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Title: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: JF on September 15, 2022, 02:19:40 PM
on september 15th 1997, the gig 'music for Montserrat' took place at the RAH

my chronicle : https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/il-y-a-25-ans-se-tenait-le-concert-music-for-montserrat/
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: Robson on September 15, 2022, 06:17:35 PM
Thank you for the article. The beautiful version of Brothers In Arms has gone down in history.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: KnopfleRick on September 15, 2022, 08:45:53 PM
Thank you for the article. The beautiful version of Brothers In Arms has gone down in history.

Yes, absolutely. This emotional version still gives me chills any time I watch it.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: Robson on September 15, 2022, 08:59:45 PM
Exactly. Me too.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: quizzaciously on September 15, 2022, 09:32:02 PM
Thank you for the article. The beautiful version of Brothers In Arms has gone down in history.

Yes, absolutely. This emotional version still gives me chills any time I watch it.

Can't go wrong playing with a real orchestra... Not often it happens in the MK world.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: Robson on September 15, 2022, 09:33:54 PM
Provided that we like this style:)
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: Banjo99uk on September 15, 2022, 10:53:17 PM
I was lucky to attend that concert and still remember Marks funny comment when attempting to play local hero with just him and Guy. He said he would also be working the lights with his feet.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: Kris-b on September 16, 2022, 02:10:06 PM
https://youtu.be/0LEym-Q2u8g

Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: 2manyguitars on September 16, 2022, 08:35:51 PM
BIA Still makes me cry played like that. Such a deep, emotional peice....
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: herlock on September 17, 2022, 08:37:22 AM
For BIA, I can't help but preferring the bad-as rocking version with Chessy synth from Wembley 1985 :)

But Montserrat 97 version of MFN is my absolute favorite, even without intro. Very rocking, Eric Clapton and Phil Collins rule, the best!
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: ds1984 on September 17, 2022, 12:11:44 PM
I have never liked the Montserrat version.
I just gave a new try - and it stil  don't do it for me

But, but, later in the show, when Paul is starting Golden Slumbers, OMG, the tears are coming each time.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: herlock on September 17, 2022, 12:22:15 PM
I have never liked the Montserrat version.
I just gave a new try - and it stil  don't do it for me

But, but, later in the show, when Paul is starting Golden Slumbers, OMG, the tears are coming each time.
Are you talking about BIA, MFN, or both?
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: ds1984 on September 17, 2022, 12:36:11 PM
BIA.

MFN is a killer version.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: herlock on September 17, 2022, 12:53:44 PM
BIA.

MFN is a killer version.
Agree with you.
In BIA the guitar is drawn into the orchestra.
MFN is just perfect.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: Robson on September 17, 2022, 01:14:21 PM
I prefer Sting in the MFN studio version. I am also thinking about Live Aid concert.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: dustyvalentino on September 17, 2022, 09:08:01 PM
I have never liked the Montserrat version.
I just gave a new try - and it stil  don't do it for me

But, but, later in the show, when Paul is starting Golden Slumbers, OMG, the tears are coming each time.

Yeah, Golden Slumbers etc was the highlight for me. Amazing that MK got to play that guitar duel on that song.

I liked Jimmy Buffet too.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: Skinny Kid on September 18, 2022, 06:45:14 AM
"In BIA the guitar is drawn into the orchestra"

Not just BIA, MFN and Golden Slumbers, too, to name but those three. And all guitars (EC's as well) ARE drawn and literally drowned into it, but they orginally weren't.
It got out that way because the rights were bought for radio and TV commercial purposes and they made their own awful mix which in no way reflects the quality of what we heard that night. With the original mix, the sound was so much clearer, so well defined, so amazing !  MK's guitar was as we know it, and the orchestra was gracing it. I remember I couln't believe my own ears the sound was so exceptionally good ! 
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: herlock on September 18, 2022, 09:41:12 AM
Well, yes and no.
Yes, because the first DVD issue had only one dolby mix, which was horrible.
No, because the second issue also features a DTS mix, which is quite fine.
For BIA I'm not complaining about the mix. More about the fact that the orchestra is a bit too much. But this is quite a great version anyway. Just as a matter of taste I prefer Wembley 85.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: JF on September 18, 2022, 12:31:04 PM

Yeah, Golden Slumbers etc was the highlight for me. Amazing that MK got to play that guitar duel on that song.


guitar "triel"  so to say  ;)
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: MagicElliott on September 18, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
I have never liked the Montserrat version.
I just gave a new try - and it stil  don't do it for me

But, but, later in the show, when Paul is starting Golden Slumbers, OMG, the tears are coming each time.
Are you talking about BIA, MFN, or both?

