Pick Withers Live - 78 and 81. A Musical Analysis.

[wayaman]

You always needs practice, but naturally talented needs less as it all comes easily than someone not naturally talented who needs a lot of more prac6.

[Chris W]

I don't believe in natural talent, and there are a lot of drummers who play as well as Colaiuta.

[wayaman]

I don't believe in natural talent, and there are a lot of drummers who play as well as Colaiuta.

Catched!

[wayaman]

Another friend has another great example of natural talent related to football.

He uses to say that Messi doesn't need more than physical work to stay fit for a game because everything he does is natural talent, while Cristiano need a lot of hours of gym work and training, apart of the being fit for a game work, to be Cristiano. Because Messi has natural talent, and Cristiano a lot of work to be talented.

I see it the same way with everything, including music. Some have to work very hard to be very good, some only have to work to stay musically fit.

[Chris W]

Not to get into very deep and well worn debate, but you find that a lot of people with 'natural talent' did a lot of practice while they felt they were just having fun. I'm sure Mark just spent hours and hours playing guitar because he enjoyed it. he probably never saw it as practice.
Messi was probably kicking a ball about from two or three years old. When other kids arguing to the beach or parties, these 'naturally talented' kids are spending hours kicking a football, or playing a guitar in their bedroom.

On the downside, I just think saying a drummer is 'naturally talented' dismisses the hours and hours of hard work they put in as a youngster.

[wayaman]

Not to get into very deep and well worn debate, but you find that a lot of people with 'natural talent' did a lot of practice while they felt they were just having fun. I'm sure Mark just spent hours and hours playing guitar because he enjoyed it. he probably never saw it as practice.
Messi was probably kicking a ball about from two or three years old. When other kids arguing to the beach or parties, these 'naturally talented' kids are spending hours kicking a football, or playing a guitar in their bedroom.

On the downside, I just think saying a drummer is 'naturally talented' dismisses the hours and hours of hard work they put in as a youngster.

I see it as a naturally talented drummer needs 1000 hours of practicing, while a non naturally talented spends 1.000.000 hours to play the same.

I'm not saying one thing is better than the other, what worths is the final result of being a great drummer, but it's true that some needs more practicing than others because of that.

[Rolleyway Man]

Not to get into very deep and well worn debate, but you find that a lot of people with 'natural talent' did a lot of practice while they felt they were just having fun. I'm sure Mark just spent hours and hours playing guitar because he enjoyed it. he probably never saw it as practice.
Messi was probably kicking a ball about from two or three years old. When other kids arguing to the beach or parties, these 'naturally talented' kids are spending hours kicking a football, or playing a guitar in their bedroom.

On the downside, I just think saying a drummer is 'naturally talented' dismisses the hours and hours of hard work they put in as a youngster.

Perhaps I should have worded it differently. Vinnie’s phenomenal skill as a drummer often seems almost effortless to me. Obviously it’s not totally effortless and many, many hours of practice and experience with all sorts of different outfits have gone into making him the astonishing drummer that he became. But that incredible, bright, tight sound he gets out of the drums, particularly his snare sound, is just something else. And whether he’s playing a simple beat or some hugely advanced solo, it just seems to be a flick of the wrists for him. He brings such elasticity to a song. This is why I’m not into drummers from the hard rock world (not naming names to save myself from getting rinsed here!) who just seem to smash the living shit out of the drums with little to no finesse.

[Chris W]

I'm not sure Mark wanted another virtuoso competing for space on tour, but I guess he accepted Paul Franklin.

[dustyvalentino]

I'm not sure Mark wanted another virtuoso competing for space on tour, but I guess he accepted Paul Franklin.

I mean, there's also a practical element to it. People love his guitar playing and that's a big part of why they go to a show. I would be annoyed if I went to a DS show and someone else was playing 50% of the guitar solos, because that's not what I paid for.

The only guitar player (not counting pedal steel as it's a different instrument) that I felt came close to overwhelming MK was Mike Henderson, who to be fair was doing something completely different.

[Marijn]

Natural talent is good to start with. It gives you pole position.
But yet, there's still a race to run, which requires practicing, dedication and devotion (I could write a song about that).

[dustyvalentino]

Natural talent is good to start with. It gives you pole position.
But yet, there's still a race to run, which requires practicing, dedication and devotion (I could write a song about that).

Too late

[ds1984]

Natural talent is good to start with. It gives you pole position.
But yet, there's still a race to run, which requires practicing, dedication and devotion (I could write a song about that).

Speedway To Nazareth...

[YorkshirePudding]

Not to get into very deep and well worn debate, but you find that a lot of people with 'natural talent' did a lot of practice while they felt they were just having fun. I'm sure Mark just spent hours and hours playing guitar because he enjoyed it. he probably never saw it as practice.
Messi was probably kicking a ball about from two or three years old. When other kids arguing to the beach or parties, these 'naturally talented' kids are spending hours kicking a football, or playing a guitar in their bedroom.

On the downside, I just think saying a drummer is 'naturally talented' dismisses the hours and hours of hard work they put in as a youngster.

I agree that anyone that gets to the top of their field (whether it be football, drumming, guitar, painting etc.) has also combined their natural talent with countless hours of practise and dedication, but I also think you need an innate talent to get to a decent standard in anything.

As an example, I loved football when I was a kid (still do) and spent endless time playing and practising, but I know that no matter how much time I spent doing that, I would never ever have been good enough to play at any sort of professional level. I just don't have that "natural talent" to be able to get to that level.

Some people have more of that talent than others, and those that also have the drive and dedication to put the time into practising and studying are the ones that get to be the superstars - such as yourself - play in the top bands. 

[Chris W]

Some people have more of that talent than others

I don't believe so.
Some children are exposed to music as infants, others are exposed to science, or football.

[fan no more]

Some people have more of that talent than others

I don't believe so.

What is there to believe? LOL