A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: straitsway75 on August 22, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
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Hi Amiters,
After Privateering Tour, wonderful tour really awesome well played and sung, I want to draw your attention to the only tour that Mark has deleted :'( :'( :'( :'( for the reasons that we know that is 'The Ragpicker's dream Tour.
From what I remember the band that was supposed to accompany Mark was different from that of STP 01', had to be there if I remember correctly, Marcus Cliff, Danny, Guy and another musician on cittern tha not remember the name :hmm . Guy after the deletion tour had made known by his site the list of tracks they had musical rehearsals to play in tour, like On evey Street ::) ::).
I ask you if you remember the whole list and band members who join in it.
Thanks.
gIANCARLO
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Wasn't Glenn Worf supposed to be involved ?
The other guy who was to be a multi-instrumentalist is Fats Kaplin.
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I would say that musically, the TRD tour has been replaced by the KTGC tour :
2008 setlist had more TRD tracks than KTGC tracks :
up to 5 at Amsterdam : WAM, HFB, MT, DGTK, DB
I am listening to 2008 stuff by now, and I think that the 2003 tour would have sounded this way, but of course it's just speculation.
Marks obviosuly wanted to play some stuff from TRD.
after the 2003 tour deleted, what could he do ? plyaing this sruff on 2005 tour, but it would have dropped some stuff from Shangri-La, which he obviously didn't want.
then in 2008, it didn't bother him to drop stuff from KTGC in order to play stuff from TRD.
in 2010 he went back to TRD again with Coyote, and kept HFB.
the TRD album is obviously one of his fav, while KTGC is not...
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"Cittern" made its first appearance in Mark's oeuvre in 2008 with John McCusker. Fats Kaplin was intended to play pedal steel which made the apprearance of On Every Street possible, something that Guy hinted would have been on the possible playlist if I remember correctly. Or was it The Man's Too Strong"... or both?
LE
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"Cittern" made its first appearance in Mark's oeuvre in 2008 with John McCusker. Fats Kaplin was intended to play pedal steel which made the apprearance of On Every Street possible, something that Guy hinted would have been on the possible playlist if I remember correctly. Or was it The Man's Too Strong"... or both?
LE
OES for 2003
MTS was rehearsed on a later tour. I would say 2005 because now Guy absolutly refuse to spill the bean on that matter anymore.
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It certainly would have been one of the more interesting tours with that line-up. The songs that they rehearsed indeed included OES and coupled with the way Mark played at the 2002 charity concerts I have always regarded the cancellation as such a tragedy.
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Tour line-up would have been:
Mark Knopfler (guitar, vocals)
Guy Fletcher (keyboards, guitar, vocals)
Richard Bennett (guitar)
Jim Cox (piano, organ, accordion)
Danny Cummings (drums)
Marcus Cliffe (bass)
Fats Kaplin (guitar, fiddle, pedal steel)
From oneverybootleg.nl
You can also see al planned tourdates ;)
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Sorry for the "newbie" questions... but why was the TRD tour cancelled? Were tickets ever sold? What happened?
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Tickets were sold (I bought some tickets for Amsterdam) but MK got hurt in a motorcycle accident:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2859527.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/men_shealth/3309660/She-could-have-asked-how-I-was.html
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:smack Thanks, TheTimeWasWrong!! I didn't put 2+2 together... :)
And thanks for posting the articles. the second article, from The Telegraph, is a nice read! :wave
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Hi Amiters,
thanks for your attention, to complete the discussion someone knows how to rewrite the list of Guy who had published with their details?
gIANCARLO
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Strange line-up : no Glenn Worf and Jim Cox who was supposed, at this time, to have inner ear troubles with air travel !
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The article from Telegraph is great, I have never read it before! Thanks for sharing :)
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Strange line-up : no Glenn Worf and Jim Cox who was supposed, at this time, to have inner ear troubles with air travel !
Jim had crossed the Atlantic by boat if I remember well and at that time his ear problem were supposed to be solved
TOURING BAND LINE-UP: The line-up for the forth-coming TRD tour will be:
Mark Knopfler: guitars/vocals
Guy Fletcher: keyboards, musical director
Danny Cummings: drums
Marcus Cliffe: bass
Jim Cox: keyboards
Richard Bennett: guitars
Fats Kaplin: guitar, fiddle, violin, pedal ste
Source : mark-Kopfler-News.co.uk, retrived from archive.org : News (http://web.archive.org/web/20021205215936/http://www.mark-knopfler-news.co.uk/frameset.html)
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Maybe Jim was to travel with the staff instead of the plane...