Absolutely-Golden Slumbers and Kansas City are something else. Mark, Sting, Eric, Jools, Macca, Robbie Mc, Ianto, Phil c…..and I’ve barely scratched the surface
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: Skinny Kid on September 18, 2022, 05:22:10 PM
Wembley 85 is my favorite, too. And no band could ever replace the "Dire Straits Rock'n Roll Orchestra" !   ;)
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 20, 2022, 10:25:48 AM
I still love to watch Eric and Mark play the stripped back version of Layla, and Mark's solo was amazing.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: Skinny Kid on September 20, 2022, 03:59:54 PM
Yes, one of the highlights of that fabulous night and, undoubtedly, the most surprising !   :)
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: dmg on September 21, 2022, 09:01:28 PM
I'm not keen on BIA from this gig:  voice is shot and a little mistake at the end.

MFN sounds like he doesn't dampen the notes properly during the opening solo. 

WT should never be played on the Gibson.

In saying all that it's a very enjoyable show because for the majority of the songs they sound really good.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: herlock on September 21, 2022, 11:51:10 PM
Our tastes differ, dmg :)
I think this MFN version is the most rocking ever, probably the very best, save for the lack of intro.
And I absolutely love WT and GH on a Gibson. Vaison 96 version of GH is my absolute favourite. Strong sound and energetic. Saint Julien 2013 with no sax was less good but still great...
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: superval99 on September 22, 2022, 09:04:02 AM
I'm not keen on BIA from this gig:  voice is shot and a little mistake at the end.

MFN sounds like he doesn't dampen the notes properly during the opening solo. 

WT should never be played on the Gibson.

In saying all that it's a very enjoyable show because for the majority of the songs they sound really good.

Can you enlighten me, dmg - what is WT?    :hmm  I'm sure I should know, but I can't think of anything!   :think

Edit:  Just remembered - Wild Theme!    Too early in the morning for me, obviously!    ;D
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: Pottel on September 22, 2022, 04:31:07 PM
I still love to watch Eric and Mark play the stripped back version of Layla, and Mark's solo was amazing.
INDEED
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: Pottel on September 22, 2022, 04:46:19 PM
the joy on marks face....
https://youtu.be/PjKtfvKJSuk
finale around 4min or so
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 23, 2022, 10:26:59 AM
I think most musicians would be thrilled to play The Beatles with a Beatle, although Mark had played with Paul before. I bet Guy was thrilled too. But to be able to play in the 3 man guitar jam at 4:05 must have been great for Mark, I am sure Paul has huge respect for Mark as a performer and songwriter.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: Pottel on September 23, 2022, 11:37:02 AM
I think most musicians would be thrilled to play The Beatles with a Beatle, although Mark had played with Paul before. I bet Guy was thrilled too. But to be able to play in the 3 man guitar jam at 4:05 must have been great for Mark, I am sure Paul has huge respect for Mark as a performer and songwriter.
which is obvious when they leave the stage (Paul's respect i mean)
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: 461oceanblvd on September 23, 2022, 05:44:49 PM
I still love to watch Eric and Mark play the stripped back version of Layla, and Mark's solo was amazing.

Love everything about this particular version of Layla. The joy the two have playing together. Mark's beautiful, understated accompaniment and solo. And I generally don't like acoustic Layla.

Anytime this scenario was reversed and Eric played on one of Mark's songs (or a DS song) you almost always got really strong playing from Eric as well. Which is (unfortunately) the rule of thumb with him: Eric has to be pushed by another player he respects or he would fall into ruts really quickly.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: dmg on September 23, 2022, 06:44:09 PM
I think most musicians would be thrilled to play The Beatles with a Beatle, although Mark had played with Paul before. I bet Guy was thrilled too. But to be able to play in the 3 man guitar jam at 4:05 must have been great for Mark, I am sure Paul has huge respect for Mark as a performer and songwriter.

Mark played a nice little solo on Get Back at the Prince's Trust Concert 1986 with McCartney and co.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 26, 2022, 08:01:50 AM
I can't remember if it was Get Back or not, but at one of those shows, Mark pulled off a great solo, with Paul on stage next to him watching, he then pointed to Mark and it looks like he says "You the man"
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: dmg on September 26, 2022, 08:30:27 PM
I can't remember if it was Get Back or not, but at one of those shows, Mark pulled off a great solo, with Paul on stage next to him watching, he then pointed to Mark and it looks like he says "You the man"

Maybe this at 1:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBFt0gBt920

Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 27, 2022, 11:12:35 AM
Yes that's it. :clap
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: MagicElliott on September 28, 2022, 11:53:14 AM
I can't remember if it was Get Back or not, but at one of those shows, Mark pulled off a great solo, with Paul on stage next to him watching, he then pointed to Mark and it looks like he says "You the man"

Maybe this at 1:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBFt0gBt920

I love Mark soloing on Beatles songs. I’m not sure I’d like him singing them but his guitar on them is fab.
Title: Re: Music for Montserrat gig is 25 years ago today
Post by: qjamesfloyd on September 28, 2022, 01:43:25 PM
I agree, I much prefer Mark's work to Gary Moore on the Let It Be charity single.