A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => One Deep River / The Boy => Topic started by: jbaent on January 30, 2024, 11:38:42 AM
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Black Tie Jobs 2:57
So sorry for your trouble
Tell me to take a walk
And I would understand
Of course, it's good to talk
Here, take my handkerchief
No, I don't need it back
Please don't worry
So sorry for your trouble
And I was wondering
And I would understand
If you might have one to hand
If you had a photograph?
Of course, I'd bring it back
Please don't worry
And I wonder, if I stay in this
How hard-boiled will I become?
As hard-boiled as some
My friends in the newsroom
The Colins and Bobs
All done their black-tie jobs
I have to go, so sorry
Walking back to the car
And I can hear your sobs
I hate these black-tie jobs
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"Black Tie Jobs is about his time at the "Evening Chronicle" in Newcastle. There was one Black tie hanging in the coffice in case a journalist had to go and write about a funeral"
I can't wait to hear it.
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"Black Tie Jobs is about his time at the "Evening Chronicle" in Newcastle. There was one Black tie hanging in the coffice in case a journalist had to go and write about a funeral"
I can't wait to hear it.
These were prized jobs for journalists - you had to urn it.
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Ouch. :lol
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First I thought "Black tie jobs" was about the charity events where he had to wear a dinner jacket. He doesn't seem to like wearing ties in the first place.
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It is said he left the Yorkshire evening post after writing about Jimi Hendrix's death, maybe the song is again biographical and it's about that?
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Could be. I guess funerals is something no one wants to do, so it's the youngest reporters who have to go there.
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First I thought "Black tie jobs" was about the charity events where he had to wear a dinner jacket. He doesn't seem to like wearing ties in the first place.
In TNH times he had ties :)
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Yes, in the studio recordings they were all spiffed up. Shame they didn't wear it on the tour, but it's probably way too uncomfortable.
Omg, I remember that last solo in "Setting me up", and then MK saying "Steve, can't you go any faster?" 🤣
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Yes, in the studio recordings they were all spiffed up. Shame they didn't wear it on the tour, but it's probably way too uncomfortable.
Omg, I remember that last solo in "Setting me up", and then MK saying "Steve, can't you go any faster?" 🤣
Or the other one was "time to get the sports cars out." 🚗 💨
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Oh yeah ;D
Those were fantastic shows! I remember standing outside of Ronnie Scott's at three in the morning or something, after the show, trying to find a night bus which somehow never materialised, and MK was quietly standing there waiting for his taxi, with his guitar case. And all the fans very politely just left him alone because he'd said that he wasn't feeling too well and didn't want to sign stuff.
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Oh yeah ;D
Those were fantastic shows! I remember standing outside of Ronnie Scott's at three in the morning or something, after the show, trying to find a night bus which somehow never materialised, and MK was quietly standing there waiting for his taxi, with his guitar case. And all the fans very politely just left him alone because he'd said that he wasn't feeling too well and didn't want to sign stuff.
Great memory! Maybe even more memorable like this, leaving the maestro to have his own space.
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He was probably suffering from sleep deprivation, with those builders starting to make a din at eight o'clock every the morning in his neighbour's house. They seemed to have no respect for the true artist... :-(
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The 9 put of 10 guitarist magazine review named this thexstand out song.
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Oh yeah ;D
Those were fantastic shows! I remember standing outside of Ronnie Scott's at three in the morning or something, after the show, trying to find a night bus which somehow never materialised, and MK was quietly standing there waiting for his taxi, with his guitar case. And all the fans very politely just left him alone because he'd said that he wasn't feeling too well and didn't want to sign stuff.
Great story. Only Knopfler fans would be so polite! ;D
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Too much after-show booze probably ;D
LE
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Beautiful little song, kind of follow-up to Basil - he even reuses the phrase "collins and bobs".
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Beautiful little song, kind of follow-up to Basil - he even reuses the phrase "collins and bobs".
What exactly does that phrase mean or refer to? I could not google anything. Is the song similar by the setting or even melodicaly :)? Thanks! (Btw: Basil is one of my personal favourites! :)
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It is Colin's and Bob's, referring to typical male first names of the period, 60s/70s.
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To me, the (synth) strings are the same category as in Ticket To Heaven, meaningwise. I think this one is the meanest, most evil song on the album. False sweetness, fake feelings he sings about seems to be the moment they come up with this string idea. If you read the lyrics you will see what I mean.
I would say it is sort of a spin-off song from Basil, Basil revisited so to say. The copy boy from Basil has grown up and became a hard cynical journalist. Melodywise it is not that similar, but the mood is the same.
I needed a few times before this one started to grow on me but it is very good indeed.
LE
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Beautiful little song, kind of follow-up to Basil - he even reuses the phrase "collins and bobs".