Its strange because Jim was in the band for the 03 tour but for the next ones (05, 06, 08 & 10) Matt Rollings took Jim's spot because his ear condition.
Was Jim better in 03 but later the illness came back, or maybe the idea was having Jim travelling out of the plane?
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Imagine in a set list with Devil baby (style amsterdam Edison 03) Quality shoe (one of my favourite MK's liryc) Why aye man and above all OLD PIGWEED :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap
gIANCARLO
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Jim had crossed the Atlantic by boat if I remember well and at that time his ear problem were supposed to be solved
As far as I remember he took a freighter for the journey across the pond.
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Jim had crossed the Atlantic by boat if I remember well and at that time his ear problem were supposed to be solved
As far as I remember he took a freighter for the journey across the pond.
Jimbo the stowaway! :lol
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The rehearsal list for the RPD-Tour was:
baloney again - Clyde auditorium Glasgow 2001
brothers in arms - Bilbao 2001
calling Elvis - Madrid 2001
done with Bonaparte - Newcastle city hall 2001
Romeo and Juliet - Madrid 2001
so far away - Bilbao 2001
speedway at Nazareth - Bilbao 2001
sultans of swing - Madrid 2001
Telegraph road - Bilbao 2001
Rudiger - Closten hall Bristol 1996
walk of life - Bilbao 2001
what it is - Clyde auditorium Glasgow 2001
sailing to Philadelphia - Massey hall Toronto 2001
why aye man - Shepherds Bush Empire 2002
quality shoe - Shepherds Bush Empire 2002
on every street - Paris - Bercy 1991
on every street - on every street album
a night in summer long ago - golden heart album
coyote - RPD album
hillfarmer
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Jim had crossed the Atlantic by boat if I remember well and at that time his ear problem were supposed to be solved
As far as I remember he took a freighter for the journey across the pond.
Jimbo the stowaway! :lol
Would be a nice title to a song ;D
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The rehearsal list for the RPD-Tour was:
*list*
Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20031206044551/http://guyfletcher.co.uk/main.htm
Nice find! I knew Guy had published the list but I couldn't find it. No big surprises though. Basically the STP tour + RPD album + On every street + A night in summer long ago (that one was not played during the STP tour, right?). We got everything with the KTGC tour except for Old Pigweed which was performed at a Norwegian promo once.
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OES has never been performed live since that tour right??
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OES has never been performed live since that tour right??
Certainly not to my knowledge. As far as I know, Mark prefers to play On Every Street when there is a pedal steel player in the band. That said, Richard Bennett can play pedal steel! Though it may be that his skills on the instrument don't quite stretch to the kind of soloing that Paul Franklin played on that song during the OES tour.
With regards to Jim Cox, I seem to remember that the Ragpicker's Dream tour was going to be a more cut-down tour in terms of length. For instance, I think the only planned UK dates were MK's usual run of shows at the Albert Hall. Perhaps this was why Jim was part of the line-up for this tour, as visiting fewer locations may have made it logistically easier to ferry him from gig to gig.
I've always found it interesting that the line-up was going to be a little different. Who knows? Perhaps, had the tour gone ahead, the band would be different now. We can but speculate. But whatever the case, the tours since then have just gone from strength to strength. I wouldn't change it for the world!
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Aahhhhh, old pigweed, my ultimate, favorite RPD song...
Which Norwegian promo was it played at?
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Aahhhhh, old pigweed, my ultimate, favorite RPD song...
Which Norwegian promo was it played at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTPqpTw-8xI
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OES has never been performed live since that tour right??
With regards to Jim Cox, I seem to remember that the Ragpicker's Dream tour was going to be a more cut-down tour in terms of length. For instance, I think the only planned UK dates were MK's usual run of shows at the Albert Hall. Perhaps this was why Jim was part of the line-up for this tour, as visiting fewer locations may have made it logistically easier to ferry him from gig to gig.
Not true I'm afraid. I had a ticket for Edinburgh or Glasgow. Think it was Glasgow's Clyde Auditorium but I'm not sure.
Edit: Edinburgh Playhouse. Best venue for MK in central Scotland IMO. Supposedly haunted!
