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Title: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: knopfler1 on July 28, 2022, 08:50:16 AM
 https://open.spotify.com/track/7lyTl4wzVFUDDL6m2cNTM3?si=ZBOjB2y4QTCLAgYgP3w8YQ&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A3Xg91n7GBrQnv1zXNzR3vB (https://open.spotify.com/track/7lyTl4wzVFUDDL6m2cNTM3?si=ZBOjB2y4QTCLAgYgP3w8YQ&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A3Xg91n7GBrQnv1zXNzR3vB)

Also looks like we’re getting another box set… Studio albums 2009-2018
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: holaknopfler on July 28, 2022, 09:22:13 AM
http://www.imwan.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=116801&p=3127438

Seems like a new boxset in October. What I’m reading this is a single or EP
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: holaknopfler on July 28, 2022, 09:26:34 AM
Another new song showed up. “Precious voice from heaven” it shows up in the list when you search Amazon uk
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 28, 2022, 10:13:46 AM
Nice track.

Get Lucky is the only one of these albums I don't have on vinyl so I'll be skipping this box.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Dutchessy on July 28, 2022, 10:51:36 AM
Vinyl release seems to be on 5 may 2023
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Dutchessy on July 28, 2022, 11:07:32 AM
Complete tracklist:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B6JNJS2N

Precious voice from heaven is bonus song 23 on Disc 5... Even below Back in The Day... That could mean its from 2018, or his new single from the forthcoming album?  ;) (the same thing they did with all the roadrunning on the Private Investigations compilation)
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 28, 2022, 11:12:49 AM
Vinyl release seems to be on 5 may 2023

Where is that from? Would make more sense as a pre Christmas release like last year.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Dutchessy on July 28, 2022, 11:18:04 AM
Vinyl release seems to be on 5 may 2023

Where is that from? Would make more sense as a pre Christmas release like last year.

Amazon UK
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Dutchessy on July 28, 2022, 11:18:35 AM
Can't find Precious voice of heaven in the ASCAP list... Kind of strange... maybe it's indeed a brand new song then (but then the description 2009-2018 is wrong)
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 28, 2022, 11:29:52 AM
Says October 2022 on my Amazon :)
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 28, 2022, 11:36:41 AM
https://www.amazon.co.uk/TBC/dp/B0B69WRHYL/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=knopfler+2018&qid=1659000814&sr=8-1

So Amazon says Oct 22 for CD and May 23 for vinyl.

Vinyl box is currently priced at £21 (!) (albeit marked as TBC) so I have ordered. Unlikely this will come off but worth a go!
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Dutchessy on July 28, 2022, 11:43:52 AM
Yes, but when you click on Vinyl there you see number of discs 1  :think
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 28, 2022, 12:02:50 PM
I have screenshotted the main page showing that price, worst thing that happens is they send me some junk I don't want and I send it back for a refund. :)
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Dutchessy on July 28, 2022, 12:08:03 PM
I have screenshotted the main page showing that price, worst thing that happens is they send me some junk I don't want and I send it back for a refund. :)

Or they can change the price when they say this price was a mistake?
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 28, 2022, 12:26:58 PM
I have screenshotted the main page showing that price, worst thing that happens is they send me some junk I don't want and I send it back for a refund. :)

Or they can change the price when they say this price was a mistake?

The most likley scenario, but worth a try.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on July 28, 2022, 12:28:19 PM
Complete tracklist:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B6JNJS2N

Precious voice from heaven is bonus song 23 on Disc 5... Even below Back in The Day... That could mean its from 2018, or his new single from the forthcoming album?  ;) (the same thing they did with all the roadrunning on the Private Investigations compilation)

They forgot about Hot Dog
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 28, 2022, 12:44:44 PM
Complete tracklist:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B6JNJS2N

Precious voice from heaven is bonus song 23 on Disc 5... Even below Back in The Day... That could mean its from 2018, or his new single from the forthcoming album?  ;) (the same thing they did with all the roadrunning on the Private Investigations compilation)

They forgot about Hot Dog

The first box didn't have every track either.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: quizzaciously on July 28, 2022, 12:47:02 PM
Well, Mark should've given this song to Van Morrison to sing. It sounds and feels like Van Morrison's song.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on July 28, 2022, 12:47:32 PM
Complete tracklist:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B6JNJS2N

Precious voice from heaven is bonus song 23 on Disc 5... Even below Back in The Day... That could mean its from 2018, or his new single from the forthcoming album?  ;) (the same thing they did with all the roadrunning on the Private Investigations compilation)

They forgot about Hot Dog

The first box didn't have every track either.

