Real Girl... should it have been released, and if so... where?

[JF]

Whenever I think of rare recordings and b-sides of singles, etc., I'm reminded of The Cure collector's box set: The Cure Join the Dots: B-Sides & Rarities 1978–2001.

Well... both Studio Album Boxes have a b-side compilation album inside.

LE

yes for solo stuff, but sadlly not on the DS studio box

Exactly! But maybe the answer is very simple. There's very little material.

yes but at least they could have put :

- where do you think you're going (demo ): 1 track (it had been released on the MFN comp, so obviously they had at least this tape)
- ExtendedDancEPlay : 3 tracks
- Badges, stickers.. : 1 track (official release as B-side, and on some EP edtiions)
- Millionaire blues and kingdome come : 2 tracks officially released as B-sides

thas makes 7 tracks

and maybe they could have found again the Sultans single version, it's an official release, so the tape may not be that hard to find
also the eastbound train B side official release too

so you come with almost 10 tracks, it can makes easily a bonus CD imho

and with a little research, I think they could have found all communqiué demos (if they found WDYTYG in 1988, why didn't they foudn others tracks ?  )

so the answer is not that there was very little material, it's more that they didn't make any effort imho

[wayaman]

Whenever I think of rare recordings and b-sides of singles, etc., I'm reminded of The Cure collector's box set: The Cure Join the Dots: B-Sides & Rarities 1978–2001.

Well... both Studio Album Boxes have a b-side compilation album inside.

LE

yes for solo stuff, but sadlly not on the DS studio box

Exactly! But maybe the answer is very simple. There's very little material.

yes but at least they could have put :

- where do you think you're going (demo ): 1 track (it had been released on the MFN comp, so obviously they had at least this tape)
- ExtendedDancEPlay : 3 tracks
- Badges, stickers.. : 1 track (official release as B-side, and on some EP edtiions)
- Millionaire blues and kingdome come : 2 tracks officially released as B-sides

thas makes 7 tracks

and maybe they could have found again the Sultans single version, it's an official release, so the tape may not be that hard to find
also the eastbound train B side official release too

so you come with almost 10 tracks, it can makes easily a bonus CD imho

and with a little research, I think they could have found all communqiué demos (if they found WDYTYG in 1988, why didn't they foudn others tracks ?  )

so the answer is not that there was very little material, it's more that they didn't make any effort imho

They couldn't find the tape of the "Where do you think" version on MFN compilation, Guy had to use AI software to extract the multitracks for the atmos version.

If they couldn't find the tape for something that was officially released, imagine fiding the tapes of rejected stuff or demos unused...

[Robson]

Whenever I think of rare recordings and b-sides of singles, etc., I'm reminded of The Cure collector's box set: The Cure Join the Dots: B-Sides & Rarities 1978–2001.

Well... both Studio Album Boxes have a b-side compilation album inside.

LE

yes for solo stuff, but sadlly not on the DS studio box

Exactly! But maybe the answer is very simple. There's very little material.

yes but at least they could have put :

- where do you think you're going (demo ): 1 track (it had been released on the MFN comp, so obviously they had at least this tape)
- ExtendedDancEPlay : 3 tracks
- Badges, stickers.. : 1 track (official release as B-side, and on some EP edtiions)
- Millionaire blues and kingdome come : 2 tracks officially released as B-sides

thas makes 7 tracks

and maybe they could have found again the Sultans single version, it's an official release, so the tape may not be that hard to find
also the eastbound train B side official release too

so you come with almost 10 tracks, it can makes easily a bonus CD imho

and with a little research, I think they could have found all communqiué demos (if they found WDYTYG in 1988, why didn't they foudn others tracks ?  )

so the answer is not that there was very little material, it's more that they didn't make any effort imho

Yes, I agree. I'd also like a CD of the Charlie Gillett sessions.

[dustyvalentino]

Live at the Hope and Anchor had a CD release so there's a tape of Eastbound Train kicking about. It's on Spotify as well.

