A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2019 Down The Road Wherever EU & NA tour => Topic started by: crimmer on October 28, 2021, 02:23:22 AM
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hello folks , hope you're all keeping well,
get the feeling excitement is building on this forum with the man in the studio , so got me in a reflective mood ,
so what was you're favourite concert from the last tour you attended ??, or listened too??
mine last tour RAH 2nd night, Manchester my too standouts playing wise i attended
enjoyed Barcelona ( the unknown set list for me ) at the time felt was it was the worst/slowest ( maybe not right word), id seen mark play live (but enjoyed it ) but meeting old friends after lis, Ingrid and few others after was great , enjoyed Newcastle for same reason meeting people ( even thought felt marks performance was better in leeds the night before
from recordings
> love Bordeaux sounds great drum mistake from ianto for 2nd song , mark soloing for whole of once upon a time in the west too,
> also think Milan is great concert too
any thoughts guys??, maybe the change in drumming in WAM, done with Bonaparte as tour went on etc etc
you're views on the the tour favourite moments etc
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Hi crimmer! I attended three concerts in 2019, Leeds, Newcastle and Verona. I enjoyed them all very much but of the three, Leeds and Verona were my favourites. At the time I felt that Newcastle was slightly better than Leeds, but after listening to the recordings, Leeds was definitely superior and MK was in fine form. The audience were great too! In retrospect, MKs voice sounded a bit croaky or, maybe, tired in Newcastle, but it was still a very good concert. It was lovely to meet friends from AMIT too!
It was wonderful going to Verona to see my hero at that spectacular venue and to meet so many people from this forum, some I had met before and others for the first time. It was a wonderful concert and the audience were very appreciative, especially singing oe,oe,oe after R&J - it was great! "On Every Street" was played in Verona and "Silvertown" in Leeds and Newcastle, so it was good to have heard both songs.
MK's guitar was out of tune at the beginning of "Your Latest Trick" in Verona, but Glenn changed it as MK continued singing - it was all done seamlessly.
After both Leeds and Newcastle concerts we ran to the stage when MFN started, but this wsn't possible at Verona, because of the orchestra pit being in front, so that was one of the things I missed.
After the Verona concert we went to an Irish bar with friends from AMIT - went to bed at around 1am zzzz! ;D
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It has to be Leeds for me Mr Crimmer... The evening was awesome, MK was in good form, meeting up with yourself, along with Ingrid, dmg, Mr & Mrs Superval and many, many others will remain in my memory for a very long time!
The highlight - has to be hearing Silvertown Blues played Live and soooooo well!!!
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It has to be Leeds for me Mr Crimmer... The evening was awesome, MK was in good form, meeting up with yourself, along with Ingrid, dmg, Mr & Mrs Superval and many, many others will remain in my memory for a very long time!
The highlight - has to be hearing Silvertown Blues played Live and soooooo well!!!
I'd echo that save for a mistake on his R&J solo, which was all too common in 2019. I'd have to add though that hearing MFN again was fantastic, especially as the atmosphere turned up a few notches.
Best show I've heard has to be Woodinville, 2nd night - best Speedway he ever played.
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For me Barcelona, as it was the first one, very fresh, despite the obvious mistakes, then Madrid that was the 3rd concert, still fresh but better played versions with less mistakes, then I'll go for Leeds, really a great performance and as the last one, Amsterdam, quite great show.
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Woodinville. Great playing. North America tour much better than Europe.
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It has to be Leeds for me Mr Crimmer... The evening was awesome, MK was in good form, meeting up with yourself, along with Ingrid, dmg, Mr & Mrs Superval and many, many others will remain in my memory for a very long time!
The highlight - has to be hearing Silvertown Blues played Live and soooooo well!!!
I'd echo that save for a mistake on his R&J solo, which was all too common in 2019. I'd have to add though that hearing MFN again was fantastic, especially as the atmosphere turned up a few notches.
Best show I've heard has to be Woodinville, 2nd night - best Speedway he ever played.
I'm not fussed about a mistake during R&J - I usually 'switch off' for that particular song! I re-awake during the outro ready for the rest of the show!!! ;D
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It has to be Leeds for me Mr Crimmer... The evening was awesome, MK was in good form, meeting up with yourself, along with Ingrid, dmg, Mr & Mrs Superval and many, many others will remain in my memory for a very long time!
The highlight - has to be hearing Silvertown Blues played Live and soooooo well!!!
I'd echo that save for a mistake on his R&J solo, which was all too common in 2019. I'd have to add though that hearing MFN again was fantastic, especially as the atmosphere turned up a few notches.