That's true. But if they gave Early Bird and Your Perfect Song why not Hot Dog.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 28, 2022, 12:48:31 PM
Complete tracklist:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B6JNJS2N

Precious voice from heaven is bonus song 23 on Disc 5... Even below Back in The Day... That could mean its from 2018, or his new single from the forthcoming album?  ;) (the same thing they did with all the roadrunning on the Private Investigations compilation)

They forgot about Hot Dog

The first box didn't have every track either.

That's true. But if they gave Early Bird and Your Perfect Song why not Hot Dog.

There is no rhyme nor reason to anything the MK team does.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: qjamesfloyd on July 28, 2022, 12:49:44 PM
They could have added Playtime Deluxe too, which would have been amazing, but I guess there was space issues, however, what a standalone album disc 5 is!!
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: quizzaciously on July 28, 2022, 12:53:11 PM
Complete tracklist:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B6JNJS2N

Precious voice from heaven is bonus song 23 on Disc 5... Even below Back in The Day... That could mean its from 2018, or his new single from the forthcoming album?  ;) (the same thing they did with all the roadrunning on the Private Investigations compilation)

I think it's really from 2018. And who knows how many songs they recorded but never released? This "Back In The Day" feels and sounds like a one-take thing. Requires 5 minutes to record, 5 minutes to mix it, and 5 minutes to listen to it.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: quizzaciously on July 28, 2022, 12:54:24 PM
They could have added Playtime Deluxe too, which would have been amazing, but I guess there was space issues, however, what a standalone album disc 5 is!!

This is a great bluesy song, I really want a better version of it. Really love this classic double-time blues number, I hope they recorded it in the studio.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Dutchessy on July 28, 2022, 01:07:03 PM
They could have added Playtime Deluxe too, which would have been amazing, but I guess there was space issues, however, what a standalone album disc 5 is!!

This is a great bluesy song, I really want a better version of it. Really love this classic double-time blues number, I hope they recorded it in the studio.

It's a cover from Fleetwood Mac (1968). So i think it was a one time live performance by MK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CRqBg7rxX4
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: knopfler1 on July 28, 2022, 01:09:44 PM
I have screenshotted the main page showing that price, worst thing that happens is they send me some junk I don't want and I send it back for a refund. :)

Or they can change the price when they say this price was a mistake?

The most likley scenario, but worth a try.

Looking through the options on Amazon. Vinyl box set is selectable with a price of £163.23 and a release date of October 7th 2022
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Knopflerfan on July 28, 2022, 01:25:31 PM
I'm not fussed about the Vinyl set this time round as I've got them all on Vinyl already. Not fussed about 'Back in the day' in fact I found it disappointing....
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Dutchessy on July 28, 2022, 03:52:29 PM
Precious voice from heaven is from Down the road wherever
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on July 28, 2022, 04:22:08 PM
Moving Up was an unknown title. And suddenly Precious Voice From Heaven :)
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: JF on July 28, 2022, 04:25:34 PM
Back in the day is now on YouTube :

https://youtu.be/QlHe7kz0lrk
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: naif on July 28, 2022, 04:34:26 PM
Now I don't want to sound like a killjoy and a negative person, but I don't think there is any point in publishing a song like this. I mean there's no melody, there's no punch. It's like elevator music :)

The most important thing Mark has now at his age is his legacy. So I think he should maintain the quality. If there's a bonus track, it should be like Dont Suck Me In, Long Highway, Claim to Fame, Camerado.

Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: jbaent on July 28, 2022, 04:51:31 PM
Complete tracklist:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B6JNJS2N

Precious voice from heaven is bonus song 23 on Disc 5... Even below Back in The Day... That could mean its from 2018, or his new single from the forthcoming album?  ;) (the same thing they did with all the roadrunning on the Private Investigations compilation)

They forgot about Hot Dog

The first box didn't have every track either.

Which ones were not in the first box?
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dustyvalentino on July 28, 2022, 05:00:50 PM
Hmm, OK I guess they were all there, I had it in my head somehow that something had been left off but I guess not, other than live versions.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: goon525 on July 28, 2022, 05:48:42 PM
Is it possible that the May 23 date referred to will turn out to be the release date of the new album?
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Dutchessy on July 28, 2022, 06:11:10 PM
Is it possible that the May 23 date referred to will turn out to be the release date of the new album?

Why do you think that?
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on July 28, 2022, 06:23:16 PM
Hmm, OK I guess they were all there, I had it in my head somehow that something had been left off but I guess not, other than live versions.

