A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Knopflerfan on December 31, 2021, 07:57:57 PM
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Onwards to round 7 - Off you go!
Happy New Year wishes to AMIT members.... :wave :wave
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Happy New Year everyone! :wave
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Happy New Year everyone! :wave
Happy New Year Mr & Mrs Superval... :wave
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Happy new year to all of you! Wishing a real good year with new stuff from MK!
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Happy new year to all of you! Wishing a real good year with new stuff from MK!
Yes! :thumbsup
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Happy new year to all of you! Wishing a real good year with new stuff from MK!
And to you too jbaent. Oooh yes for some new stuff from 'The Master'
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Happy new year everyone. :wave
May 2022 have some new MK Music for us.
I closed 2021 with some old DS music.
Put on Tunnel of Love, Telegraph Road, You and your friend and Brothers in Arms.
Now on to Round 7. Get lucky or Shangri La?
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Pooooh that's a tough one.
Shangri La is soundwise very good. Some live feeling on it.
Put has also some skippers on it. Some lame tracks. The album would have been better as a 11 or 12 tracker.
Normally I would vote for GL but the bonus tracks are superb. All of them.
Do you enclosed the Bonus tracks into the album when you vote?
Or do you only rate the pure album itself?
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I only rate the album, as the bonus tracks were left out of it.
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Now on to Round 7. Get lucky or Shangri La?
StP!!!
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Rate only the Album...The bonus material was extra
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Happy New Year everyone! :wave
Thanks for all your great threads, discussions, pics etc.
It's always been a treat to come here. Best place for MK fans on the web!
Let's hope for great new music coming from our hero.
Stay safe my friends!
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really 3 great albums, I vote sadly for SL, 515am is one of my favourite song of all time, like One song at a time,or sonny liston, trawlerman's song, sucker row and sure our shangri-la but I think that get lucky and sailing to philadelphia are MK's albums 'must'. what it is . sailing to philadelphia, the last laugh. silvertown blues. speedway at nazareth. get lucky. so far from the clyde. piper to the end. remembrance day. border reiver..are among the best songs Mark has ever written and played in his solo journey :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap
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Happy New Year to everyone, all fans... :wave
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To all the Shangri-La lovers : sorry in advance guys but for me it's the one that has to go now.
HNY all!
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Get Lucky eliminated is a big joke, I have to say.
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Get Lucky eliminated is a big joke, I have to say.
Absolutely, it’s such a well crafted album. I think it’s the only album where I feel the time spent paid off. With some of the others, I do feel a bit “I do like this album but can’t believe it took four months of Mark and Guy being in the studio before they even started the band sessions.”
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Get Lucky eliminated is a big joke, I have to say.
It's not quite over yet.
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Still can't believe what I'm seeing with the votes so far..... :hmm
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Get Lucky eliminated is a big joke, I have to say.
It's not quite over yet.
Still just under 4 days to go so you never know....
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Get Lucky eliminated is a big joke, I have to say.
It's not quite over yet.
Still just under 4 days to go so you never know....
I plan to create 4 ghost accounts before the deadline and terminate Shangri-La. 8)
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Now it's a ladder.
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Now it's a ladder.
:o :o
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I have seen some serious trolling in this forum over the years, but never quite seen something quite like this. Get Lucky goes from being the least voted album (along with STP) in every round and now gets eliminated against an album that was almost eliminated in the previous 2 rounds.
It's just a poll in a forum, nobody cares much, but there is certainly a comical element to these voting sessions.
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I have seen some serious trolling in this forum over the years, but never quite seen something quite like this. Get Lucky goes from being the least voted album (along with STP) in every round and now gets eliminated against an album that was almost eliminated in the previous 2 rounds.
It's just a poll in a forum, nobody cares much, but there is certainly a comical element to these voting sessions.
Not really, that’s just the way it works when your favourite album is eliminated, you have to vote for something different.