Best show I've heard has to be Woodinville, 2nd night - best Speedway he ever played.
I'm not fussed about a mistake during R&J - I usually 'switch off' for that particular song! I re-awake during the outro ready for the rest of the show!!! ;D
The fact is that it was such a minor mistake that most people wouldn't have noticed it.
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Best show I've heard has to be Woodinville, 2nd night - best Speedway he ever played.
Yes! This is the DTRW show I play the most, love it!
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It has to be Leeds for me Mr Crimmer... The evening was awesome, MK was in good form, meeting up with yourself, along with Ingrid, dmg, Mr & Mrs Superval and many, many others will remain in my memory for a very long time!
The highlight - has to be hearing Silvertown Blues played Live and soooooo well!!!
I'd echo that save for a mistake on his R&J solo, which was all too common in 2019. I'd have to add though that hearing MFN again was fantastic, especially as the atmosphere turned up a few notches.
Best show I've heard has to be Woodinville, 2nd night - best Speedway he ever played.
I'm not fussed about a mistake during R&J - I usually 'switch off' for that particular song! I re-awake during the outro ready for the rest of the show!!! ;D
The fact is that it was such a minor mistake that most people wouldn't have noticed it.
They were probably snoring too!!!!! ;D ;D
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It has to be Leeds for me Mr Crimmer... The evening was awesome, MK was in good form, meeting up with yourself, along with Ingrid, dmg, Mr & Mrs Superval and many, many others will remain in my memory for a very long time!
The highlight - has to be hearing Silvertown Blues played Live and soooooo well!!!
I'd echo that save for a mistake on his R&J solo, which was all too common in 2019. I'd have to add though that hearing MFN again was fantastic, especially as the atmosphere turned up a few notches.
Best show I've heard has to be Woodinville, 2nd night - best Speedway he ever played.
I'm not fussed about a mistake during R&J - I usually 'switch off' for that particular song! I re-awake during the outro ready for the rest of the show!!! ;D
The fact is that it was such a minor mistake that most people wouldn't have noticed it.
Listening to a lot of 2019 shows I've noticed there are probably more shows with mistakes than not in this solo, despite it being shortened from the previous tour. If he can't perform that solo after a good run of shows then he's having major problems playing.
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It has to be Leeds for me Mr Crimmer... The evening was awesome, MK was in good form, meeting up with yourself, along with Ingrid, dmg, Mr & Mrs Superval and many, many others will remain in my memory for a very long time!
The highlight - has to be hearing Silvertown Blues played Live and soooooo well!!!
I'd echo that save for a mistake on his R&J solo, which was all too common in 2019. I'd have to add though that hearing MFN again was fantastic, especially as the atmosphere turned up a few notches.
Best show I've heard has to be Woodinville, 2nd night - best Speedway he ever played.
I'm not fussed about a mistake during R&J - I usually 'switch off' for that particular song! I re-awake during the outro ready for the rest of the show!!! ;D
The fact is that it was such a minor mistake that most people wouldn't have noticed it.
Listening to a lot of 2019 shows I've noticed there are probably more shows with mistakes than not in this solo, despite it being shortened from the previous tour. If he can't perform that solo after a good run of shows then he's having major problems playing.
I was listening to the Manchester 2010 concert today, which I often do because it's one of my favourite concerts and R&J is so lovely from that concert, especially because there isn't any sax. Not that I have anything against sax on R&J, btw, but it reminded me of how nice it is without. Sorry, I'm rabbiting on....... ;D
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-Barcelona: the first one, quite a few mistakes, but perfect Silvertown Blues and quite a nice TR (albeit short), the last one I heard...
-Bordeaux: exceptional sound (very well equipped new venue), outstanding performance, very nice BIA
-RAH #2: almost perfect show, much better than previous night
-NYC Madison Gardens: the last ever ? Maybe not the very best, but superb, and Bonny Raitt outstanding first part makes it special
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Barcelona
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great hearing peoples views on the tour and favourite bits of the tour like alot of people r&j is my pee break and one of my least favourite knopfler songs along with walk of life , so just switch off
from these discussions ive purchased Woodinville 2nd night, agree with val love listening to manchester 2010 concert think it is a stong one wasnt lucky enough tobe at that one
shame the band dropped silvertown blues for on every street through the tour , would of been great to of kept it going throughout the tour
highlights for me song wise and arrangements for DTRW tour were....