I was subconsciously thinking about Do America :) I didn't believe that Sailing To Philadelphia album would be in full version:)
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: goon525 on July 28, 2022, 10:43:44 PM
Is it possible that the May 23 date referred to will turn out to be the release date of the new album?

Why do you think that?

Just possibly confusion at the retailer over MK issues. Seems too far away to be the vinyl of these reissues. But it was a guess.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: hunter on July 29, 2022, 01:56:07 PM
Now I don't want to sound like a killjoy and a negative person, but I don't think there is any point in publishing a song like this. I mean there's no melody, there's no punch. It's like elevator music :)

The most important thing Mark has now at his age is his legacy. So I think he should maintain the quality. If there's a bonus track, it should be like Dont Suck Me In, Long Highway, Claim to Fame, Camerado.


Couldn't agree more. Musically it's a just a pastiché, and lyrically it just describes the jazz scene back in the day. Why do they even bother to record stuff like this?
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: jbaent on July 29, 2022, 03:11:30 PM
Now I don't want to sound like a killjoy and a negative person, but I don't think there is any point in publishing a song like this. I mean there's no melody, there's no punch. It's like elevator music :)

The most important thing Mark has now at his age is his legacy. So I think he should maintain the quality. If there's a bonus track, it should be like Dont Suck Me In, Long Highway, Claim to Fame, Camerado.


Couldn't agree more. Musically it's a just a pastiché, and lyrically it just describes the jazz scene back in the day. Why do they even bother to record stuff like this?

Why not? It is written by MK because he felt like writing a song about that, and he wanted it to sound like it.

Why do MK even think to write and record about what he wants instead of ask the council of fans before?

How he dares!
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on July 29, 2022, 04:11:35 PM
Exactly!
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dmg on July 29, 2022, 05:13:59 PM
Now I don't want to sound like a killjoy and a negative person, but I don't think there is any point in publishing a song like this. I mean there's no melody, there's no punch. It's like elevator music :)

The most important thing Mark has now at his age is his legacy. So I think he should maintain the quality. If there's a bonus track, it should be like Dont Suck Me In, Long Highway, Claim to Fame, Camerado.


Couldn't agree more. Musically it's a just a pastiché, and lyrically it just describes the jazz scene back in the day. Why do they even bother to record stuff like this?

Even I was more polite about it than this!  :lol
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: rmarques821 on July 29, 2022, 06:15:12 PM
Now I don't want to sound like a killjoy and a negative person, but I don't think there is any point in publishing a song like this. I mean there's no melody, there's no punch. It's like elevator music :)

The most important thing Mark has now at his age is his legacy. So I think he should maintain the quality. If there's a bonus track, it should be like Dont Suck Me In, Long Highway, Claim to Fame, Camerado.

Couldn't agree more. Musically it's a just a pastiché, and lyrically it just describes the jazz scene back in the day. Why do they even bother to record stuff like this?

Even I was more polite about it than this!  :lol
;D
I'm happy that they at least gave us something we had never heard before. Regarding the song, it's not my style, but I'm very much looking forward to the 2023 album which I think will be more country/folk/americana infused, just how I like it.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: hunter on July 29, 2022, 08:44:15 PM
Now I don't want to sound like a killjoy and a negative person, but I don't think there is any point in publishing a song like this. I mean there's no melody, there's no punch. It's like elevator music :)

The most important thing Mark has now at his age is his legacy. So I think he should maintain the quality. If there's a bonus track, it should be like Dont Suck Me In, Long Highway, Claim to Fame, Camerado.


Couldn't agree more. Musically it's a just a pastiché, and lyrically it just describes the jazz scene back in the day. Why do they even bother to record stuff like this?

Why not? It is written by MK because he felt like writing a song about that, and he wanted it to sound like it.

Why do MK even think to write and record about what he wants instead of ask the council of fans before?

How he dares!


Seriously?


It simply isn't a particularly good song, musically and lyrically. It's fluff. A filler, rightly relegated to a B side, and I just wonder why bother wasting precious studio time on something like this. Like Guy said recently on his forum, a perfect case of "what else do you got".
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: naif on July 29, 2022, 09:18:27 PM
Now I don't want to sound like a killjoy and a negative person, but I don't think there is any point in publishing a song like this. I mean there's no melody, there's no punch. It's like elevator music :)

The most important thing Mark has now at his age is his legacy. So I think he should maintain the quality. If there's a bonus track, it should be like Dont Suck Me In, Long Highway, Claim to Fame, Camerado.


Couldn't agree more. Musically it's a just a pastiché, and lyrically it just describes the jazz scene back in the day. Why do they even bother to record stuff like this?

Why not? It is written by MK because he felt like writing a song about that, and he wanted it to sound like it.

