A Modern Tribute to Dire Straits – AI Creates an Original Track with Knopfler’s

[JF]

I'm having fun with this, sharing it with you, it's at least an exercise of imagination. 😄

https://youtu.be/FLdb3K6Bmoc?si=ioCCwnuewPfrT7EL

I listenend to it entirely. 

It's a shame that all chords progressions have been changed.
it would have been a better idea to keep them like originals and change only orchestrations/arrangements

[Chris W]

No, they are not all agreeing, obviously. You are just reading the reports that come to the conclusion you want.

No I just googled 'AI impact on job's with no agenda of my own. Multiple results could have come back stating 'experts say AI will have little impact on employment' but that didn't happen.

[Chris W]

A drummer always would have work as there would be always people who would want a real drummer.

Firstly, we're not taking about industrial development, we are talking about art and creativity. Most artists (in all forms) struggle to survive until their art is discovered, appreciated and commercialised. If you vastly limit the commercialisation then most artists will stop creating because they can't feed themselves or pay rent etc. None of that is 'good'.
Secondly I am talking here from experience...
Yes, in the 80's when realistic sounding drum machines came along, the work available for drummers dropped off dramatically.
In the 2000's after software drummer tools came along, studio work for real drummers practically stopped. So we all switched to live work.
That's gonna impact your life and health. Travelling 11months of the year, living out of a suitcase, eating bad food etc. To keep costs down, most musicians now live and sleep on busses.
If real musicians are replaced by AI on all of the streaming platforms, how are these fake bands going to tour. There is no artist, there is no lead singer. They are a low cost product, so they don't need to play live today their bills.
This is a warning to music fans. If you want to see great music played by great musicians you need to financially support it.

[2manyguitars]

And of course the natural consequence of what Chris said is that the live music that does survive becomes ever more expensive for audiences....

[tomtom51]

No, the correct analogy in this case is the Tour de France looking to replacing riders with robots on bikes.
I'm surprised so many are excusing this. Tech people are looking to develop and perfect song creation, in this case in the style of MarkKnopfler, to replace future Mark Knopflers to save money, and a whole bunch of die hard Mark Knopfler fans are ok with it?

Well Chris, as a Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits fan for 37 years, I am light years away from being ok with it. It reminds me of what Jan Hammer said about his Miami Vice soundtrack : not his exact words, but he said he played every part, even when repetitive, as it sounded so much better for him. In the same fashion, there IMHO will never be any soul, meaning or real intention in Ai generated songs.

[Chris W]

The cost of concert tickets is outrageous IMO.

[dustyvalentino]

The cost of concert tickets is outrageous IMO.

I guess it depends who you are seeing. Fortunately for me most of the artists I want to see aren't hyped up and therefore prices are reasonable. Next up Lyle Lovett (and band!), £58, not bad.

By the way, I skimmed the 60s Brothers in Arms and it's, er, excellent/scary depending on your point of view! I think I might prefer the version of One World to the original...

[wayaman]

And of course the natural consequence of what Chris said is that the live music that does survive becomes ever more expensive for audiences....

Only big big names playing stadiums. I attended many great artists concerts by less than 60 euros.

But when you want to attend an ACDC, Oasis, Guns and roses and the likes, 100 is the cheapest price if you're lucky.

[dustyvalentino]

And of course the natural consequence of what Chris said is that the live music that does survive becomes ever more expensive for audiences....

Only big big names playing stadiums. I attended many great artists concerts by less than 60 euros.

But when you want to attend an ACDC, Oasis, Guns and roses and the likes, 100 is the cheapest price if you're lucky.

Seems like it's not really sustainable for these "big" acts either when they are milking it so much. A lot of hype and FOMO for Oasis but I've seen reports of empty seats for the other two who have both toured a LOT in recent years.

[JF]

By the way, I skimmed the 60s Brothers in Arms and it's, er, excellent/scary depending on your point of view! I think I might prefer the version of One World to the original...

