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Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2025, 09:52:55 PM »
Always loved JI's bass line in this song - really drove it.  Eat that GW!  ;)
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Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2025, 09:58:23 PM »
Does anyone know the time signature and are there any other well known songs that use that? I think it’s 3 bars of 4/4 and then a bar of 2/4 for the verses?

It's in 7/4
However have this 4/4 feel



Wow, that's bought up loads of search results for me now with the 7/4 time. Thank you Rolo  :thumbsup

You are welcome.
Actually, the song have a mixture of 7/4 and 4/4.
If you count on 4/4 or 2/4 you will note that the strong tempo (aka 1) will change.

And Pick's drumming in this song is flawless.

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Ha!
From Alchemy is a implícit 4/4 and 2/4 Groove. But is on 7
3 times 4/4 And 1 time 2/4 = 14 (2 Of 7/4)

Sorry my baaaaad english

Ah, I see the difference I think. Terry hits the snare on the last 2/4 bar where as Pick just slightly opened the hi hats on that 2/4? Terry also puts snares in other places as well whereas Pick left it to accents on the hi hats.

I once jammed it with a drummer and we sat and watched Alchemy OUATITW to figure out the drums. The drummer, as I remember, said that the only way he could get his head around it was that it was some kind of 4/4 x3 and 2/4 x1. But we were only young so I thought in hindsight that he had just found a cheeky "work around". I never noticed the difference between Terrys and Picks until now.

Thanks again Rolo  :thumbsup

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Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2025, 10:42:21 PM »
I found a book that was published many years ago. Rock Poets.

Songs by Mark Knopfler:

Ride Across the River
Private Investigations
Why Worry
Brothers in Arms, and...
Once Upon a Time in the West :)
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Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2025, 11:23:39 PM »
If you Google, some people say 14/4!

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Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Reply #19 on: Today at 12:33:07 AM »
If you Google, some people say 14/4!

Where is our dear Chris Whitten?

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Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Reply #20 on: Today at 12:36:24 AM »
If you Google, some people say 14/4!

In my knowledge, is 7/4 75bpm.
Could double it to 150bpm 14/4

Where is our dear Chris Whitten?

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Re: Once Upon A Time In The West lyrics
« Reply #21 on: Today at 01:06:43 AM »
If you Google, some people say 14/4!

In my knowledge, is 7/4 75bpm.
Could double it to 150bpm 14/4

Where is our dear Chris Whitten?

Well lets say the BPM stays the same, I think as you have suggested if I’m not misunderstanding, is that Terry kind of just approached that same rhythm slightly differently than PIck, with Terry adding snares in some places where Pick used high hats accents.

The problem is that Google is probably just scraping sites for data and using AI to give a time signature answer. Isn’t the point that the song kind of has more than one time signature in it? Is that allowed even? I’m not sure. I'm not a drummer.

My questioning of the time signature orignated because I had got feedback from a drummer friend trying to learn OUATITW, with him watching Alchemy (VHS back in the day), not the original studio Pick version. I’m not a drummer, so I don’t quite understand the intricacies of it, but I always wondered, for years actually, what was going on with the drumming in that song. It seems to change time signatures all over the place. I don’t know who came up with that arrangement, Mark or Pick. They make it sound effortless/seemless with the studio version which is amazing.

My original thought that I lost along the way, was that it may have been harder, or less like a natural flow of thought, to write lyrics to/around that rhythm


 

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