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I have seen some serious trolling in this forum over the years, but never quite seen something quite like this. Get Lucky goes from being the least voted album (along with STP) in every round and now gets eliminated against an album that was almost eliminated in the previous 2 rounds.
It's just a poll in a forum, nobody cares much, but there is certainly a comical element to these voting sessions.
Not really, that’s just the way it works when your favourite album is eliminated, you have to vote for something different.
It is actually a bit of fun at the end of the day - interesting nonetheless!!!
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Interesting read here. I always thought, that "Get lucky" was his weakest album (although weak is not really a good adjective in connection with MK). But anyway, I always thought it that way. Apart from the songs, I especially see no convincing and/or interesting narrative, that goes along with the album. But I'm ready to give it a re-listen and think it over. Maybe some GL-fan on this forum could give me some more arguments, why GL is better than other MK-albums, I'm really curious.
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Interesting read here. I always thought, that "Get lucky" was his weakest album (although weak is not really a good adjective in connection with MK). But anyway, I always thought it that way. Apart from the songs, I especially see no convincing and/or interesting narrative, that goes along with the album. But I'm ready to give it a re-listen and think it over. Maybe some GL-fan on this forum could give me some more arguments, why GL is better than other MK-albums, I'm really curious.
I agree. 4 good songs on it out of 11 for me, Piper being a MK classic. The bonus tracks are dreadful except for the forgettable Early Bird.
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I really like Good as Gold and Pulling Down the Ride, but I don’t think we should be basing our choices on bonus tracks.
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Get Lucky eliminated is a big joke, I have to say.
agreed.
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I agree. 4 good songs on it out of 11 for me, Piper being a MK classic. The bonus tracks are dreadful except for the forgettable Early Bird.
If by classic you mean "X times played live" then "Bonaparte" is a mega-classic ;D
More seriously, Border Reiver, Before gas and TV, Cleaning my gun, Get lucky, Remembrance Day (with the kids choir), So far from the Clyde (maybe the best track of the album, SHAME it has never been played live :disbelief ) and Piper to the end are all great songs if not classics. And I haven't mentioned the bonuses, Early bird for instance. The only "weak" song of the album would be "Monteleone" for me. It's a nice tribute to the man in question though.
But again, it all depends of our own tastes.
Get lucky being out, I'm off for the final poll ;D -- and contrary to the DS poll, I have to admit that the winner is known already this time.
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I really like Good as Gold and Pulling Down the Ride, but I don’t think we should be basing our choices on bonus tracks.
Absolutely agree. They both should have been on MK album.
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I really like Good as Gold and Pulling Down the Ride, but I don’t think we should be basing our choices on bonus tracks.
No, quite agree and I haven't included them in any of my choices.
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I agree. 4 good songs on it out of 11 for me, Piper being a MK classic. The bonus tracks are dreadful except for the forgettable Early Bird.
If by classic you mean "X times played live" then "Bonaparte" is a mega-classic ;D
More seriously, Border Reiver, Before gas and TV, Cleaning my gun, Get lucky, Remembrance Day (with the kids choir), So far from the Clyde (maybe the best track of the album, SHAME it has never been played live :disbelief ) and Piper to the end are all great songs if not classics. And I haven't mentioned the bonuses, Early bird for instance. The only "weak" song of the album would be "Monteleone" for me. It's a nice tribute to the man in question though.
But again, it all depends of our own tastes.
Get lucky being out, I'm off for the final poll ;D -- and contrary to the DS poll, I have to admit that the winner is known already this time.
Well let's be clear what is meant by a "classic" and by a "MK classic". There's a proper classic anyone would recognise like MFN or a MK classic like Piper or StP that only really people from inside the MK fanbase recognise. I don't really think Mark has a real classic from his solo career - nobody would recognise any of the songs! We may rate them, but must admit that to the general public and world music that a song like Before Gas is simply not a classic. Neither is Piper I'm sorry to say. MFN and BIA are, and so is WoL, despite how few people seem to like it on here. Yes, the least popular DS record has quite a few classics on it.