I don't hear a cover or a "version" of the song here. It's a completely different song with other chords progression. The only same thing are the lyrics

I can see the interest in covering a song with different arrangements (instruments, tempo, even rhythm signature, etc...), but if you change all the music by another music, I don't get the point 

[dustyvalentino]

By the way, I skimmed the 60s Brothers in Arms and it's, er, excellent/scary depending on your point of view! I think I might prefer the version of One World to the original...

I don't hear a cover or a "version" of the song here. It's a completely different song with other chords progression. The only same thing are the lyrics

I can see the interest in covering a song with different arrangements (instruments, tempo, even rhythm signature, etc...), but if you change all the music by another music, I don't get the point 

Man's Too Strong is pretty close. You can make the argument that they need to change chords etc here and there to make it fit in with trends of the time.

[Eddie Fox]

When it comes to arts it gets more complex, yes, but at the end of the day there will always be real-life musicians and you will always have the freedom to choose to listen to them or some AI generated stuff.

Err, none of it is being marked 'AI'. So no, you have no idea what you are listening to.
My point here is that the music scene as a whole supports human artists, if you take away one important income stream then it is much harder for artists to survive. Again, I find it astonishing being labelled a luddite for supporting real musicians on a forum dedicated to Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler. The tech industry controls online. Online is where people now discover music. The tech industry is actively replacing human made music with AI generated music (behind your backs) because it means they never have to pay for the right to use the music - making them more money.

I agree with you 100%, mate. My point is it’s inevitable, there’s no stopping it. Today I listened to Sinatra singing a Greenday song through AI and I liked it more than the original… this is good use imho. But yeah, it’s a very complex topic, especially when you have no saying on it like myself or pretty much all of us here.

[dustyvalentino]

Glenn Campbell actually singing Good Riddance by Green Day is very good.

[JF]

By the way, I skimmed the 60s Brothers in Arms and it's, er, excellent/scary depending on your point of view! I think I might prefer the version of One World to the original...

I don't hear a cover or a "version" of the song here. It's a completely different song with other chords progression. The only same thing are the lyrics

I can see the interest in covering a song with different arrangements (instruments, tempo, even rhythm signature, etc...), but if you change all the music by another music, I don't get the point 

Man's Too Strong is pretty close. You can make the argument that they need to change chords etc here and there to make it fit in with trends of the time.

imho, I think that you can fit with trends of the time just with orchestrations, instruments, etc... no needs to change the chords progression

we all know plenty covers of songs that have been changed only by sounds/ arangements and keeping the original harmony

I think that it's the challenge : making a song sounding like from another era, just by playing it differently, but not by changing its chords structure

here I just hear same lyrics on differents musics

[Brunno Nunes]

By the way, I skimmed the 60s Brothers in Arms and it's, er, excellent/scary depending on your point of view! I think I might prefer the version of One World to the original...

I don't hear a cover or a "version" of the song here. It's a completely different song with other chords progression. The only same thing are the lyrics

I can see the interest in covering a song with different arrangements (instruments, tempo, even rhythm signature, etc...), but if you change all the music by another music, I don't get the point 

Man's Too Strong is pretty close. You can make the argument that they need to change chords etc here and there to make it fit in with trends of the time.

imho, I think that you can fit with trends of the time just with orchestrations, instruments, etc... no needs to change the chords progression

we all know plenty covers of songs that have been changed only by sounds/ arangements and keeping the original harmony

I think that it's the challenge : making a song sounding like from another era, just by playing it differently, but not by changing its chords structure

here I just hear same lyrics on differents musics

My perception of this is different. For me, in the case of the link I posted, the AI is basically emulating something that didn't happen, of course. But it's as if it's simulating a parallel reality, a reality where Dire Straits had emerged in the mid-to-late 1950s and recorded their fifth album, "BIA," sometime in the 1960s (the Cold War was in full swing, as was Vitnam...). So, it's much more an exercise in imagination toward the direction of a "parallel universe," than merely an attempt at a cover or a version. That's why the AI sounds this way here, trying to fit the album's sound into another time in the past. Anyway... the purpose is a joke, within this context, I like it, I think it's cool and curious, it stirs my imagination.