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Author Topic: (18) Sky And Water ##* Spoiler Lyrics *##  (Read 12379 times)

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Re: (18) Sky And Water ##* Spoiler Lyrics *##
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2018, 05:35:17 PM »
His singing on this one is very good. Very nice. 

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Re: (18) Sky And Water ##* Spoiler Lyrics *##
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2018, 12:59:32 AM »
Did you noticed that the official lyrics are wrong for this song:
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I don’t know why I stopped the lads
From going for his throat
Every hand did curse the day
He signed up for the trip
And every hand did know
This was no way to run a ship
Mark actually sings:
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I don’t know why I stopped the *hands*
From going for his throat
Every *man* did curse the day
He signed up for the trip
And every *man* did know
This was no way to run a ship
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Re: (18) Sky And Water ##* Spoiler Lyrics *##
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2018, 02:30:45 AM »
Did you noticed that the official lyrics are wrong for this song:
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I don’t know why I stopped the lads
From going for his throat
Every hand did curse the day
He signed up for the trip
And every hand did know
This was no way to run a ship
Mark actually sings:
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I don’t know why I stopped the *hands*
From going for his throat
Every *man* did curse the day
He signed up for the trip
And every *man* did know
This was no way to run a ship

 :wave :thumbsup Cheers pamplina! Corrected.

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Re: (18) Sky And Water ##* Spoiler Lyrics *##
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2018, 01:08:19 PM »
I think it was Robson asking if any of the new songs could be based on novels. I thought that a very interesting question as we know MK often transforms material that he has read into songs.

However, there are already so many explanations about most of the songs without any hints to books that this one, Sky And Water, seems to me the most possible one with a literary source.

I was researching a lot about this one already.
What we have is a mutiny because of a tyrannical captain on a brig and the Captain who was not murdered by the "hands" but sent away in one of his own boats. The narrator has been lashed and knows that he will do the "hempen jig" which means hanging for mutiny, when coming home. So he and the other mutineers on the brig hope to find land to make a new life.

I found no historical mutiny that fits with the details.

The Bounty is the most famous one with many books written about, but it was no Brig and Bligh was not a tyrant.

Captain Hugh Pigot from the Hermione was a Tyrant but was hacked and killed at the mutiny of 1797.

So maybe MK does only make up a "typical" mutiny here, exemplaric, not basing on facts?

Or he re-tells the fictional story of a novel here, maybe another Patrick O'Brian novel or another author?

What strikes me is that the hanging of Mutineers is again brought up here as already in One Song At A Time which we are already discussing.

I must say I would not be too happy with MK just making it up here, but that's just the pedant in me.
The flogging captain was already portrayed in Privateering, so this song could be seen as Privateering part 2 in a way..

Any ideas? Any books/ movies known that fit with the details?

Sorry for the long post.

LE

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Re: (18) Sky And Water ##* Spoiler Lyrics *##
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2018, 10:23:47 PM »
A part of the melody reminds me "In The Heartland" from Wag The Dog.
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Re: (18) Sky And Water ##* Spoiler Lyrics *##
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2018, 10:56:30 PM »
I think it was Robson asking if any of the new songs could be based on novels. I thought that a very interesting question as we know MK often transforms material that he has read into songs.

However, there are already so many explanations about most of the songs without any hints to books that this one, Sky And Water, seems to me the most possible one with a literary source.

I was researching a lot about this one already.
What we have is a mutiny because of a tyrannical captain on a brig and the Captain who was not murdered by the "hands" but sent away in one of his own boats. The narrator has been lashed and knows that he will do the "hempen jig" which means hanging for mutiny, when coming home. So he and the other mutineers on the brig hope to find land to make a new life.

I found no historical mutiny that fits with the details.

The Bounty is the most famous one with many books written about, but it was no Brig and Bligh was not a tyrant.

Captain Hugh Pigot from the Hermione was a Tyrant but was hacked and killed at the mutiny of 1797.

So maybe MK does only make up a "typical" mutiny here, exemplaric, not basing on facts?

Or he re-tells the fictional story of a novel here, maybe another Patrick O'Brian novel or another author?

What strikes me is that the hanging of Mutineers is again brought up here as already in One Song At A Time which we are already discussing.

I must say I would not be too happy with MK just making it up here, but that's just the pedant in me.
The flogging captain was already portrayed in Privateering, so this song could be seen as Privateering part 2 in a way..

Any ideas? Any books/ movies known that fit with the details?

Sorry for the long post.

LE

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Re: (18) Sky And Water ##* Spoiler Lyrics *##
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2018, 12:00:28 AM »
A part of the melody reminds me "In The Heartland" from Wag The Dog.

Same.

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2018, 09:35:56 AM »
Great song/tune and like LE's thinking...
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2018, 12:49:07 PM »
Someone on Facebook suggested that perhaps the mutineers he refers to are actually the "fakers" of OSAAT; those in "tribute" bands like Legacy etc.  He is always referring to being on tour as being captain of a little ship...
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2018, 05:55:12 PM »
Amazing how the song opinion changes on this album, this one i have liked since beginning but now it's starting to get really good, in my top 5 soon :D


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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2018, 06:20:38 PM »
Amazing how the song opinion changes on this album, this one i have liked since beginning but now it's starting to get really good, in my top 5 soon :D

Me too.  Another bonus track better than many others that made the final cut IMHO.  In fact, all three should've been on the album I think.
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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2018, 11:15:11 PM »
Amazing how the song opinion changes on this album, this one i have liked since beginning but now it's starting to get really good, in my top 5 soon :D

Me too.  Another bonus track better than many others that made the final cut IMHO.  In fact, all three should've been on the album I think.

Agree. Could have replaced BOTDF, NC cow cow  :lol and HU with the bonus songs.

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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2018, 01:13:26 PM »
I love the chorus of "Marks Knopflers" in this song. You can clearly hear that all voices are MK's voices... When I listen to it I could see 5 or 6 Mark Knopflers standing next to each other and singing together, LOL
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Re: (18) Sky And Water ##* Spoiler Lyrics *##
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2018, 01:22:07 PM »
What a wonderful song. We're really getting a double album each time now, with the quality of b-sides and regular album tracks totally interchangeable. Which makes me wonder why the company – trying so hard to be strategically smart with deluxe editions etc., as Mark mentioned jokingly in the FAZ interview – doesn't just to release two albums instead of one. Not a double album, but two separate ones. One, say, in 2018, the next one next year. Wouldn't THAT be an opportunity to make some serious money? You'd think that all they ever care about is what is due their end ...  ;)

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« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2018, 03:02:13 PM »
I love the chorus of "Marks Knopflers" in this song. You can clearly hear that all voices are MK's voices... When I listen to it I could see 5 or 6 Mark Knopflers standing next to each other and singing together, LOL

Yes indeed, a choir of Knopflers!!!
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