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OfflineBrunno Nunes

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"Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« on: December 18, 2022, 01:11:12 PM »
At Rockpalast and every 1979 show, Mark always announces Lady Writer as follows:

Wel, "here's a beat group song now", what does he mean by beat group song? What is Lady Writer's relationship with Beat music, does anyone know?
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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2022, 03:27:10 PM »
I understand that the song has strong rhythm, a strong "beat", regarding the laidback from the others
 Am I wrong ?

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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2022, 10:27:26 AM »
When I think of a beat group I think of a 1960s British band like The Kinks for example.

Lady Writer sounds nothing like that to me!

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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2022, 10:39:27 AM »
Are we sure he says "beat group song" and not "big group song" tho? He also says "modern" beat song.

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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2022, 11:40:16 AM »
I have always listened to it as big group song too.

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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2022, 11:46:23 AM »
Mark also used to call Dire Straits a "rock n roll orchestra"  ;D

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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2022, 12:13:31 PM »
Just listened to Rockpalast, definitely says beat group to my ears.

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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2022, 07:17:27 PM »
I hear "Big" and I've always thought he meant the song was to be a successor to Sultans in a way : a big song of the group

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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2022, 07:52:23 PM »
I hear "beat group song" .
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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2022, 09:23:19 PM »
I hear beat group too

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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2022, 09:46:23 PM »
Interesting then. I think Mark meant that this song uses quite a lot of backing singing, almost like some of the songs from The Beatles, and other Beat groups of course. Also, some changes to minor chords like in the song "Do You Want to Know a Secret" are present, the song certainly has this 60s vibe, but not too much.

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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2022, 12:07:29 AM »
No, it's "beetroot song"  :P


Apart from Mark's fluid lead guitar, Lady Writer could actually easily be made to sound like for instance The Beatles' I Saw Her Standing There or Help. Allmusic.com describes beat music (or Merseybeat) as "Merseybeat was the original sound of the British Invasion -- a driving, melodic sound that was hybrid of American rock & roll and R&B, and British skiffle." I hear the similarities, but of course Mark put his own spin on things.

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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2022, 05:06:08 PM »
In this performance he says "Rock beat group.


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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2022, 12:04:53 PM »
It’s definitely beat group.

Big group makes no sense for one thing.
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Re: "Here's a beat group song now"- Lady Writer
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2022, 02:14:34 PM »
The defintion of "Dire Straits Rock-n-Roll-Orchestra" should be seen ironically in case of Mark´s humor. OK Lady Writer is a much shorter and uptempo-song, possibly in the tradition of the 1960s beat-songs.
His guitarplay is close to the olde The Shadows-sound of the Sixties. I´m of the opinion that Marks musically heroes are The Shadows, especially Hank Marvin. Lady writer is partially a little bit of "Shadows-like".  :think
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