Why do MK even think to write and record about what he wants instead of ask the council of fans before?

How he dares!


Seriously?


It simply isn't a particularly good song, musically and lyrically. It's fluff. A filler, rightly relegated to a B side, and I just wonder why bother wasting precious studio time on something like this. Like Guy said recently on his forum, a perfect case of "what else do you got".

I think Jbaent wrote a sarcastic comment. At least that's the interpretation I've come to based on his previous comments that I've read. 

Actually, I was looking forward to listening to the song based on the lyrics. But it turns out it wasn't left off the list for nothing.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on July 29, 2022, 09:30:07 PM
"But it turns out it wasn't left off the list for nothing"

What do you mean?
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: naif on July 29, 2022, 09:48:18 PM
"But it turns out it wasn't left off the list for nothing"

What do you mean?

I mean, I remember it wasn't included in the last album at the last minute. The lyrics and duration and stuff were released in 2018, but the song wasn't released. That's what I meant.

And I find the song weak, so I'm glad it was left off the list.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: jbaent on July 29, 2022, 11:39:23 PM
I think it's a great song, a great musical challenge for him, experimenting with jazzy sounds and arrangements. Nigel, Jim and Ianto are excellent musically on this, and I think the way MK describes the jaz scene in that concrete time is so great as usual.

As Guy said on his Kansas 2019 diary entry, a hidden gem
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: border_reiver on July 30, 2022, 12:14:17 AM
This song makes me long even more for some greasy lap steel licks from Leisz.  :)
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on July 30, 2022, 12:33:22 AM
I think it's a great song, a great musical challenge for him, experimenting with jazzy sounds and arrangements. Nigel, Jim and Ianto are excellent musically on this, and I think the way MK describes the jaz scene in that concrete time is so great as usual.

As Guy said on his Kansas 2019 diary entry, a hidden gem

 :thumbsup
And it's worth noting that Mark doesn't sing here. He is great at melodeclamation. But he was always good at it
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: quizzaciously on July 30, 2022, 01:04:40 AM
More interesting to me... So musicians from the band texted something to Guy, and somehow Mark wrote the song. Maybe Mark and Guy are the same people? :think
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: quizzaciously on July 30, 2022, 01:17:29 AM
I don't get this occasional experimenting from Mark, to be honest. Do you want to experiment with jazz? Then take your band already completely made out of accomplished jazz musicians and make a jazz tour or a whole jazz album... I don't get this "only the tip" attitude. Be like Bruce Springsteen! Take a whole folk gang with you and rock the hall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0fuz3O4klQ

P.S. And record a professional video of doing it, lols.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: hunter on July 30, 2022, 01:24:23 AM
I think the way MK describes the jaz scene in that concrete time is so great as usual.


If I want an accurate description of the 40s jazz scene, I'll read an encyclopedia article or watch a documentary. If I want to listen to jazz from that era, I'll play some Charlie Parker or Dizzy Gillespie.


"Oh, it's Mark, so it has to be good." Bullsh!t.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: quizzaciously on July 30, 2022, 01:37:36 AM
I think the way MK describes the jaz scene in that concrete time is so great as usual.


If I want an accurate description of the 40s jazz scene, I'll read an encyclopedia article or watch a documentary. If I want to listen to jazz from that era, I'll play some Charlie Parker or Dizzy Gillespie.


"Oh, it's Mark, so it has to be good." Bullsh!t.

We surely become too crazy about MK sometimes, but in this case, it's almost a rejected song, so I think we can lower our expectations. It's definitely competently played and recorded as always, just had a listen on decent equipment and it definitely swings. Mark's band is gorgeous and he barely gives them time to let loose like that. But he only records his own songs, so he needs to come up with something like this to give them some place to do their thing. I'm pretty sure it was a little gift for musicians from MK. Like "You Don't Want To Get You One Of Those" is a gift for Tommy Emmanuel.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on July 30, 2022, 03:04:32 AM
If I want...If I want...

Our expectations... Mark has different. He want to try differently.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: jbaent on July 30, 2022, 08:22:16 AM
Can't wait to the council of fans veredicte about Precious Voice From Heaven’ which wasn't even considered for a bonus track.

Let's prepare the knives!
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: wakeywakey on July 30, 2022, 08:49:39 AM
I think the way MK describes the jaz scene in that concrete time is so great as usual.


If I want an accurate description of the 40s jazz scene, I'll read an encyclopedia article or watch a documentary. If I want to listen to jazz from that era, I'll play some Charlie Parker or Dizzy Gillespie.


"Oh, it's Mark, so it has to be good." Bullsh!t.