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It was a Europe/US tour
From Oneverybootleg.com
22.04.2003 Pavillio Atlantico Lisbon Portugal
23.04.2003 Palacio Vistalegre Madrid Spain
24.04.2003 Pavillion Principe Felipe Zaragoza Spain
25.04.2003 Pavello Olimpic De Badalona Barcelona Spain
26.04.2003 Le Zenith Toulouse France
27.04.2003 Dome Marseilles France
28.04.2003 Nikaia Nice France
30.04.2003 Palais Omnisports de Bercy Paris France
May 2003
01.05.2003 Festhalle Frankfurt Germany
02.05.2003 Preussag Arena Hannover Germany
03.05.2003 Heineken Music Hall Amsterdam The Netherlands
04.05.2003 Heineken Music Hall Amsterdam The Netherlands
05.05.2003 Heineken Music Hall Amsterdam The Netherlands
06.05.2003 Arena Cologne Germany
07.05.2003 Messehalle Erfurt Germany
11.05.2003 Schleyerhalle Stuttgart Germany
12.05.2003 T-Mobile Arena Prague Czech Republic
13.05.2003 Stadthalle Vienna Austria
14.05.2003 Hungarena Budapest Hungary
15.05.2003 Spodek Katowice Poland
17.05.2003 Waldb
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If I remember correctly 2nd guitarist in the TRD-tour line-up was not Richard Bennett but Robbie McIntosh. Am I wrong?
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If I remember correctly 2nd guitarist in the TRD-tour line-up was not Richard Bennett but Robbie McIntosh. Am I wrong?
Ever faithful RB was going to be there.
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Aahhhhh, old pigweed, my ultimate, favorite RPD song...
Which Norwegian promo was it played at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTPqpTw-8xI
wow, was he in a bad mood or something? Bad singing. Boring guitar...such a missed opportunity. Also, finally, when it gets interesting at the end, there's the voiceover
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Norwegian promo.
Diagnosis: acute pigweed poisoning.
Symptoms: gloomy, vacant stare, listlessness, cognitive impairment around what a guitar is for, and inability to relate to others as they watch in pain at such a disappointment.
Cure: a Privateering Tour that generates a mouthwatering Cookbook by Dr Fletch.
Patient now recovering well.
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I was wondering about this Fats Kaplin guy. Mark never bothered to work with him before or since and how did they get together? On his site it says "In 1992 Fats moved to Nashville at the urging of Kevin Welch. He joined Kevin's band The Overtones which also included Mike Henderson, Glenn Worf..." So that answers that question!
He's also a multi-instrumentalist and plays fiddle, accordion and mandolin too!
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I read that Fats plays pedal steel too
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I read that Fats plays pedal steel too
He could easily replace JM. He does everything he does plus pedal steel. The only thing John plays is the whistle and Mike plays that so...
It could be interesting if Mark decided to bring him in. I see he gives Mark a mention on his web site. We just need to see past the funny name to the musician underneath!
I hope that if mark decides to locate him he remembers to look for him under his new name, because since his crash diet he is now known as Slim Kaplin! ;D
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My feeling is that John McCusker has very much influence in MK's band and since his first appearance in 2008, is absolutely set as a band member. I cannot see MK replace him.
LE
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John McCusker fits in perfectly with MK's band and I can't see Mark replacing him purely for the reason that Fats Kaplin can also play pedal steel! It just wouldn't be the same without John! ;)
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John McCusker fits in perfectly with MK's band and I can't see Mark replacing him purely for the reason that Fats Kaplin can also play pedal steel! It just wouldn't be the same without John! ;)
I was only toying around with the idea! :)
Funny that the plan of going solo was to scale down the "big band" thing that DS had going on the OES tour and yet here we are, a few years down the road, finding ourselves listening to more and more members being added from the original dullards.
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John McCusker fits in perfectly with MK's band and I can't see Mark replacing him purely for the reason that Fats Kaplin can also play pedal steel! It just wouldn't be the same without John! ;)
I was only toying around with the idea! :)
Funny that the plan of going solo was to scale down the "big band" thing that DS had going on the OES tour and yet here we are, a few years down the road, finding ourselves listening to more and more members being added from the original dullards.
Which "original dullards" are you referring to, dmg? :think ;)
Just noticed, I have become a Brother in Arms! I wonder is it possible to be a Sister in Arms! ;D
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John McCusker fits in perfectly with MK's band and I can't see Mark replacing him purely for the reason that Fats Kaplin can also play pedal steel! It just wouldn't be the same without John! ;)
I was only toying around with the idea! :)
Funny that the plan of going solo was to scale down the "big band" thing that DS had going on the OES tour and yet here we are, a few years down the road, finding ourselves listening to more and more members being added from the original dullards.
Which "original dullards" are you referring to, dmg? :think ;)
Just noticed, I have become a Brother in Arms! I wonder is it possible to be a Sister in Arms! ;D
I think that would be cool.
