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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #105 on: March 21, 2025, 10:24:31 PM »
There is only one concert that could have been a better choice. October 11, 1985 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, New York.   :)

To be a choice is needed that was professionally recorded.

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #106 on: March 21, 2025, 10:35:37 PM »
There is only one concert that could have been a better choice. October 11, 1985 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, New York.   :)

To be a choice is needed that was professionally recorded.

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #107 on: March 22, 2025, 01:17:42 AM »
I've enjoyed the San Antonio bootleg for years, actually a bit of a treat for me that this one got "the treatment." It's just a really fun performance, and the Walk Of Life mix is fabulous. Mark's guitar is cranked!

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #108 on: March 22, 2025, 07:43:20 AM »
There is also a bootleg from a concert two weeks before San Antonio. I believe it was called American tour 1985. Live at Cuyahoga Falls august 5.
Also a good one

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #109 on: March 22, 2025, 09:41:37 AM »
Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #110 on: March 22, 2025, 10:05:47 AM »
I'll change my point of view about my "complains" about something "new".
I checked the DS's Spotify and YT channels and, to be fair, for a regular+ fan perspective, whats its being released, is very good indeed.

The Honky Tonk demos.

The long waited full Alchemy concert with Industrial Desease, Twisting By The Pool and Portobello Belle.

The whole recorded songs for On The Night.

The Rainbow Concert which is completey new. And with Phil on couple os songs is pure gold.

Now the Brothers In Arms 40th aniversary with the San Antonio live concert.... Very good indeed.

The DS website is very cool and fun.

On the YouTube channel have plenty of material that could be "too much" for a fisical release. However, suits very well for YouTube or "almost official" release. There are interviews, concerts and songs from 1978 until 1992.

MK's Youtube channel releases a lot of material. Live compilations for all possible tours. Interviews, NHB...

And I'm sure that will have plenty of "new" material waiting to see the sun thru the DS/MK's YT channel.

To a die-hard fan perspective, nothing of this, except the Rainbow Concert, are new for many of us.
We deal with bootlegs since forever and there is nothing really, really new for us.
Maybe the 'Italian Collector' could have some never-listened material that could surprise even Ed himself. However, this kind of material have a very strict audience and, yes, does not fit for a 'official release'.
To my perpective, these very rare material suits best for exclusively circulation.

Some of us dream about things that, at the moment doesn't have real commercial value. For those things, I bet they will be at YouTube at some point.

After this "research", In my opinion, there is nothing to complain.

For my taste, Alchemy decreased his "power" with the include of these songs (except Portobello)
Some songs like Fade To Black, to me, should have kept out.

To be fair, DS is on the right path.
Except that it does not communicate with the new audience anymore.


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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #111 on: March 22, 2025, 10:08:21 AM »
Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?

Good post.

And if it came down to it, I’d rather have the live stuff than scraps of outtakes etc.

Remember we did actually get the full unfazed ending of Telegraph Road, anybody listen to that often?!
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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #112 on: March 22, 2025, 12:30:06 PM »
Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?

Yes, it's true, but this only became a reality after decades and decades. Today, we have a lot of material, as my dear friend Rolo pointed out, however, it was a long wait. Every criticism I've seen about this aspect has always been related to the past history, since the times when the band was active. Personally, I always had the feeling that there were gaps, but now this is being repaired through the Live 78/92 box set, in the same way as the San Antonio 85 live set. Personally, I don't have that complaint today.

For a long, long time, I always found a bootleg recording more interesting because it reveals a more complete experience with a full show, always allowing you to gauge what the band was like at each historical moment through their tours. As we know, a version of Sultans of Swing on the LOG tour is very different from how it was played on the OES tour, the same goes for many other songs, this striking feature in DS live has always been something that has made them stand out a lot, creating a new live experience through new arrangements, has always been one of the things we all love about the band, it is in this panorama that so many incredible things happen through MK's guitar, this has always been a great fuel for me and so many other people, and now we have the opportunity to appreciate it officially through these releases.
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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #113 on: March 22, 2025, 01:06:21 PM »
TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!

Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?

Sorry - both versions are roughly equal.  Both excellent.

It's always good watching the video.  I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...

I always adored the rock ending of BIA at the Wembley show and it's a shame it dissappeared at some point.
I just did a quick check on one of the bootleg recordings of SA and I'm happy it's still there (allthough I agree with you the Wembley version is slightly better).

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #114 on: March 22, 2025, 01:44:04 PM »
TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!

Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?

Sorry - both versions are roughly equal.  Both excellent.

It's always good watching the video.  I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...

I always adored the rock ending of BIA at the Wembley show and it's a shame it dissappeared at some point.
I just did a quick check on one of the bootleg recordings of SA and I'm happy it's still there (allthough I agree with you the Wembley version is slightly better).
Indeed. Everybody says the best version of BIA is Mandela 88, but I disagree. Mandela is indeed wonderful, but those early (85) versions, with the Les Paul weeping, speed, energy, and rocking ending, have the edge. Never done like this since again. Too bad... Yes, the keyboards are a bit cheesy... But I love cheese! 😋

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #115 on: March 22, 2025, 01:57:26 PM »
Also, re TOL, the end solo is 25 seconds longer on Wembley than in San Antonio. More developped, I like it better.

There is really something special about this Wembley concert. Should have really beer released on blu-ray.

And to add insult to injury, they realeased on their official YT channel everything that was broadcasted on TV from this concert... except TOL and BIA, the most important songs of this tour. (and SR, but who cares). Shame!

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #116 on: March 22, 2025, 03:55:25 PM »
Finally an official BIA live! :clap
The first track sounds fabulous. Out of curiosity I compared this Walk of life against the version of On the night, both technically and recording in my opinion this is from another planet!! great rhythm that I touch on the Schecter!

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #117 on: March 22, 2025, 04:40:16 PM »
Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?

We don't have any complete 83 recording, it has Portobello cut and there are more than 5/6 minutes missing and the link between Portobello and Tunnel.

We don't have any 92 full recording, just a mix of songs from here and there that don't do a complete concert. Actually in length is longer than an actual complete concert, but it doesn't fit with any complete and real concert concept.

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #118 on: March 22, 2025, 05:00:48 PM »
Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?

We don't have any complete 83 recording, it has Portobello cut and there are more than 5/6 minutes missing and the link between Portobello and Tunnel.

We don't have any 92 full recording, just a mix of songs from here and there that don't do a complete concert. Actually in length is longer than an actual complete concert, but it doesn't fit with any complete and real concert concept.

This is true about OTN, but since its conception, it was designed with this characteristic, the result of songs from four shows, two in Nimes and two in Rotterdam, 10 days apart. In this sense, Alchemy is more cohesive in revealing the most real experience of a DS show. OTN in the box is wonderful because it contains more songs, but it will never reveal a real Dire Straits show, only if it releases one of the shows in its entirety. Nimes or Rotterdam (May 92), Basel 92 or Nimes 92 (October) give us this experience that OTN lacks, but this is only important for completist fans like me, you and a minority, we are the exception of the exceptions, zero hope of that happening.
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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #119 on: March 22, 2025, 05:17:42 PM »
Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?

We don't have any complete 83 recording, it has Portobello cut and there are more than 5/6 minutes missing and the link between Portobello and Tunnel.

We don't have any 92 full recording, just a mix of songs from here and there that don't do a complete concert. Actually in length is longer than an actual complete concert, but it doesn't fit with any complete and real concert concept.

But these are details (also important to me). It's worth appreciating the fact that we officially have all the concert tours:)
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