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Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: dustyvalentino on May 13, 2022, 03:04:58 pm

Title: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 13, 2022, 03:04:58 pm
Ever hear a song and it sounds like the guitarist is copying MK?

Now to be fair, you take a strat in a 2 or 4 setting and you play melodically you start sounding like MK, but sometimes it sounds pretty obvious.

Check out the solo on this tune from about 2 mins in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ1h2k49Gzs

Any other examples?
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: hunter on May 13, 2022, 05:32:11 pm
Ever hear a song and it sounds like the guitarist is copying MK?

Now to be fair, you take a strat in a 2 or 4 setting and you play melodically you start sounding like MK, but sometimes it sounds pretty obvious.

Check out the solo on this tune from about 2 mins in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ1h2k49Gzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ1h2k49Gzs)

Any other examples?


That's Albert Lee for you. He plays some incredible guitar on that album. Here's one from his solo album Speechless:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgJKdZPLP3c

Incredibly melodic player. I think it's the country influence in Mark's and Albert's playing that make them sound similar. But who knows, maybe Albert's a huge MK fan?

How about this from John Illsley's album Glass with Jerry Donahue on lead guitar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scRPh58tLdY
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: hunter on May 13, 2022, 06:06:12 pm
And of course anyone playing on Clapton's JJ Cale tribute album  ;D
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 13, 2022, 07:48:15 pm
Love Albert Lee and I’ve been lucky enough to meet him, but it doesn’t sound like him on that track. His sound is pretty distinctive.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: Dutchessy on May 14, 2022, 02:54:06 pm
Albert Lee an MK fan? Don't think so  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX9pRBtTQoE
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: quizzaciously on May 14, 2022, 03:19:19 pm
I often think about how MK got lucky by getting famous for this kind of sound and that at the time probably only J. J. Cale was known for this type of sound and MK often got blamed for copying it. Simply because it's really nothing but a Strat and 2 or 4 settings depending on how you look at it. MK has probably the cheapest ticket to enter in terms of the sound experience, though he's got one of the most expensive tickets for actually playing all this stuff. Heck, I even manage to get a decent MK tone from my $99 Strat, so less than that would be only playing air guitar.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 14, 2022, 03:23:19 pm
Richard Thompson kind of did the sound first as well.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: MagicElliott on May 14, 2022, 03:39:21 pm
Love Albert Lee and I’ve been lucky enough to meet him, but it doesn’t sound like him on that track. His sound is pretty distinctive.

I live quite near The Stables, a small theatre where John Illsley  filmed one of his live dvds (I think…!

Albert Lee is often there but generally he’s playing piano. Shame-I’m sure he’s a very good piano player but if I go and see him, I want to see those guitar chops
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: hunter on May 14, 2022, 03:45:31 pm
Love Albert Lee and I’ve been lucky enough to meet him, but it doesn’t sound like him on that track. His sound is pretty distinctive.


Check the credits:


https://www.discogs.com/release/1956643-Carlene-Carter-I-Fell-In-Love
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 14, 2022, 04:06:04 pm
Well there you go, he did a great job of not sounding like himself!
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: hunter on May 14, 2022, 04:16:29 pm
Haha!
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: ds1984 on May 14, 2022, 07:15:20 pm
I think MK was influenced by Albert Lee first being in the music business for years.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 14, 2022, 07:47:43 pm
I think I remember MK saying he was a fan of Heads, Hands and Feet, the band Albert used to be in.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 16, 2022, 10:33:33 am
Mike Oldfield plays a Knopfler influenced solo for Moonlight Shadow, in terms of melodic approach and sound, even to the extent of playing the Sultans "Twiddly" bits when playing Moonlight Shadow live in the 90's he has also namechecked Mark in an interview, and stated that although he doesn't generally listen to other people's music, he did enjoy Private Investigations.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 16, 2022, 12:50:28 pm
Mike Oldfield plays a Knopfler influenced solo for Moonlight Shadow, in terms of melodic approach and sound, even to the extent of playing the Sultans "Twiddly" bits when playing Moonlight Shadow live in the 90's he has also namechecked Mark in an interview, and stated that although he doesn't generally listen to other people's music, he did enjoy Private Investigations.