So is it popularity, quality, played live most? Well mostly popularity, but it has to have quality too to stand the test of time. I don't think being played live the most is a factor, although if the first two are inherent you'd expect it to be played often.
PS Criminal So Far From the Clyde was never played live. One of my favourites too.
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I didn't love GL as an album much when it came out, I think there are a couple of filler tracks on there. But there are some tracks that have grown on me like "The Car Was The One" The production is great also and I love the guitar tones . Funnily enough I didn't care much for SL either when it came out. It wasn't until some years later that it really hit me and it became my favourite album. I think MK hit the perfect balance of songwriting/lyrics and interesting music. I remember playing it over and over in the car for about a year. Glad it's made it this far!
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I loved Border Reiver when I first heard, because it was such a fresh song compared with the rather low-key Crimson album. I never fell in love with the rest of GL, though. It has some lovely songs, but over all I almost never listen to it.
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I always thought that Get Lucky was the most perfect record MK has done, except for the blues, all the songs flow quietly and there is not a single bad song on it, all songs are beautiful, perfectly arranged and sum all what MK wanted to be as a solo artist, and in this record, he manages to show it. It's like all his previous records were the steps that would lead him into that perfection, and the next ones, trying to achieve something else.
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The lyrics on SL are incredible, maybe even the best amongst his solo work, but I don't understand many productional choices. The sound of the record is superb, but the pace is too slow for my taste (5:15, Trawler, Everybody Pays, and definitely BLT should all have been more uptempo). Whoop is a skipper for me, and I can't understand the tracklist, which tends to make the record even more sluggish: 'Everybody Pays' after 'Our Shangri-La' (same key, organ vibe more or less the same), 'All That Matters' followed by 'Stand Up Guy' (same feel and the only two songs without drums). One last complaint: worst artwork of all his records.
Obviously, I voted for SL this round, but I should note that GL has a special place in my heart. STP is my all-time favorite MK record, but GL has that special touch I can't explain, definitely the most emotional for me.
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The lyrics on SL are incredible, maybe even the best amongst his solo work, but I don't understand many productional choices. The sound of the record is superb, but the pace is too slow for my taste (5:15, Trawler, Everybody Pays, and definitely BLT should all have been more uptempo). Whoop is a skipper for me, and I can't understand the tracklist, which tends to make the record even more sluggish: 'Everybody Pays' after 'Our Shangri-La' (same key, organ vibe more or less the same), 'All That Matters' followed by 'Stand Up Guy' (same feel and the only two songs without drums). One last complaint: worst artwork of all his records.
Obviously, I voted for SL this round, but I should note that GL has a special place in my heart. STP is my all-time favorite MK record, but GL has that special touch I can't explain, definitely the most emotional for me.
I know many, if not most, here, disagree with me, but I think all Mark's solo albums are too long. You feel it particulary on albums like SL which only has slow and medium tempo songs. As soon as you cross the 50-minute mark, the album has to be very strong for me to digest in one sitting.
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The lyrics on SL are incredible, maybe even the best amongst his solo work, but I don't understand many productional choices. The sound of the record is superb, but the pace is too slow for my taste (5:15, Trawler, Everybody Pays, and definitely BLT should all have been more uptempo). Whoop is a skipper for me, and I can't understand the tracklist, which tends to make the record even more sluggish: 'Everybody Pays' after 'Our Shangri-La' (same key, organ vibe more or less the same), 'All That Matters' followed by 'Stand Up Guy' (same feel and the only two songs without drums). One last complaint: worst artwork of all his records.
Obviously, I voted for SL this round, but I should note that GL has a special place in my heart. STP is my all-time favorite MK record, but GL has that special touch I can't explain, definitely the most emotional for me.
