A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: hunter on August 13, 2023, 09:33:47 AM
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I came across a Norwegian site which is dedicated to the venue Drammenshallen in Drammen, Norway, and the many concerts that have taken place there, including DS in 1981 and 1985. The site is: https://www.meteorittmannen.no/elementer-28/1985-10-22-23-dire-straits (https://www.meteorittmannen.no/elementer-28/1985-10-22-23-dire-straits) . It contains a number of scanned news clippings, amongst others this one which caught my attention:
Edit: I decided to edit the woman's last name in the translated text so it won't come up in the search engines.
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I scanned the text and ran it through Google Translate:
Mark Knopfler fell for Siw from Solbergelva
DRAMMEN: First a hearty dinner, then a free concert in Drammenshallen and finally a nachspiel with Mark Knopfler. The meeting with the Dire Straits members at Bragernes Torg on Wednesday morning turned into an unforgettable stay with one of the world's most famous artists. When Mark Knopfler left Fornebu yesterday, Siw B. (21) from Solbergelva had to promise to meet him again in London for the big Christmas concert.
If Siw had wanted to, she could have accompanied Mark Knopfler to Stockholm yesterday, but her job at the reception at Müllerhotell in Drammen prevented her from doing so. To be on the safe side, Mark Knopfler gave her a worldwide free pass to all his concerts, as well as the phone number at home in London
- I got a very positive impression of the band, says Siw B. to DT-BB
— Mark Knopfler was particularly nice, and we chatted and had fun during dinner in the luxurious Dire Stralts bus before the concert on Wednesday. Afterwards, I joined -The Royal Family-, as the closest friends of Dire Straits are called, to the concert in Drammenshallen and ended the evening with the band. I was pleasantly surprised by how the fellows behaved. No alcohol was touched before the concert, and the conversation that took place was very pleasant. Mark could also say that he was very uneasy before the first concert on Tuesday, and would have preferred to cancel the show and sleep in after the long and tiring flight, she says. Only a small number of the audience discovered during Wednesday's concert that Mark Knopfler dedicated one of the songs, which he does not usually include in his concert repertoire, to his Norwegian girlfriend. Siw B. had no doubt who he meant — At least I'm not going to quit my job, laughs Siw after all the commotion her friends have started to "congratulate" her with Mark. If Siw does not take the initiative to call Mark Knopfler, then he has obtained her address and telephone number in Solbergelva. When we ask her if Mark Knopfler can treat her to a trip to London, she smiles evasively.
Mark Knopfler fell for Siw B. from Solbergelva when he met her outside Buskerudbanken on Bragernes Torg on Wednesday morning. When Mark left Fornebu yesterday, Siw had to promise to meet him again in London.
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This is interesting! Was he not married to Lourdes Salomone by 1985? :o
Also, what song could he have dedicated to her? Follow Me Home?
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This is interesting! Was he not married to Lourdes Salomone by 1985? :o
Also, what song could he have dedicated to her? Follow Me Home?
Ha-ha! Nice one! Does anyone know the setlist from the show?
Mark and Lourdes got married in 83?
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What the hell kind of newspaper is this?!
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What the hell kind of newspaper is this?!
The website I linked to mentions Drammens Tidende-Buskered Blad, which according to Wiki is a local newspaper in the town of Drammen. It would be fun to track the woman down and ask her to verify the story.
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A quick search shows she is on Facebook…
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I don't use Facebook. Isn't there someone from a Norwegian fan club on here? Maybe they would be interested in contacting her.
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First two shows after the N American leg were at the Drammenhalle, just outside Oslo. Nothing on Setlist FM unfortunately.
Good chat up line: how'd you like tickets to all my shows?
I think perhaps something has been lost in translation.
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:lol I had to laugh out loud reading the headline! I am Norwegian and the translation is acutally surprisingly good. I have a vague memory of reading this before (not at the time, a bit too young), but since I haven't heard anything about it through the years I have been a fan, it has just passed as an exaggeration from the newspaper I guess.I volunteer to contact her tomorrow, if not any of you others have tried? It is a bit..invading to ask, but at the same time, it is allowed to ask.
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:lol I had to laugh out loud reading the headline! I am Norwegian and the translation is acutally surprisingly good. I have a vague memory of reading this before (not at the time, a bit too young), but since I haven't heard anything about it through the years I have been a fan, it has just passed as an exaggeration from the newspaper I guess.I volunteer to contact her tomorrow, if not any of you others have tried? It is a bit..invading to ask, but at the same time, it is allowed to ask.