What exactly does that phrase mean or refer to? I could not google anything. Is the song similar by the setting or even melodicaly :)? Thanks! (Btw: Basil is one of my personal favourites! :)
Both are about his time working for The Chronicle.
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To me, the (synth) strings are the same category as in Ticket To Heaven, meaningwise. I think this one is the meanest, most evil song on the album. False sweetness, fake feelings he sings about seems to be the moment they come up with this string idea. If you read the lyrics you will see what I mean.
I would say it is sort of a spin-off song from Basil, Basil revisited so to say. The copy boy from Basil has grown up and became a hard cynical journalist. Melodywise it is not that similar, but the mood is the same.
I needed a few times before this one started to grow on me but it is very good indeed.
LE
I also thought about a cynical journalist but in the end the character says he hates the black tie jobs so maybe it's just a journalist that knows he has to do that job in that way, doing his best, despite he hates doing that.
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I like the song and the tone, but I'm not too fond of the fake strings; I had hoped we passed that stage. The strings on Get Lucky and Privateering were so beautiful!
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To me, the (synth) strings are the same category as in Ticket To Heaven, meaningwise. I think this one is the meanest, most evil song on the album. False sweetness, fake feelings he sings about seems to be the moment they come up with this string idea. If you read the lyrics you will see what I mean.
I would say it is sort of a spin-off song from Basil, Basil revisited so to say. The copy boy from Basil has grown up and became a hard cynical journalist. Melodywise it is not that similar, but the mood is the same.
I needed a few times before this one started to grow on me but it is very good indeed.
LE
I also thought about a cynical journalist but in the end the character says he hates the black tie jobs so maybe it's just a journalist that knows he has to do that job in that way, doing his best, despite he hates doing that.
Yes, I think it is about how uncomfortable it feels to at the funeral as a journalist.
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I was very moved by this song. Almost to tears.
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I was very moved by this song. Almost to tears.
I get that, very moving song indeed especially with the beautiful guitar lead....
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Funny how different it can be. It's skipper no 1.
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Funny how different it can be. It's skipper no 1.
A skipper on ODR - no way....
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This was the first song I listened to other than the singles.
I think it’s my favourite MK “slower song”
I love it!! Can’t explain why but I just do.
Real strings would have been nice but we’d have had to wait another year….
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For me this is the gem of the album and it touches me very much.
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I find this incredibly moving. The whole 21 song experience has left me very emotional actually. I'll be 50 next year. I've loved MK's music for 40 of those years....as BIA started it all for me when I was about 10 years old. Other than Mark, 99% of the music I love is by people either dead or older to elderly. Dylan (soon 83), Springsteen (75 in sept), Grateful Dead/Bob Weir (GD long gone, Bobby mid 70s), Neil Young, Willie Nelson (90....), Paul Simon, then all the late folks...Petty, The Band, Zevon, Cash, Lou Reed etc. Music has been my world my whole life. This year I will see Springsteen live 3 times, and Eric once. Mark no longer plays. I'm aware the clock is running down, and the music life I've known my whole life won't be with me much longer. The gigs will end, and soon. The albums too. So, recently, when those I love and are still active release new music I've found it almost overwhelming emotionally as I know the end us in sight. Dylan's Rough and Rowdy Ways, Springsteen's Letter to You, Simon's 7 Psalms. And now, after 6 years to have 21new songs from Mark of such quality and depth, and to know this feeling again, maybe for the last time (hopefully not)....well......mortality is scary, and things ending is scary. This is precious and I'm going to enjoy it all as much as possible.
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I find this incredibly moving. The whole 21 song experience has left me very emotional actually. I'll be 50 next year. I've loved MK's music for 40 of those years....as BIA started it all for me when I was about 10 years old. Other than Mark, 99% of the music I love is by people either dead or older to elderly. Dylan (soon 83), Springsteen (75 in sept), Grateful Dead/Bob Weir (GD long gone, Bobby mid 70s), Neil Young, Willie Nelson (90....), Paul Simon, then all the late folks...Petty, The Band, Zevon, Cash, Lou Reed etc. Music has been my world my whole life. This year I will see Springsteen live 3 times, and Eric once. Mark no longer plays. I'm aware the clock is running down, and the music life I've known my whole life won't be with me much longer. The gigs will end, and soon. The albums too. So, recently, when those I love and are still active release new music I've found it almost overwhelming emotionally as I know the end us in sight. Dylan's Rough and Rowdy Ways, Springsteen's Letter to You, Simon's 7 Psalms. And now, after 6 years to have 21new songs from Mark of such quality and depth, and to know this feeling again, maybe for the last time (hopefully not)....well......mortality is scary, and things ending is scary. This is precious and I'm going to enjoy it all as much as possible.