I agree with this opinion. The pacing is very slow and it just feels uninspired for some reason. Although, I have to say Boom, Like That is an absolute masterpiece and would be worth the price of the album alone. I also like Postcards From Paraguay, but when I listen to the album as a one piece it doesn't feel cohesive and I can't resist but skip many of the tracks.
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The lyrics on SL are incredible, maybe even the best amongst his solo work, but I don't understand many productional choices. The sound of the record is superb, but the pace is too slow for my taste (5:15, Trawler, Everybody Pays, and definitely BLT should all have been more uptempo). Whoop is a skipper for me, and I can't understand the tracklist, which tends to make the record even more sluggish: 'Everybody Pays' after 'Our Shangri-La' (same key, organ vibe more or less the same), 'All That Matters' followed by 'Stand Up Guy' (same feel and the only two songs without drums). One last complaint: worst artwork of all his records.
Obviously, I voted for SL this round, but I should note that GL has a special place in my heart. STP is my all-time favorite MK record, but GL has that special touch I can't explain, definitely the most emotional for me.
I agree there is an emotional element to GL which is why it's my ultimate MK album. I also agree with you partly with regards SL but I really cannot find fault with any of the tracks on it....
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The lyrics on SL are incredible, maybe even the best amongst his solo work, but I don't understand many productional choices. The sound of the record is superb, but the pace is too slow for my taste (5:15, Trawler, Everybody Pays, and definitely BLT should all have been more uptempo). Whoop is a skipper for me, and I can't understand the tracklist, which tends to make the record even more sluggish: 'Everybody Pays' after 'Our Shangri-La' (same key, organ vibe more or less the same), 'All That Matters' followed by 'Stand Up Guy' (same feel and the only two songs without drums). One last complaint: worst artwork of all his records.
Obviously, I voted for SL this round, but I should note that GL has a special place in my heart. STP is my all-time favorite MK record, but GL has that special touch I can't explain, definitely the most emotional for me.
I know many, if not most, here, disagree with me, but I think all Mark's solo albums are too long. You feel it particulary on albums like SL which only has slow and medium tempo songs. As soon as you cross the 50-minute mark, the album has to be very strong for me to digest in one sitting.
Ooooh for me the longer the better! I personally wouldn't want a 'snippet' of an album from MK......
My philosophy with regards listening to MK - one should not be in a rush for the ending in fact one must savour each and every minute of listening to the Master.....
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I always thought that Get Lucky was the most perfect record MK has done, except for the blues, all the songs flow quietly and there is not a single bad song on it, all songs are beautiful, perfectly arranged and sum all what MK wanted to be as a solo artist, and in this record, he manages to show it. It's like all his previous records were the steps that would lead him into that perfection, and the next ones, trying to achieve something else.
I even warm to the Blues tracks these days.....But like you say GL is in every way - perfect.....
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I always thought that Get Lucky was the most perfect record MK has done, except for the blues, all the songs flow quietly and there is not a single bad song on it, all songs are beautiful, perfectly arranged and sum all what MK wanted to be as a solo artist, and in this record, he manages to show it. It's like all his previous records were the steps that would lead him into that perfection, and the next ones, trying to achieve something else.
I even warm to the Blues tracks these days.....But like you say GL is in every way - perfect.....
Yep. But it's virtually out by now…
About Shangri-La, I agree with what was said above : it's a tad slow for me, even if I like it overall.
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I always thought that Get Lucky was the most perfect record MK has done, except for the blues, all the songs flow quietly and there is not a single bad song on it, all songs are beautiful, perfectly arranged and sum all what MK wanted to be as a solo artist, and in this record, he manages to show it. It's like all his previous records were the steps that would lead him into that perfection, and the next ones, trying to achieve something else.
Great post! I remember Guy saying he thought YCBTH didn’t quite fit in with the rest of the album but obviously not his decision. The lyrics and the guitar are so rich.
BR is a lovely Celtic opener, SFFTC and CMG have great guitar, PTTE/Monteleone/BGAT all have lovely well crafted lyrics.
It’s a super album.