That would be awesome.
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:lol I had to laugh out loud reading the headline! I am Norwegian and the translation is acutally surprisingly good. I have a vague memory of reading this before (not at the time, a bit too young), but since I haven't heard anything about it through the years I have been a fan, it has just passed as an exaggeration from the newspaper I guess.I volunteer to contact her tomorrow, if not any of you others have tried? It is a bit..invading to ask, but at the same time, it is allowed to ask.
Thanks for doing that, if she doesn't want to talk she can just ignore you.
I always assumed the British tabloids were the worst but this seems like a terrible thing for this newspaper to have done!
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If the woman doesn't wish to talk, maybe the journalist will? His contact details are available online.
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If the woman doesn't wish to talk, maybe the journalist will? His contact details are available online.
I'd be surprised if the journalist remembered it to be honest.
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If the woman doesn't wish to talk, maybe the journalist will? His contact details are available online.
I'd be surprised if the journalist remembered it to be honest.
Ha-ha! Good point ;D
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I sent a Messenger -text today about 9, but so far no answer. Lets hope she doesn't use as long to reply as Mark does with the album :(
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Lol
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lol, now this is an interesting one. gonna subscribe to this thread...
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To me, "Follow me home" is about his first mariage, the Oldfield book says it's from "Mark's past"
Songs that could be "dedicated" to Lourdes :
"quiet" ones : so far away, why worry, your latest trick
"angry" ones : your own sweet way, when it comes to you, fade to black, you and your friend...
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any news on the contact effort?
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No, no answer. She posted on facebook a couple of weeks ago, so she is using the account. It is not possible to post on her wall. I can send her another Messsenger, saying something like "sorry if you are not the right person" (already said that in the first one of course), but after that I'm not sure. Too invasive to track down the number? That is kind of a strange thing by the way, I remember that was the way you contacted people; finding their number. Now, that seems too much!
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Songs that could be "dedicated" to Lourdes :
"quiet" ones : so far away, why worry, your latest trick
"angry" ones : your own sweet way, when it comes to you, fade to black, you and your friend...
Do you think he wrote those angry Songs 3-4 years before their break up?
:think
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No, no answer. She posted on facebook a couple of weeks ago, so she is using the account. It is not possible to post on her wall. I can send her another Messsenger, saying something like "sorry if you are not the right person" (already said that in the first one of course), but after that I'm not sure. Too invasive to track down the number? That is kind of a strange thing by the way, I remember that was the way you contacted people; finding their number. Now, that seems too much!
I think any more than one message is invasive to be honest. If she wants to respond, she'll respond.
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No, no answer. She posted on facebook a couple of weeks ago, so she is using the account. It is not possible to post on her wall. I can send her another Messsenger, saying something like "sorry if you are not the right person" (already said that in the first one of course), but after that I'm not sure. Too invasive to track down the number? That is kind of a strange thing by the way, I remember that was the way you contacted people; finding their number. Now, that seems too much!
I think any more than one message is invasive to be honest. If she wants to respond, she'll respond.
There's of course the option that she doesn't get notified when she gets messages from strangers. I seem to remember Facebook has settings for that.
But yeah – pursuing this any further may seem a little intense ;D
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Songs that could be "dedicated" to Lourdes :
"quiet" ones : so far away, why worry, your latest trick
"angry" ones : your own sweet way, when it comes to you, fade to black, you and your friend...
Do you think he wrote those angry Songs 3-4 years before their break up?
:think
I don't know any details, but the official and public break-up is one thing, the "private one" is another thing...
They divorced in 1993, but I wouldn't find strange that things went already bad in 90-91 during the recordings of NHB and OES
pure speculation of course, but I can't see Mark writing songs about Holly Vincent in 90, so to me these songs are about Lourdes
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You and Your Friend appears to be from the point of view of someone who wants to have an, um, menage a trois.
Not saying it's not autobiographical but seems the most likely of those mentioned to be fictional.
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pure speculation of course, but I can't see Mark writing songs about Holly Vincent in 90, so to me these songs are about Lourdes
Or no one in particular. Or someone he read about.