These days he plays an MK strat too.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 16, 2022, 01:47:30 pm
Yes he does :)
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: Pottel on May 16, 2022, 11:03:00 pm
Mike Oldfield plays a Knopfler influenced solo for Moonlight Shadow, in terms of melodic approach and sound, even to the extent of playing the Sultans "Twiddly" bits when playing Moonlight Shadow live in the 90's he has also namechecked Mark in an interview, and stated that although he doesn't generally listen to other people's music, he did enjoy Private Investigations.

These days he plays an MK strat too.
4 real? got a pic or something?
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 17, 2022, 08:22:53 am
There might be a photo in the booklet for his last album, Return to Ommadawn, which is the album he used it on, but I don't have it to had right now to look in. I haven't found a photo online.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: 461oceanblvd on May 19, 2022, 05:53:54 pm
I don't think of John Mayer as being an MK acolyte (at all), but Wild Blue sounds like it belongs on Communique. The riff and the soloing all sound just like Mark from that period.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: quizzaciously on May 19, 2022, 06:23:44 pm
I don't think of John Mayer as being an MK acolyte (at all), but Wild Blue sounds like it belongs on Communique. The riff and the soloing all sound just like Mark from that period.

And funny enough, John said, "Wild Blue" is his favorite song from his newest album ;D
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: Vesper on May 20, 2022, 11:14:24 am
I don't think of John Mayer as being an MK acolyte (at all), but Wild Blue sounds like it belongs on Communique. The riff and the soloing all sound just like Mark from that period.

And funny enough, John said, "Wild Blue" is his favorite song from his newest album ;D

John was on a podcast with Cory Wong and they talked about Wild Blue and the Dire Straits feeling of it.
Listen to this: https://www.instagram.com/tv/Caz7KZIlpjb/?utm_medium=copy_link
I love how John says he's not trying a Mark Knopfler solo but it kinda is.
And then he plays the Calling Elvis riff...
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: quizzaciously on May 20, 2022, 12:09:33 pm
I don't think of John Mayer as being an MK acolyte (at all), but Wild Blue sounds like it belongs on Communique. The riff and the soloing all sound just like Mark from that period.

And funny enough, John said, "Wild Blue" is his favorite song from his newest album ;D

John was on a podcast with Cory Wong and they talked about Wild Blue and the Dire Straits feeling of it.
Listen to this: https://www.instagram.com/tv/Caz7KZIlpjb/?utm_medium=copy_link
I love how John says he's not trying a Mark Knopfler solo but it kinda is.
And then he plays the Calling Elvis riff...

Haha, a great finding! "He occupies that space". But that's actually ridiculous. Musicians can't "own" a sound and accusing people of stealing "Mark Knopfler's sound" is an insane idea on its own. It's like accusing someone of wearing boots... You just do it, naturally.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: hunter on May 20, 2022, 12:44:44 pm
I don't think of John Mayer as being an MK acolyte (at all), but Wild Blue sounds like it belongs on Communique. The riff and the soloing all sound just like Mark from that period.

And funny enough, John said, "Wild Blue" is his favorite song from his newest album ;D

John was on a podcast with Cory Wong and they talked about Wild Blue and the Dire Straits feeling of it.
Listen to this: https://www.instagram.com/tv/Caz7KZIlpjb/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/tv/Caz7KZIlpjb/?utm_medium=copy_link)
I love how John says he's not trying a Mark Knopfler solo but it kinda is.
And then he plays the Calling Elvis riff...

Haha, a great finding! "He occupies that space". But that's actually ridiculous. Musicians can't "own" a sound and accusing people of stealing "Mark Knopfler's sound" is an insane idea on its own. It's like accusing someone of wearing boots... You just do it, naturally.


And if you listen to the early JJ Cale albums, it becomes SO obvious where Mark got his sound from, especially on laid back tracks like Six Blade Knife.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: superval99 on May 20, 2022, 02:00:22 pm
I don't think of John Mayer as being an MK acolyte (at all), but Wild Blue sounds like it belongs on Communique. The riff and the soloing all sound just like Mark from that period.

