That Ain't Workin' - My New Book

[Pottel]

I shared the info on web, FB, Insta, X, and even LinkedIn

I hope it will give you more orders

Thank you so much.

Hi Chris,

Knew about it thanks to JF post on both his blog and LinkedIn.
I ordered it today and I'm looking forward to receive it.
It's me who asked you to send it to a UK adress as my best friend is currently there.
Will save me the 10£ postage 

Greetings from Belgium

once a dutchy always a dutchy huh old friend....hiding in Belgium :-)
x

[Pottel]

I worked as a photographer for many years and when I buy books from other photographers at galleries, they often cost more. Chris does not have to justify any cost, to anyone.

To question the amount of time or money put into the production is missing the point, however “well intended”. He wasn’t working for an hourly rate, nor should he or other artists have to justify costs in that way. He can charge what he likes. It’s a unique book that someone will VALUE themselves, if they want it.

I’ve felt before that some people on this forum also view all of DS work more as “consumables” and perhaps don’t seem to view them as creative works, made by all the creatives involved.

Chris has been realistic and upfront on getting things shipped, which should be enough in itself. It’s unfair to focus in on his shipping costs and potentially bog him down in admin, over a few quid. All of which is frankly beneath him in my view. On the contrary, he has gone out of his way to help.

From an archival perspective, Chris’ images are also a valuable record of that time. Film can degrade over the years, hence I questioned Ed last year on whether he knew if the unused Alchemy footage was all accounted for, as I feel that it would be prudent to have it all scanned at least for archival purposes, even if not to be released, akin to how a photo agency or museum would archive historic pieces, to avoid further degradation. Black and white film tends to be more stable, though colour film dyes can fade over the years depending on storage conditions. So, well done Chris for being proactive and getting your work collated and archived. It must have been a lot of work but I’m sure rewarding to hold the printed book in your hands.

Archiving the images is priceless.

Very well done on a beautiful looking book and getting it realised.

well put. thnx

[Waldo]

I shared the info on web, FB, Insta, X, and even LinkedIn

I hope it will give you more orders

Thank you so much.

Hi Chris,

Knew about it thanks to JF post on both his blog and LinkedIn.
I ordered it today and I'm looking forward to receive it.
It's me who asked you to send it to a UK adress as my best friend is currently there.
Will save me the 10£ postage 

Greetings from Belgium

once a dutchy always a dutchy huh old friend....hiding in Belgium :-)
x

Dutch and Belgians are not the same.
Need to learn your geography, mate.

Anyway, why should I pay for postage if I can avoid ?
It's not like I'm robbing Chris of anything.
If I was "dutchy" I would not buy a 55£ book.

Also, why do you think I'm "hiding" in Belgium ?
It's my country.
Furthermore I'm from the

[ds1984]

hey how come many people are not tolerant here ?

once again, the right price for any product is the key to sell more and profit more,
I was trying to help Chris and also please more fans, that's all,
what's the problem ?

The "problem" is that you are not understanding psychology.

You may come with the best intention but the way you do it is inaccurate toward the people you try to explain your point.





 

[Jules]

Did I ever say that ? No

Well you are, because you are thinking the book cost £5 to £8 to print and then saying I should sell it for £27.50 and make less profit.
So let's be honest here...
You are completely discounting (to £0) the man hours it took to produce, the cost of software, capture One, Photoshop, (In Design £22 a month and this is the only reason I needed it), the film scanning equipment, macro lens, 24mb digital camera.
Even just the exclusive nature of the photographs, never previously published, no other photographers embedded on the tour.
And you went to all the trouble of phoning your local book store?
This isn't a commercially published book. I'm doing it myself, I'm signing every copy, packing it and posting it at various local post offices.

Did I tell you to sell for raw costs ? No.
At £27.5 you would get a 70-80% profit margin which is really very good for any seller or any product,
I also thought the main point was to get your nice photographs to as many fans as possible, so that everybody wins.

Re the bookskop, I obviously asked if I wanted to print my own book 100 pages A4 black and white what's the cost and that was the answer, so same case as yours. I guess you don't want to answer what's your cost and that's fine.

Again it's rude not consider at all Chris many hours of hard work, your way of consider this is like Chris had to do nothing but print and sell. Work has to be valued and has to be paid.

PERIOD.

[Chris W]

Very well done on a beautiful looking book and getting it realised.

Thank you. Very much appreciated!

[Chris W]

Anyway, why should I pay for postage if I can avoid ?
It's not like I'm robbing Chris of anything.

It's so much easier to post to the UK.
Yesterday I spent a long time kneeling on the floor of a convenience store filling out ten customs forms before posting to Europe.