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I read that Fats plays pedal steel too
He could easily replace JM. He does everything he does plus pedal steel. The only thing John plays is the whistle and Mike plays that so...
It could be interesting if Mark decided to bring him in. I see he gives Mark a mention on his web site. We just need to see past the funny name to the musician underneath!
I hope that if mark decides to locate him he remembers to look for him under his new name, because since his crash diet he is now known as Slim Kaplin! ;D
Nice try to get rid of Marbletown , dmg.
No more John, no more Marb.
However everyone is this band is a master, best in world, genius, wears sexy shirt, ... my feeling is John is the most important guy in the band.
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I read that Fats plays pedal steel too
He could easily replace JM. He does everything he does plus pedal steel. The only thing John plays is the whistle and Mike plays that so...
It could be interesting if Mark decided to bring him in. I see he gives Mark a mention on his web site. We just need to see past the funny name to the musician underneath!
I hope that if mark decides to locate him he remembers to look for him under his new name, because since his crash diet he is now known as Slim Kaplin! ;D
Nice try to get rid of Marbletown , dmg.
No more John, no more Marb.
However everyone is this band is a master, best in world, genius, wears spamy shirt, ... my feeling is John is the most important guy in the band.
Hehehe... I think you nailed it, Tunnel!
MK loves Marbletown, hence John is 'family'. ...But still good. Yeah, still good. ;)
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The rehearsal list for the RPD-Tour was:
on every street - Paris - Bercy 1991
Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20031206044551/http://guyfletcher.co.uk/main.htm
Oh I didn't paid attention to this at the time of publication on Guy's forum but Paris Bercy 1991 was also recorded. I kwnew that the 92 gigs were but not these.
I want an access to the DS archives!!!
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I read that Fats plays pedal steel too
He could easily replace JM. He does everything he does plus pedal steel. The only thing John plays is the whistle and Mike plays that so...
It could be interesting if Mark decided to bring him in. I see he gives Mark a mention on his web site. We just need to see past the funny name to the musician underneath!
I hope that if mark decides to locate him he remembers to look for him under his new name, because since his crash diet he is now known as Slim Kaplin! ;D
Nice try to get rid of Marbletown , dmg.
No more John, no more Marb.
However everyone is this band is a master, best in world, genius, wears spamy shirt, ... my feeling is John is the most important guy in the band.
Damn! I would've got away with it too if it weren't for you pesky, meddling kids! ;D
To Val: "The Dullards" was the nickname that Ed gave to the '96ers.
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I read that Fats plays pedal steel too
He could easily replace JM. He does everything he does plus pedal steel. The only thing John plays is the whistle and Mike plays that so...
It could be interesting if Mark decided to bring him in. I see he gives Mark a mention on his web site. We just need to see past the funny name to the musician underneath!
I hope that if mark decides to locate him he remembers to look for him under his new name, because since his crash diet he is now known as Slim Kaplin! ;D
Nice try to get rid of Marbletown , dmg.
No more John, no more Marb.
However everyone is this band is a master, best in world, genius, wears spamy shirt, ... my feeling is John is the most important guy in the band.
To Val: "The Dullards" was the nickname that Ed gave to the '96ers.
Thanks, dmg! You learn something new every day, so they say! ;)
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I agree with dmg :
the paradox is that during DS days which was officially a "band" it didn't bother anyone that members were changing almost on each tour, and now that Mark is playing under his name as a "solo" artist, fans want to keep the same musicians we have since almost 20 years...
the reverse would have been more logical....
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I agree with dmg :
the paradox is that during DS days which was officially a "band" it didn't bother anyone that members were changing almost on each tour, and now that Mark is playing under his name as a "solo" artist, fans want to keep the same musicians we have since almost 20 years...
the reverse would have been more logical....
Yes. When people say to me: would you like a DS reunion? I say: in what incarnation? Then I explain about the history of the band, then they walk away before I give the final answer! ;) Well not quite, but it's always something confusing to ponder over because the original quartet only lasted two albums and after that it changed every couple of years and even by 1982 there were only two original members on the road!
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A Dire Straits reunion will have Mk, John Illsley, Guy Fletcher and I guess that Mk will pick up Ian as drummer, Richard as guitar and possibly Jim Cox as second keyboard and Nigel Hitchcock as sax.
Ian, Richard and Jim will add the musical security he needs, as long as the second guitar was a hired musician since David left, and Alan and Chris are on the black list since The Straits affaire.
