Holly Vincent was only 19 when Mark was nearly 30

[Throttle]

Maybe you refer to...

I meant women at large, rather than wives, but couldn't get my tongue around.

[WaterofLove]

Maybe you refer to...

I meant women at large, rather than wives, but couldn't get my tongue around.

Do you mean he should have had more girlfriends instead of marrying the ones he had?

[WaterofLove]

I found this DS report from 1979, here he is with a woman (from 10.38), maybe it is Holly?

[Justme]

I tend to think that love can be the most precious thing to experience. But it doesn't always last over changing times. But in the end one should find a golden heart.

[Throttle]

Do you mean he should have had more girlfriends instead of marrying the ones he had?

Regret to say, this tempting idea never entered my head. 

Actually it's a bit unusual to encounter such an interesting phenomenon as a passive expectation of initiative from a woman up to willing obedience. It should seem, a man who has enormous possibilities, must be his own master in matters of acceptance and private responsibility for his fate.
Just to be clear, I see nothing reprehensible of that, rather on the contrary, his personality begins to unclose from somewhat unexpected perspective and becomes more humanistic. 

[Pottel]

I found this DS report from 1979, here he is with a woman (from 10.38), maybe it is Holly?

very much looks like her, as much as one can tell from a back.

[silentguy]

Thanks for the Boston 79 and the Bavarian doc.

I had listened and seen those a long time ago.

Haircut does look like Holly from the back, but hard to tell.

[Ingo]

I always thought Holly was later, mid to late 79 or such.

The Bavarian TV docu should be from early 79 (I guess February for the Lonodon footage and late March for the US parts).

[WaterofLove]

I always thought Holly was later, mid to late 79 or such.

The Bavarian TV docu should be from early 79 (I guess February for the Lonodon footage and late March for the US parts).

I think their relationship was from late 78 until late 79. The Boston bootleg is from September 79, and it is likely that was the evening she dumped him on the phone. Holly lived in London and maybe she had the same UK manager (Bicknell)? Maybe she and MK met for the first time in a record studio in London? And then MK got her signed up with his US manager, the thing that made MK convinced she was exploiting him? I guess they met in London the first time. But if you are right, there must be an unknown woman between Kathy and Holly, interesting thoughts.

[JF]

But if you are right, there must be an unknown woman between Kathy and Holly, interesting thoughts.

I don't think so. mark would have wrote at least one song about her then.....

[JF]

I think their relationship was from late 78 until late 79.

I think so too, and it confrims my "theory" that Mark's necklace could be a gift from her, or at least at least something related to her, but I have no proof of that.
He wears this neck lace from around early 79

[JF]

Holly lived in London and maybe she had the same UK manager (Bicknell)?

The oldfield book says that Holly's mangers were Ed and Paul

The Boston bootleg is from September 79, and it is likely that was the evening she dumped him on the phone.

difficult to say. The oldfield book says that the 2nd american tour from 79 began on 8th september, so the Boston gig.
and that Mark began to be more depressed a bit later in the tour.

He saw a doctor and said to him that he was missing Holly
Then it's explained that at this moment Holly was rehearsing in UK, and that Paul phoned her, and then she phoned mark.....

but the book says that this visit to the doctor was in Philadelphia......was it on the 1st american tour in spring ? Maybe the books author confuses a bit between the 2 american tours of the year ?
the book says that Philadelphia was sold out on this 2nd american tour, but there's no bootleg of a gig in Phildadelphia in late 79...

if Holly phoned Mark after his visit to a doctor in Philadelphia, then it was not the same day as the Boston gig

[Lis]

But if you are right, there must be an unknown woman between Kathy and Holly, interesting thoughts.

I don't think so. mark would have wrote at least one song about her then.....

Just curious...  Do we know who he wrote about in Lady Writer?  Portobello Belle or Follow Me Home? 
And for that matter... On Every Street?
 

[Pottel]

i thought on every street was about lourdes...

[JF]

Just curious...  Do we know who he wrote about in Lady Writer?  Portobello Belle or Follow Me Home? 
And for that matter... On Every Street?
 

don't know for sure about Portobello Belle and On every street (but agree with Pottel, "love"songs from late 80ies / early 90ies are likely about Lourdes), but the Oldfiled book says something like :
- "Follow me home is about Mark's past", so I always thought it was about his firts wife, like Water of love, setting me up and six blade knife
- "Lady writer is about an author who was talking about his book on TV", and David says something like "it was too much obvious she was trying to sell his book, we could see it on his face"

we could wonder also about WDYTYG : it was writen before the break up with Holly, so maybe it was originally about his first wife ?
and what about Angel of Mercy : was it about his feeling during his relationship with Holly ? Ed said in the Oldfield book that Marks was "illuminated" by Holly, he really was "in love", like we say in the french : "on his little cloud"