2019 Tour Official Soundboard Recordings

[jf9081]

received mine yesterday evening 48khz

[goon525]

This is probably not illegal - though it is immoral. The FLAC standard does not include a particular resolution, but it's shameful to only offer 32kHz sampling (which limits upper frequency to 16kHz) when it would have been perfectly possible to offer 96kHz 24 bit, or at the very least 44.1kHz, 16 bit, which is CD standard.

[jf9081]

I compared only Nobody does that ... barcelona sounds better to me of valencia

[hunter]

Listening to the Valencia recording now. I guess it's OK soundwise, but it is pretty lifeless as the vocals are completely dry (no reverb) and there is very little ambient sound. It works as a rough mix and as keepsake from the concert, but how nice it would be with a proper, official live recording. It's also a bit hard to listen to Mark's playing because you get it exactly as it is, warts and all. At the concert, things blend a lot, so the rough spots are not so noticeable. There are also tuning issues going on. Sometimes the flutes are not in tune, other times the guitars sound out of tune. Not a lot, but it is still bothering.

[herlock]

This is probably not illegal - though it is immoral. The FLAC standard does not include a particular resolution, but it's shameful to only offer 32kHz sampling (which limits upper frequency to 16kHz) when it would have been perfectly possible to offer 96kHz 24 bit, or at the very least 44.1kHz, 16 bit, which is CD standard.

I totally agree with your first part. offering flac with 32khz, cutting the frequencies to 16khz as Shannon says, is utterly stupid. If you go for flac you don't care about space, otherwise you would go for mp3 !
So yes, it should be 44.1 or 48.

Where I disagree is 96khz - useless waste of space, but we have had this old debate before

[goon525]

Herlock, I agree there’s not much point reopening the debate (though I notice I’m not the only one occasionally nagging Guy for a hi res issue of DTRW). But where do you live? I’d love to play you different resolutions through my pretty high end system. I believe you will hear a difference! (I’m in Guildford, UK)

[hunter]

Listening to the Valencia recording now. I guess it's OK soundwise, but it is pretty lifeless as the vocals are completely dry (no reverb) and there is very little ambient sound. It works as a rough mix and as keepsake from the concert, but how nice it would be with a proper, official live recording. It's also a bit hard to listen to Mark's playing because you get it exactly as it is, warts and all. At the concert, things blend a lot, so the rough spots are not so noticeable. There are also tuning issues going on. Sometimes the flutes are not in tune, other times the guitars sound out of tune. Not a lot, but it is still bothering.

Listening to Telegraph now. Richard's solo at the intro is totally out of tune! This is outrageous for a production at this level.

[PensaGhost]

Listening to the Valencia recording now. I guess it's OK soundwise, but it is pretty lifeless as the vocals are completely dry (no reverb) and there is very little ambient sound. It works as a rough mix and as keepsake from the concert, but how nice it would be with a proper, official live recording. It's also a bit hard to listen to Mark's playing because you get it exactly as it is, warts and all. At the concert, things blend a lot, so the rough spots are not so noticeable. There are also tuning issues going on. Sometimes the flutes are not in tune, other times the guitars sound out of tune. Not a lot, but it is still bothering.

Listening to Telegraph now. Richard's solo at the intro is totally out of tune! This is outrageous for a production at this level.

you mean at 2:55 ? it's just a playing error

[herlock]

Herlock, I agree there’s not much point reopening the debate (though I notice I’m not the only one occasionally nagging Guy for a hi res issue of DTRW). But where do you live? I’d love to play you different resolutions through my pretty high end system. I believe you will hear a difference! (I’m in Guildford, UK)

I live in France

I am open to your test, provided we agree on the methodology. It is too easy to compare two recordings that do not come from the same master in the first place. Some recordings labelled "high-res" do indeed sound better than CD, but that because they come from a remastered recording, not because they are high-res ! The only valid test is to play a "high-res" recording, sometimes with no restriction, sometimes with a 44.1/16 limitation loop, and ask which one is which on a number of trial A/B/C double blind test). If the number of right guesses is 50%, that mean you are actually guessing, so no audible difference ,:)

If you can accomodate that, no problem. Otherwise no point

Cheers

[hunter]

Listening to the Valencia recording now. I guess it's OK soundwise, but it is pretty lifeless as the vocals are completely dry (no reverb) and there is very little ambient sound. It works as a rough mix and as keepsake from the concert, but how nice it would be with a proper, official live recording. It's also a bit hard to listen to Mark's playing because you get it exactly as it is, warts and all. At the concert, things blend a lot, so the rough spots are not so noticeable. There are also tuning issues going on. Sometimes the flutes are not in tune, other times the guitars sound out of tune. Not a lot, but it is still bothering.

Listening to Telegraph now. Richard's solo at the intro is totally out of tune! This is outrageous for a production at this level.

you mean at 2:55 ? it's just a playing error

I mean the whole time.

[goon525]

Herlock, I agree there’s not much point reopening the debate (though I notice I’m not the only one occasionally nagging Guy for a hi res issue of DTRW). But where do you live? I’d love to play you different resolutions through my pretty high end system. I believe you will hear a difference! (I’m in Guildford, UK)

I live in France

I am open to your test, provided we agree on the methodology. It is too easy to compare two recordings that do not come from the same master in the first place. Some recordings labelled "high-res" do indeed sound better than CD, but that because they come from a remastered recording, not because they are high-res ! The only valid test is to play a "high-res" recording, sometimes with no restriction, sometimes with a 44.1/16 limitation loop, and ask which one is which on a number of trial A/B/C double blind test). If the number of right guesses is 50%, that mean you are actually guessing, so no audible difference ,:)

If you can accomodate that, no problem. Otherwise no point

Cheers

I have one or two classical recordings, by specialist Norwegian label 2L, which give the same performance at different resolutions. I agree with you that comparisons are often invalidated by different mastering etc. But the only difference with these is bits and maximum frequency. But are you ever going to be in Surrey?

[PensaGhost]

Listening to the Valencia recording now. I guess it's OK soundwise, but it is pretty lifeless as the vocals are completely dry (no reverb) and there is very little ambient sound. It works as a rough mix and as keepsake from the concert, but how nice it would be with a proper, official live recording. It's also a bit hard to listen to Mark's playing because you get it exactly as it is, warts and all. At the concert, things blend a lot, so the rough spots are not so noticeable. There are also tuning issues going on. Sometimes the flutes are not in tune, other times the guitars sound out of tune. Not a lot, but it is still bothering.

Listening to Telegraph now. Richard's solo at the intro is totally out of tune! This is outrageous for a production at this level.

you mean at 2:55 ? it's just a playing error

I mean the whole time.

yes the instrument is not 100% perfectly tuned but not out of tune either, at 2:55 it is accentuated by a playing error

[localhero1986]

Just found out the first Barcelona download is different from the download I’ve downloaded a few minutes ago...

[Markus]

They re-issued the Barcelona FLAC file, now 48khz, very good sound. (I bought it again)

First version: 706,6 MB
Second Version: 930,9 MB

[jonboy71]

They re-issued the Barcelona FLAC file, now 48khz, very good sound. (I bought it again)

First version: 706,6 MB
Second Version: 930,9 MB

You shouldn't have to buy it again.  They should refund your 2nd purchase.  This was their error, so it should be able to be downloaded by anyone who made the original purchase before the fixed the original files.