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Author Topic: RIP Mandela VALE Nelson Mandela 1918-2013  (Read 6787 times)

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Re: RIP Mandela VALE Nelson Mandela 1918-2013
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2013, 08:04:35 PM »
If the history posted in The Guardian article is true, it is certainly an unfortunate one.  No, not excusable, if true.  But the man overcame his own negativity and the hatred in his heart, rechanneled his intellect and his emotions while in prison, remade himself, and upon release, worked peacefully and tirelessly to unify his country.   That is what we remember him for.     It is as great an accomplishment to overcome one's own sins as it is to reform the world.    I choose to remember him for his goodness.

Well I won't sweep under the carpet the atrocities that he carried out and only have sympathy for the families of those killed or those maimed by his bombings.

His legacy:

-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983

-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985

-Krugersdorp Magistrate
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Re: RIP Mandela VALE Nelson Mandela 1918-2013
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2013, 08:12:25 PM »
Well, it's fortunate that we both live in countries that allow free speech.   I addressed the listed topics in my previous post.   We shall have to agree to disagree.   End of my part of the conversation 
Smiles and good will . . .
But a spoonful of forgiveness
Goes a long, long way
And we all should do our best
To get along

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Re: RIP Mandela VALE Nelson Mandela 1918-2013
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2013, 08:25:57 PM »
Well, it's fortunate that we both live in countries that allow free speech.   I addressed the listed topics in my previous post.   We shall have to agree to disagree.   End of my part of the conversation 
Smiles and good will . . .

Indeed.  The facts are there for us all to make up our own minds.

P.S. Due to political correctness, free speech no longer exists!
« Last Edit: December 08, 2013, 11:08:35 PM by dmg »
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Re: RIP Mandela VALE Nelson Mandela 1918-2013
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2013, 09:19:53 PM »
The Guardian obituary is more nuanced than the rather one-dimensional assessment we have been getting elsewhere.

Whilst I acknowledge that the 1988 Wembley Stadium concert was important (and certainly brought Mandela's name before a generation of people who knew little about him previously), I  feel that Tony Hollingsworth overstates things.  There were many other factors involved. As The Guardian obituary points out, Botha was seeking to release Mandela several years before the concert.

One impact of the concert was that, on Mandela's release, many celebrities sought to burnish their own reputations by meeting and associating themselves with him. When that happened, I felt it diminished him in equal measure. The Guardian piece does much to explain that.

I found it difficult to accept his support for "necklacing", as practiced by Winnie Mandela. The Guardian says it damaged the reputation of the liberation movement and it certainly did in my case.  It is difficult to countenance that kind of vigilante justice anyway but "necklacing" was  a particularly nasty form. "One humanity; one justice" did not apply in those cases - none of which diminishes the impact of, and sentiment behind, MK's words that day.

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Re: RIP Mandela VALE Nelson Mandela 1918-2013
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2013, 10:38:48 PM »
well put.
any Knopfler, Floyd or Dylan will do....

 

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