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I read that Fats plays pedal steel too
He could easily replace JM. He does everything he does plus pedal steel. The only thing John plays is the whistle and Mike plays that so...
It could be interesting if Mark decided to bring him in. I see he gives Mark a mention on his web site. We just need to see past the funny name to the musician underneath!
I hope that if mark decides to locate him he remembers to look for him under his new name, because since his crash diet he is now known as Slim Kaplin! ;D
Nice try to get rid of Marbletown , dmg.
No more John, no more Marb.
However everyone is this band is a master, best in world, genius, wears spamy shirt, ... my feeling is John is the most important guy in the band.
On the 2010 MK introduced everyone as a musical genius, best etc except Danny and Guy. Make of that what you will.
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I read that Fats plays pedal steel too
He could easily replace JM. He does everything he does plus pedal steel. The only thing John plays is the whistle and Mike plays that so...
It could be interesting if Mark decided to bring him in. I see he gives Mark a mention on his web site. We just need to see past the funny name to the musician underneath!
I hope that if mark decides to locate him he remembers to look for him under his new name, because since his crash diet he is now known as Slim Kaplin! ;D
Nice try to get rid of Marbletown , dmg.
No more John, no more Marb.
However everyone is this band is a master, best in world, genius, wears spamy shirt, ... my feeling is John is the most important guy in the band.
On the 2010 MK introduced everyone as a musical genius, best etc except Danny and Guy. Make of that what you will.
Only Danny and Guy were in the DS line-up, that's all! ;)
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A Dire Straits reunion will have Mk, John Illsley, Guy Fletcher and I guess that Mk will pick up Ian as drummer, Richard as guitar and possibly Jim Cox as second keyboard and Nigel Hitchcock as sax.
Ian, Richard and Jim will add the musical security he needs, as long as the second guitar was a hired musician since David left, and Alan and Chris are on the black list since The Straits affaire.
in 2002, Mark chose to play with John Illsley, Chris White and Danny Cummings, but he called it "MK & friends" not a "DS reunion" (was it only because Alan was not there ? :think)
so if Mark will play again with John Illsley, I don't see why he would call it a "DS reunion" now...
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Mark and John are a DS reunion per se. The only remaining members from the original band, since David and Pick departure, the rest were hired musicians, even Alan and Guy, "recognized" as DS members at the OES booklet, just for legal issues.
MK choosed "and friends" in 2002 because he mixed the NHB and DS in just one concert and that "and friends" was the shortest way to announce the concerts and at the same time the best way to avoid the madness that would had been announce it as Dire Straits.
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Mark and John are a DS reunion per se.
I always thought exactly the same. To me, DS is Mark and John, and only Mark and John.
Therefore, the 2002 gigs were a DS reunion (at least a part of the gigs), but not called this way for the reasons you said.
So again, I can't see why a Mark/John reunion in the future would be called a DS reunion.
And it's the paradox I was talking about :
during DS days, fans were going to concerts to see mainly Mark and John, no matter who was the 2nd guitarist or the drummer
during solo days, fans are going to see Mark, with John McCusker, Richard, Glenn, etc...and would be disapointed if there would be members changes...
strange feeling isn't it ? :think
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DS reunion! Where, where? For me the DS reunion includes Pick as well. He played in all but 2 studio albums and the other two had guest drummers anyway (Omar and Jeff never played live with DS)
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You are right vgonis, but someone could argue that there has been DS incarnations (even if it was with "hired" musicians) without Pick, but none without John, that's making him the only member who can "claim" to "incarnate" DS with mark.
Of course we are discussing about line-up here, not about musical influence.
It's obvious that Pick or Alan had much more influence on DS music than John, but in term of longevity in the band...John wins ;D
I can't find the word, but I'd say that in "administrative" terms, DS is John and Mark ;D
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Historicaly, a DS reunion, if there is any, will have for sure MK and JI as the two remaining members, and the rest of musicians will be choosen by MK, as always was, after David and Pick departure.
And in that choosing, I bet that Guy will be there, for sure.
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A DS reunion without Alan would not be a real DS reunion, as Alan was the first key player and remained until the end of the band, unless Mark would go back to the original quartet - that is unlikely to happen.
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http://www.local-hero.org/markontour/tour/20031
http://prairiewedding.free.fr/the_canceled_tour.htm
OK, since we can only dream about it, why not bring all the musicians that played either on a tour or at an alnum?
I like Alan's work so he is welcome! ;-) Of course he didn't play in the first 3 albums, but the rendition of songs in the later lives were staunning!