WAM with horns thought was brillant
sailing to Sailing-Philadelphia thought was great with sax , guitar and flute at the end
once upon a time in the west superb arrangement great to hear again
matchstick man awesome arrangement
postcards got a great kick with horn section , getting latin salsa kind of vibe (best version of song ive heard through out the tours )
silvertown blues just great to hear
heart full of holes very beautiful song ( a bit like mighty man in 2015 tour
speedway i did love with horns at the end
money for nothing thought was superb
brothers great to hear flute intro again
only buts,
Knopflers health which made me abit upset seeing him look alot older and slower playing then previous tours, and realising he's getting on , imagine this band 10- 15 years ago ,
Romeo and juilet lol ha ha
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great hearing peoples views on the tour and favourite bits of the tour like alot of people r&j is my pee break and one of my least favourite knopfler songs along with walk of life , so just switch off
from these discussions ive purchased Woodinville 2nd night, agree with val love listening to manchester 2010 concert think it is a stong one wasnt lucky enough tobe at that one
shame the band dropped silvertown blues for on every street through the tour , would of been great to of kept it going throughout the tour
highlights for me song wise and arrangements for DTRW tour were....
WAM with horns thought was brillant
sailing to Sailing-Philadelphia thought was great with sax , guitar and flute at the end
once upon a time in the west superb arrangement great to hear again
matchstick man awesome arrangement
postcards got a great kick with horn section , getting latin salsa kind of vibe (best version of song ive heard through out the tours )
silvertown blues just great to hear
heart full of holes very beautiful song ( a bit like mighty man in 2015 tour
speedway i did love with horns at the end
money for nothing thought was superb
brothers great to hear flute intro again
only buts,
Knopflers health which made me abit upset seeing him look alot older and slower playing then previous tours, and realising he's getting on , imagine this band 10- 15 years ago ,
Romeo and juilet lol ha ha
Highly agree with the above apart from the blooming Horns - grrrrrrrrr ;)
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I only see one show per tour and my venue is the RAH. I saw the second night so thrilled to see that comes up as a favourite. I also remember reading on the thread for that show that many thought it was a good show.
As far as mistakes go, I reckon there’s different levels of mistakes.
-mistakes that everyone hears (MK starts the song in a different key etc-there’s some interesting vids of McCartney doing that).
-mistakes that serious MK fans (us) and probably experienced, trained musicians.
-mistakes that only the band hear. I remember Guy saying that they became better as musicians when they stopped trying to do perfect shows.
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I agree with Guy, I play guitar, but frankly, I couldn't care less about mistakes, if people are focusing on those type of things, then they can't be enjoying the show, what does it matter about a few mistakes in a 2 hour show? every musician makes mistakes playing live, we are all human, even when Mark was on fire in the 80's, he made mistakes, it really doesn't matter.
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Mistakes maybe but at least they are actually playing live, not every act is.
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Mistakes maybe but at least they are actually playing live, not every act is.
As a Guitar player also, mistakes/greenies come and go but never bother me personally, its shows the person is human and as MK has shown it takes skill to recover from a mistake.........Like qjamesfloyd has said mistakes come and go but why focus on them?
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Mistakes maybe but at least they are actually playing live, not every act is.
Very, Very true words indeed! :clap
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Mistakes maybe but at least they are actually playing live, not every act is.
As a Guitar player also, mistakes/greenies come and go but never bother me personally, its shows the person is human and as MK has shown it takes skill to recover from a mistake.........Like qjamesfloyd has said mistakes come and go but why focus on them?
Exactly. Plus mistakes make shows interesting for the band and for obsessed fan. Like Mark said in 2010 “sometimes my elbow hits my chair and it makes me play something different.”
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Mistakes maybe but at least they are actually playing live, not every act is.
As a Guitar player also, mistakes/greenies come and go but never bother me personally, its shows the person is human and as MK has shown it takes skill to recover from a mistake.........Like qjamesfloyd has said mistakes come and go but why focus on them?
Exactly. Plus mistakes make shied interesting for the band and for obsessed fan. Like Mark said in 2010 “sometimes my elbow hits my chair and it makes me play something different.”
I love that MK quote!!!
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I agree with Guy, I play guitar, but frankly, I couldn't care less about mistakes, if people are focusing on those type of things, then they can't be enjoying the show, what does it matter about a few mistakes in a 2 hour show? every musician makes mistakes playing live, we are all human, even when Mark was on fire in the 80's, he made mistakes, it really doesn't matter.