You do realise this was recorded for an album full of songs looking back?
It's a 5 minute song so how can you expect an accurate description of anything?
I agree it's certainly not a great song but what do you expect from one which was discarded?
Just because you or I don't think too much of this song doesn't mean others can't appreciate it .
You seem to want to criticise Mark more and more and I just don't see the point of that on a fans forum celebrating his work.
If you really don't like something do you really have to spoil it for others by offering nothing but criticism?


Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Knopflerfan on July 30, 2022, 10:43:22 AM
I think it's a great song, a great musical challenge for him, experimenting with jazzy sounds and arrangements. Nigel, Jim and Ianto are excellent musically on this, and I think the way MK describes the jaz scene in that concrete time is so great as usual.

As Guy said on his Kansas 2019 diary entry, a hidden gem

Nah, it's not great at all - musically or Lyrically! Bottom of the pile for me I'm afraid!
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: superval99 on July 30, 2022, 11:24:55 AM
Most of all I love the jazziness - the band are amazing!  :)
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: jbaent on July 30, 2022, 12:11:24 PM
I think it's a great song, a great musical challenge for him, experimenting with jazzy sounds and arrangements. Nigel, Jim and Ianto are excellent musically on this, and I think the way MK describes the jaz scene in that concrete time is so great as usual.

As Guy said on his Kansas 2019 diary entry, a hidden gem

Nah, it's not great at all - musically or Lyrically! Bottom of the pile for me I'm afraid!

At least someone talking like the way is meant to be. The "for me" part is the key. I totally respect you don't like it. I love it, so it's a matter of taste in the end...
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: naif on July 30, 2022, 12:44:08 PM
I think it's a great song, a great musical challenge for him, experimenting with jazzy sounds and arrangements. Nigel, Jim and Ianto are excellent musically on this, and I think the way MK describes the jaz scene in that concrete time is so great as usual.

As Guy said on his Kansas 2019 diary entry, a hidden gem

Nah, it's not great at all - musically or Lyrically! Bottom of the pile for me I'm afraid!

At least someone talking like the way is meant to be. The "for me" part is the key. I totally respect you don't like it. I love it, so it's a matter of taste in the end...

Are you really serious? Do we need to say "according to me" every time we write a comment? Isn't what we write here already "according to us"? Let's say "I wrote it" every time we write a comment. Wouldn't that be ridiculous? This is already a comment section. It is not a section of scientific fact, of certainty.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: jbaent on July 30, 2022, 03:22:56 PM
Ok, so what if instead people talks like they were not stating facts and the rest we are wrong?

Would that be easier?

I guess no, people who think are always right would find this difficult always.

Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: hunter on July 30, 2022, 03:35:49 PM
Sometimes I feel that criticising Mark's work on this forum is like showing a drawing of Muhammad to the Taliban.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: naif on July 30, 2022, 03:36:45 PM
Ok, so what if instead people talks like they were not stating facts and the rest we are wrong?

Would that be easier?

I guess no, people who think are always right would find this difficult always.

Of course, there is no human being who can be right about everything all the time. But there is no need to emphasize that. I didn't see an I-know-everything attitude here. Those who like it can express why they like it and those who don't like it can express why they don't like it. Remember, my friend, you say. We are not sheep so that we like everything that is put in front of us 😀
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: jbaent on July 30, 2022, 04:08:14 PM
Say you don't like a song is ok

Say a song is bad is stating a fact, which in reality only apply to you, but it is said like it was a fact

Say you don't like MK record such things is ok

Saying MK shouldn't waste time recording such songs is stating a fact, when in reality is just an opinion

Is it clearer?

Criticism is perfectly ok, as long as you are giving your opinion, and not stating false facts.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: hunter on July 30, 2022, 04:45:19 PM
And remember to end all statements with "not that there is anything wrong with that".
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on July 30, 2022, 05:50:31 PM
I don't know what's going on. It's not my favorite MK style, but I have the song in my head all the time.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: jbaent on July 30, 2022, 06:21:49 PM
I don't know what's going on. It's not my favorite MK style, but I have the song in my head all the time.

I play it all day, that brass first notes are so catchy...

Also how the solos are distributed along the song between verses is so well planned, the piano, the sax, MK guitar. Also the MK and Richard jazz chords during the song are so catchy. Having the lyrics I imagined a lot of ways this song could sound. The reality is even better than I expected.

