Dire Straits - When It Comes To You (Live in Nîmes, France / 1992 / Visualiser)

[Chris W]

While I truly respect having the chance to discuss matters with actual people involved in such matters, the aftertaste from these discussions honestly gives me a gag reflex. That’s, of course, only my opinion, and I can imagine another group of people who would destroy me for saying that, but I had to say it. It’s an opinion (noun, a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge).

I think you're the only person that needs to chill out.
For my part, I just try to set the record straight sometimes, often in the face of people calling me 'annoying'. And now you saying our contributions give you a 'gag reflex'.
Seriously, is that meant to be funny, not taken too seriously?

[hunter v2.0]

Mmmm ... Bucket of tits 

Anyway.

Great to read Ed's input again.

But regarding the OTHER forum; I knew they were running a tight ship over there, but what I'm reading here makes it sound like a fascist country. Like the US. (Ok, let's no go there.) But seriously, who decided the rules on that forum? Don't tell me Mark?!

[Robson]

I just saw all the answers kindly provided by Ed (thank you for that), despite some painful kicks I received, I appreciate the flow of information provided. However, dear Ed, allow me to make a small addition regarding your considerations regarding my first posts in this specific topic:

At no time did I place myself as an important or relevant option to receive the material that I would like to see released in video form by the band's official channel (not that animation released on the official channel that any kid makes for fun, which gave rise to this topic), much less, qualified to take the artist's place, never, God forbid! With every post I've made I've made it clear (I know it won't happen), (in the utopia I conjectured (utopia, because of course they wouldn't do that)... even though it sounds like absolute nonsense to someone in your position, calm down, I've been conjecturing, I've made it clear in every comment I've made, here you've taken me too seriously, or I wasn't cautious enough in my conjecture and it sounded arrogant, I'm sorry for that, I didn't mean it that way. I'm aware of everything you've poured on me, I'm just a drop in the ocean, (IF) I had put myself in the position you've interpreted me in, I would immediately have ZERO relevance, that was my utopia, my DREAMLAND, (A daydream, if you prefer,I don't care). I know I'm a type of fan that belongs to an insignificant percentage of the general DS and MK audience, and here you pull me back to concrete reality, the overwhelming majority of people don't care about any of this that I would like them to. released. Being a fan can be a kind of delirium, especially a fan like I was until now (in certain aspects) and I don't intend to be anymore as a matter of honor. Thank you for your feedback on my conjecture about wanting almost desperately for this material to be released, based on the great feat that was the release of Box Live 78/92, which for me, was an achievement that really surprised me in recent years, in view of this release, I started to think too highly of seeing that all this material was all these years (decades) out of reach of the fans and I clearly see how foolish I have been in my DREAMLAND and even outside of it. The "preservation of the DS legacy" that I mentioned, believe me, was with the best intention of words, it is unnecessary to mention the redundancy that I have NOTHING to do with it, what I think about how it should be is my problem, it is only my point of view as a consumer. Don't think for a second that I disregard all the effort you and everyone around you have put into the DS material. I'm sure they couldn't be in better hands. The success of DS reveals the competence of all of you. The fact that there are some points of disagreement regarding the band's policy of official live releases is just the point of view of a fan who has just turned 40 and who, for more than half of his earthly existence, bought everything he could about DS (all the official records, CDs, DVDs) and who, after that, dove into the universe of bootlegs and discovered a new world. A counterpoint that led me to understand a little more about what Dire Straits really was, something that the official material never let me know. For this reason, I have been hungry for official releases like the aforementioned Box Live 78/92 for a long time.

Thank you again. It is impossible not to learn important things when interacting with someone like you.

Cheers!

I understand you perfectly Brunno.

[Robson]

Example, there was a big disagreement about the CE video which I thought was mediocre but after spending £100,000 ( not the band ) we couldn’t change it and I lost that one!
Lesson…do not leave your artist alone in a bar at 2 am with a video director and a bottle of Chateau Rothschild Gnat’s Piss 1990

 

[dustyvalentino]

Mmmm ... Bucket of tits 

Anyway.

Great to read Ed's input again.

But regarding the OTHER forum; I knew they were running a tight ship over there, but what I'm reading here makes it sound like fascist country. Like the US. (Ok, let's no go there.) But seriously, who decided the rules on that forum? Don't tell me Mark?!

It was Terry, to be fair to him it was semi official, moderating is never easy and making sure you don’t piss off the record company or management or whatever will make it even harder.

[Pottel]

The main problem I have with this forum, and something I’m fed up with beyond belief and something that seriously makes me think of abandoning the place too often (I won’t announce it, of course), is too many people taking too many things too fucking seriously. I know you can’t buy a sense of humour and you can’t learn to laugh at yourself, but these are my observations from all recent discussions.

Take the entire "raw material" drama. Started as an innocent comment from a fan dreaming about an obviously impossible idea of having raw videos from On The Night, it quickly attracted an army led by Captain Obvious, thinking we took hostages and demanded to give us raw material or we’d start killing them one by one. And we’re a bunch of dorks who think we can do a better job than a team of professionals. I mean, what the fuck?

Nearly every, even slightly controversial, statement sparks 20 pages of pointless back-and-forth with a blind person talking to a deaf person, at the end of which Ed and Chris announce their victory in defeating stupid fans. There are a million ways to stop these dreams in a more polite, fun and less dramatic way, but people prefer to choose violence. And I, for one, is not somebody willing to turn the other cheek.

While I truly respect having the chance to discuss matters with actual people involved in such matters, the aftertaste from these discussions honestly gives me a gag reflex. That’s, of course, only my opinion, and I can imagine another group of people who would destroy me for saying that, but I had to say it. It’s an opinion (noun, a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge).