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I always thought that Get Lucky was the most perfect record MK has done, except for the blues, all the songs flow quietly and there is not a single bad song on it, all songs are beautiful, perfectly arranged and sum all what MK wanted to be as a solo artist, and in this record, he manages to show it. It's like all his previous records were the steps that would lead him into that perfection, and the next ones, trying to achieve something else.
Great post! I remember Guy saying he thought YCBTH didn’t quite fit in with the rest of the album but obviously not his decision. The lyrics and the guitar are so rich.
BR is a lovely Celtic opener, SFFTC and CMG have great guitar, PTTE/Monteleone/BGAT all have lovely well crafted lyrics.
It’s a super album.
@MagicElliott - I agree with your post entirely, but the acronyms drive me crazy! ;D
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I’m sorry!! Sometimes I read posts on here and have to look up the albums to work out which song the poster means. I always felt guilty for that though as I assumed that everyone else’s knowledge of MK’s catalogues was much greater than mine.
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I’m sorry!! Sometimes I read posts on here and have to look up the albums to work out which song the poster means. I always felt guilty for that though as I assumed that everyone else’s knowledge of MK’s catalogues was much greater than mine.
I can confirm it's hard to grasp even for get-a-lifers like me :lol I think it's better to use shortened one word versions of song names, like Romeo, Paraguay, Clyde, Piper, Gas & TV. They use this method to write down setlists for the show themselves.
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I’m sorry!! Sometimes I read posts on here and have to look up the albums to work out which song the poster means. I always felt guilty for that though as I assumed that everyone else’s knowledge of MK’s catalogues was much greater than mine.
That's OK! :) I do know the songs on the albums very well, but I still have to look them up for some of the titles - mainly those that are not mentioned a lot. Incidentally, I'm just as guilty of doing the same thing with acronyms, especially when I'm in a hurry! Note to myself! ;D
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New 2022 rule : acronym-ers will suffer a lifetime ban from the forum. ;D
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I’m sorry!! Sometimes I read posts on here and have to look up the albums to work out which song the poster means. I always felt guilty for that though as I assumed that everyone else’s knowledge of MK’s catalogues was much greater than mine.
That's OK! :) I do know the songs on the albums very well, but I still have to look them up for some of the titles - mainly those that are not mentioned a lot. Incidentally, I'm just as guilty of doing the same thing with acronyms, especially when I'm in a hurry! Note to myself! ;D
You’re lucky I didn’t just do M for Monteleone!!
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I’m sorry!! Sometimes I read posts on here and have to look up the albums to work out which song the poster means. I always felt guilty for that though as I assumed that everyone else’s knowledge of MK’s catalogues was much greater than mine.
That's OK! :) I do know the songs on the albums very well, but I still have to look them up for some of the titles - mainly those that are not mentioned a lot. Incidentally, I'm just as guilty of doing the same thing with acronyms, especially when I'm in a hurry! Note to myself! ;D
You’re lucky I didn’t just do M for Monteleone!!
:lol :lol
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The lyrics on SL are incredible, maybe even the best amongst his solo work, but I don't understand many productional choices. The sound of the record is superb, but the pace is too slow for my taste (5:15, Trawler, Everybody Pays, and definitely BLT should all have been more uptempo). Whoop is a skipper for me, and I can't understand the tracklist, which tends to make the record even more sluggish: 'Everybody Pays' after 'Our Shangri-La' (same key, organ vibe more or less the same), 'All That Matters' followed by 'Stand Up Guy' (same feel and the only two songs without drums). One last complaint: worst artwork of all his records.
Very good points here.
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Isn't it funny how we all see things differently?
For me, SL couldn't be better. The album sounds great to me. I love all the songs how they were recorded.
Whoob De Doo and all the other tracks perfectly reflect the relaxed atmosphere of this cozy vintage studio with all the lava lamps and embedded in a beautiful scenery.