I don't have any problem with MK wasting his time writing and recording songs like this, in the contrary. I hope he keeps wasting his time for all the future with songs like this
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on July 30, 2022, 06:54:18 PM
I agree with every word jbaent  :thumbsup The saxophone is very intense and expressive. Perfect text. Everything fits together.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: qjamesfloyd on July 31, 2022, 09:14:05 AM
I really like the song, I find it paints a picture of a sleepy jazz room full of smoke "Bake in the Day" it is great to have a new song from Mark, and another one to come. The fact this was withdrawn from the album is of no concern to me, he must have dozens of songs that he has done that with, we keep going on about Bonfire Night for example, I would love to hear it, but if we hear it, we may not like it and wonder what the fuss was all about, or we might think it is amazing and rave about it, then as we have here we have people thinking both of those things apply, that's fine we can't all like the same thing, I have said in the past, I like everything Mark has written, I find merit in all over his songs, even the likes of Ticket to Heaven or Les Boys, I might be in the minority and that's fine.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Knopflerfan on July 31, 2022, 02:36:44 PM
I think it's a great song, a great musical challenge for him, experimenting with jazzy sounds and arrangements. Nigel, Jim and Ianto are excellent musically on this, and I think the way MK describes the jaz scene in that concrete time is so great as usual.

As Guy said on his Kansas 2019 diary entry, a hidden gem

Nah, it's not great at all - musically or Lyrically! Bottom of the pile for me I'm afraid!

At least someone talking like the way is meant to be. The "for me" part is the key. I totally respect you don't like it. I love it, so it's a matter of taste in the end...

And I of course fully respect that you like the song - I really miss the 'proper' MK guitar work so much. Good job we are all different....
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on July 31, 2022, 02:51:25 PM
"I like everything Mark has written, I find merit in all over his songs, even the likes of Ticket to Heaven or Les Boys, I might be in the minority and that's fine"

 :thumbsup

I thought I was in the minority:) Thank you for those words.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dmg on July 31, 2022, 03:56:44 PM
"I like everything Mark has written, I find merit in all over his songs, even the likes of Ticket to Heaven or Les Boys, I might be in the minority and that's fine"

 :thumbsup

I thought I was in the minority:) Thank you for those words.

Les Boys is a great song!  So many similarities to his classic Sultans yet not the recognition it deserves.  Far superior to the vast majority of songs he writes these days. 
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: superval99 on July 31, 2022, 04:35:01 PM
"I like everything Mark has written, I find merit in all over his songs, even the likes of Ticket to Heaven or Les Boys, I might be in the minority and that's fine"

 :thumbsup

I thought I was in the minority:) Thank you for those words.

Les Boys is a great song!  So many similarities to his classic Sultans yet not the recognition it deserves.  Far superior to the vast majority of songs he writes these days.

Your reply began so well, but was let down by your final sentence!   :disbelief
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: SG on July 31, 2022, 10:26:36 PM
Quote from: Robson link=topic=8167.msg164406#msg164406 date=1659271885"
I thought I was in the minority:) Thank you for those words.

Many of us must be in this minority
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dmg on August 01, 2022, 01:04:52 PM
"I like everything Mark has written, I find merit in all over his songs, even the likes of Ticket to Heaven or Les Boys, I might be in the minority and that's fine"

 :thumbsup

I thought I was in the minority:) Thank you for those words.

Les Boys is a great song!  So many similarities to his classic Sultans yet not the recognition it deserves.  Far superior to the vast majority of songs he writes these days.

Your reply began so well, but was let down by your final sentence!   :disbelief

Oh dear!  Well is it better or worse than any from the last album?  I'd say only One Song at a Time is better.





Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: superval99 on August 01, 2022, 02:12:57 PM
"I like everything Mark has written, I find merit in all over his songs, even the likes of Ticket to Heaven or Les Boys, I might be in the minority and that's fine"

 :thumbsup

I thought I was in the minority:) Thank you for those words.

Les Boys is a great song!  So many similarities to his classic Sultans yet not the recognition it deserves.  Far superior to the vast majority of songs he writes these days.

Your reply began so well, but was let down by your final sentence!   :disbelief

Oh dear!  Well is it better or worse than any from the last album?  I'd say only One Song at a Time is better.

It's worse than most of the songs on DTRW!  "Drovers' Road" is my favourite.  The only ones I don't care for are "Just a Boy" "Slow Learner" and "Heavy Up" - it's probably better than those. ;)

Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: rmarques821 on August 01, 2022, 04:09:37 PM
I love this forum because I can find here opinions for all tastes, even if they're not necessarily my opinions.

There's people here who think that everything that Mark does is absolute, he can never do wrong or bad, and that when he goes to the toilet gold comes out or something. There's also people who seem to love to bash and criticize at every single move he makes, as if he has become some sort of pariah. Then there are also the moderates...

