la Brasserie was a promo show. To my knowledge it's the first and only time that Everybody pays was played and I liked it -- drums helped  ;D -- Mark forgot the lyrics at some point and Guy helped him.

It was also played on the Ken Bruce show, another promo at around the same time - much better version.  That Belgian one was pretty embarrassing!  :-[
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Pottel on November 25, 2021, 10:02:57 PM
for long highway i gotta correct you, check the OES tour opener show
BIA. toronto, indeed! as it also holds the best STP version
Everybody pays "la brasserie" would that be the belgian radio show thing?

Completely forgot about that version of "The long highway" that I might have heard 25 years ago, thanks for the reminder  ;D

Overall I still prefer the 1996 versions but I admit it's cool, especially the end when the band starts to play again. When I compare the OES opening show's amazing setlist with the ultra-static set of the second part of the tour, I can't help thinking that people who attended the very first shows were lucky.

Yep la Brasserie was a promo show. To my knowledge it's the first and only time that Everybody pays was played and I liked it -- drums helped  ;D -- Mark forgot the lyrics at some point and Guy helped him.

It was also played on the Ken Bruce show, another promo at around the same time - much better version.  That Belgian one was pretty embarrassing!  :-[
are you dissing belgium here friend?
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dmg on November 25, 2021, 11:59:41 PM
for long highway i gotta correct you, check the OES tour opener show
BIA. toronto, indeed! as it also holds the best STP version
Everybody pays "la brasserie" would that be the belgian radio show thing?

Completely forgot about that version of "The long highway" that I might have heard 25 years ago, thanks for the reminder  ;D

Overall I still prefer the 1996 versions but I admit it's cool, especially the end when the band starts to play again. When I compare the OES opening show's amazing setlist with the ultra-static set of the second part of the tour, I can't help thinking that people who attended the very first shows were lucky.

Yep la Brasserie was a promo show. To my knowledge it's the first and only time that Everybody pays was played and I liked it -- drums helped  ;D -- Mark forgot the lyrics at some point and Guy helped him.

It was also played on the Ken Bruce show, another promo at around the same time - much better version.  That Belgian one was pretty embarrassing!  :-[
are you dissing belgium here friend?

Ha ha, probably demolished too much of your delicious chocolate pre-show!   ;)
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Pottel on November 26, 2021, 08:38:59 AM
for long highway i gotta correct you, check the OES tour opener show
BIA. toronto, indeed! as it also holds the best STP version
Everybody pays "la brasserie" would that be the belgian radio show thing?

Completely forgot about that version of "The long highway" that I might have heard 25 years ago, thanks for the reminder  ;D

Overall I still prefer the 1996 versions but I admit it's cool, especially the end when the band starts to play again. When I compare the OES opening show's amazing setlist with the ultra-static set of the second part of the tour, I can't help thinking that people who attended the very first shows were lucky.

Yep la Brasserie was a promo show. To my knowledge it's the first and only time that Everybody pays was played and I liked it -- drums helped  ;D -- Mark forgot the lyrics at some point and Guy helped him.

It was also played on the Ken Bruce show, another promo at around the same time - much better version.  That Belgian one was pretty embarrassing!  :-[
are you dissing belgium here friend?

Ha ha, probably demolished too much of your delicious chocolate pre-show!   ;)
fully understandable. now add the beer and it all becomes obvious
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: NicoMK on November 26, 2021, 10:03:51 AM
for long highway i gotta correct you, check the OES tour opener show
BIA. toronto, indeed! as it also holds the best STP version
Everybody pays "la brasserie" would that be the belgian radio show thing?

Completely forgot about that version of "The long highway" that I might have heard 25 years ago, thanks for the reminder  ;D

Overall I still prefer the 1996 versions but I admit it's cool, especially the end when the band starts to play again. When I compare the OES opening show's amazing setlist with the ultra-static set of the second part of the tour, I can't help thinking that people who attended the very first shows were lucky.

Yep la Brasserie was a promo show. To my knowledge it's the first and only time that Everybody pays was played and I liked it -- drums helped  ;D -- Mark forgot the lyrics at some point and Guy helped him.

It was also played on the Ken Bruce show, another promo at around the same time - much better version.  That Belgian one was pretty embarrassing!  :-[

Are you talking about the Abbey Road studio thing ? Never heard about it (or maybe completely forgot about it), thanks for pointing out (and with the right drummer again) !

Will listen to the full show tonight at home. Sounds good  ;D
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dmg on November 26, 2021, 12:34:34 PM
for long highway i gotta correct you, check the OES tour opener show
BIA. toronto, indeed! as it also holds the best STP version
Everybody pays "la brasserie" would that be the belgian radio show thing?

Completely forgot about that version of "The long highway" that I might have heard 25 years ago, thanks for the reminder  ;D

Overall I still prefer the 1996 versions but I admit it's cool, especially the end when the band starts to play again. When I compare the OES opening show's amazing setlist with the ultra-static set of the second part of the tour, I can't help thinking that people who attended the very first shows were lucky.

Yep la Brasserie was a promo show. To my knowledge it's the first and only time that Everybody pays was played and I liked it -- drums helped  ;D -- Mark forgot the lyrics at some point and Guy helped him.

It was also played on the Ken Bruce show, another promo at around the same time - much better version.  That Belgian one was pretty embarrassing!  :-[

Are you talking about the Abbey Road studio thing ? Never heard about it (or maybe completely forgot about it), thanks for pointing out (and with the right drummer again) !