[Robson]

I was thinking about Charlie Gillett's Honky Tonk show But that's impossible because four demo songs were released on vinyl for RSD.

[Brunno Nunes]

As Ed said, they were always pretty strict on the standards of stuff that got released, hence the scramble for stuff for B-sides. And it also seems they were pretty lax with archiving any demos etc (WHERE ARE THE TAPES?!)

"Where are the tapes..."

Rainbow Theatre 79
Songs from the first night of Alchemy
On The Night (broader version)
San Antonio 85

Something is happening, that's a fact. There must certainly be more stored away; who would have imagined a recording like Rainbow Theatre 79 in 2023? That was a good sign, even today it resonates incredibly with me that they released that show, even the band being featured on Live At the BBC is a good sign. Just imagine if they release the complete show with Portobello Belle with David on keyboards (yes, it's rarely mentioned, but it seems there was a keyboard in the band during that 78 period, David Knopfler was the first keyboardist of Dire Straits).
Anyway... who knows what Guy and John have found...

[Brunno Nunes]

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and with a little research, I think they could have found all communqiué demos (if they found WDYTYG in 1988, why didn't they foudn others tracks ?  )
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That's what I've always thought, and the same probably applies to the first night of Alchemy. The Love Over Gold music video was taken from Alchemy, although that song wasn't included in the video release, strangely enough, but there might be a video recording of it and the other songs that were left out. Anyway, these are possibilities that are a little more tangible today, given the recent releases, although quite unlikely, I admit, given the history of releases.

[Brunno Nunes]

The show on September 11, 1977, at Clapham Common Bandstand, London, UK, from what I've seen in photos, was probably recorded by Charlie Gillett. It seems that the radio station recorded it, as it was also a promotion for the radio program, where the bands performed to help promote the Honky Tonk Radio Show with DJ Charlie Gillett.

Who knows, the BBC might have it in their archives, or it might be with Charlie Gillett.

[dustyvalentino]

Who knows, the BBC might have it in their archives, or it might be with Charlie Gillett.

If it's with Charlie Gillett you will have to get your spade out...

[JF]

yes, it's rarely mentioned, but it seems there was a keyboard in the band during that 78 period, David Knopfler was the first keyboardist of Dire Straits

yes indeed. we can hear him on the Barbarella's bootleg

[wayaman]

The show on September 11, 1977, at Clapham Common Bandstand, London, UK, from what I've seen in photos, was probably recorded by Charlie Gillett. It seems that the radio station recorded it, as it was also a promotion for the radio program, where the bands performed to help promote the Honky Tonk Radio Show with DJ Charlie Gillett.

Who knows, the BBC might have it in their archives, or it might be with Charlie Gillett.

The concert was broadcasted live by Radio London but not recorded. I spent half a year searching for it and contacting many people and that's what happened. Only chance is someone recorded it at the time and still has it but I haven't any luck contacting Darts and Rico fans.

Neither Gillett family has it, they donated all he had to the London library, which I searched too. With that donation is how the Honky Tonk tapes were released, as MK got the tapes that Charlie had

[Brunno Nunes]

Who knows, the BBC might have it in their archives, or it might be with Charlie Gillett.

If it's with Charlie Gillett you will have to get your spade out...

Someone could simply contact his family.

[Brunno Nunes]

The show on September 11, 1977, at Clapham Common Bandstand, London, UK, from what I've seen in photos, was probably recorded by Charlie Gillett. It seems that the radio station recorded it, as it was also a promotion for the radio program, where the bands performed to help promote the Honky Tonk Radio Show with DJ Charlie Gillett.

Who knows, the BBC might have it in their archives, or it might be with Charlie Gillett.

The concert was broadcasted live by Radio London but not recorded. I spent half a year searching for it and contacting many people and that's what happened. Only chance is someone recorded it at the time and still has it but I haven't any luck contacting Darts and Rico fans.