In the great scheme of things at the moment, no. However it can be really annoying and spoil what would otherwise be my favourite or good version of a song and that I would otherwise enjoy listening to. I don't often listen back to songs with noticeable mistakes on them. There are some very nice versions of songs blighted by an error and that bugs me. Maybe I'm a perfectionist or maybe I don't like to hear him make mistakes, but whatever it is it just spoils it for me personally.
Frankly I think it's shocking for Guy to think "they became better as musicians when they stopped trying to do perfect shows." Clearly they are on the downward slope so he is deluded.
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I agree with Guy, I play guitar, but frankly, I couldn't care less about mistakes, if people are focusing on those type of things, then they can't be enjoying the show, what does it matter about a few mistakes in a 2 hour show? every musician makes mistakes playing live, we are all human, even when Mark was on fire in the 80's, he made mistakes, it really doesn't matter.
In the great scheme of things at the moment, no. However it can be really annoying and spoil what would otherwise be your favourite version of a song. I don't often listen back to songs with noticeable mistakes on them. There are some very nice versions of songs blighted by an error and that bugs me. Maybe I'm a perfectionist or maybe I don't like to hear him make mistakes, but whatever it just spoils it for me.
I kind of get your reasoning dmg, but I look at it that MK is human and remember he is such a perfectionist that even when he does go wrong it doesn't seem to faze him - you can see the look in his eye when he 'gets out of jail' during a solo perhaps when he has gone wrong and the relief almost that he found the correct note at last! I find it both fascinating and incredible the recovery when he does bluff! A true master of his craft!!
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Frankly I think it's shocking for Guy to think "they became better as musicians when they stopped trying to do perfect shows." Clearly they are on the downward slope so he is deluded.
Personaly, I don't know what a perfect show is. The notion is different for every one.
If perfection is zero mistakes it doesn't necessary means that you are going to enjoy yourself. Improvisation is source of mistakes but it's improvisation that I'm expecting at a MK concert. Different solos, new ideas, etc...
Guy may claim that they stopped focusing on mistakes I'm sure that as professional musicians they are all trying their best and succeeding, it's what music is about.
So I disagree, they are growing old yes, and it shows on the case of Mark mainly but they are not going on the downward slope for flippancy or lack of interest, they're doing their job.
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I don't hear mistakes but I can feel the pain.
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I have to go for the one show I attended in 2019, which was Amsterdam. Probably my favorite of the 8 Mark Knopfler shows I have been to. I don't have many recordings from the tour unfortunately as you can not seem to pay with Paypal anymore to buy them. I don't have/want a credit card, so it will stay at the 7 shows I do have.
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I attended the show in Lisbon and I left very happy, but also with the realization that time had finally got up to our beloved Mark. He seemed so physically awkward, so slow, so out of shape... He even had trouble walking (remember the event in Cesena 2018). He still played a good show, however. Maybe it was just the first few shows of the tour, but it was a huge contrast to when I had seen him live for the last time, in 2010, full of energy.
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For me Barcelona was a top show even that I had a very Bad seat (thanks to official presale :-x ) telegraph Road was one of the best versions I have seen live. (Short and crisp solo :thumbsup :clap ) the best (concert) experience was RAH 1st night. Unfortunately I didnt get tickets for the second night.
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TR in Barcelona 2019 was not too bad, the end solo was ok, but way too short...
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TR in Barcelona 2019 was not too bad, the end solo was ok, but way too short...
I heard three TR on that tour (barcelona, Valencia and Madrid), and all of them were just ok, in fact, in one moment or the others, he seemed like having trouble with the final solo, so when he dropped it, it made sense to me.
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TR in Barcelona 2019 was not too bad, the end solo was ok, but way too short...
I heard three TR on that tour (barcelona, Valencia and Madrid), and all of them were just ok, in fact, in one moment or the others, he seemed like having trouble with the final solo, so when he dropped it, it made sense to me.
Yes, in retrospect it was a very bad idea to even contemplate playing TR in 2019. It sounded like a bad practice.
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TR in Barcelona 2019 was not too bad, the end solo was ok, but way too short...
I heard three TR on that tour (barcelona, Valencia and Madrid), and all of them were just ok, in fact, in one moment or the others, he seemed like having trouble with the final solo, so when he dropped it, it made sense to me.
Yes, in retrospect it was a very bad idea to even contemplate playing TR in 2019. It sounded like a bad practice.
Maybe he thought in the start that he might be able to play it properly and after some performances he decided that it was better to stop playing it...
In my opinion, for fans, the version they were playing wasn't bad, actually I found them ok, but not special. It's obvious than them, specially him, considered the version not to be good enough.