I find it quite interesting that, just like Mark's discography, where there's albums and songs for all tastes, in this forum there's also something/someone here for everybody and that's why I keep coming back. Most of the time I get a good smile or laugh at some of the comments and that's all that really matters at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: superval99 on August 01, 2022, 04:28:09 PM
I love this forum because I can find here opinions for all tastes, even if they're not necessarily my opinions.

There's people here who think that everything that Mark does is absolute, he can never do wrong or bad, and that when he goes to the toilet gold comes out or something. There's also people who seem to love to bash and criticize at every single move he makes, as if he has become some sort of pariah. Then there are also the moderates...

I find it quite interesting that, just like Mark's discography, where there's albums and songs for all tastes, in this forum there's also something/someone here for everybody and that's why I keep coming back. Most of the time I get a good smile or laugh at some of the comments and that's all that really matters at the end of the day.

LOL!    Which category do I fall into?    :think
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on August 01, 2022, 04:35:47 PM
I have no doubts where I am :)
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Brunno Nunes on August 01, 2022, 10:34:07 PM
I miss Mark Knopfler doing Country/Rock or Folk/Celtic...
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: rmarques821 on August 01, 2022, 11:07:57 PM
I miss Mark Knopfler doing Country/Rock or Folk/Celtic...
Me too, Brunno, me too!
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dmg on August 02, 2022, 01:10:45 PM
I miss Mark Knopfler doing Country/Rock or Folk/Celtic...
Me too, Brunno, me too!

Me three!
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: border_reiver on August 02, 2022, 01:26:52 PM
4!  ;D
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: jbaent on August 02, 2022, 01:33:53 PM
I know, what I Like

And I like, what I know
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Dutchessy on August 02, 2022, 01:55:40 PM
I know, what I Like

And I like, what I know

Genesis  ;D
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: superval99 on August 02, 2022, 02:10:02 PM
4!  ;D

5!  ;D
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: qjamesfloyd on August 02, 2022, 02:31:15 PM
I miss Mark Knopfler doing Country/Rock or Folk/Celtic...

Me too, I think that is where his heart really is, and why I adore the Golden Heart album.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 02, 2022, 02:37:20 PM
I miss Mark Knopfler doing Country/Rock or Folk/Celtic...
Me too, Brunno, me too!

Me three!

You miss the folk/Celtic stuff?!!
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dmg on August 02, 2022, 02:59:02 PM
I miss Mark Knopfler doing Country/Rock or Folk/Celtic...
Me too, Brunno, me too!

Me three!

You miss the folk/Celtic stuff?!!

Over the blues or jazz stuff he churns out, yes.  The country rock is where I'm at though.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: localhero1986 on August 02, 2022, 09:51:06 PM
I miss Mark Knopfler doing Country/Rock or Folk/Celtic...

Me too, I think that is where his heart really is, and why I adore the Golden Heart album.

Indeed, more DWB please! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Dutchessy on August 03, 2022, 05:04:54 PM
I miss Mark Knopfler doing Country/Rock or Folk/Celtic...

Me too, I think that is where his heart really is, and why I adore the Golden Heart album.

Indeed, more DWB please! ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D Nice to see you here again Jeff!
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 03, 2022, 05:56:40 PM
4!  ;D

5!  ;D

6
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: localhero1986 on August 03, 2022, 09:31:29 PM
I miss Mark Knopfler doing Country/Rock or Folk/Celtic...

Me too, I think that is where his heart really is, and why I adore the Golden Heart album.

Indeed, more DWB please! ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D Nice to see you here again Jeff!

Thanks! I’m reading the forum quite often, but not such a poster. :lol But when reading about new releases, I’m triggered!
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: hunter on August 15, 2022, 04:29:26 PM
Oh, no, not the celtic stuff again. He did that to the max and then some.


I like it when Mark plays blues, jazzy stuff (though not Back In The Day so much), and country rock, but I'd love to hear something a little less polite and polished. I also think Mark's at his best doing melancholic and a little sinister/cynical material. That, with a sound similar to Dylan's Time Out of Mind, yes, please. (Sorry, Guy, that means adios to your pop inklings, synths and sound effects.) Dream on, right?
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 15, 2022, 04:33:59 PM
Gator Blood had a rougher sound and it was OK but not amazing TBH...
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: hunter on August 15, 2022, 04:48:01 PM
Gator Blood had a rougher sound and it was OK but not amazing TBH...


