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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2022, 01:46:53 AM »
Finally, not an obituary ;D

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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2022, 08:27:10 AM »
old wine in a new bottle...
any Knopfler, Floyd or Dylan will do....

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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2022, 09:10:47 AM »
yes, boring and old matter.
You might get lucky, now and then

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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2022, 07:52:45 AM »
That's an amazing title for the documentary  :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2022, 07:34:43 PM »
One of those songs that give me nothing. Dull musically and irrelevant thematically – Mr M. is a great guitar builder and MK likes his guitars, and so what? There really was nothing else to put on the album instead? Or just make the album shorter! I just don't get MK's decisions sometimes.

Edit: Added "decisions".
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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2022, 10:52:57 PM »
One of those songs that give me nothing. Dull musically and irrelevant thematically – Mr M. is a great guitar builder and MK likes his guitars, and so what? There really was nothing else to put on the album instead? Or just make the album shorter! I just don't get MK's sometimes.

completely different taste here, I love the song
that romantic-cinematic mood, chords arrangements are superb imho
agree about lyrics though, it's not Mark's best effort obviously, but the music gives makes me fly evrytime I listen to it

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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2022, 11:06:14 PM »
For me, Monteleone is one of the most beautiful songs. Not every song has to be a poetry classic.
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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2022, 11:29:09 PM »
For me, Monteleone is one of the most beautiful songs. Not every song has to be a poetry classic.


Is there anything by MK you don't like?  ;D

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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2022, 12:20:18 AM »
Now we're talking about my preferences?  :disbelief

Yes. Some songs. For example: Badges ...
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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2022, 01:29:27 AM »
One of those songs that give me nothing. Dull musically and irrelevant thematically – Mr M. is a great guitar builder and MK likes his guitars, and so what? There really was nothing else to put on the album instead? Or just make the album shorter! I just don't get MK's decisions sometimes.

Edit: Added "decisions".

But you can say that about many songs, MK songs included. He's got a song about a quality shoe, a song about stew from the same album, not every song is going to be a story about two English astronomers and American history bundled in a 5-minutes song or a take on Shakespeare himself. The Beatles wrote a lot of pointless or simple stuff, but it's still interesting because everybody can find something in it.

I think the trouble with Monteleone is that you need to do some homework beforehand and know who John Monteleone is, why Mark wrote this song and how it was born, why somebody would make a guitar like this, it's a lot to ask from an average listener. But then again, you don't need to know anything about the Mason–Dixon line to enjoy Sailing To Philadelphia. So I don't know, really.

Mark doesn't know whether a song will be forgotten or will resonate with people. I don't think that Monteleone is the song that was buried under a huge weight of the rest of his songs, I think it's pretty important, especially since Mark, just like John, is such a craftsman himself, the only difference is John crafts instruments from wood, and Mark crafts his songs from words. It's an amazing take on his own work, I think.

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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2022, 01:37:01 AM »
One of those songs that give me nothing. Dull musically and irrelevant thematically – Mr M. is a great guitar builder and MK likes his guitars, and so what? There really was nothing else to put on the album instead? Or just make the album shorter! I just don't get MK's decisions sometimes.

Edit: Added "decisions".

But you can say that about many songs, MK songs included. He's got a song about a quality shoe, a song about stew from the same album, not every song is going to be a story about two English astronomers and American history bundled in a 5-minutes song or a take on Shakespeare himself. The Beatles wrote a lot of pointless or simple stuff, but it's still interesting because everybody can find something in it.

I think the trouble with Monteleone is that you need to do some homework beforehand and know who John Monteleone is, why Mark wrote this song and how it was born, why somebody would make a guitar like this, it's a lot to ask from an average listener. But then again, you don't need to know anything about the Mason–Dixon line to enjoy Sailing To Philadelphia. So I don't know, really.

Mark doesn't know whether a song will be forgotten or will resonate with people. I don't think that Monteleone is the song that was buried under a huge weight of the rest of his songs, I think it's pretty important, especially since Mark, just like John, is such a craftsman himself, the only difference is John crafts instruments from wood, and Mark crafts his songs from words. It's an amazing take on his own work, I think.

Beautifully written. :thumbsup
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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2022, 02:52:03 AM »
One of those songs that give me nothing. Dull musically and irrelevant thematically – Mr M. is a great guitar builder and MK likes his guitars, and so what? There really was nothing else to put on the album instead? Or just make the album shorter! I just don't get MK's decisions sometimes.

Edit: Added "decisions".

But you can say that about many songs, MK songs included. He's got a song about a quality shoe, a song about stew from the same album, not every song is going to be a story about two English astronomers and American history bundled in a 5-minutes song or a take on Shakespeare himself. The Beatles wrote a lot of pointless or simple stuff, but it's still interesting because everybody can find something in it.

I think the trouble with Monteleone is that you need to do some homework beforehand and know who John Monteleone is, why Mark wrote this song and how it was born, why somebody would make a guitar like this, it's a lot to ask from an average listener. But then again, you don't need to know anything about the Mason–Dixon line to enjoy Sailing To Philadelphia. So I don't know, really.

Mark doesn't know whether a song will be forgotten or will resonate with people. I don't think that Monteleone is the song that was buried under a huge weight of the rest of his songs, I think it's pretty important, especially since Mark, just like John, is such a craftsman himself, the only difference is John crafts instruments from wood, and Mark crafts his songs from words. It's an amazing take on his own work, I think.


I understand what you're saying, but Mark deals with a similar topic in Kill To Get Crimson, which I think is a much more interesting song.


As for researching to know the context of a song, that's normal, and not only for Mark's songs.

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Re: Mark on Monteleone
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2022, 02:53:11 AM »
Now we're talking about my preferences?  :disbelief

Yes. Some songs. For example: Badges ...


Just pulling your leg a little. You're a true fan  :thumbsup

 

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