And funny enough, John said, "Wild Blue" is his favorite song from his newest album ;D

John was on a podcast with Cory Wong and they talked about Wild Blue and the Dire Straits feeling of it.
Listen to this: https://www.instagram.com/tv/Caz7KZIlpjb/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/tv/Caz7KZIlpjb/?utm_medium=copy_link)
I love how John says he's not trying a Mark Knopfler solo but it kinda is.
And then he plays the Calling Elvis riff...

Haha, a great finding! "He occupies that space". But that's actually ridiculous. Musicians can't "own" a sound and accusing people of stealing "Mark Knopfler's sound" is an insane idea on its own. It's like accusing someone of wearing boots... You just do it, naturally.


And if you listen to the early JJ Cale albums, it becomes SO obvious where Mark got his sound from, especially on laid back tracks like Six Blade Knife.

Especially "Okie".
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: Vesper on May 20, 2022, 03:29:19 pm
I don't think of John Mayer as being an MK acolyte (at all), but Wild Blue sounds like it belongs on Communique. The riff and the soloing all sound just like Mark from that period.

And funny enough, John said, "Wild Blue" is his favorite song from his newest album ;D

John was on a podcast with Cory Wong and they talked about Wild Blue and the Dire Straits feeling of it.
Listen to this: https://www.instagram.com/tv/Caz7KZIlpjb/?utm_medium=copy_link
I love how John says he's not trying a Mark Knopfler solo but it kinda is.
And then he plays the Calling Elvis riff...

Haha, a great finding! "He occupies that space". But that's actually ridiculous. Musicians can't "own" a sound and accusing people of stealing "Mark Knopfler's sound" is an insane idea on its own. It's like accusing someone of wearing boots... You just do it, naturally.

Sure!
But since I'm a huge fan of JM as well, I'm very proud of him acklowledging Mark.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: rosco on May 22, 2022, 04:02:43 pm
When I first heard this on radio (1988) albeit from a workplace background radio, I was convinced it was something new from Dire Straits!!

Homage to MK maybe?

https://youtu.be/TaatPZSuW2Q
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 22, 2022, 08:33:56 pm
I don't think of John Mayer as being an MK acolyte (at all), but Wild Blue sounds like it belongs on Communique. The riff and the soloing all sound just like Mark from that period.

And funny enough, John said, "Wild Blue" is his favorite song from his newest album ;D

John was on a podcast with Cory Wong and they talked about Wild Blue and the Dire Straits feeling of it.
Listen to this: https://www.instagram.com/tv/Caz7KZIlpjb/?utm_medium=copy_link
I love how John says he's not trying a Mark Knopfler solo but it kinda is.
And then he plays the Calling Elvis riff...

Haha, a great finding! "He occupies that space". But that's actually ridiculous. Musicians can't "own" a sound and accusing people of stealing "Mark Knopfler's sound" is an insane idea on its own. It's like accusing someone of wearing boots... You just do it, naturally.

Sure!
But since I'm a huge fan of JM as well, I'm very proud of him acklowledging Mark.
Wow!
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 23, 2022, 10:44:03 am
Chris Rea has lots of Knopfler sounding song, Soft Top, Hard Shoulder is a great example.
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: quizzaciously on May 23, 2022, 11:18:42 am
Chris Rea has lots of Knopfler sounding song, Soft Top, Hard Shoulder is a great example.

I think Chris once said that he wanted to be MK if he had a choice or something like that, he obviously has huge admiration for him.

And here, from 3:20:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H1cZF8qVLo
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: JF on May 23, 2022, 11:39:21 am
imho the Chris Rea song with the most knopflerish sound is Windy town, but it's not Chris playing, it's Jerry Donahue

https://youtu.be/hRz6LZMXZHY
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 23, 2022, 12:35:18 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTDr4WLPoNo
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: naif on May 23, 2022, 02:58:30 pm
Great song!!
Title: Re: Songs where the guitarist appears to have been "influenced" by MK
Post by: Stiglar on May 23, 2022, 03:31:03 pm
I don't think of John Mayer as being an MK acolyte (at all), but Wild Blue sounds like it belongs on Communique. The riff and the soloing all sound just like Mark from that period.

I always thought the outro of this song (about 3:00 in) is 100% going for the "On Every Street" calling elvis style outro with the pedal steel , piano tinkles and restrained lead guitar that creeps in later. Tone is similar too!

https://youtu.be/cSdjo0W4Tvs?t=177