Might have something to do with the icepick-to-your-eardrum slide sound LOL I don't think GB was a particular good song, though. (Bluebird I like a lot.)
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: wakeywakey on August 15, 2022, 05:55:43 PM
<(Sorry, Guy, that means adios to your pop inklings, synths and sound effects.
Oh yes please.
After his latest fine solo effort I'd like Guy to stick to that.
But it'll be Guy To The End!
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: KnopfleRick on August 15, 2022, 08:46:27 PM
I miss Mark Knopfler doing Country/Rock or Folk/Celtic...

Me, too!!!
Mark is half a folky and that's what makes his style so unique. I hope we'll hear more of that on the new album. At least the collaboration with this pedal steel player (sorry, don't remember his name) gives hope.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on August 15, 2022, 08:52:26 PM
Greg Leisz:)
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: KnopfleRick on August 16, 2022, 08:25:08 AM
Greg Leisz:)

Thank you.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: TJ on August 16, 2022, 05:27:17 PM

I like it when Mark plays blues, jazzy stuff (though not Back In The Day so much), and country rock, but I'd love to hear something a little less polite and polished. I also think Mark's at his best doing melancholic and a little sinister/cynical material. That, with a sound similar to Dylan's Time Out of Mind, yes, please. (Sorry, Guy, that means adios to your pop inklings, synths and sound effects.) Dream on, right?

Many years ago I emailed Guy and asked him about Mark bringing in an outside producer to shake things up a little and maybe light a fire under Mark.  I threw the name Daniel Lanois out as an example.

To his credit, Guy replied that he would "love to have Daniel Lanois sort Mark out", and also that it would never happen.  Too bad.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: quizzaciously on August 16, 2022, 10:18:12 PM

I like it when Mark plays blues, jazzy stuff (though not Back In The Day so much), and country rock, but I'd love to hear something a little less polite and polished. I also think Mark's at his best doing melancholic and a little sinister/cynical material. That, with a sound similar to Dylan's Time Out of Mind, yes, please. (Sorry, Guy, that means adios to your pop inklings, synths and sound effects.) Dream on, right?

Many years ago I emailed Guy and asked him about Mark bringing in an outside producer to shake things up a little and maybe light a fire under Mark.  I threw the name Daniel Lanois out as an example.

To his credit, Guy replied that he would "love to have Daniel Lanois sort Mark out", and also that it would never happen.  Too bad.

It says a lot. I don't think it's a bad thing, though... If Mark doesn't want it, so whatever. It may not work after all, no guarantee it will be great automatically. Maybe it's better for Mark to stick to his usual guns.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: hunter on August 17, 2022, 08:55:48 AM

I like it when Mark plays blues, jazzy stuff (though not Back In The Day so much), and country rock, but I'd love to hear something a little less polite and polished. I also think Mark's at his best doing melancholic and a little sinister/cynical material. That, with a sound similar to Dylan's Time Out of Mind, yes, please. (Sorry, Guy, that means adios to your pop inklings, synths and sound effects.) Dream on, right?

Many years ago I emailed Guy and asked him about Mark bringing in an outside producer to shake things up a little and maybe light a fire under Mark.  I threw the name Daniel Lanois out as an example.

To his credit, Guy replied that he would "love to have Daniel Lanois sort Mark out", and also that it would never happen.  Too bad.


Really, "sort Mark out"? LOL I've also thought earlier that it'd be interesting to hear what a guy like Lanois could bring to the party. Maybe not as the main producer as the "Lanois stamp" can be a bit much sometimes and may not fit Mark's music that well, but as a co-producer? Definitely.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: qjamesfloyd on August 30, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
Bringing  in a completely new producer who you have not worked with before isn't always a good idea for an established artist. When Mike Oldfield stated making Tubular Bells 2 he had made a demo himself of what what become the 1st track of the album, Sentinel, but when producer Trevor Horn came onboard he changed it into something different, but still brilliant, but Mike did release part of his demo and called it Early Stages, and that sounds like it could have been amazing, fans have always wondered what the album would have sounded like without the influence of Trevor Horn. I just don't think Mark is the type of artist to try and work with a new producer, after Chuck Ainley it's been him and Guy.
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on September 06, 2022, 03:19:04 AM
When swing turned into bebop...


Yes. Early 1940s. Maybe Mark was thinking about Teddy Hill when he wrote this song.



Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: hunter on September 06, 2022, 04:47:21 AM
When swing turned into bebop...


Yes. Early 1940s. Maybe Mark was thinking about Teddy Hill when he wrote this song.


My guess is Charlie Parker, one of the fathers of bebop. Parker grew up and played in the district Mark mentions, 18 th and Vine (in Kansas City).
Title: Re: Back in the Day on Spotify!
Post by: Robson on September 06, 2022, 12:53:23 PM
18th and Vine

Fact. I like your theory more :)