Will listen to the full show tonight at home. Sounds good  ;D

I think it was recorded live at Abbey Rd and broadcast on the Ken Bruce show along with some other songs:

Boom, Like That
Everybody Pays
Brothers In Arms
Wild Theme

Was about 3 weeks after the Belgian show in October 2004.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 26, 2021, 02:35:37 PM
I stuck my recording on YT a while back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSYzLHKmVWc
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: dmg on November 26, 2021, 07:36:56 PM
Good man!   :thumbsup

That good old standby Sonny Liston played too.  How did I forget.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Vesper on November 26, 2021, 07:48:54 PM
for long highway i gotta correct you, check the OES tour opener show
BIA. toronto, indeed! as it also holds the best STP version
Everybody pays "la brasserie" would that be the belgian radio show thing?

Completely forgot about that version of "The long highway" that I might have heard 25 years ago, thanks for the reminder  ;D

Overall I still prefer the 1996 versions but I admit it's cool, especially the end when the band starts to play again. When I compare the OES opening show's amazing setlist with the ultra-static set of the second part of the tour, I can't help thinking that people who attended the very first shows were lucky.

Yep la Brasserie was a promo show. To my knowledge it's the first and only time that Everybody pays was played and I liked it -- drums helped  ;D -- Mark forgot the lyrics at some point and Guy helped him.

It was also played on the Ken Bruce show, another promo at around the same time - much better version.  That Belgian one was pretty embarrassing!  :-[

Haven't listened to these in ages, very nice to rediscover.
Does anyone know who played in the band on these concerts?
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: MagicElliott on November 27, 2021, 12:25:22 AM
What comes to my mind right now from Mark's solo tours (at least from those that I frequently listen)  :

Darling pretty : Vaison 1st and 2nd night
Why aye man : London 2002 third night or Newcastle 2010, which is very good too (even if I prefer the non-flute versions). I could enjoy some 2019 versions once in a while (I like the start and the extended violin part at the end).
What it is : Amsterdam 1st or 2nd night in 2005, I can't clearly remember but one has strong guitar solo and solid energy
True love will never fade : LA 2008 or Köln 2009
Junkie Doll : Nimes 2001
Romeo & Juliet : LA 2006
Sultans : Stockholm 96, RAH second night 1996 and Munich 11 april 2005 as a four-piece thing
Bonaparte : LA 2006 (great Stuart Duncan!)
Fade to black : Rio de Janeiro 2000
Everybody pays : La Brasserie 2004
Speedway : for me, the MK-EH DVD version from LA 2006 is unmatched but Indianapolis 2005, Nashville 2005 or Paris 2005 are very good too… or any 2006-2008 version I guess  ;D. I prefer the non-flute rendition for this song too.
Telegraph Road : Paris 2005 or Munich 2005, Nashville same year is very well played too.
Brothers in arms : London 3rd night 2002. Toronto 2001 sounds good as well and Hamburg 1996 too.
Are we in trouble now : RAH second night 1996 or one from the Hillbillies shows at the Shepherd Bush in May 1997 which has an extended solo that goes kinda crescendo. Love it.
The long highway : Vaison 1996 or Copenhagen, both excellent.
Going home : Bolzano 2008 or Vaison 1996
Piper to the end (aah Piper…) : Lucca 2010

And so many more "dream" songs… that will never be played live…  :disbelief
for long highway i gotta correct you, check the OES tour opener show
BIA. toronto, indeed! as it also holds the best STP version
Everybody pays "la brasserie" would that be the belgian radio show thing?

I had no idea that Everybody Pays was ever performed live. Found it on YouTube as a audio recording of just that song. I prefer the studio album. Drums too heavy for it IMO. Sounds like Danny’s drumming to me-how much heavier would it have been if Ianto was drumming?!?

Organ was fab but it’s an organ song so I’d expect it to be. (Very Whiter Shade of Pale) 
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: NicoMK on November 27, 2021, 12:43:01 AM
Apparently it's a four piece band so assuming we have Guy and Danny (yes it's Danny on the drums), who's the fourth one? I hear no bass at all but some mandoline during Everybody pays so I guess that's it's Bobby Valentino.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: MagicElliott on November 27, 2021, 10:27:50 AM
Mandolin over bass is an interesting choice. ESP for someone as fussy as MK.
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: cannibals on February 22, 2022, 04:40:30 PM
https://youtu.be/oJhYtGO0GAk

This was just uploaded on youtube. MK live Berlin 1996.
Great setlist….
Title: Re: Favourite Tour Versions?
Post by: Klaus74 on February 22, 2022, 10:51:39 PM
Just for the moment.

Telegraph Road, MK-Version from Golden Heart Tour Hamburg Stadtpark 1996. Really bad-ass performance, to me THE BEST version of TR EVER. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Water of love, MK-Version from Golden Heart Tour Vaison, France 1996, really chilling and chreamy guitar. An extraordinary performance of that song.
So Far Away, DS-Version from BIA-Tour, Sydney Australia 1986, the well known Calpyso-Version. Unbeatable
Je suis desolee, MK-Version from Golden Heart Tour, various concerts, brilliant song and composition anyway.
Money For Nothing, MK-Version from STP-Worldtour, various concerts, very thrilling bottleneck-intro performance. Brilliant.

Hmm, that is all for the moment.