Most of the OES album has a pretty dark vibe to it, not surprisingly influenced by Mark's personal situation at the time, but it doesn't mean any of the songs are specifically about Lourdes.
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pure speculation of course, but I can't see Mark writing songs about Holly Vincent in 90, so to me these songs are about Lourdes
Or no one in particular. Or someone he read about.
Most of the OES album has a pretty dark vibe to it, not surprisingly influenced by Mark's personal situation at the time, but it doesn't mean any of the songs are specifically about Lourdes.
Yes I see what you means. Not specifically about the personn herself, but it's about Mark's mood at the time, which was of course influenced by his relationship with her...
So I'd say you have to read "between lines" as we say in french. When your relationship with your wife is not going well, and you write songs with a dark mood about a relationship that is not going well... you can say the song is not about the person, but ... hem... ::) ;D
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When it comes to you in my opinion talks about a relationshipo going bad...
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When it comes to you is for Lourdes pretty clear...
The song is about a person in a miserable relationship, which of course fits Mark's situation. On the other hand, the narrator is blaming the other person and shows no sign of guilt that he/she also may have contributed to the breakdown of the relationship, etc. Plus, because of the children they have together, I don't think Mark would have written, recorded and performed this type of song specifically about Lourdes. That would be cruel (to them).
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When it comes to you is for Lourdes pretty clear...
I don't think so because in 1987 the twins were born and the song maybe written at last 1989/1990
So those lyrics 2 years after the twins were born?
Maybe not.
If the Song was on Golden Heart I could think of... hmmmm maybe yes
The OES Tour may be the reason
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When it comes to you is for Lourdes pretty clear...
I don't think so because in 1987 the twins were born and the song maybe written at last 1989/1990
So those lyrics 2 years after the twins were born?
Maybe not.
If the Song was on Golden Heart I could think of... hmmmm maybe yes
The OES Tour may be the reason
He premiered the song with the NHB in 90. When releasing OES he was already divorcing Lourdes.
I guess a divorce comes after years of bad experiences in a marriage, so makes sense to me.
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When it comes to you is for Lourdes pretty clear...
I don't think so because in 1987 the twins were born and the song maybe written at last 1989/1990
So those lyrics 2 years after the twins were born?
Maybe not.
If the Song was on Golden Heart I could think of... hmmmm maybe yes
The OES Tour may be the reason
He premiered the song with the NHB in 90. When releasing OES he was already divorcing Lourdes.
I guess a divorce comes after years of bad experiences in a marriage, so makes sense to me.
This will be one of his secrets I bet but: We can ask Mark this after his 2024 RAH Shows in London while signing our Tourbooks ;D
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I just don't think Mark would do that kind of thing; write, record and perform a song which specifically targets the mother of his children.
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When it comes to you is for Lourdes pretty clear...
I don't think so because in 1987 the twins were born and the song maybe written at last 1989/1990
So those lyrics 2 years after the twins were born?
Maybe not.
If the Song was on Golden Heart I could think of... hmmmm maybe yes
The OES Tour may be the reason
He premiered the song with the NHB in 90. When releasing OES he was already divorcing Lourdes.
I guess a divorce comes after years of bad experiences in a marriage, so makes sense to me.
Do I remember correctly? Cigarette on the neck of the guitar 😊
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Do I remember correctly? Cigarette on the neck of the guitar 😊
Seems so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZfnJjWQXig
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Yes :thumbsup
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Remember, MK didn't actually deliver microwave ovens or fight in a war. It's entirely possible When It Comes To You is complete fiction, regardless of when it was written or released.
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Imagine that :think
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Here's a thought: Mark being the reporter and all, what if When It Comes To You actually recounts Lourdes' words to Mark?
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Remember, MK didn't actually deliver microwave ovens or fight in a war. It's entirely possible When It Comes To You is complete fiction, regardless of when it was written or released.
Doesn't sounds like a character song as he uses to say
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Remember, MK didn't actually deliver microwave ovens or fight in a war. It's entirely possible When It Comes To You is complete fiction, regardless of when it was written or released.
Doesn't sounds like a character song as he uses to say
To you. How do you distinguish? Is How Long a character?
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Remember, MK didn't actually deliver microwave ovens or fight in a war. It's entirely possible When It Comes To You is complete fiction, regardless of when it was written or released.
Doesn't sounds like a character song as he uses to say
To you. How do you distinguish? Is How Long a character?
It's a feeling.