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Author Topic: Fender 'Mark Knopfler' Signature Series Stratocaster (0117800-815) - Owners list  (Read 160880 times)

OfflineKnopflerfan

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They certainly seem to be made in batches looking at the register!
I genuinely thought they started at SE00000 and ascended logically during  the 10 years of production.
This cant be the case or there would be well over twelve thousand  out there!
To the best of my knowledge the S prefix was only used for signature models, SN2 is a1992 Clapton strat, by that logic would some SE numbers have been previously used on 1980s signature models? Only Clapton and Malmsteen at that time I think?
Maybe I am overthinking this!

I reckon you are spot on there. There is no evidence to say that they ascended logically at all in fact Fender have literally put 'SE' numbers to the MK guitars 'Willy Nilly' and think the SE prefix could well have been used on earlier guitars......
Look at some of the beasts in the owners list and some higher numbered Strats were built before some lower numbered Strats!!!
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They certainly seem to be made in batches looking at the register!
I genuinely thought they started at SE00000 and ascended logically during  the 10 years of production.
This cant be the case or there would be well over twelve thousand  out there!
To the best of my knowledge the S prefix was only used for signature models, SN2 is a1992 Clapton strat, by that logic would some SE numbers have been previously used on 1980s signature models? Only Clapton and Malmsteen at that time I think?
Maybe I am overthinking this!

I reckon you are spot on there. There is no evidence to say that they ascended logically at all in fact Fender have literally put 'SE' numbers to the MK guitars 'Willy Nilly' and think the SE prefix could well have been used on earlier guitars......
Look at some of the beasts in the owners list and some higher numbered Strats were built before some lower numbered Strats!!!

This only can get me thinking that there are for sure could be unauthorized copies since you can just guess the serial number.

By the way, you can remove me (Foma - Russia) from the list, I no longer have an MK signature neck, I sold it a long time ago.

Offlinefirmstools

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Think I am trying to see a pattern where there isnt one!
Just seems strange that apart from the fact that the numbers do ascend over time the numbers are so random.

Maybe Fender had thousands of plates made and stamped then MK pulled out of the deal and they threw most of them in the bin in a fit of rage! ;D ;D ;D

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I'm not expert on these stringed things but my passion for photography may be of benefit here.  My Leica M lenses have serial numbers to show year of manufacture. These numbers are released in blocks of round numbers.  As they are handmade to order (like the Strat) sometimes customers will be put on a waiting list if they run out of numbers, sometimes not all the allocated numbers are used up.  Therefore there is no way of knowing the exact date unless you have the QC certificate.

I have a 90mm lens who's serial number dates it to 1973, but that particular model wasn't introduced until 1974!  I think companies release serial numbers in blocks every year and so they aren't in order and can be up to a year out.  The person in the factory will just look for a number that hasn't been used up.
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I'm not expert on these stringed things but my passion for photography may be of benefit here.  My Leica M lenses have serial numbers to show year of manufacture. These numbers are released in blocks of round numbers.  As they are handmade to order (like the Strat) sometimes customers will be put on a waiting list if they run out of numbers, sometimes not all the allocated numbers are used up.  Therefore there is no way of knowing the exact date unless you have the QC certificate.

I have a 90mm lens who's serial number dates it to 1973, but that particular model wasn't introduced until 1974!  I think companies release serial numbers in blocks every year and so they aren't in order and can be up to a year out.  The person in the factory will just look for a number that hasn't been used up.

It feels extremely awkward that Fender doesn't have a proper serial number system, probably because this is a utilitarian tool and any part of it could be easily replaced as opposed to glued-in Les Paul necks and things like that. And because Fender guitars necks are often made before bodies and vice versa. To me personally numbering a Strat is useless anyway, since you can put a number plate with a serial number on any guitar and hence make it "genuine". I mean the neck and the body are not "together" by design. They should've numbered every part then, but that would make it more expensive for sure. So what exactly this serial number represent anyway? The serial number of a neck plate? Or a sticker? Who knows, who cares.

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The MK Strat numbering system is odd though for Fender. Usually you can tell the country and year of manufacture from the serial number alone, and it is on the headstock so can’t easily be swapped out.
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I often wondered why they used a transfer (decal) serial number on the neck, as necks (fretboards) wear out and are more likely to be changed. My Luthier once said he could send to Fender for new decals if he was replacing damaged ones on a genuine Fender guitar (or making a new neck for a genuine Fender).  The problem is that a Fender can be built from parts by anyone with moderate skills and as long as there was a serial number on it (neck or metal plate) you would have to check with Fender or be a real expert in the model range to establish that it was a "partscaster". The only answer would be to emboss a serial number in the control cavity that matched the decal on the neck.
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Offlinefirmstools

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I do like the serial number on the neck plate, its just traditional I suppose. One of the features of the MK Strat that I like.
Maybe unfairly I see the move to serial numbers as a decal as part of the decline in the quality of the instrument in the mid 70s.

OfflineKnopflerfan

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Same Strat but re-advertised - I guess because it's pretty expensive!!!!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133732616549?hash=item1f2315c965:g:tdUAAOSwF1lgfEcq

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