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Re: Rock and roll of fame
« Reply #165 on: December 13, 2017, 07:45:17 PM »
Pleased for everyone on here for whom it mattered, but personally I still couldn't give a toss.

Awards are just popularity contests.  Why do you think ABBA are there before DS?  Because they're better?
Well you can't compare the two, but if you imply they are no good, i have to respectfully disagree. Their songs are indeed  pop masterpieces.
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Re: Rock and roll of fame
« Reply #166 on: December 13, 2017, 08:04:26 PM »
When I voted, I always voted Nina Simone and Sister Rosetha as the other selections, together with Kate Bush and Depeche Mode (and DS if course).

Nina Simone and Sister Rosetha were not popular in the fans votes, I'm glad the experts choose them.
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Re: Rock and roll of fame
« Reply #167 on: December 13, 2017, 08:37:05 PM »
When I voted, I always voted Nina Simone and Sister Rosetha as the other selections, together with Kate Bush and Depeche Mode (and DS if course).

Nina Simone and Sister Rosetha were not popular in the fans votes, I'm glad the experts choose them.
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Re: Rock and roll of fame
« Reply #168 on: December 13, 2017, 08:47:52 PM »
Pleased for everyone on here for whom it mattered, but personally I still couldn't give a toss.

Awards are just popularity contests.  Why do you think ABBA are there before DS?  Because they're better?
Well you can't compare the two, but if you imply they are no good, i have to respectfully disagree. Their songs are indeed  pop masterpieces.

ABBA produced a lot of timeless masterpieces of a great musical quality combined with immense popularity. I am afraid to say that ABBA's place in music history from my point of view has to be judged much higher than DS/MK's output. It's always only "that" guitar and a polite "He is a great songwriter", but emotionally ABBA means so much more to so much many more people. I btw always loved them..

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Re: Rock and roll of fame
« Reply #171 on: December 13, 2017, 10:33:20 PM »
In 2018 we have 40 years of the first DS album. Beautiful summary :) I'm happy  :clap

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Re: Rock and roll of fame
« Reply #172 on: December 13, 2017, 10:44:42 PM »
I always voted for Nina and SR as well.

Abba are a better band than DS.

Unlikely they will perform. MK MIGHT agree if AC is uninvited.

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Re: Rock and roll of fame
« Reply #173 on: December 13, 2017, 11:22:42 PM »
Guy gets royalties as producer for OES and OTN.

Alan gets royalties just for OES as producer.

David and Pick got royalties, at least in the past, for the records in which they played as full members of the band. After their departure, there were just two full band members, mk and John.

The OES tour costed a lot of money, that was paid by DS overseas (mk, John and ed) and they assumed a financial risk. The rest ( including Alan and Guy) got paid the same despite the tour generates benefits or debts.

I guess that Alan and Guy got paid more than the rest of musicians, as they were at least three levels economically, the first were DS overseas, the second Alan and Guy ( they were the other two DS...) and the third step, the rest of musicians.

I'm sure that everything is even more complicated than this...

That is more complex. Actually there is things to take in account : the law and the contract.
So speaking of "official" member to determine  if or if not is way too restrictive.

One example : when Dire straits was contractually founded, the band revenue were divided in five parts, one for each musician and on for Ed.

That mean the money from gig were earned that way.
Let say the recording contract was done the same and everyboby got some royalties (plus the producer) - 6 person involved

Then David left. The royalties for MM were then for 6 would you think (MK + JI + PW + EB + Jimmy Iovine + Mark Knopfler as co producer)
I would say it depends because  Roy Bittan and Sid McGinnis were also playing.

And here it really depends the way they dealed, they could be on a fixed wage or on a percentage :think

I would say that every musician listed on album being part of Dire Straits band got on royalties regardless of their Dire Straits wage status.
Listed "additionnal" musicians  I would say fixed wage but when you get someone like Jeff Porcaro playing on you record it can be assumed that he was allowed royalties too if he asked for.
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Re: Rock and roll of fame
« Reply #174 on: December 13, 2017, 11:47:45 PM »
Pleased for everyone on here for whom it mattered, but personally I still couldn't give a toss.

Awards are just popularity contests.  Why do you think ABBA are there before DS?  Because they're better?
Well you can't compare the two, but if you imply they are no good, i have to respectfully disagree. Their songs are indeed  pop masterpieces.

ABBA produced a lot of timeless masterpieces of a great musical quality combined with immense popularity. I am afraid to say that ABBA's place in music history from my point of view has to be judged much higher than DS/MK's output. It's always only "that" guitar and a polite "He is a great songwriter", but emotionally ABBA means so much more to so much many more people. I btw always loved them..

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« Reply #175 on: Today at 03:53:56 AM »
I think at least MK and JI will be there collecting the awards, just like DS plaque event.   I doubt DK will be there. Genesis attended the ceremony with extra band members while Peter Gabriel was not there.


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« Reply #176 on: Today at 03:59:13 AM »
If MK agrees to perform, JI and GF will be with him.  Even with early stuff, GF will be there, as well.  I do hope as years go by, the Knopfler brothers may have got better with each other than ever before.  They can do early stuff well together.


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Re: Rock and roll of fame
« Reply #177 on: Today at 08:04:10 AM »
I always voted for Nina and SR as well.

Abba are a better band than DS.

Unlikely they will perform. MK MIGHT agree if AC is uninvited.

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Alan is invited, as they are David, Pick and Guy.

I don't think the hall of fame are going to uninvite anyone by mk wishes.
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Re: Rock and roll of fame
« Reply #178 on: Today at 08:11:21 AM »
Anyway Dusty, I won't worry very much about Clark. He would only go if they are to perform, and that looks unlikely.

This is the part about Alan Clark in the article

Clark, who's now in the band Legacy with several other former Dire Straits members (its debut album, 3 Chord Trick, came out in November), says he's reserving his commitment to attend the ceremony until the group's plans are determined. "I'll go if there's a reason to go, if Mark decides he wants to go and put something together and go and perform there," Clark explains. "Jump back to 1992, the last gig we played in Spain, I said, 'That will be the last gig we ever play.' When people say, 'Will the band ever get back together, I always say no. But will we get together for this? I don't know. I'd be totally into the idea of it happening."
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