Mark and his bandmates must have enjoyed this place a lot to bring out such great songs. My favourite album.
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Isn't it funny how we all see things differently?
For me, SL couldn't be better. The album sounds great to me. I love all the songs how they were recorded.
Whoob De Doo and all the other tracks perfectly reflect the relaxed atmosphere of this cozy vintage studio with all the lava lamps and embedded in a beautiful scenery.
Mark and his bandmates must have enjoyed this place a lot to bring out such great songs. My favourite album.
:clap :clap Exactly.
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Is round 8 still happening?
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Is round 8 still happening?
It's not needed, we already know the winner.
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Is round 8 still happening?
It's not needed, we already know the winner.
Do we?
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That's not the way a vote works, is it? :think
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Oh dear GL gets the boot, I'm guessing we are having a round 8?
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Is round 8 still happening?
It's not needed, we already know the winner.
Not necessarily...
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OK, then we need a new poll. How about the least favourite song of an album?
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OK, then we need a new poll. How about the least favourite song of an album?
:smack
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Let's vote for favourite tour
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We need to have Round 8 to vote which album is the winner before starting another poll.
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Yes, it is needed to finally see STP winning.
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I’m away for the weekend, feel free to start one!
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I’m away for the weekend, feel free to start one!
Right oh...
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We need to have Round 8 to vote which album is the winner before starting another poll.
Poll started... :wave
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OK, then we need a new poll. How about the least favourite song of an album?
How about an MK soundtrack/Collaborative albums poll next?
That would be a total of 12 Albums to sort!!
Soundtrack albums
Local Hero (1983)
Cal (1984)
Comfort and Joy (1984)
The Princess Bride (1987)
Last Exit to Brooklyn (1989)
Wag the Dog (1998)
Metroland (1999)
A Shot at Glory (2002)
Altamira (2016) with Evelyn Glennie
Collaborative Albums
Neck and Neck (1990) with Chet Atkins
All the Roadrunning (2006) with Emmylou Harris
Real Live Roadrunning (2006) with Emmylou Harris
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Imho, difficult to compare soundtracks with collaborations. Let the soundtracks compete on their own.
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Imho, difficult to compare soundtracks with collaborations. Let the soundtracks compete on their own.
I'm quite sure Local hero would win, and Altamira would be the first one to leave!
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Imho, difficult to compare soundtracks with collaborations. Let the soundtracks compete on their own.
I'm quite sure Local hero would win, and Altamira would be the first one to leave!
I second that guess ;D
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Imho, difficult to compare soundtracks with collaborations. Let the soundtracks compete on their own.
I'm quite sure Local hero would win, and Altamira would be the first one to leave!
I second that guess ;D
Not me, I love Altamira! :)
Ok, a soundtrack poll would be great.
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OK, then we need a new poll. How about the least favourite song of an album?
I'd like a "Favorite Tour" poll. And, as subjective as it is, we should give at least 3 reasons to justify our choice. And then debate. ;D
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Maybe a poll for which tour had the best overall guitar sound?
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Maybe a poll for which tour had the best overall guitar sound?
And a poll for the best loo break during R&J?!
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That's gonna be a great Collaboration poll - with all three of them....
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Maybe a poll for which tour had the best overall guitar sound?
And a poll for the best loo break during R&J?!
It has a winner too. A certain guy from Belgium!
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Maybe a poll for which tour had the best overall guitar sound?
And a poll for the best loo break during R&J?!
It has a winner too. A certain guy from Belgium!
Hahahaha!!!!
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Imho, difficult to compare soundtracks with collaborations. Let the soundtracks compete on their own.
I'm quite sure Local hero would win, and Altamira would be the first one to leave!
Wag the dog would be a good challenger I bet
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Imho, difficult to compare soundtracks with collaborations. Let the soundtracks compete on their own.
I'm quite sure Local hero would win, and Altamira would be the first one to leave!
Wag the dog would be a good challenger I bet
A Shot at Glory is awfully good too...