Neither Gillett family has it, they donated all he had to the London library, which I searched too. With that donation is how the Honky Tonk tapes were released, as MK got the tapes that Charlie had

You did exactly what I would have done if I had the opportunity, congratulations on the initiative!. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

It's possible that someone recorded this broadcast, but finding it in 2025 would be incredibly lucky; the closest I got was this:

https://youtu.be/vTmjICWTCzs?si=-b5HcQttOyd9mIiQ]https://youtu.be/vTmjICWTCzs?si=-b5HcQttOyd9mIiQ

Almost...

Who knows, maybe someone could get in touch with the person who runs that channel.

[wayaman]

The show on September 11, 1977, at Clapham Common Bandstand, London, UK, from what I've seen in photos, was probably recorded by Charlie Gillett. It seems that the radio station recorded it, as it was also a promotion for the radio program, where the bands performed to help promote the Honky Tonk Radio Show with DJ Charlie Gillett.

Who knows, the BBC might have it in their archives, or it might be with Charlie Gillett.

The concert was broadcasted live by Radio London but not recorded. I spent half a year searching for it and contacting many people and that's what happened. Only chance is someone recorded it at the time and still has it but I haven't any luck contacting Darts and Rico fans.

Neither Gillett family has it, they donated all he had to the London library, which I searched too. With that donation is how the Honky Tonk tapes were released, as MK got the tapes that Charlie had

You did exactly what I would have done if I had the opportunity, congratulations on the initiative!. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

It's possible that someone recorded this broadcast, but finding it in 2025 would be incredibly lucky; the closest I got was this:

https://youtu.be/vTmjICWTCzs?si=-b5HcQttOyd9mIiQ]https://youtu.be/vTmjICWTCzs?si=-b5HcQttOyd9mIiQ

Almost...

Who knows, maybe someone could get in touch with the person who runs that channel.

It's difficult as Radio London has been part of the BBC, also an independent radio, again part of the BBC, again independent, also independent but part of the BBC at the same time, it was a nightmare to get in touch with someone related to that radio at that time.

Most of the recordings donated by the Gillett family are available to listen at the London library, one close to the Regent Park area, they have a website with a list of material but can't find it now.

[Brunno Nunes]

The show on September 11, 1977, at Clapham Common Bandstand, London, UK, from what I've seen in photos, was probably recorded by Charlie Gillett. It seems that the radio station recorded it, as it was also a promotion for the radio program, where the bands performed to help promote the Honky Tonk Radio Show with DJ Charlie Gillett.

Who knows, the BBC might have it in their archives, or it might be with Charlie Gillett.

The concert was broadcasted live by Radio London but not recorded. I spent half a year searching for it and contacting many people and that's what happened. Only chance is someone recorded it at the time and still has it but I haven't any luck contacting Darts and Rico fans.

Neither Gillett family has it, they donated all he had to the London library, which I searched too. With that donation is how the Honky Tonk tapes were released, as MK got the tapes that Charlie had

You did exactly what I would have done if I had the opportunity, congratulations on the initiative!. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

It's possible that someone recorded this broadcast, but finding it in 2025 would be incredibly lucky; the closest I got was this:

https://youtu.be/vTmjICWTCzs?si=-b5HcQttOyd9mIiQ]https://youtu.be/vTmjICWTCzs?si=-b5HcQttOyd9mIiQ

Almost...

Who knows, maybe someone could get in touch with the person who runs that channel.

It's difficult as Radio London has been part of the BBC, also an independent radio, again part of the BBC, again independent, also independent but part of the BBC at the same time, it was a nightmare to get in touch with someone related to that radio at that time.

Most of the recordings donated by the Gillett family are available to listen at the London library, one close to the Regent Park area, they have a website with a list of material but can't find it now.

As you can see in this video, perhaps someone connected to the band Darts might have some information about this performance.

https://youtu.be/vTmjICWTCzs?si=-b5HcQttOyd9mIiQ