Chill out, folks. As I said many times, it’s a humble discussion forum that exists solely for people to politely discuss all things MK. Personal attacks, calling people names, stating obvious facts, twisting and distorting someone's words, and all this shit only make people angry for no reason, clog up threads and give us utterly false impressions about each other. A laugh saves the day!

We're all grown ups here, for me a little bit of edge and as we say in the UK "taking the piss" makes everything more fund and interesting and I don't take any of this nonsense personally. If you feel something has crossed the line and broken rules, use the report function.

Where do you want to draw the line? Do you want Ed to stop "calling people names"? Should I be offended that Ed compared me to dead blonde legend and gay icon Dusty Springfield, even though most of those things apply to me also?

hilarious....

[ds1984]

What the record company will try to cash in for BIA 40th aniversary release?

I think the only correct approach is about market and money.

Is there a way that releasing the full Live in Wembley Arena being worthly profitable for Universal ?

The record co works with what they are given, surely you get that?
Why does the 40th anniversary need celebrating at all, that album was beaten to death eons ago and I don’t need reminding of my age 👨‍🦳<<- old incontinent rock manager.
They don’t own the tapes so no, anyway, where are the tapes?

Dear uncle ED,

Big smile on my face reading you answer

Isn't it funny that BIA 40th was announced a few hours after your post ?

Ok I was wrong about Wembley but the tapes from San Antone are in Guy's hands   

Your pessimistic view, despite being relevant, about the vaults can be proven wrong sometimes.

[hunter v2.0]

Mmmm ... Bucket of tits 

Anyway.

Great to read Ed's input again.

But regarding the OTHER forum; I knew they were running a tight ship over there, but what I'm reading here makes it sound like fascist country. Like the US. (Ok, let's no go there.) But seriously, who decided the rules on that forum? Don't tell me Mark?!

It was Terry, to be fair to him it was semi official, moderating is never easy and making sure you don’t piss off the record company or management or whatever will make it even harder.

Sure. That of course explains the limits on number of posts. But that you couldn't voice critical opinions is just too much and pointless. Good riddance, I'd say.

[Billy’s Tune]

Is Terry still about? I met him at some Steve Phillips gigs - nice chap!

[Jules]

What the record company will try to cash in for BIA 40th aniversary release?

I think the only correct approach is about market and money.

Is there a way that releasing the full Live in Wembley Arena being worthly profitable for Universal ?

The record co works with what they are given, surely you get that?
Why does the 40th anniversary need celebrating at all, that album was beaten to death eons ago and I don’t need reminding of my age 👨‍🦳<<- old incontinent rock manager.
They don’t own the tapes so no, anyway, where are the tapes?

Dear uncle ED,

Big smile on my face reading you answer

Isn't it funny that BIA 40th was announced a few hours after your post ?

Ok I was wrong about Wembley but the tapes from San Antone are in Guy's hands   

Your pessimistic view, despite being relevant, about the vaults can be proven wrong sometimes.

Funnily, some of fans guided Guy throught his forums to where search for the tapes...

[Chris W]

BTW, it's an industry wide problem that old analog tapes have degraded over time, some have been mislaid, a massive amount were lost due to a big warehouse fire. Sometimes only a stereo master is available, sometimes only a digital copy.

[dustyvalentino]

What the record company will try to cash in for BIA 40th aniversary release?

I think the only correct approach is about market and money.

Is there a way that releasing the full Live in Wembley Arena being worthly profitable for Universal ?

The record co works with what they are given, surely you get that?
Why does the 40th anniversary need celebrating at all, that album was beaten to death eons ago and I don’t need reminding of my age 👨‍🦳<<- old incontinent rock manager.
They don’t own the tapes so no, anyway, where are the tapes?

Dear uncle ED,

Big smile on my face reading you answer

Isn't it funny that BIA 40th was announced a few hours after your post ?

Ok I was wrong about Wembley but the tapes from San Antone are in Guy's hands   

Your pessimistic view, despite being relevant, about the vaults can be proven wrong sometimes.

Not sure how wrong Ed was here, we're getting a remastered version of something we have had for years. Welcome, but not as dramatic as the unheard Rainbow show.

[ds1984]

Not sure how wrong Ed was here, we're getting a remastered version of something we have had for years. Welcome, but not as dramatic as the unheard Rainbow show.

Just remastered?
Or newly mixed from a multitrack tape? 

The point is that Ed was giving every reason why these shows are not to be released.
And all reasons were valid points.

But hopefully there are still some persons with the will to make it possible and spending time and money (they doesn't work for free do they?) to locate the stuff.

Regarding the 1992 september broadcast from Nimes.

I understantd that our beloved uncle ED is not remembering this, 30 years after the facts in a country that awarded him with a gold record by a disco band covering Dire Straits.
Again he gave thoeries about possible reasons for the tape to be lost.


First I remember watching the show again few years after on the public TV channel.

As everything aired by public TV in France is by law stored for archival pupose by INA I know that a backup copy exists.
And to my know they are serious with this.

Second although I have no proof, I would be surprised that Canal+ did not store the show in their own archive.

Third Canal+ and UMG are both subsidiaries of Vivendi, so despite being different entities  they are owned by the same persons/companies.

So if UMG was willing to release or use part of this show these would be positive reasons to make it possible.

[dustyvalentino]

Hopefully newly mixed. My understanding is that radio broadcasts from that time were usually stereo only but delighted if that’s not the case. Also AI can be used to make even mono sources multitrack these days.

[ds1984]

Hopefully newly mixed. My understanding is that radio broadcasts from that time were usually stereo only but delighted if that’s not the case. Also AI can be used to make even mono sources multitrack these days.

Well that really depends.
The KBFH show or even the BBC live recordings seems to be multitracks recordings.
I don't know if the german NDR or italian RAI are doing multitrack.