[Chris W]

He's directing it at a very very niche market, of maybe die-hard Dire Straits fans who buy anything associated with the name. That's why the price is so high, and I would do the same, to be honest.

I'm not directing it at anyone specifically.
Most high end photography books are around £50. I own quite a few. I fully realise I'm not a professional photographer making great art. But I priced the book based on 1) the two year's work it took to produce and 2) the completely exclusive nature of the images. No photographer was on the tour. We had the odd local guy at a handful of shows, DS hired a top photographer for the shows that were filmed for 'ON The Night'.
No photographer was hanging out with the band, at the less glamorous venues etc.
Having a cache of images that NO ONE has ever seen before is a one off moment. Once they are published they are out there, that's why I put a higher value on the book.

[dustyvalentino]

Yesterday I spent a long time kneeling on the floor of a convenience store filling out ten customs forms before posting to Europe.

Rock and roll man.

You shoulda learned to play the guitar. You shoulda learned to play them drums.

[Chris W]

Ha, Ha.
 

[Pottel]

I shared the info on web, FB, Insta, X, and even LinkedIn

I hope it will give you more orders

Thank you so much.

Hi Chris,

Knew about it thanks to JF post on both his blog and LinkedIn.
I ordered it today and I'm looking forward to receive it.
It's me who asked you to send it to a UK adress as my best friend is currently there.
Will save me the 10£ postage 

Greetings from Belgium

once a dutchy always a dutchy huh old friend....hiding in Belgium :-)
x

Dutch and Belgians are not the same.
Need to learn your geography, mate.

Anyway, why should I pay for postage if I can avoid ?
It's not like I'm robbing Chris of anything.
If I was "dutchy" I would not buy a 55£ book.

Also, why do you think I'm "hiding" in Belgium ?
It's my country.
Furthermore I'm from the

waldo, just pulling a leg...

[Pottel]

Anyway, why should I pay for postage if I can avoid ?
It's not like I'm robbing Chris of anything.

It's so much easier to post to the UK.
Yesterday I spent a long time kneeling on the floor of a convenience store filling out ten customs forms before posting to Europe.

well we know who is to thank for that bureuacratic nightmare

[Pottel]

I shared the info on web, FB, Insta, X, and even LinkedIn

I hope it will give you more orders

Thank you so much.

Hi Chris,

Knew about it thanks to JF post on both his blog and LinkedIn.
I ordered it today and I'm looking forward to receive it.
It's me who asked you to send it to a UK adress as my best friend is currently there.
Will save me the 10£ postage 

Greetings from Belgium

once a dutchy always a dutchy huh old friend....hiding in Belgium :-)
x

Dutch and Belgians are not the same.
Need to learn your geography, mate.

Anyway, why should I pay for postage if I can avoid ?
It's not like I'm robbing Chris of anything.
If I was "dutchy" I would not buy a 55£ book.

Also, why do you think I'm "hiding" in Belgium ?
It's my country.
Furthermore I'm from the

waldo, just pulling a leg...

i now realise you are not the Waldo i know, that is actually dutch, lives in belgium and has a great sense of humor. so forget my comments. obviously you are someone totally different, new here. or to say it differently, je suis desolée little frenchie

[ds1984]

Anyway, why should I pay for postage if I can avoid ?
It's not like I'm robbing Chris of anything.

It's so much easier to post to the UK.
Yesterday I spent a long time kneeling on the floor of a convenience store filling out ten customs forms before posting to Europe.

Are you talking about CN22 ?
I though  you can do it online now and print it at home.

[Waldo]

I shared the info on web, FB, Insta, X, and even LinkedIn

I hope it will give you more orders

Thank you so much.

Hi Chris,

Knew about it thanks to JF post on both his blog and LinkedIn.
I ordered it today and I'm looking forward to receive it.
It's me who asked you to send it to a UK adress as my best friend is currently there.
Will save me the 10£ postage 

Greetings from Belgium

once a dutchy always a dutchy huh old friend....hiding in Belgium :-)
x

Dutch and Belgians are not the same.
Need to learn your geography, mate.

Anyway, why should I pay for postage if I can avoid ?
It's not like I'm robbing Chris of

i now realise you are not the Waldo i know, that is actually dutch, lives in belgium and has a great sense of humor. so forget my comments. obviously you are someone totally different, new here. or to say it differently, je suis desolée little frenchie

No worries, I do have a good sense of humor too.

I guess Waldo is often used.
In my case it's short for my last name.

Btw, I'm not frenchie either.
But I reckon my mother tongue is French.

Cheers !