Beautiful and sad post. We have to take every day we have. I'm in the same situation. I have been consciously with MK since the Missing...THN album. Mark Knopfler's new material reminded me of our transience.
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Funny how different it can be. It's skipper no 1.
A skipper on ODR - no way....
I thought so too at first, but here we are. :) When the novelty of it wore off it's lukewarm at best.
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This is steadily moving up my playlist, especially having heard the Atmos version - 'collins and bobs' and that stunning, haunting guitar solo gets me everytime!
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This is steadily moving up my playlist, especially having heard the Atmos version - 'collins and bobs' and that stunning, haunting guitar solo gets me everytime!
Absolutely. Love this one. The solo is so simple but the simplicity is the thing that catches you. Also the tone and echo on it gives it another dimension. Beautiful and classy.
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I find this incredibly moving. The whole 21 song experience has left me very emotional actually. I'll be 50 next year. I've loved MK's music for 40 of those years....as BIA started it all for me when I was about 10 years old. Other than Mark, 99% of the music I love is by people either dead or older to elderly. Dylan (soon 83), Springsteen (75 in sept), Grateful Dead/Bob Weir (GD long gone, Bobby mid 70s), Neil Young, Willie Nelson (90....), Paul Simon, then all the late folks...Petty, The Band, Zevon, Cash, Lou Reed etc. Music has been my world my whole life. This year I will see Springsteen live 3 times, and Eric once. Mark no longer plays. I'm aware the clock is running down, and the music life I've known my whole life won't be with me much longer. The gigs will end, and soon. The albums too. So, recently, when those I love and are still active release new music I've found it almost overwhelming emotionally as I know the end us in sight. Dylan's Rough and Rowdy Ways, Springsteen's Letter to You, Simon's 7 Psalms. And now, after 6 years to have 21new songs from Mark of such quality and depth, and to know this feeling again, maybe for the last time (hopefully not)....well......mortality is scary, and things ending is scary. This is precious and I'm going to enjoy it all as much as possible.
Hey Nick, I'm almost as old as you, and wanted to encourage you to continue exploring new music. My list of all-time heroes looks similar to yours, but I keep coming - not often, but again and again - across new names that fascinate me just as much as these oldtimers. Just two days ago, I saw Austrian band Bilderbuch live for the second time, and they are absolutely mind-blowing. Maybe not something for you (they sing in German), but I'm sure that there must be dozens of other acts that I or you would love if only we had heard of them. Keep your ears open - every now and then, you'll be rewarded. Good songwriters, singers and players don't just die out like dinosaurs did.
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Thanks, I've tried but largely failed over the years. I like Big Thief alot. I'll keep trying!
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"I like Big Thief alot"
Me too and Mark too :)
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Mumford & sons.
Coldplay.
Sean Lennon and James McCartney have just released a song together. How cool is that?
And have you heard that Art Garfunkel's son has recorded his dad's songs in German?
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Mumford & sons.
Coldplay.
Sean Lennon and James McCartney have just released a song together. How cool is that?
And have you heard that Art Garfunkel's son has recorded his dad's songs in German?
Is this trolling?!
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Mumford & sons.
Coldplay.
Sean Lennon and James McCartney have just released a song together. How cool is that?
And have you heard that Art Garfunkel's son has recorded his dad's songs in German?
Is this trolling?!
Why trolling? I like Mumford, and Coldplay. Haven't heard the other song yet. Garfunkel jr. sounds just like his dad.
The point is that there will always be real musicians out there, making great music.
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This is steadily moving up my playlist, especially having heard the Atmos version - 'collins and bobs' and that stunning, haunting guitar solo gets me everytime!
Absolutely. Love this one. The solo is so simple but the simplicity is the thing that catches you. Also the tone and echo on it gives it another dimension. Beautiful and classy.
Easily the the most emotional and melodic song on the album.
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This is steadily moving up my playlist, especially having heard the Atmos version - 'collins and bobs' and that stunning, haunting guitar solo gets me everytime!
Absolutely. Love this one. The solo is so simple but the simplicity is the thing that catches you. Also the tone and echo on it gives it another dimension. Beautiful and classy.
Easily the the most emotional and melodic song on the album.
Yes! These are my feelings too. Simplicity has always been MK's strength and this is further proof.
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It brought me to tears too. Beautiful melody. The strength in simplicity! I didn't realise the meaning of the lyrics before reading the posts here. I googled "black tie" and thought it could be Mark trying to say some comforting words to the people he meets who has strong and sad personal stories. Imagine visiting the hospital for the TCT charity or similar things, and you are supposed to be the person who brings light and joy to people in difficult situations.
How wrong I was, once again I learn something new :)